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[BeenBob]

Anyone who has been on the ground lately know which cambio house has the best rates? In Zona Sul that is? Last time I was there I enjoyed the one on NS de Copacabana between Bolivar and Xavier the Silveira, although later in my trip I spotted a better one more eastward near that Flamengo shop not far from Copacabana Palace. Thanks.

[Eszpresszo]

Also check flights from other major cities nearby. Lisbon to SP costs more than flights from Madrid or Rome, even though flights from both of these cities transfer in Lisbon.

Thanks for your input, especially regarding the lead time for booking. Meanwhile, I was checking out skiplagged.com, which gives a good breakdown of flights based on their connections. As someone mentioned, its completely possibly to book a flight in and out of Rio, with a long layover in Sao Paolo, thus giving one an opportunity for an experience there. But, that site makes it easier to choose. And those with a longer layover in SP, are also the cheapest. So maybe one can have their cake and eat it, too.

Yes, there are some paradoxes for the prices of flights here in the US, and evidently abroad, as well. Let me give you an example. I live in Dallas, and my local international airport is DFW. When checking out prices to Bogota recently, I found the easiest and most direct was a daily flight from DFW to BOG on American Airlines, the dominant airline in the area that cuts nobody any slack. Prices are occasionally under $1000 round trip, but only by a smidgen, and usually higher. Search flights from my state capitol, Austin (AUS) and its much cheaper (sometimes close to half) though it involves a short connecting flight to DFW to connect with the very same Bogota flight I mentioned. What gives here?

Well, the explanation is totally Americentric, so pardon me if this doesn't apply to everyone reading this. But, way back in the 90's, a travel agent explained to me that flights originating from state capitols are the cheapest. The reason? Politics, plain and simple. And it still appears to be the case. So, I would advise anyone who does travel out of the US, check on flights originating from your state capitol. If its a reasonable jaunt it might be worth the inconvenience. In my case, its a matter of a $99 flight to Austin on Southwest Airlines, or a $12 ride on Megabus to Austin, plus Uber to the airport (A trip on Megabus is actually more comfortable and pleasant than riding in coach on an airplane). The savings could be significant for a little more time and inconvenience. And as for the trip back? I can always "miss" my connecting flight upon clearing customs at DFW, and take an Uber home.

[WyattEarp]

Back in the 90's, I talked to two experienced travel agents who both told me that an odd nuance of travel to South America was that the best fares were usually found at the last minute, though availability of seats was very uncertain and the traveler had to be on top of it. Whereas buying your ticket way in advance was guaranteed to get you the highest fare. Completely the opposite of travel to any other place.

But, that was before the internet disrupted the travel industry and brought yield management to your PC and your mobile device. Has anyone noticed a particular time frame when purchasing a ticket to GRU and GIG were optimum for pricing?

I'd say up until the mid-2000's it was true you could find unpublished deals. BACC Travel was one consolidator that use to have deeply discounted fares. It's worth a shot 1-800-BACCRIO.

Unfortunately, I think it's harder to find deals to Brazil. You're right about sophisticated yield management. I also see a lot of movement on frequent flyer awards. This is another way to get rid of empty seats without conditioning regular travelers to wait for deep discounts.

[Larry David]

Thanks for all the feedback from all the board members. Its good a read some mongers' perspective beyond all the glossed over media depictions and the breezy verbiage of Lonely Planet. Now my next question is, what is the best time to travel in regards to ticket prices and general conditions? I understand the weather is always warm (or hot) in Rio, but I'd be curious what months some prefer for travel. I have read that Christmas, Carnival and Easter are busy periods, but March and May are nice, if not off season when it comes to hotels and air fare.

Back in the 90's, I talked to two experienced travel agents who both told me that an odd nuance of travel to South America was that the best fares were usually found at the last minute, though availability of seats was very uncertain and the traveler had to be on top of it. Whereas buying your ticket way in advance was guaranteed to get you the highest fare. Completely the opposite of travel to any other place.

But, that was before the internet disrupted the travel industry and brought yield management to your PC and your mobile device. Has anyone noticed a particular time frame when purchasing a ticket to GRU and GIG were optimum for pricing?

