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[Sperto]

So now the Rio police are judge, jury and executioner. Welcome to "order e progresso" and a police state that acts with impunity.

So what's next back to the "good old days" and "make Brazil great again" and the fascist dictatorship of President Joo Goulart?

Worldwide this act was seen and condemned as a massacre, not just IMHO.

"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.

[Spidy]

Some of you might remember the Vigrio Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.

The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work. IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.

So now the Rio police are judge, jury and executioner. Welcome to "order e progresso" and a police state that acts with impunity.

So what's next back to the "good old days" and "make Brazil great again" and the fascist dictatorship of President João Goulart?

Worldwide this act was seen and condemned as a massacre, not just IMHO.

[ShooBree]

Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.

It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.

It's interesting to see that some weirdos on here are so pressed about the police killing heavily armed criminals. Personally I'm glad that the cops are doing the Lords work and making Rio de Janeiro a safer place.

[The Cane]

The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work.

The police should still be required to follow the law themselves. After all, they are supposed to be "law enforcement" officials. So if they weren't supposed to be going in there under court order, then they should not have gone in unless and until the order was overturned, or not until the conditions under which the order permitted the raid presented themselves. Unfortunately, Spidy is likely correct that they will never be held accountable.

[Sperto]

But thousands of innocent people who live in Jacarezinho are innocent and risk their lives when police start a war there and the supreme court has already stated that no raids should take place in favelas till the pandemic is over. So who is the criminal now?

The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work.

[Bookie77]

Some of you might remember the Vigrio Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.

IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.

But thousands of innocent people who live in Jacarezinho are innocent and risk their lives when police start a war there and the supreme court has already stated that no raids should take place in favelas till the pandemic is over. So who is the criminal now?

[Sperto]

Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.

It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.

Some of you might remember the Vigário Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.

IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.

[Spidy]

Deadliest favela raid in Brazil's history: https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...ela-raid-video.

Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.

It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.

[The Cane]

Deadliest favela raid in Brazil's history: https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...ela-raid-video.

[Hobbying]

Wow! Dude, there's a lot to unpack with your given situation, as you present quite a few personal intangibles, so it's difficult to grasp the answers in a straight forward direct way.

Can't add much more to Xpartan's good advice, but I'll just put it this way. "I think it all comes down to knowing oneself". For example:

A) Is this a risk for me?

B) Can I manage and/or mitigate risk well?

C) Can I really afford this excursion/risk?

D) Do I manage my budget well?

E) Do women / pussy get the better of me and my wallet?

F) I'm I doing this come hell or high water or should I wait?

G) In these COVID times, have I put in place a contingency plan/budget, if the proverbial shit hits the fan?

H) Have I weighed the Pros and Cons?

After self-answering some of these questions and it's still a go, I would just plan your budget to meet your appropriate time frame for staying in Brazil and then add like maybe 20-30% extra for unexpected COVID travel type contingencies. But, as you say, you do have "English speaking friends I can hang out with", providing they come through for you..

Nice set of questions. I would add, if you test positive can you afford to be stuck in Brazil for a few weeks before testing negative to fly back to your country?

Some cities are reopening because they cite decrease in number of hospital patients, not sure how they came to that conclusion when every news org says otherwise.

The numbers are off like many other countries, multiple by 1.5 x or 2 x.

My advice would be find some Brazilian pros near you. After you blow your load you will forget about going to BR LOL.

[Spidy]

In about 40 days I'm at a crossroads . . . Hang out overseas until I can get into one of the various Gov housing programs (HUD, FHA, USDA, etc) . . .

5:1 exchange is better than when I went in 2016 . . .

Seems like it's a good time to head to Brazil, thoughts?

Wow! Dude, there's a lot to unpack with your given situation, as you present quite a few personal intangibles, so it's difficult to grasp the answers in a straight forward direct way.

. . . Still, if you're you fully vaccinated, I'd pull the trigger even though it's still risky, supposedly. You can rent a simple room / apartment in Barra or Centro for $20-25 a day . . .

Things are supposedly trending in the right direction, though, so who knows where we're going to be in a few weeks.

Can't add much more to Xpartan's good advice, but I'll just put it this way. "I think it all comes down to knowing oneself". For example:

A) Is this a risk for me?

B) Can I manage and/or mitigate risk well?

C) Can I really afford this excursion/risk?

D) Do I manage my budget well?

E) Do women / pussy get the better of me and my wallet?

F) I'm I doing this come hell or high water or should I wait?

G) In these COVID times, have I put in place a contingency plan/budget, if the proverbial shit hits the fan?

H) Have I weighed the Pros and Cons?

After self-answering some of these questions and it's still a go, I would just plan your budget to meet your appropriate time frame for staying in Brazil and then add like maybe 20-30% extra for unexpected COVID travel type contingencies. But, as you say, you do have "English speaking friends I can hang out with", providing they come through for you.

Yes, with the exchange rate 5:1 and maybe close to 6:1 in some exchange shops, it certainly does present a very salacious and enticing dilemma.

I think many MBs here are ferociously considering, your very same predicament. "Blue balls" and COVID-19 be damned...kkkk!

Looking forward to those field reports...maybe! Good Luck!

[Xpartan]

The family house will be sold (where I live). So the decision is either:

Find something here (not hard but expensive).

Hang out overseas until I can get into one of the various Gov housing programs (HUD, FHA, USDA, etc).

Or make a clean break. I have a Visa it's ironic I got it in 2016 and even paid extra for expedited service and now I don't even need it.

Seems like it's a good time to head to Brazil, thoughts?

I don't live in Brazil, but been there at least a dozen times. I can't imagine a better place in the world to spend a few months. Living permanently presents its own unique challenges though, AFAIK.

But Covid!

I booked my next trip in 2 months. I'm fully vaccinated, but apparently vaccines work much worse against the P1 variant.

Still, if you're you fully vaccinated, I'd pull the trigger even though it's still risky, supposedly. You can rent a simple room / apartment in Barra or Centro for $20-25 a day.

If you're not vaccinated, though, I wouldn't even consider going to Brazil, as much as I take my hat off to brave Vagabundo, who you should contact personally IMHO.

Doesn't matter how healthy you think you are, it's been killing the record number of the Brazilian young lately.

You can buy the best travel insurance, but hospitals in Brazil are in deep shit right now. And I don't think you can be repatriated back home with Covid.

Things are supposedly trending in the right direction, though, so who knows where we're going to be in a few weeks.

[JohnReter335]

And the pimp at the end is priceless.

There are very few things in life that can't be found in Seinfeld.

Sounds interesting I will watch it too.

[DJ FourMoney]

The family house will be sold (where I live). So the decision is either:

Find something here (not hard but expensive).

Hang out overseas until I can get into one of the various Gov housing programs (HUD, FHA, USDA, etc).

Or make a clean break. I have a Visa it's ironic I got it in 2016 and even paid extra for expedited service and now I don't even need it.

5:1 exchange is better than when I went in 2016.

I would be starting from scratch though I do have some English speaking friends I can hang out with. I found out about Tinder too late while I was down there and of course even though Tinder has opened up profiles to everybody, everywhere, the women won't talk to you (at least not to me) because I'm not in country.

Budget would be roughly what would get with UI since I can apply anytime under the original CARE Act rules which means no work or job search requirement and I'm 1099.

That runs out late August at least the extra weekly amount but that's likely to get extended who knows.

Seems like it's a good time to head to Brazil, thoughts?

[Vagabundo1]

Yes, coming to Brazil https://labsnews.com/en/articles/tec...latin-america/.

This will change everything.