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[B J Lover]

Guys, I am considering a trip to Rio in May and June of next year. According to weather reports it is a bit cool that time of the year. The temperature itself does not bother me but I am worried about possible lack of talent or harder to find good talent in the "low season". Any plusses and minuses of going that time of the year? I am planning 10 days in Rio and 10 days or so further north towards Fortaleza. I would imagine Northeast Brazil is nice that time of the year.

Thank you.

I went memorial day week 2009 - beaches hot and talent incredible. Especially Thursday before Memorial Day - club packed.

[Bubba Boy]

The air marshalls are not judge, jury and executioner. The federal judge was perfectly within his rights to ask for an investigation. The Marshalls have no legal power to arrest a passenger in Brazilian territory as a Brazilian agent would have no right to arrest an American in the USA.

The marshalls would have had top level consular support, so why flee? What bothers me is that the escape plan was ready and executed very smoothly.

The first part of your argument is not correct. They did not arrest the person in Brazilian Territory. They arrested her in International Airspace on an American plane, this falls under American law until the plane lands. Upon landing they then turned her over to the Federal Brazilian Police upon arrival. This is standard legal procedure as per the various legal treaties that Brazil has signed. According to the various news articles that reported the happenings, the marshalls followed legal procedure to the letter. Whether you agree with Marshalls or not is not really relevant to this argument.

As to why they chose to leave the country? . Brazil has proven time and time again that they do not have a fair and just legal system. I would do the same thing if I was in the same situation. Luckily the Brazilian legal/immigration system is so inffecient it would be easy to flee the country without a problem. Nobody would want to stick around because Brazil does not respect international laws. Even if you ask your average Brazilian, they are embarassed by their corrupt legal system and scared of their own police.


Look up the David Goldman case, pure example of how a Brazilian with influence can make their own laws.

[Perkele]

The air marshalls are not judge, jury and executioner. The federal judge was perfectly within his rights to ask for an investigation. The Marshalls have no legal power to arrest a passenger in Brazilian territory as a Brazilian agent would have no right to arrest an American in the USA.

The marshalls would have had top level consular support, so why flee? What bothers me is that the escape plan was ready and executed very smoothly.

Does it now.

Question, since when the americans have assumed their position when clearly wrong????

Honestly....

[Beach Star]

According to various news reports the aircrew asked the marshalls to intervene. According to the article 2 different sources confirmed the arrested lady "bit" one of the marshalls. I really can't see what your point is?

Please also explain the merits of a legal system which arrests 2 airmarshalls in this instance?

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-21/w...es?_s=PM:WORLD

The air marshalls are not judge, jury and executioner. The federal judge was perfectly within his rights to ask for an investigation. The Marshalls have no legal power to arrest a passenger in Brazilian territory as a Brazilian agent would have no right to arrest an American in the USA.

The marshalls would have had top level consular support, so why flee? What bothers me is that the escape plan was ready and executed very smoothly.

[Golfinho]

I spoke to a stewardess recently and she told me that air crews get extra passports valid for one only year so that they can have one passport to travel while the other one is out getting visas.

The 'extra passports' have a 2-year validity. at least mine does.

[MS Clive]

According to various news reports the aircrew asked the marshalls to intervene. According to the article 2 different sources confirmed the arrested lady "bit" one of the marshalls. I really can't see what your point is?

Please also explain the merits of a legal system which arrests 2 airmarshalls in this instance?

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-21/w...es?_s=PM:WORLD

Bubba Boy, Do not pay attention to all these mongrels.

And yes, I do agree that the air marshals were wronged. They will have no problems getting new passports once back in the US. Focus man, focus. Need to refocus on getting the updated version of your esteemed guide. Waiting eagerly for it. Leave these unimportant matters to us mortals.

[Bubba Boy]

Nonsense. The Tokyo convention of 1963 consolidated the rights of airplane commanders, not modern day anti-terrorism air marshals. As I sald before this delinquency on board, IF, it existed, should have been left to the crew to resolve. The crew also has extensive training in dealing with such situations. You have assumed the woman was guilty,just because she is the wife of a judge, which was not proved. If the marshals were so sure of themselves why run so fast when questioned?? The only illegal thing here.crystal clear, seems to be the air marshals exit from Brazil.

