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  1. #15071
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeysHouse  [View Original Post]
    I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes.
    When you go to work does your boss pay you up front? That is the quickest way to get someone NOT to work. Shit I got my money now I can lazy the day away. When a person is looking forward to getting paid they will put forth more effort working toward that pot of gold.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Now the truth be told, in virtually every instance where I may have paid upfront (rarely), things have turned out fine and I've been quite satisfied with the outcome (not all of the time but virtually 100% of the time). But as you so adroitly note, the exact same thing can be said for paying afterwards! In other words, this all works the same both ways. At least it has for me. When I've paid afterwards (routinely), things typically have been fine and I've been satisfied with the outcome virtually all of the time, but not 100% of the time. Exact same result as on those rare occasions when I paid upfront! So why do people get all amped up over this subject then if outcomes typically are equivalent when paying for sexual services upfront versus afterwards (again this has been my personal experience)?
    You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen. Even at places like VM when you pay the money goes to the house, and the house holds the money and pays the girl after the workday is over. This way the girl sticks around. If not, the money would likely burn a hole in the girl's hand and she couldn't wait to get out of there to spend it.

  2. #15070

    Fantasy pimp league. Pretinha 3

    Fantasypimpleague.

    Jedi Patmarbeleza and soldier boy have a working girl wars idea. To be added, PM me.

    Sith Cartman attempts to stop us, weakly complaining impotently whining.

    Pictures not words vader you are grown pathetic and officious, get laid, and send pics not of your palm hahahahaha.
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  3. #15069

    Caveat Emptor!

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldierb11  [View Original Post]
    I've paid in advance and gotten bad service and I've paid in advance twice this trip and got fucked crazy porn style. I've paid after and gotten bad service before as well as paying after and getting great service. For me paying before or after isn't making much of a difference.

    And what's your play if you are a pay after guy and she was below average? Not pay her? Pay her less than the agreed on fee? Then what? She's immediately on the phone threatening to call the police, security, her pimp etc. Then just to avoid the attention of the police you pay her the agreed on fee to get the fuck out of your room and life.
    As a general rule, I don't like to pay upfront. It's the principle of the thing. I mean, in "real life" how often do we pay upfront for personal services? Services are to be satisfactorily rendered, and then the customer pays. So why should things necessarily be different when dealing with a tute? In my view, they shouldn't be. Not at all. But Soldier Boy, I must concur that you make and draw some very astute observations and conclusions that get to the very heart and practicality of the matter.

    Now the truth be told, in virtually every instance where I may have paid upfront (rarely), things have turned out fine and I've been quite satisfied with the outcome (not all of the time but virtually 100% of the time). But as you so adroitly note, the exact same thing can be said for paying afterwards! In other words, this all works the same both ways. At least it has for me. When I've paid afterwards (routinely), things typically have been fine and I've been satisfied with the outcome virtually all of the time, but not 100% of the time. Exact same result as on those rare occasions when I paid upfront! So why do people get all amped up over this subject then if outcomes typically are equivalent when paying for sexual services upfront versus afterwards (again this has been my personal experience)?

    Well, because there's always that ingrained resistance to paying for most anything upfront. From a haircut to some cunny! You see, most of us have been taught from a very early age about "caveat emptor". Let the buyer beware being ripped off and burned by foolishly parting with his cash to acquire something, whatever it is! So, that resistance impulse to paying upfront for goods and services is nurtured into us when very young and becomes a "natural" part of who we are as human beings and consumers over time. And with good reason too I might add. After all, there are far too many crooked people in this world. So, even if things are more likely than not to turn out fine when making a "transaction", why take unreasonable chances that expose you to getting little or nothing for your money? Right? Save that for playing the lottery LOL!

    I guess what I'm saying is that I see where you're coming from, and what you say holds much logical and practical validity. But I see the other side of this debate too, which also holds water. As I tend to be less trusting of people (they've given me plenty of reason over the years not to trust), I still will always prefer not to pay upfront, and will stick to not doing that as much as possible. Regardless, you are an analytical and thoughtful man Soldier Boy who is capable of grasping and acknowledging the reality and practicality of the facts as they present themselves. Soldier on with your good reporting!

  4. #15068
    For the Capt sav-a- hos.

    No matter what you say, it's understood that you pay after. If she doesn't want to work, next. Go find another one. When I am in Rio, or Colombia, or Asia, I always pay after. And yes, when the girl reneges on the deal, I have held back some money. I had one girl in Rio back 2007 or 08, that I knew for at least a year. She had always been around but I never took her. One night we went out for drinks. Then we agreed to all night and sex in the morning before she leaves. We went drinking and all that jazz. Got back and had decent sex. She woke up a few hours later, must have been about 8 am and she HAD to leave. Yeah right. I said I need my morning sex, that's why you stayed here overnight. She said she had to go. OK. Here is 100 reals. Bye bye. Oh no, its 200! No, now its 100. You owe me another fuck. You agreed to sex at night and in the morning before going home. She says, that she will come back in a few hours. OK. Go and come back. When you come back and give me some more sex, I will give you another 100 R. She was all pissed (because she couldn't get over on me), but she got the hell out.

