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[Mr Enternational]

Create all the bullshit scenarios you want, if that make you feel better. The actual data on the subject, says otherwise.

57% of Brazilians are Black or mixed, but they make up 80% of the people killed by police.

Yet to see this "vast majority" data you've crooked up, to go alone with the "bunch of random Black dudes. ".

What does one have to do with the other? Maybe they do 80% of the fucking up. The only thing being a certain percentage of the population means is that you are a certain percentage of the population; nothing else!

Black people are 13% of the population of the USA. The NBA is 74% Black people. What does that say about anything? Black people spend more time in basketball gyms practicing than Whites, Hispanics, and Asians? The NBA is racist because how could 13% of the population be 74% of the employees at a company except for racism? What does it mean oh wise one?

[Spidy]

May I suggest we stopped being outraged about racism in Brazil?

Yes, there is racism in Brazil.

But if anything, it appears to me there is less racism in Brazil -- not more, than here up North. I mean, 6 years ago I wouldn't have been so sure, but oh well...

Hmmmmmmmm........respectfully, No!

It's NOT going to HAPPEN!

Nice suggestion though and I did give it some thought, but I'm going to have to give it a HARD pass, on your notion.

Outrage? ...No more so than I could stop being incensed and outraged, by the injustice of the targeted attacks of war on the Ukraine, by Russia.

Or for that matter, whatever or wherever, police brutality, racist, discriminatory attacks and/or killings are being exacted upon a targeted group of people, albeit in the flipping "The Congo" (if that just so happens to be a place I monger).

If reputable news and journalists, report news worthy stories, that reflect the places, we hobby in, then I for one, WILL CONTINUE to report said information, as it may (or may not) impact hobbying decisions, preconceived beliefs, concepts or ideas w/r to said destination, thereby making it of use to some members who value multiple socio-economic-political points of views, into the community, culture, society and governing policies of said mongering destination.

What I can tell you is this, that I will endeavour to post in the more appropriate threads. But I'm only human and so prone to occasional slippage from time to time.

Look, police brutality is just one example. It could be "underwater basket weaving" for all I care. I encourage BMs to post ("appropriately") anything news worthy or entertainingly appropriate.

News reports/articles they deem relevant for their intended audiences, as naturally, such things will be liked, disliked, scrutinized, criticized, judged, held up for ridicule, or championed. Such is the nature of our ISG forum.

Don't like it, as always I suggest respectfully, please feel free to IGNORE the "appropriately placed outrages".

[Xpartan]

Yes, there is racism in Brazil.

But if anything, it appears to me there is less racism in Brazil -- not more, than here up North. I mean, 6 years ago I wouldn't have been so sure, but oh well.

Anyway, this is my impression after 20 years of traveling to Brazil, but what do I know?

I know, not a laughing matter, but here is a great Porta dos Fundos clip on the topic.

https://youtu.be/pwTLLNkbv0k

[The Cane]

I've never been robbed in Brazil, but I witnesses many robberies, I can't recall I've seen more than a few lightskinned perpetrators. It could be because the light skinned perpetrators do other types of crimes. Crimes that doesn't end up in shooting when they get caught. The crime gangs in the favelas are mostly made up of darker guys.

Yes, crimes of corruption and bribery and often involving nepotism that rob the country of its resources and its citizens of all colors of having any opportunity or hope. Some of them ought to shot. After all, a lot of them are the same ones ordering that those in the favelas be.

[Sperto]

Half of the Brazilian population have darker skin colour. They make up 62% of the prison population and 78% of those killed by Brazilian police. Considering they make up the majority of the criminals it's not surprising they are also in the majority of those being killed by police.

I've never been robbed in Brazil, but I witnesses many robberies, I can't recall I've seen more than a few lightskinned perpetrators. It could be because the light skinned perpetrators do other types of crimes. Crimes that doesn't end up in shooting when they get caught. The crime gangs in the favelas are mostly made up of darker guys. When police attack those gangs there is a lot of shooting, and a lot of those guys die.

[Spidy]

Sorry dude. I did not read the article. But I will take your word that a bunch of random Black dudes are walking down the favela minding their own business and the police picks them up and kills them frequently.

Create all the bullshit scenarios you want, if that make you feel better. The actual data on the subject, says otherwise.

57% of Brazilians are Black or mixed, but they make up 80% of the people killed by police.

Yet to see this "vast majority" data you've crooked up, to go alone with the "bunch of random Black dudes. ".

[Mr Enternational]

But go ahead and deflect all you want, when you can't produce said evidence, to backup your so called "vast majority". Still waiting for that information... Tick-Tock!

Meanwhile you produce no evidence that it is not the vast majority. So I guess we are both some waiting asses.

[Spidy]

LOL. Yet you first mentioned George Floyd. Was he Brazilian?

If you care to re-read the posts and understand them appropriately, you will note, George Floyd's name came up because he is mention by a protester, to reference the same style of killing that was being exacted upon Genivaldo de Jesus Santos. Hence the connection, hence the reasons to report the police brutality.

Nobody mentioned, The Congo!

But go ahead and deflect all you want, when you can't produce said evidence, to backup your so called "vast majority". Still waiting for that information... Tick-Tock!

[Mr Enternational]

Sure different groups of people do stupid shit everyday. However, it seems only certain groups of people get killed for it, even when following orders,

Sorry dude. I did not read the article. But I will take your word that a bunch of random Black dudes are walking down the favela minding their own business and the police picks them up and kills them frequently.

