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[Gaius Suetonius]

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[Voyajer1]

Do not worry about the peanut gallery. Your reports are as always informative and quite entertaining. Do not let some misguided lurkers deprive the rest of us of you sharing your knowledge and experiences. They definitely have added tremendous value to this forum as a true monger's resource tool. Just pay them no mind and trust me, they will just disappear.

I probably shouldn't bother replying as a) I have a legal background and you apparently don't, or aren't familiar with the law on this area; b) I post photos and you apparently don't; c) I'm quite familiar with how basic watermark programs work and usually write about something more pertinent, such as finding women, putting photos in photos threads and photo chitchat in photo chitchat threads - all of which you apparently don't.

This is the first batch of photos I have watermarked in ISG. The reason, should you have the faintest interest, is to dissuade trolls who don't post their own original material from taking the photos and posting them on other sections under other countries, passing them off as their own genuine experiences. This has been a reported problem on a number of forums in ISG.

One thing you are right about and that is your post will encourage me to post less pictures, or possibly none at all on the Brasil section. The usefulness of photos is debatable at best, and time-consuming. As I said, it's to help people who actually go out in the field and report to get an idea of the quality/type etc of a country or area - I've often posted a host of very graphic shots as well but that would have been an entirely secondary perk, and not primarily for picture-collectors such as yourself maybe (looking at your back posts).

Perhaps posting photos is better reserved for forums that haven't deteriorated into chitchats and critiques by people who don't post reports. The one photo you moaned about, out of what is the largest contribution of photos of recent days, didn't have your w*nk area fully obscured by the watermark anyway. I am surprised that your imagination has so little exercise when it is such a great source of pleasure to you.

I believe there are a great number of techie forums in the Internet - why not offer your techie-for-dummies advice in there where it might, might, even be welcomed by the even less fortunate?

[note to ISG supporters - this is a photo thread and I loathe to rant without including photos in the post - much of my posting is from a mobile phone and doesn't let me include pics. When I get a moment on a PC, I will try to remember to add some pics to this or a subsequent post that may be useful to people who use the forum as intended etc etc etc.]

[Cho 637]

I am not sure if I should respond and waste valuable space on needless discussion.

I replied to voyager's post about the same girls charging different prices depending where they were. Help was a special high price space, like Barbarella. I explained that Help was very special in that the same girls were, and especially now ARE available for cheap cheap money elsewhere.

As I always said, you don't get what you pay for: Help girls usually were NOT high class model college middle class girls who actually can ask such prices from Brazilians. One girl I helped to get out of a R$ 20 place immediately got R$ 400 for one hour programs from Brazilians (through a luxury pimp, of course). But she was a college girl, ex business owner, blonde, tall, etc.

By the way, if some of you guys have too much money, I get always pestered by an agency that has TV, Playboy etc bunnies. Probably from R$ 500 to 5000 and more, and more interesting for Brazilians as you would not even know that the girl is famous.

The fact that Help has closed does not change the argument, neither does it change much about the fact that I did not go inside for 10 years.

But please, let us stop this. More useful discussions.


ask your airline. Stopover privileges are expensive unless you are on a very high priced tariff. Just saw that other people have other info, so please do your research and report back to us if the stopover can be done easily and how.

If you just walk out in São Paulo, say good bye to your luggage that goes to Rio. And there might be other contractual agreements preventing you from stopping early and getting out.

* Try a 3 way flight
your city to Sao Paulo
leave Sao Paulo Rio open and buy
Rio to your city.

* More likely you have to buy
your city to Sao Paulo return ticket
and get 2 separate one way flights from Sao Paulo to Rio
Should be ok, fairly cheap and easy and ok to buy on the spot except on rare extremely important holliday dates

but you will have trouble with customs, checkin, and luggage allowance
for example you might have to be in Sao Paulo 3-4 hours before the departure of your return flight, and re-check your baggage, etc ...........

Brazil only gives 23 kg luggage allowance, but if you prove direct international connection you should be ok. On the other leg where you did a stopover, be prepared to pay extra for luggage.