Google flights will show you the best rates from different cities or regions. Best rates I've seen while procrastinating to buy are about five weeks out. If you are not in a major city, check flights to that city separately and you can lower your cost. Also check flights from other major cities nearby. Lisbon to SP costs more than flights from Madrid or Rome, even though flights from both of these cities transfer in Lisbon.

Also with Goog flights you can check flights leaving today and confirm for yourself if there are any savings.

I've not seen seasonal price drops, but I have noticed airlines offering sales from different cities. Sometimes it is cheaper through NYC. Other times it's la, or cdmx or Aruba. You can search from a city to a region, such as SP to Europe. Identify the cheapest cities from SP and then reverse it. Or in Google search type Europe to SP, and you will see a listing by cities to use as a starting point.

[Member #4563]

Hi,

Any more popular Clasificados other then vivalocal?

Thanks.

[Eszpresszo]

Thanks for all the feedback from all the board members. Its good a read some mongers' perspective beyond all the glossed over media depictions and the breezy verbiage of Lonely Planet. Now my next question is, what is the best time to travel in regards to ticket prices and general conditions? I understand the weather is always warm (or hot) in Rio, but I'd be curious what months some prefer for travel. I have read that Christmas, Carnival and Easter are busy periods, but March and May are nice, if not off season when it comes to hotels and air fare.

Back in the 90's, I talked to two experienced travel agents who both told me that an odd nuance of travel to South America was that the best fares were usually found at the last minute, though availability of seats was very uncertain and the traveler had to be on top of it. Whereas buying your ticket way in advance was guaranteed to get you the highest fare. Completely the opposite of travel to any other place.

But, that was before the internet disrupted the travel industry and brought yield management to your PC and your mobile device. Has anyone noticed a particular time frame when purchasing a ticket to GRU and GIG were optimum for pricing?

[WyattEarp]

Thanks for reaching out to the curious. As someone who has always been curious about Brazil and contemplating travel there since the early 80's, I would finally like to establish a time frame for a visit. Big factors preventing have always been high airfares (at least from my region) combined with an expensive visa (It was $50 in the early 80's which seemed outrageous, as it was a day's pay after taxes.) and other distractions (Colombia, Thailand, Bali). When you can fly to Southeast Asia for $653 round trip on a good airline, can you blame me?

That said, I have a few basic questions about Brazil that will benefit most anyone unfamiliar with the country, so forgive me if they have been asked before.

Besides the popular mongering destinations of Rio and Sao Paolo, what are the other great places to monger in? I know the two biggest cities will seem the most obvious. But as I have noticed, larger cities are of course harder to navigate without a good infrastructure that is accommodating to the visitor. Kuala Lumpur is an example of a sprawling metropolitan area that has an excellent public transport system that a moron could figure out. Rio and Sao Paolo? I don't know. When it comes to mongering, urban sprawl can be a kill joy. Also both cities are known for high levels of crime and places where the tourist has to be careful. I'd prefer not to have those risks and have to constantly look over my shoulder. Another problem with larger cities is that the residents tend to be less friendly than the provincial people (you can see this most everywhere in the world) and they don't reflect the national character all that well (Would you judge the Brits based on a visit to London, or Americans on who you met in New York or Los Angeles?

Another reason I am curious about the second-tier cities is the things I have seen written about them here and elsewhere. Belo Horizonte has been noted here as having great mongering opportunities and I've read elsewhere the women are above average in appearance. Fortaleza also has gotten accolades. But besides mongering, one needs to consider the other things about a town that make it worth visiting: cuisine, recreation, nightlife, scenery, cultural attractions, etc. At 60 years, I can't fuck all day and need something to do besides monger. Maybe I had not read up well enough on Rio and Sao Paolo, but they aren't exactly lauded for having much of those things, except maybe clubs and beaches. But, what do I know? I'm sure there are good reasons that mongers choose SP and Rio. But, I suspect part of it could be that is where their international flight lands.

