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Exchange rate
Any predictions on where we go from here?
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I recall that it is 1300 reais a month, but I don't know the source.
A more recent source told me $60,000 a year, but I don't know what unit of currency. This source is a former rich world police officer who is now living in Rio.
Originally Posted by Bookie77
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I don't like the bandits too but honestly tell me something. If police don't follow the law and the order of the court what will stop a policeman from killing you for no reason one day? They killed 24 people against the rule of the supreme court which means that nothing is going to happened to them. So what will stop a policeman from killing you one day and take your wallet? By the way does anyone knows what is the monthly salary of a cop in Brazil?
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Originally Posted by Sperto
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"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.
I don't like the bandits too but honestly tell me something. If police don't follow the law and the order of the court what will stop a policeman from killing you for no reason one day? They killed 24 people against the rule of the supreme court which means that nothing is going to happened to them. So what will stop a policeman from killing you one day and take your wallet? By the way does anyone knows what is the monthly salary of a cop in Brazil?
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Profiling
Originally Posted by Sperto
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"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.
It is interesting that the same people who complain about profiling want to profile police. I have good friends in Rio from all branches of law enforcement. Also have a close friend whose father was shot on the street outside his apartment by police after getting in an argument with them. The family was afraid to take any action for fear of retaliation. All law enforcement are not good, nor are they bad.
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Originally Posted by Sperto
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"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.
My feelings (or yours for that matter) have nothing to do with fact, that this was a massacre. Most of my friends in Rio / Brazil do consider this a massacre.
The only thing a feel sorry for is a crumbling Brazilian democracy, justice system and a rule of law.
This has everything to do with the police murdering, killing and acting above the rule of law, abandoning procedural justice and have taken the law in their own hands, as they often do in Rio / Brazil and have murdered many innocent Brazilians.
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Originally Posted by Spidy
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So now the Rio police are judge, jury and executioner. Welcome to "order e progresso" and a police state that acts with impunity.
So what's next back to the "good old days" and "make Brazil great again" and the fascist dictatorship of President Joo Goulart?
Worldwide this act was seen and condemned as a massacre, not just IMHO.
"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.
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Originally Posted by Sperto
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Some of you might remember the Vigrio Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.
Originally Posted by Sperto
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The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work. IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.
So now the Rio police are judge, jury and executioner. Welcome to "order e progresso" and a police state that acts with impunity.
So what's next back to the "good old days" and "make Brazil great again" and the fascist dictatorship of President João Goulart?
Worldwide this act was seen and condemned as a massacre, not just IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Spidy
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Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.
It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.
It's interesting to see that some weirdos on here are so pressed about the police killing heavily armed criminals. Personally I'm glad that the cops are doing the Lords work and making Rio de Janeiro a safer place.
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Unlawful
Originally Posted by Sperto
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The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work.
The police should still be required to follow the law themselves. After all, they are supposed to be "law enforcement" officials. So if they weren't supposed to be going in there under court order, then they should not have gone in unless and until the order was overturned, or not until the conditions under which the order permitted the raid presented themselves. Unfortunately, Spidy is likely correct that they will never be held accountable.
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Originally Posted by Bookie77
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But thousands of innocent people who live in Jacarezinho are innocent and risk their lives when police start a war there and the supreme court has already stated that no raids should take place in favelas till the pandemic is over. So who is the criminal now?
The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work.
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Originally Posted by Sperto
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Some of you might remember the Vigrio Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.
IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.
But thousands of innocent people who live in Jacarezinho are innocent and risk their lives when police start a war there and the supreme court has already stated that no raids should take place in favelas till the pandemic is over. So who is the criminal now?
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Originally Posted by Spidy
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Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.
It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.
Some of you might remember the Vigário Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.
IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.
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Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.
It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.
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Originally Posted by Spidy
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Wow! Dude, there's a lot to unpack with your given situation, as you present quite a few personal intangibles, so it's difficult to grasp the answers in a straight forward direct way.
Can't add much more to Xpartan's good advice, but I'll just put it this way. "I think it all comes down to knowing oneself". For example:
A) Is this a risk for me?
B) Can I manage and/or mitigate risk well?
C) Can I really afford this excursion/risk?
D) Do I manage my budget well?
E) Do women / pussy get the better of me and my wallet?
F) I'm I doing this come hell or high water or should I wait?
G) In these COVID times, have I put in place a contingency plan/budget, if the proverbial shit hits the fan?
H) Have I weighed the Pros and Cons?
After self-answering some of these questions and it's still a go, I would just plan your budget to meet your appropriate time frame for staying in Brazil and then add like maybe 20-30% extra for unexpected COVID travel type contingencies. But, as you say, you do have "English speaking friends I can hang out with", providing they come through for you..
Nice set of questions. I would add, if you test positive can you afford to be stuck in Brazil for a few weeks before testing negative to fly back to your country?
Some cities are reopening because they cite decrease in number of hospital patients, not sure how they came to that conclusion when every news org says otherwise.
The numbers are off like many other countries, multiple by 1.5 x or 2 x.
My advice would be find some Brazilian pros near you. After you blow your load you will forget about going to BR LOL.
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