You are right about the luggage allowance, however I no longer trust the scales for GOL. When I left the states my bag was weighed at 46lbs. (23 kg). When I was leaving Rio for Fortaleza GOL weighed my bag as 32kg. I had to pay R70 extra!

[Perkele]

I myself, ever since I rent rooms (sorry for the spam, did not really mean to), put R$ 500 locks into my doors that have uncopyable keys, sort of like car keys. If a key gets lost, I put in a new lock. I don't like to compromise on safety, I am paranoid. Spent a few thousands on that already, for changing locks and keys.

Brazilian land lords are usually cheap. Cut corners on aircon, mattresses, internet, keys etc. Never seen anyone else use these keys. But the big locksmith store owner has the same lock on his apartment.

Please do share this lock information.

[Brazil Specialist]

Practically every Brazilian you talk to. Except the one you're renting from. Will laugh and say, 'of course the keys have been copied. ' Try to rent direct from owner. Preferably a gringo owner if you're that nervous about it.

if there was another tenant in there then he and one of his 20 girl friends can have copied the keys. No matter how honest the owner.

Sure, a door man is an additional security. But most door men are not high security guards, and most cheaper buildings have so many people walking in and out that is it not hard to get past the door man.

[Abzsafado]

Practically every Brazilian you talk to. Except the one you're renting from. Will laugh and say, 'of course the keys have been copied. ' Try to rent direct from owner. Preferably a gringo owner if you're that nervous about it.

I always copy the keys. If you are worried stay in a hotel, they are usually available for the same price that the "gringo owner" will charge but with a lot more security and comfort.
Apartments in Rio nearly always have a doorman. How does the thief with the spare key get past the doorman? Maybe he knows him, maybe he is the gringo owner!
In ten years of renting apartments in Rio with numerous possibilities for spare keys and dodgy locals I have never had my apartment robbed. But I have had money stolen in hotels. There is a lot of misinformation about who to rent from on this site. My advice would be that if it is your first trip stay in a hotel and use the room safe for valuables. If you want to come back then check out some local rental agencies, see what is available and use your intuition to ascertain if the deal is good or not.
But above all remember the golden rule, in every game there is a fool, if you cannot see the fool then it's you!

[Golfinho]

Practically every Brazilian you talk to. Except the one you're renting from. Will laugh and say, 'of course the keys have been copied. ' Try to rent direct from owner. Preferably a gringo owner if you're that nervous about it.

[Brazil Specialist]

My concern is that once you rent an apartment, the renter might have a spare key to the room and can attack or rob you baring all precaution and courtsey you exercised.

I would be very concerned. Not so much about the apartment owner, but about the 50 ghetto girlfrineds of the 20 recent renters who had a chance to copy the keys. Or if the apartment is being sub-let by a renter.

Actually, I myself had things stolen by the apartment rental agency, some of you guys used her, but she is now dead (alcoholic).

There probably are some door block wedges and door alarms (anyone care to post links?) out there that can help safety a little. But these only help you while you are inside the apartment. But I would rather be robbed while outside the apartment then getting tortured to surrender my pin numbers and wait with a gun toting drug addict watching me while his friend checks out the atm machines with my cards. Actually, even worse is if you have credit cards where you don't even know the pin number and you cannot give it out even under torture.

Sorry for scaring people, it is always good to prepare for the worst. I am not joking, this does happen, though not too frequently. I once rented a place to people with a number safe that nobody had the number too and people were scared shitless as they could not open the safe even under torture.

I myself, ever since I rent rooms (sorry for the spam, did not really mean to), put R$ 500 locks into my doors that have uncopyable keys, sort of like car keys. If a key gets lost, I put in a new lock. I don't like to compromise on safety, I am paranoid. Spent a few thousands on that already, for changing locks and keys.

Brazilian land lords are usually cheap. Cut corners on aircon, mattresses, internet, keys etc. Never seen anyone else use these keys. But the big locksmith store owner has the same lock on his apartment.

[Brazil Specialist]

Was this a pasted response because you mentioned help which is defunct.