According to various news reports the aircrew asked the marshalls to intervene. According to the article 2 different sources confirmed the arrested lady "bit" one of the marshalls. I really can't see what your point is?

Please also explain the merits of a legal system which arrests 2 airmarshalls in this instance?

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-21/w...es?_s=PM:WORLD

[Beach Star]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Well actually it is the air marshalls responsibility to act against basically any act that can endanger the safety of a flight according to the "Tokyo convention", of which Brazil has signed. The lady was intoxicated and out of control, biting one of the marshalls, hence deserved to be arrested. If you or I did this, we would surely be arrested and would deserve to be.

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Nonsense. The Tokyo convention of 1963 consolidated the rights of airplane commanders, not modern day anti-terrorism air marshals. As I sald before this delinquency on board, IF, it existed, should have been left to the crew to resolve. The crew also has extensive training in dealing with such situations. You have assumed the woman was guilty,just because she is the wife of a judge, which was not proved. If the marshals were so sure of themselves why run so fast when questioned?? The only illegal thing here.crystal clear, seems to be the air marshals exit from Brazil.

[Bubba Boy]

Has anyone taken an interstate bus out of Foz? I have a question, is there a border or customs check on the highway out of Foz?

The reason I ask is that by Air they basically scan your luggage upon entering the departure area of the airport for people with more than their $300 allowable duty free allowance. They are getting more and more thorough with their searches now, kind of really getting to be a pain in the ass. The airline staff also check you passport for a valid visa stamp, actually they only check to see if you have the entry paper stamped. Hence I was wondering that a bus may be a better option for my twice yearly shopping trip to the border area. However was wondering if there is a check on the highway as well to check the buses going north? I was thinking maybe catch a bus to Curitiba and then air to Rio if there is a less intrusive border check via road.

[Sperto]

Next month I will be travelling through Rodoviária Novo Rio on my way from Paraty to Copacabana. At this bus station I will transfer from the Paraty bus to bus #126 bound for Copa. I will arrive at this transfer point around 9PM. How safe is this area after dark? I will be carrying a few things (e.g backpack with camera) that might attract thieves. Would it be wiser to take a cab to Copa?

Instead of a taxi you can take the frescão, Real Bus, just outside the rodoviária.
The regular city bus might not be safe that late in the evening, considering you are carrying luggage.

[RexG]

Next month I will be travelling through Rodoviária Novo Rio on my way from Paraty to Copacabana. At this bus station I will transfer from the Paraty bus to bus #126 bound for Copa. I will arrive at this transfer point around 9PM. How safe is this area after dark? I will be carrying a few things (e.g backpack with camera) that might attract thieves. Would it be wiser to take a cab to Copa?

[Vitrea]

Guys, I am considering a trip to Rio in May and June of next year. According to weather reports it is a bit cool that time of the year. The temperature itself does not bother me but I am worried about possible lack of talent or harder to find good talent in the "low season". Any plusses and minuses of going that time of the year? I am planning 10 days in Rio and 10 days or so further north towards Fortaleza. I would imagine Northeast Brazil is nice that time of the year.

Thank you.

[Edward M]

I spoke to a stewardess recently and she told me that air crews get extra passports valid for one only year so that they can have one passport to travel while the other one is out getting visas.

[Gfe Finder]

more likely they just used a nexus or sentri identification card which is a valid alternative travel document.

only at the us borders with canada and mexico, respectively. i'm betting on the alternate travel documents being a temporary passport. the reason that i don't think that they used personal or diplomatic/official passports as rock harders suggests is that you still need a visa and to exit, you need the receipt with an entry stamp and your passport information in it (which would obviously have to match what is in this case a confirep001ed passport.)

[Perkele]

Yes they are probably well trained, but there are numerous examples of security officials in the US abusing their authority. Just do a google search with the keywords "don't tase me Bro". Even a simple verbal remark can put you in deep trouble with these people.
I go the USA as little as I can. I do not feel secure there, not because of criminals, but because of the excessive powers and frequent abuse of security officials.
Passing the immigration controls or passing any airport security check in the USA is a very unpleasant experience.

The US citizens are simply too sensitive. As we all know: Anything you say can and WILL be used against you.

USA is worth only for shopping.