    Funny thing after that. She calls me after 2 days asking for 100 R. Sure come give me another round like you promised me and I will give it to you.

    Few more days pass and I see her at Meia Pataca, and she is acting all pissy and talking shit with her friends. I told a few of her friends, who I also knew from previous visits, what happened. They agreed with me. Why, because they about me and whole bunch of my other buddies. They knew that I have never had a problem and would always take care of the girls. Plus it was obvious knew that the girl in question was WRONG.

    When you run into this crap, you have 3 choices. You can pay up front (maybe you will get lucky), show her the money, or show her the door.

    IMO, Showing her the funds is the best alternative if you want (or need) to fuck right now. Then if she is not cool with that, then she is leaving with only taxi money.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeysHouse  [View Original Post]
    I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes. The first time I didn't pay up front the girl got pissed and thought I didn't have it. We then compromised and I pulled the money out and set it on the dresser to take "after" sex. I would say in Rio only 1-2 girls out of 10 ask for it anyways. And when this has happened and I've given them the money they are very happy to see that wad that's more than most make in a month. When I have paid up front the experience has been kick ass. The last girl I was with in Colombia was on par with a supermodel and one of the best all time lays ever (see last field report). She asked for the money up front. I paid her for 2 hours -she stayed for 4 hours and fucked my brains out and would of stayed the night but I wanted to sleep and kicked her out. Do you think that would of happened if I said "no"? Well with me probably because I'm ridiculously good looking. So unfair question but you get my drift. I think many times the experience you actually have comes down to the chemistry and attraction that is created regardless of when you pay. Think about it. Your a hooker and walk in and see some old fart out of shape safado who has zero charisma or charm. Your going to want the money up front too so at least you can feel happy about something before you let that Viejo stick it in you! I think ultimately one should make a judgment call. Feel her out first. If she asks then make the call. Like my man says here. "What are you going to do -short change her for performance and then let her make a scene and call the cops"? Will her performance "really improve" by holding back? If she doesn't like you it won't matter and she will be out of there in 59 minutes anyways.

  5. #15067
    She was the first girl after all these years that squirted upon orgasm while I was licking her pussy, which is a new sensation!

    Soldierb11 and I mongered over to Solarium after hanging at Leme beach yesterday with local wingmen; got two numbers out of 4 attempts; the force is strong.

    Solarium generally sucks in performance though. Last year I banged Brenda, my only terma girl in the whole year of 2015 that I went upstairs with, and she turned out to be pretty bad in performance after maybe one good session in the terma; another loira with huge double the tits from Solarium was about the most boring bang at the apartment, though watching her walk around naked was nice scenery.

    Went over to Bloco in Ipanema afterwards with a local wingman, nice to see carioca couples together after 13 years, and what real 33 year olds do, IE hook up with real 31 year old non pros with banging bodies; blocs are great fun, and the whole city is in a party atmosphere. Even at the pool in the apartment, everyone is pretty happy.

    Sith Jedi Cartman fighting an injection of Zika from Princess Kamila sits in his copacabana deck, alone, writing constitutions while Obi Wan leads the rebels to climax!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricker  [View Original Post]
    Very nice Patmar!

    Thanks for the photos!

    Bom trabalho!

  6. #15066

    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldierb11  [View Original Post]
    I've said that to many guys in Colombia before but now I think more about it I am starting to change my mind. Sure I prefer to pay after but I don't sweat it now. This is a trip to Brasil for me not a Brasilian vacation. The difference is I'm not here for 7 days and then going back to the States to work. 90% of my life is a vacation. Last 6 months I've taken two trips to Thailand / Philippines, 2 to Brasil and 6 to Colombia. So if I have a bad session or two because I paid up front it's not a big deal like it is for some guy here for a week and then 6 months back in sexual purgatory.

    I've paid in advance and gotten bad service and I've paid in advance twice this trip and got fucked crazy porn style. I've paid after and gotten bad service before as well as paying after and getting great service. For me paying before or after isn't making much of a difference.