[Mr Enternational]

Is this where we're at now, "The Congo"....really? And you wonder why I say wacky.

57% of Brazilians are Black or mixed, but they make up 80% of the people killed by police.

Not true, totally false information! We are taking about Brazilian police brutality, dude. NOT the Congo!

LOL. Yet you first mentioned George Floyd. Was he Brazilian?

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah, pretty wacky take!

Albeit, misguided and misplaced. BTW, you being from the US, you'd have been better served to provide us with an example from the US, if there is one... oh, right, George Floyd and countless others.

Huh? You totally missed my point. And on purpose it seems. The point is this is hardly about race because it also happens in places where the entire population is homogeneous. You guys act like mfs in the Congo, where everyone is the same, are not doing the same thing to each other. Sure it is racial in some cases, but in the vast majority it is not. People tend to skip over the cases where a cop does it to a suspect of the same race as if it is only happening when the race of the 2 people or groups of people is different. That is just plain disingenuous.

So yeaaa a crack head that did a violent home invasion on a pregnant woman (Between 1997 and 2005, he was convicted of eight crimes. He served four years in prison after accepting a plea bargain for a 2007 aggravated robbery in a home invasion.) can now be held as your hero. He left some big shoes to fill. People need to raise their kids to be more like George Floyd.

And in Minnesota the other day prostestors were out because the cops killed another dumb mf that was shooting through the walls of an apartment building almost killing a woman and her kids. The lady ran out and confronted the protesters asking if they were fucking stupid feeling sorry for this guy. Then if the lady and her kids would have gotten killed the same dumb mfs would have been protesting that the cops were not there or did nothing the same as they are doing in Uvalde. Can't fucking win with these folks.

I have a gun for everyday of the month and have carried one in the States everyday for the last 29 years and no cops have ever stopped me harassing me or beat me or killed me. I am definitely Black, so it must be because I am not out doing dumb shit. Instead of teaching your kids that someone is out to get them, how about teaching them not to be out doing dumb shit.

[Spidy]

Nahh. This is not a race thing. This is a people thing...

Yeah, pretty wacky take!

Albeit, misguided and misplaced. BTW, you being from the US, you'd have been better served to provide us with an example from the US, if there is one... oh, right, George Floyd and countless others.

The tens of thousands, that protested across Brazil, in the wake of this incident (and the other massacre in Rio at the time), would say otherwise! They were protesting the racist and discriminatory police brutality, killings (with impunity) and murders, that are disproportionately levied and targeted, against them, over and over again, simply because of where they live or the color of the their skin.

Sounds like your misguided opinion is saying they (the Brazilians Protestors and favela residents) don't know jack about what their protesting, are full of shit, and are simply imagining these targeted attacks on "blacks" and "favela residents", by police.

I reported the story of them saying what they're saying. I for one, have no reason to not to believe them. The disproportionate numbers also backup and testify to what the protestors are saying.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlvJzcxYNY

Notwithstanding your political gymnastics or wacky spin, to frame this in a different light, the protestors speaking to their cause, tell you exactly what they thought and what they're fighting for...if you care to listen.

[TeddyT6969]

Black man in boot of Brazil police car, in Umbauba (in the northeastern state of Sergipe), dies of asphyxiation after being trapped by officers in the back of the smoke-filled car.

Genivaldo de Jesus Santos, the 38-year-old handcuffed black man described by his family as suffering from schizophrenia can be heard screaming and his legs, which stick out of the vehicle, kick for a time, until they eventually stop moving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBhg1OfZJ2I

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...car-draws-fury

The incident comes just days after officers of the highway police participated in an operation in Rio de Janeiro that left more than 20 people dead.

Many comment that, this is a "George Floyd" style killing, and is an everyday occurrence in Brazil, at the hands of a racist, discriminatory and brutal corrupt Brazilian police force.

I'm here for the pussy news! I can read Folha or O Globo for the killings and other other depressing stuff.

[Mr Enternational]

Many comment that, this is a "George Floyd" style killing, and is an everyday occurrence in Brazil, at the hands of a racist, discriminatory and brutal corrupt Brazilian police force.

Nahh. This is not a race thing. This is a people thing. Was it racist when Polpot did it to his own people in Cambodia? Was it racist when Stalin did it to his people in Russia? What was it when Amin did it to his own people in Uganda? Was it racist when these Thai cops recently did it to other Thais?

"A former Thai police chief has been sentenced to life in jail after being found guilty of murder by torture, in a case that sparked national outrage over police brutality. "

[Spidy]

Black man in boot of Brazil police car, in Umbauba (in the northeastern state of Sergipe), dies of asphyxiation after being trapped by officers in the back of the smoke-filled car.

Genivaldo de Jesus Santos, the 38-year-old handcuffed black man described by his family as suffering from schizophrenia can be heard screaming and his legs, which stick out of the vehicle, kick for a time, until they eventually stop moving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBhg1OfZJ2I

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...car-draws-fury

The incident comes just days after officers of the highway police participated in an operation in Rio de Janeiro that left more than 20 people dead.

Many comment that, this is a "George Floyd" style killing, and is an everyday occurrence in Brazil, at the hands of a racist, discriminatory and brutal corrupt Brazilian police force.