Mind you, I have mongered in 11 cities in 7 nations in recent history. So, I'm not a newbie monger and I prefer new adventures over returning to destinations that are familiar. But, I would appreciate opinions about the most popular places versus those that are under appreciated.

Rio is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Imagine if you took San Francisco and dropped it on Hawaii. A cosmopolitan bay city with tropical mountains and beaches. There is a lot to see and do. The comparisons of NYC to Sao Paulo are too simple. While Sao Paulo is a congested city like NYC, NYC has great theatre and museums. NYC is also an oceanfront city. I suppose Sao Paulo has some theatre in Portuguese.

Belo Horizonte is a fine city, but a single male might get bored outside mongering and eating. There is not much to do and see. You could take a day trip to Ouro Preto. Read the BH forum carefully, the mongering is not as prevalent as SP and RJ. While it's cheaper, it seems to be a bit downstream in quality. Many top BH girls go to SP and RJ to make money. There are some clubs with attractive locals, but without Portuguese speaking wingmen or any wingmen at all this will be a challenging environment.

[Combo]

It's a blessing and will save you lots of money LOL. Rio is a good option for this type of Monger, get a nice hotel right in front of the beach that is girl friendly and has a great pool. Spend your days sitting at the pool or going to the beach like the other tourists in the hotel. Then in the evening go out and find something to fuck either by hitting the various bars in Copacabana or calling in an escort for a couple of hours. Repeat this daily until you need a rest then take a day off and go to Ipanema at night and mingle with the locals in the bars and restaurants, who knows you might even get lucky.

I'd add hitting the termas late afternoon / early evening to that list. Must do for first time visitor. Same idea as FKKs, but girls are all Brasilian (= great performers).

Also surfing in Recreo (if you surf), hit some Bossa Nova clubs, walk all over Copa and Ipanema, Corcovado (statue of Cristo), Sugarloaf. Or just hang at the beach.

Rio may not be quite the hobbying destination that it was 15-20 years ago, but it still has an awful lot to offer. If you're there for over a week, you might as well also hit Sao Paulo. They are like a 30 minute flight from each other and tickets are super cheap. Fly into one city and fly out of the other. Sao Paulo will give you unparalleled quality and quantity.

[Rio Bob]

Thanks for reaching out to the curious. As someone who has always been curious about Brazil and contemplating travel there since the early 80's, I would finally like to establish a time frame for a visit.

At 60 years, I can't fuck all day and need something to do besides monger. Maybe I had not read up well enough on Rio and Sao Paolo, but they aren't exactly lauded for having much of those things, except maybe clubs and beaches. But, what do I know? I'm sure there are good reasons that mongers choose SP and Rio. But, I suspect part of it could be that is where their international flight lands.

It's a blessing and will save you lots of money LOL. Rio is a good option for this type of Monger, get a nice hotel right in front of the beach that is girl friendly and has a great pool. Spend your days sitting at the pool or going to the beach like the other tourists in the hotel. Then in the evening go out and find something to fuck either by hitting the various bars in Copacabana or calling in an escort for a couple of hours. Repeat this daily until you need a rest then take a day off and go to Ipanema at night and mingle with the locals in the bars and restaurants, who knows you might even get lucky.

[Eszpresszo]

Unless you have a lot of time on the ground, I'd just go to Rio or maybe Sao Paulo. While English isn't common in Brasil, it's going to be even less common outside those two cities. The good thing about Rio is there's plenty to do outside of boning Garotas. It's one of the most spectacular cities in the World -- right up there with Sydney or Cape Town. Plus it's really not that hard to navigate. Lots of stuff is in Copacabana and Ipanema, which are walkable. And to hit the Centro termas, the Metro is very easy and convenient. Very doable for a first-time visit with no Portuguese.

Thanks for your helpful-input. I ask because lets face it, Rio has a long standing reputation for a lot of things, mostly good that are projected by the media as well as travel industry entities that have something for you to sell. As I have traveled quite a (bit though I'm bit new to South America) I have found that many places that are well presented in the media don't completely live up to their hype.

Thanks again and any other input from board members would be appreciated.

[Mangera]

Brazilians are really in an uproar at the moment.

