2002 Sao Paulo Reports

[MoonDog]

It was great hanging with you at Bomboa. Nice report, and we will do it again.

Moondog

[Surfer]

JUST BACK FROM A GREAT TIME IN SAMPA

Not being able to afford the Renaissance ($176 plus tax was best deal I found, and many websites asked $250+), I looked for a good 3 star close by and found an absolute gem on travelocity for $40. The Comfort Hotel on 363 Alameda Casa Branca (Tel. 5511-283-0066,m fax 5511-283-0181, Email chpaulista@atlantica-hotels.com, website atlantica-hotels.com ) is TERRIFIC value at $40 a night, and I think the location is even better than Renaissance (about 5 minutes away). In room safe, cable TV, great AC, the best shower ever in a hotel, internet (R1.25 per 15 minutes though). HIGHLY recommended. The dreaded R50 garota charge is applied here as well. Nonetheless, IMHO a great value for $40 (the sign said rate was R200 for regular room), so you can imagine my surprise (pleasant) when I got the bill and I was only charged R80 per night (about $21). A steal at that rate, and they gave it to me for both nights I stayed even though I had booked the first night at the higher travelocity rate. VERY pleasant indeed.

Walk one block up the hill and you are at Triannon Park, a large & lovely urban green zone. Walk one block further up the hill and you are at the MASP (Museum of Art Sao Paulo) on Avenida Paulista, THE swankiest shopping street in the metro area and full of nice restaurants & stores. MANY absolute stunners walking, shopping and chatting here. There is a MacDonalds on Ave. Paulista about 2 blocks to your left that offers free internet access (3 terminals available) to all customers (never seen that at Mickey D’s before).

The highlite of my visit to Sampa was Club Bomboa, one of the very best “nightclubs” I have had the pleasure of visiting. 222 Rua Capote Valente (Tel. 11-3064-6494 & 11-3063-2944)in the Pinherios area, adjacent to the University of Sao Paulo (close to the start of Avenida Paulista where it intersects with Avenida Reboucas-a 5 to 7 minute taxi ride from Comfort Hotel). Consolocao is nearest Metro station.

R70 minimum consumption (I never exceeded it), plus R50 cabine charge. OK Buffet, live music (which was quite good, Brazilians are the World’s most musically inclined nationality IMHO), periodic sex shows where some guy in the audience would kiss the kitty of the featured dancer (so to speak). There is a sauna and jacuzzi room upstairs, many semi-private VIP rooms and booths, and TONS of friendly and scantily clad GORGEOUS GAROTAS! Some English is spoken in this so called “American Bar”. The girls adeptly tread the fine line between being interactive and forward yet without being pushy. GREAT ambiance with a group of quality punters in a place packed with available talent, a fine evening indeed.

By all accounts, Sampa clubs are better during the week than on weekends because so many Paulistanos (inhabitants of the city, to be contrasted with the more common “Paulistas” which describes everybody from the STATE of Sao Paulo) bail on the weekends to go to beaches near Santos or Guaruja, or to go to farms & ranches in the cooler highlands areas (“campos do jordao”). I was quite impressed with the Friday night offerings, but am not opposed to returning midweek for comparative research purposes.

After remaining noncommittal despite several intriguingly indecent proposals, I locked eyes with the very alluring Mary Ann from Belo Horizonte (pronounced, in her cute Mineira accent, as BELL-ow Hori-ZONCHEE). Once my friend went upstairs to see if he could heat up an ice princess whom had remained somewhat frosty despite major inbar lip locking, I realized that the time to act decisively was at hand. This dovetailed nicely with Mary Ann’s apparently concurrent decision to pull out the stops in convincing me to be her namorada pra noite (BF for the evening), which she succeeded in by offering a quick sample of certain pleasures to be rendered later so we were quickly off to the Comfort of Comfort Hotel. And boy was it comfortable. For what it is worth, I asked her how much for all night and she replied R300 (I thought the offer reasonable and did not bargain-I was not disappointed).

An awesome & active night and morning was had by all (she left at noon). As the pictures will reveal, she was not shy about showing her beautiful body except for her great (and substantial) breasts, of which she was VERY self conscious. If she only knew how much American women paid to have hooters like hers, alas she covered the lovely lumps in every photo. But they sure felt and tasted delicoso. We REALLY clicked & I got her cell number (When she left she called me “Otimo”-I asked if it meant good (“bom”) and she said “better than good”. Found out later it means something like “cool”. I fully expected to honor my promise to spend my last night in Brasil with her (my return flight was from GRU), but then Rio intervened.

Saturday dawned with amazingly blue skies (for an industrialized city of 17 million). My luck on the weather had been great so far. Had lunch with a friend while we watched MANY scantily clad stunners pass by on the sidewalk inches from our table. We flirted with a couple and they were very friendly and snuck glances back at us over their shoulders as they passed. Brazilian women, from the unlawfully young to the unnaturally old, all seem to have no compunction whatsoever about going about dressed like total sluts. God bless them!