I am not sure if I should respond and waste valuable space on needless discussion.

I replied to voyager's post about the same girls charging different prices depending where they were. Help was a special high price space, like Barbarella. I explained that Help was very special in that the same girls were, and especially now ARE available for cheap cheap money elsewhere.

As I always said, you don't get what you pay for: Help girls usually were NOT high class model college middle class girls who actually can ask such prices from Brazilians. One girl I helped to get out of a R$ 20 place immediately got R$ 400 for one hour programs from Brazilians (through a luxury pimp, of course). But she was a college girl, ex business owner, blonde, tall, etc.

By the way, if some of you guys have too much money, I get always pestered by an agency that has TV, Playboy etc bunnies. Probably from R$ 500 to 5000 and more, and more interesting for Brazilians as you would not even know that the girl is famous.

The fact that Help has closed does not change the argument, neither does it change much about the fact that I did not go inside for 10 years.

But please, let us stop this. More useful discussions.

If you purchase a plane flight to Rio and there is a stop in sao paulo and you decide to stay in SP will the airline have any problem with that? Same goes for coming back.

ask your airline. Stopover privileges are expensive unless you are on a very high priced tariff. Just saw that other people have other info, so please do your research and report back to us if the stopover can be done easily and how.

If you just walk out in São Paulo, say good bye to your luggage that goes to Rio. And there might be other contractual agreements preventing you from stopping early and getting out.

* Try a 3 way flight
your city to Sao Paulo
leave Sao Paulo Rio open and buy
Rio to your city.

* More likely you have to buy
your city to Sao Paulo return ticket
and get 2 separate one way flights from Sao Paulo to Rio
Should be ok, fairly cheap and easy and ok to buy on the spot except on rare extremely important holliday dates

but you will have trouble with customs, checkin, and luggage allowance
for example you might have to be in Sao Paulo 3-4 hours before the departure of your return flight, and re-check your baggage, etc ...........

Brazil only gives 23 kg luggage allowance, but if you prove direct international connection you should be ok. On the other leg where you did a stopover, be prepared to pay extra for luggage.

[Auriflama]

Your theory is quite correct.

I have met once met a girl at Vila Mimosa that worked at Centaurus the week before. That was one of the rare occasions that I actually did a girl in VM.

I did one ex-Barbarella girl for R$ 80 for 40 minutes in a downtown massage place. Saw several ex Help girls for R$ 20, 25, 50 in various places. Some Help girls always worked during daytime for R$ 20-50 a shot to have a regular secure income and then charged 100-300 at night.

Note I am talking about the pretty young girls, 18-22. Older girls, fat girls, ugly hags, they probably are there too.

Finally I personally accompanied 3 pretty girls this month who were moving between R$ 200-400 for 1 hour Balcony programs and R$ 60 cheap terma programs. One of them had worked for R$ 20 only 2 months ago (I committed the sin to open her eyes and show her she could do better, now she goes for 200-400 instead, and also has standing job offers at several top termas)

I also watched how these poor girls settle for R$ 80 termas who offer overnight stay instead of staying at a R$ 300 termas, because they don't have a place to go at 2am when the terma closes.

Now for myself, for the reasons you explain, I have not set foot in Help for 10 years. And I live 3 blocks from Help. I prefer to do the girls at the cheap places, for fixed price, cheaper then the Help entrance fee.

Was this a pasted response because you mentioned help which is defunct.

[Brazil Specialist]

Your theory is quite correct.

I have met once met a girl at Vila Mimosa that worked at Centaurus the week before. That was one of the rare occasions that I actually did a girl in VM.

I did one ex-Barbarella girl for R$ 80 for 40 minutes in a downtown massage place. Saw several ex Help girls for R$ 20, 25, 50 in various places. Some Help girls always worked during daytime for R$ 20-50 a shot to have a regular secure income and then charged 100-300 at night.

Note I am talking about the pretty young girls, 18-22. Older girls, fat girls, ugly hags, they probably are there too.