Truckers have been on strike over fuel prices and goods are not moving.

No food. No medicines. No going anywhere.

What is available, is highly inflated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...aa6_story.html

(Washington Post allows a limited number of free views, so if you do not see the story do a search on Trucker Strike Brazil).

Be aware of this situation as you make your travel plans.

I will be arriving in Rio in a couple of weeks. I really hope that truck driver strike is resolved completely by then. The dollar is fetching a good return rate at the moment. However, there goes the savings with this current problem. Thats Brazil for you!

[Combo]

Thanks for reaching out to the curious. As someone who has always been curious about Brazil and contemplating travel there since the early 80's, I would finally like to establish a time frame for a visit. Big factors preventing have always been high airfares (at least from my region) combined with an expensive visa (It was $50 in the early 80's which seemed outrageous, as it was a day's pay after taxes.) and other distractions (Colombia, Thailand, Bali). When you can fly to Southeast Asia for $653 round trip on a good airline, can you blame me?

That said, I have a few basic questions about Brazil that will benefit most anyone unfamiliar with the country, so forgive me if they have been asked before.

Besides the popular mongering destinations of Rio and Sao Paolo, what are the other great places to monger in? I know the two biggest cities will seem the most obvious. But as I have noticed, larger cities are of course harder to navigate without a good infrastructure that is accommodating to the visitor. Kuala Lumpur is an example of a sprawling metropolitan area that has an excellent public transport system that a moron could figure out. Rio and Sao Paolo? I don't know. When it comes to mongering, urban sprawl can be a kill joy. Also both cities are known for high levels of crime and places where the tourist has to be careful. I'd prefer not to have those risks and have to constantly look over my shoulder. Another problem with larger cities is that the residents tend to be less friendly than the provincial people (you can see this most everywhere in the world) and they don't reflect the national character all that well (Would you judge the Brits based on a visit to London, or Americans on who you met in New York or Los Angeles?

Another reason I am curious about the second-tier cities is the things I have seen written about them here and elsewhere. Belo Horizonte has been noted here as having great mongering opportunities and I've read elsewhere the women are above average in appearance. Fortaleza also has gotten accolades. But besides mongering, one needs to consider the other things about a town that make it worth visiting: cuisine, recreation, nightlife, scenery, cultural attractions, etc. At 60 years, I can't fuck all day and need something to do besides monger. Maybe I had not read up well enough on Rio and Sao Paolo, but they aren't exactly lauded for having much of those things, except maybe clubs and beaches. But, what do I know? I'm sure there are good reasons that mongers choose SP and Rio. But, I suspect part of it could be that is where their international flight lands.

Mind you, I have mongered in 11 cities in 7 nations in recent history. So, I'm not a newbie monger and I prefer new adventures over returning to destinations that are familiar. But, I would appreciate opinions about the most popular places versus those that are under appreciated.

Unless you have a lot of time on the ground, I'd just go to Rio or maybe Sao Paulo. While English isn't common in Brasil, it's going to be even less common outside those two cities. The good thing about Rio is there's plenty to do outside of boning Garotas. It's one of the most spectacular cities in the World -- right up there with Sydney or Cape Town. Plus it's really not that hard to navigate. Lots of stuff is in Copacabana and Ipanema, which are walkable. And to hit the Centro termas, the Metro is very easy and convenient. Very doable for a first-time visit with no Portuguese.

Sao Paulo is loaded with cultural attractions and fantastic restaurants. It's like the New York of S America. It is however, an absolute pain in the ass to get around.

I must also add -- I've never seen a city with the quality and quantity of hot-looking women that Sao Paolo has. I've been to all the well-known destinations for our hobby and nothing comes close IMO.

One other thing to consider -- if you go to Fortaleza, Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte, etc, you're very likely to have to connect through Sao Paulo.

[Exec Talent]

Being with multiple women at the same time can be a blast. Just ask Ronaldinho. Though after a day or two the novelty for most of us would wear off.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...-meet-12588078

Having experienced many, you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you are: tired, drunk, not freshly showered, not good with one woman, don't like eating pussy. While these events can just spontaneously come together, one of the best I had was when floor full of girls all decided to invade the room I was in at an Eros Center in Frankfurt, most of the time you want to plan, even when there is only two.