    And what's your play if you are a pay after guy and she was below average? Not pay her? Pay her less than the agreed on fee? Then what? She's immediately on the phone threatening to call the police, security, her pimp etc. Then just to avoid the attention of the police you pay her the agreed on fee to get the fuck out of your room and life.
    I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes. The first time I didn't pay up front the girl got pissed and thought I didn't have it. We then compromised and I pulled the money out and set it on the dresser to take "after" sex. I would say in Rio only 1-2 girls out of 10 ask for it anyways. And when this has happened and I've given them the money they are very happy to see that wad that's more than most make in a month. When I have paid up front the experience has been kick ass. The last girl I was with in Colombia was on par with a supermodel and one of the best all time lays ever (see last field report). She asked for the money up front. I paid her for 2 hours -she stayed for 4 hours and fucked my brains out and would of stayed the night but I wanted to sleep and kicked her out. Do you think that would of happened if I said "no"? Well with me probably because I'm ridiculously good looking. So unfair question but you get my drift. I think many times the experience you actually have comes down to the chemistry and attraction that is created regardless of when you pay. Think about it. Your a hooker and walk in and see some old fart out of shape safado who has zero charisma or charm. Your going to want the money up front too so at least you can feel happy about something before you let that Viejo stick it in you! I think ultimately one should make a judgment call. Feel her out first. If she asks then make the call. Like my man says here. "What are you going to do -short change her for performance and then let her make a scene and call the cops"? Will her performance "really improve" by holding back? If she doesn't like you it won't matter and she will be out of there in 59 minutes anyways.

  7. #15065
    Quote Originally Posted by PatmarBeleza1  [View Original Post]
    Pretinha, pictures 2 of 3.
    Very nice Patmar!

    Thanks for the photos!

    Bom trabalho!

  8. #15064
    The more I read on this forum the more I understand when friends tell me better not to share too much detailed info on this forum.

  9. #15063
    Hey guys, yall don't know me yet, but I've been lurking on these boards doing research for my upcoming Brazil experience. I'll be there 3/2-3/23. I'm not new to ISG, as you can see from my post count. I'm also active on the Argentina boards under a similar user nm.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99  [View Original Post]
    Spent 3 weeks in Rio in January. Alicia, blonde, 21, very pretty, slim, flat hard stomach, perfect small be tits, small squeezable ass.
    I'm jealous soooo bad! Great catch, my friend hehe.

    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartman  [View Original Post]
    Which brings me back to this: when people say "Hey fuck you, Cartman, I'll pay what I want (or how I want)" I wrote this post with some helpful info in it (at least I think) to at least stay true to the goal. On that note, some final context: the minimum wage in Brazil in 2016 is BRL 880 per month.
    Yes sir, its MY hot body, and I'll do what I want. Which is to listen to your sage advice good sir. As somebody who has yet to go to Brazil, thank you so much for that post. You help to clear the path for your brothers behind you.

    Quote Originally Posted by PipeLayer99  [View Original Post]
    I was telling him I only pay 150 to 200 max for all night. And I showed him and introduced him to a few of the girls that I already had for that price. He just didn't care because he was on vacation for a week. Whats worse, he claimed that he negotiates contracts for work on a daily basis! So I don't really understand WTF was wrong with him other than the fact that he probably can't get ass back home.
    From my observations there are a number of inter-related factors behind this. Its not complicated, but it is complex.

    So I have a question for my forum brothers. Is there anywhere else worth going to other than Rio, or should I just spend my entire 3 week stay on Ipanema? Outside of sexin' in the bedroomz wif strange wimmin, I want to surf, yoga, and indulge café culture on the beach. The other amazing experiences Brazil has to offer are probably better enjoyed with company, if I can find someone to share long term time with. What other places have sex, surf, yoga, and restaurant culture? Should I even bother with anywhere else? Help!

  10. #15062
    Quote Originally Posted by Sperto  [View Original Post]
    After today propably no priv will open before earliest Wednesday at noon. Wednesday will be a bad priv-day. Many girls will be missing work and many mongers will visit the prives to get laid.
    The coming days are perfect days going for regular girls.

    P.S Don't miss the largest bloco in centro tomorrow, Bola Preta. About one million people partying, dancing, drinking, pissing, pushing and fighting in the streets. Leave nothing in your pockets. Put everything inside your underwear and you'll be fine.

    P.P.S Be careful on the buses when sitting next to the windows. I've seen several robberies lately. When the bus stops at a red light a guy jumps up to the bus windows and snatches bags and phones.

    P.P.S My guess about this years Carnival hit is Metralhadora:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCoZGsod0c8

    Happy Carnival to everybody!
    Hell yeah-there are so many girls at bloccos everyone will have a chance.

  11. #15061
    Quote Originally Posted by Balboa  [View Original Post]
    Hey amigos,

    Nnew to the Forum but not to the game.

    Hit VM the other night, I believe it was a Tuesday.

    I've grown fond of the place, though it's certainly not for everyone.

    I've made my share of friendships with some girls there, over time, as well.

    The usual fare of garotas, from butt fugly to pretty damn hot, with the majority of the girls somewhere in between.

    The point of this post is actually a heads up to guys.

