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[The Cane]

Hope this wasn't one of the bros:

https://nypost.com/2023/12/31/news/a...us-flight/amp/

[TjBrazil]

My solution to the January 10 visa implementation date: I arrive January 9.

Unless you miss your flight.

[ShooBree]

The only tourist that they lost so far is you. They don't really care. Americans don't spend too much money when they travel anyways.

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You should be a comedian!

[Explorer8939]

My solution to the January 10 visa implementation date: I arrive January 9.

[The Cane]

If that is the case, then why did they take it away in the first place? The USA never took away the requirement for them to have one. So that could not have been in reciprocity.

The first part of what you said was correct. Yes, the Bolsonaro administration removed the visa requirement to boost travel to Brazil. But then the Lula administration came back in and reinstated it based on reciprocity. "These countries require our citizens to have a tourist visa, so we're going to require theirs to have one too". For example, Japan was originally one of the countries that Brazil was going to reimpose the visa requirement on, but both countries have since agreed to waive tourist visa requirements for their respective citizens. In any event, like I say whatever. I've got my valid Brazilian tourist visa, and when it's about to expire I'll get another one (shrugs).

[Mr Enternational]

Again, the reason why the visa requirement is being reinstated is based on the principle of reciprocity, not because they thought not requiring one would boost travel but didn't. Why do people keep making this hard to understand? It's very easy to understand, and it's an approach that other countries choose to follow as well.

"Former president Jair Bolsonaro had scrapped the visa requirements in 2019 to bolster the country's tourism industry, but the four countries continued to demand visas from Brazilians. Bolsonaro criticized the decision last week after the news outlet G1 first reported the upcoming change. "Another revocation by Lula. Less jobs and less stimulus of the hotel sector," he said on Twitter. " So yes it was taken away to boost travel, but put back because other countries would not take their requirement away.

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-us...5484b99a807971

[Mr Enternational]

Again, the reason why the visa requirement is being reinstated is based on the principle of reciprocity, not because they thought not requiring one would boost travel but didn't. Why do people keep making this hard to understand

If that is the case, then why did they take it away in the first place? The USA never took away the requirement for them to have one. So that could not have been in reciprocity.

[The Cane]

I could be wrong, but I think they initially took the visa away expecting it to boost travel in Brazil but it did not. So I guess they are just reinstating it in that case.

Again, the reason why the visa requirement is being reinstated is based on the principle of reciprocity, not because they thought not requiring one would boost travel but didn't. Why do people keep making this hard to understand? It's very easy to understand, and it's an approach that other countries choose to follow as well.

https://www.afar.com/magazine/u-s-tr...azil?_amp=true

[TjBrazil]

You are right about the reasons given. What makes it a silly argument is that the majority of the time a visa wasn't required was during Covid. When no one could travel, so how could they effectively measure the effect of the no visa policy?

Nobody ever accused the Brazilian government of being smart. They need to compare 2019 numbers to the 2024 calendar year when it ends. They will see a difference.

Who said Americans don't spend a lot there. That's ridiculous.

[Houston Player]

I could be wrong, but I think they initially took the visa away expecting it to boost travel in Brazil but it did not. So I guess they are just reinstating it in that case.

You are right about the reasons given. What makes it a silly argument is that the majority of the time a visa wasn't required was during Covid. When no one could travel, so how could they effectively measure the effect of the no visa policy?

[Fewdie]

The only tourist that they lost so far is you. They don't really care. Americans don't spend too much money when they travel anyways.

Debatable. Us mongers, no? But tourism in general is a vital revenue stream. Pre-Covid numbers:

Tourism in Brazil accounts directly for 3.1% of GDP, rising to 9.6% if indirect effects are also included. The sector supported 2.1 million jobs in 2018, which accounts for 2.5% of total employment.

It's also estimated US travelers spend $3,825 in Brazil per trip.

I think it's safe to say that the visa issue isn't going to boost travel to Brazil. I have no clue how many people will change plans. So I cannot possibly predict the impact.

As Nounce pointed out (as have I, repeatedly,) this decision was not made based on financial data. It was punitive. But from a financial impact, this move is a loser. In a country that should be more concerned about the financial impact. But again, I think it was Nounce that pointed out the politics of it all.

[Mr Enternational]

I think it's safe to say that the visa issue isn't going to boost travel to Brazil. I have no clue how many people will change plans. So I cannot possibly predict the impact.

I could be wrong, but I think they initially took the visa away expecting it to boost travel in Brazil but it did not. So I guess they are just reinstating it in that case.

[Sperto]

For God's sake, if somebody don't want to travel to Brazil, stay at home. Stop crying and accept the current situation.

[The Cane]

For what it's worth, I would put good money that I have had many more international trips over the last 10 years than you. To claim to know it all. Well, I'll leave that to the blowhards.

That means a lot coming from a guy who said he no longer wanted to talk about the matter, and then turns around and posts several more messages on the same topic. The bottom line is that nobody cares whether you choose to seek a visa to go to Brazil or not. We don't care! And for what it's worth, my travel experience extends literally over my entire lifetime, so I'm not too impressed with how much travel someone may have done over the last decade LOL! All I know is that I've been to over 50 countries on 5 continents. That's more than enough to know about visa requirements from countries all over the world. And I'm not finished yet!

[Dcrist0527]

All of us combined won't make a dent in their economy.

Debatable. Us mongers, no? But tourism in general is a vital revenue stream. Pre-Covid numbers:

Tourism in Brazil accounts directly for 3.1% of GDP, rising to 9.6% if indirect effects are also included. The sector supported 2.1 million jobs in 2018, which accounts for 2.5% of total employment.

It's also estimated US travelers spend $3,825 in Brazil per trip.

I think it's safe to say that the visa issue isn't going to boost travel to Brazil. I have no clue how many people will change plans. So I cannot possibly predict the impact.

As Nounce pointed out (as have I, repeatedly,) this decision was not made based on financial data. It was punitive. But from a financial impact, this move is a loser. In a country that should be more concerned about the financial impact. But again, I think it was Nounce that pointed out the politics of it all.