Finally I personally accompanied 3 pretty girls this month who were moving between R$ 200-400 for 1 hour Balcony programs and R$ 60 cheap terma programs. One of them had worked for R$ 20 only 2 months ago (I committed the sin to open her eyes and show her she could do better, now she goes for 200-400 instead, and also has standing job offers at several top termas)

I also watched how these poor girls settle for R$ 80 termas who offer overnight stay instead of staying at a R$ 300 termas, because they don't have a place to go at 2am when the terma closes.

Now for myself, for the reasons you explain, I have not set foot in Help for 10 years. And I live 3 blocks from Help. I prefer to do the girls at the cheap places, for fixed price, cheaper then the Help entrance fee.

Since the demise of Help all the lazy GDP's have lost their guppy fishbowl. All the, as I call them, "smart folk", pretty much have been removed from the P4P scene for now. The experienced monger is what left now, so many of the GDP's know that their prices must match what the going rate for the locales they hang out dictates. This is something I just don't play or contemplate.
What am I talking about you may ask? It is the old "Charge where they GDP hangs out theory". If a GDP walks the street, she charges a certain rate. I she is in a disco (I.E. The big Sao Paolo discos, Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Love Story, etc. In other countries it also applies when the GDP is independent.), they want to charge you another rate, and so on. I compare the whole scene just like when you are about to buy a car. Would you pay big bucks for a Ford Fiesta because it is in a Mercedez Benz car lot? Heck no! On the other hand you can find that diamond in the rough in a not so nice place. That is what I crave and value, the bargain.
I don't particularly care where she hangs out that determines how much she is allowed to charge me. It boils down, for me, on her looks, personality, how we get along, what she will do and our chemistry. If all those things align, then we discuss a reasonable rate if that's what I wish to do. That is the girl that comes to my hotel room. Otherwise, it the Termas, massage parlors, clinicas, boites and prives with the set rates. There you can find also willing GDP's who will knock your socks off when you invite them to your apartment or hotel room.

[Brazil Specialist]

Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in Rio or any of the other monger locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

First of all, most Universities here are a joke, Mickey Mouse quality.

If you actually want to do something useful, find out which ones are good.

Usually all the federal and state Universities are considered quality, if they are not on strike and if you don't go to a Campus where you get robbed (Fundão near the Airport)
UERJ, UFF, URFJ

Really good is FGV, fundação Getulio Vargas, I think they are world class.

There might be more, I am not an expert, just writing from memories.

how close do you want to be to ***** houses? they are everywhere. Downtown especially. Tijuca, etc .........

If you are good enough in looks and game and age, you might land some fellow students ........

Or go to exotic cities like Porto Velho to study, it is said that they have no ***** houses because regular girls are so easy ..........

[Brazil Specialist]

Anyone know if it's ok/safe to drive from Rio and head south all the way to Porto Alegre? Want to hit up some cities on the way as well. But if it's crazy I won't do it. Thanks guys.

I drove Florianopolis- Curitiba -Sao Paulo -Rio half a year ago. With a Brazilian friend.

It is possible, but there are lots of pitfalls.
Crazy drivers. are you used to this?

corrupt police trying to gauge you! Can you deal with them?


Dangerous places, if you turn into the wrong favela in Rio you can get machinegunned. Really happens. I think a foreign GPS system actually led them into the war zone. A US GPS system is not programmed to avoid war zones in Brazil.

You need local knowledge and Brazilian sense of what is dangerous .......

And of course bad roads with occasional crazy dangers (a manhole in the middle of a puddle, because someone stole the lid to sell it for scrap iron)

It can be done, and it is not totally crazy. But be aware of the dangers.

I would say from Sao Paulo South things get a lot safer and more civilized. A different world.

maybe you start in Curitiba? At least in Sao Paulo and go South immediately. But best you start South of Sao Paulo.

[Jon32]

Anyone know if it's ok/safe to drive from Rio and head south all the way to Porto Alegre? Want to hit up some cities on the way as well. But if it's crazy I won't do it. Thanks guys.

[Xman K3]

Hey people got to Rio yesterday who wants a beer. I will be across from the help on the beach with budweiser butts shirt on lets get some drinks.