    While in a room with a garota the other night, a cute one I've never seen before, I caught her trying to rifle through my belongings to rob me.

    I called her out on it, she denied it, though I caught her red handed.

    Funny though, I was pretty horny and she was hot, so I still did the deal. Afterwards though, I badgered her to she finally admitted of her attempted thievery, and then she cried.

    And begged me not to tell the dude in charge of her little bar area.

    Keep alert guys, I know it's obvious to say, but they can be tricky in their thievery.
    Yes I've stated this before! I know a couple of thieves amongst the gdps there-I will get names.

    I keep my shorts around my ankles-don't take everything off! This is VM. Someone can pop in and snatch shit-some of the doors have no lock left! LOL.

    I had to get an Iphone 6 back for a norwegian tourist friend who was careless. It cost 100 reais in the end. Down from 1000. Shit got very heavy but its been worse there! Still love it-always have more joy on the righ side of the front line road as opposed to the alleyways.

  12. #15060

    Well done

    You are right on the mark!

    Thanks for sharing. I wish hundreds of other guys would pay attention. Life would be better for all of us fuckers.

    I remember this one guy I met in Rio (back in 2008) who was paying 400 reals for TLN. I was telling him I only pay 150 to 200 max for all night. And I showed him and introduced him to a few of the girls that I already had for that price. He just didn't care because he was on vacation for a week. Whats worse, he claimed that he negotiates contracts for work on a daily basis! So I don't really understand WTF was wrong with him other than the fact that he probably can't get ass back home.

    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartman  [View Original Post]
    ...
    Again, I know people just don't care. It's my analogy below about the guys who leave the lights and AC on in our conference rooms, because they don't have to pay the company's electric bill. They are selfish pricks who don't give a shit, and then whine if they can't get more free cookies in the break room or that 20% raise, when the company's budget can't handle it. Or it's the guy who pisses in the pool and gets out -- a nice warm experience for him, but not so great for the other swimmers and / or the next guy who dives in.
    But I try to offer helpful advice here (don't pay up front, don't pay more than BRL $300-$500 for an escort unless she's doing bareback anal and making you breakfast at the same time, etc). I'm not saying only pay BRL 70 for girls you pull out of VM. I'm trying to orient you to the market and not overpay -- you're certainly welcome to pay less.
    I do so in the sense of helping others. When you overpay or pay up front, you are not helping others. You are not helping your brothers in arms on this board. You are helping (at best) only yourself.
    I wrote this post with some helpful info in it (at least I think) to at least stay true to the goal. On that note, some final context: the minimum wage in Brazil in 2016 is BRL 880 per month. Brazil is literally in its worst economic downturn in years ....
    -Cartman.

  13. #15059
    After today propably no privê will open before earliest Wednesday at noon. Wednesday will be a bad privê-day. Many girls will be missing work and many mongers will visit the privées to get laid.
    The coming days are perfect days going for regular girls.

    P.S Don't miss the largest bloco in centro tomorrow, Bola Preta. About one million people partying, dancing, drinking, pissing, pushing and fighting in the streets. Leave nothing in your pockets. Put everything inside your underwear and you'll be fine.

    P.P.S Be careful on the buses when sitting next to the windows. I've seen several robberies lately. When the bus stops at a red light a guy jumps up to the bus windows and snatches bags and phones.

    P.P.S My guess about this years Carnival hit is Metralhadora:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCoZGsod0c8

    Happy Carnival to everybody!

  14. #15058
    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartman  [View Original Post]
    For those not familiar with What'sApp groups (particularly people in the USA and Europe or Asia where it's not as popular as Brazil), it is an Instant Messaging smartphone app that *everyone* in Brazil uses for messaging.

    For the past 3-4 years, what's app consistently has been in the top 4 most-downloaded apps in Brazil. Only recently (like last 3+ months) has Snapchat even cracked the Top 10. So these girls all join What'sApp chat groups that have hundreds of GDP members where they trade stories about clients, silly stuff like dick pics, GIFs, etc.


    Again, I know people don't care. I debated with myself about 30 minutes about writing this. This is my last word on the subject, as arguing with folks on the internet is about as worthwhile as trying to get Trump to give up the comb-over. "Your reasoned argument and clever Facebook posts have convinced me to change my opinion" -- said nobody on the internet *ever.*

    -Cartman.
    WhatsApp is one of the best apps every created. I use it with friends at home and GDP abroad. All the girls use it. I even noticed they all used it on a recent trip to Amsterdam. All the window girls were communicating. Anyways, thanks to guys like Cartman who have the local knowledge we all wish we had and are willing to share. I will be down next month but won't make it to Rio. I would love to meet you guys one day. Either way you look at it, this site is incredibly valuable. Keep up the good work gents.

  15. #15057

    Pretinha, pictures 2 of 3

    Pretinha, pictures 2 of 3.
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