Speaking of eating pussy. You really do not want to ask a girl that question directly unless you can do it in a humorous way because they all are going to say they do. Until they don't. If you are in a termas or club, ask them if they like girls and don't let on you are interested in a threesome. If you are getting urged to take two girls, put their heads together and watch them kiss. If they say something like they don't do that in public. Pass. Trust me you are going to need full participation from all parties. New guys may not know this but the goal often is to see how fast they can make you come. If you normally pop the cork early with one girl, imagine with two. So, sit back, relax and get your face right in there while they go at each other. My house rule is everybody comes at least once. And, like when money miraculously appears in the tip jar at the bar, make some noise.

Brazilians love their fun mixed with their sex or is it their sex mixed with their fun? Anyway, the more fun they have, the more fun you will have. You know you have done it right when an all-nighter ends at 3:00 in the afternoon when they have to get ready for work.

[Exec Talent]

Brazilians are really in an uproar at the moment.

Truckers have been on strike over fuel prices and goods are not moving.

No food. No medicines. No going anywhere.

What is available, is highly inflated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...aa6_story.html

(Washington Post allows a limited number of free views, so if you do not see the story do a search on Trucker Strike Brazil).

Be aware of this situation as you make your travel plans.

[Eszpresszo]

For some of you considering Brazil and wondering what it is like, check out the girls on these sites.

https://www.xvideos.com/tags/mike-in-brazil

https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=mike+in+Brazil.

Some of us have even been lucky enough to experience a few of the girls up close and personal.

There are some festas, outdoor scenes and views from around town.

Thanks for reaching out to the curious. As someone who has always been curious about Brazil and contemplating travel there since the early 80's, I would finally like to establish a time frame for a visit. Big factors preventing have always been high airfares (at least from my region) combined with an expensive visa (It was $50 in the early 80's which seemed outrageous, as it was a day's pay after taxes.) and other distractions (Colombia, Thailand, Bali). When you can fly to Southeast Asia for $653 round trip on a good airline, can you blame me?

That said, I have a few basic questions about Brazil that will benefit most anyone unfamiliar with the country, so forgive me if they have been asked before.

Besides the popular mongering destinations of Rio and Sao Paolo, what are the other great places to monger in? I know the two biggest cities will seem the most obvious. But as I have noticed, larger cities are of course harder to navigate without a good infrastructure that is accommodating to the visitor. Kuala Lumpur is an example of a sprawling metropolitan area that has an excellent public transport system that a moron could figure out. Rio and Sao Paolo? I don't know. When it comes to mongering, urban sprawl can be a kill joy. Also both cities are known for high levels of crime and places where the tourist has to be careful. I'd prefer not to have those risks and have to constantly look over my shoulder. Another problem with larger cities is that the residents tend to be less friendly than the provincial people (you can see this most everywhere in the world) and they don't reflect the national character all that well (Would you judge the Brits based on a visit to London, or Americans on who you met in New York or Los Angeles?

Another reason I am curious about the second-tier cities is the things I have seen written about them here and elsewhere. Belo Horizonte has been noted here as having great mongering opportunities and I've read elsewhere the women are above average in appearance. Fortaleza also has gotten accolades. But besides mongering, one needs to consider the other things about a town that make it worth visiting: cuisine, recreation, nightlife, scenery, cultural attractions, etc. At 60 years, I can't fuck all day and need something to do besides monger. Maybe I had not read up well enough on Rio and Sao Paolo, but they aren't exactly lauded for having much of those things, except maybe clubs and beaches. But, what do I know? I'm sure there are good reasons that mongers choose SP and Rio. But, I suspect part of it could be that is where their international flight lands.

Mind you, I have mongered in 11 cities in 7 nations in recent history. So, I'm not a newbie monger and I prefer new adventures over returning to destinations that are familiar. But, I would appreciate opinions about the most popular places versus those that are under appreciated.