We discussed where to go and he suggested trying Bomboa in the daytime. During the daytime, Bomboa becomes a terma where you wear robes and sandals. Not as happening as the night before, IMHO, but still not halfway bad. Same cost, BUT be advised that they close at 9 pm on Saturdays! Closed on Sundays. I ended up with a cute 21 YO blonde from Sampa with whom I had a nice time, albeit not as spectacular as with Mary Ann the night before. My friend left that night, and I used the chance to get my first real night’s sleep since arriving. It started POURING rain just as I started walking back to the hotel, so I hoped in a cab to keep from getting too drenched.

Sunday was another lovely day, and I made plans to catch the 4 pm flight to Rio from Conghonas (the domestic airport in SP which is MUCH closer to the hotel than GRU). But having the early afternoon free, I wanted to go wandering around and boy was that a fortuitous decision.

The experienced traveler knows that it is a truism to say many of the best experiences are totally unplanned and arise from happenstance. These are places or events not written up in any tourist guide. The Sunday Antique & Craft fair under and across from the MASP is just such an event. As I reached Avenida Paulista on my daily walk up the hill, I noticed 100s of small artisan booths lined up on either side of the Avenue. The diversity of items on sale was incredible, from antique jewelry, military decorations, swords, currency, silverware, scrolls, books etc, to paintings, sculpture, clothing, plants, hammocks, glass objects, music CDs, you name it and it was there. There were also many food stands offering a variety of items ranging from chow mein, feijado (Brazilian national drink), caldo do cana (sugarcane juice)to all sorts of tropical fruits. I LOATHE shopping mall shopping, but this fair is great fun for both the people watching, and for the eclectic range of items on sale.

[FWIW-After writing this I noticed that Lonely Planet has a brief mention of this craft fair, but it sounds uninteresting in the book.]

[Kinesics]

I appreciate your input and feedback. Verdict is for me to learn Portuguese and I'll try.

Vampyr,

You brought up a very good point which I'm certainly interested in keeping a semi-pro or non-pro as my local girlfriend. Granted it is largely up to me, however what would be success probability to secure one with fairly tight schedule - typically five day trip? In other words, what level of investment (time) would induce the interest from the girls?

Please recommend a few nice trendy disco clubs or bars for next trip.

[Vampyr]

The pimsleur cd's in portuguese are a real help and you can get it for a pretty good value it your buying a used set. You can also get by if you know spanish, but you will still have a hard time(still better than english, i guess). I'm sure you will find one OFF2GOLF, maybe you should also try picking up girls from the trendy local discos, or any of the local discos and bars, if you don't want to have a hardcore professional as a brasilian girlfriend, depending on your taste.

[MoonDog]

Off2golf,

Find one who speaks English as well. They are out there,and when you find one, it is a challenge and a lot of fun.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

[XXL]

here are some bits you won't find in a phrase book:

garota = girl

garota de programa = (polite phrase for) hooker

o programa = what the girl will do for money (litteraly: "the program")

cuanto custa o programa? = what will it cost me?

cual è o cachê = same as above

o cachê = the actual price, the "fee"

completa = who does anal

você è completa? = (polite phrase for) do you do anal?

boneca = transvestite who looks just like a woman

transar = to make love

camisinha = condom

transar com (sem) camisinha = fuck with (without) a condom

faz dominação? = do you do "domination"? (in brazil, this usually means the woman puts on a dildo and f**ks the man)

bumbum = butt

bumbum gostoso = nice tailend

corpo violão = hour-glass figure (litteraly: body like a guitar)

popozuda = big-butted

com cinturinha fina = thin-waisted

bater punheta = do a hand job

chupar = do a blow job

o caralho, o cacete = cock, dick

a xereca = pussy, fanny

dedo na bunda = finger in the **se

gozar = to come, to orgasm

porra = cum (slang word)

nissei = brazilian girls with asian blood

morena = brunette

loira = blonde

coroa = mature woman

ninfetinha = [CodeWord901], teen

tem identidade? = do you carry some i.d.?

of course, this still leaves the pronounciation to be negotiated. portuguese phonetics is not as straightforward as spanish phonetics.

[DogDays]

Tombs- Would l be able to get a book at the airport duty free shops that has portuguese and English phrase/passable portuguese that will help me conduct my everyday mongering bussiness while in Brazil?Please help?

[Tomb]

Off2Golf:

You need to learn portuguese... if nothing else, just to nbegotiate the arrangement, and then to keep her in line while in SP. Other than that it's a perfectly common arrangement, as always, Uncle Benjamin will pave the way....


If you want any further help, I'd be happy to discuss it "offline", my email is tombSPAMTRAP#simarchitectSPAMTRAP.com (without the SPAMTRAP, of course).

Tom B.

[Kinesics]

To all S.P. night scene experts

I would welcome your opinion or experiences on my thought below.

While I love to go out and have great time every evening, it is sometimes not possible due to various reasons - work schedule next morning, don't feel good, catching up work in the evening and the likes.

Then I conceived a thought that find a fine girl who suites me like a glove (beauty, body figure, personality, crazy about making love) and let her be my local girfriend when I visit S.P. a few times year. Of course, I'm wiiling to provide generous financial rewards to her for the service. It is outside of my concern what she does with her own time while I'm not in S.P.

If I can find a garota de programma who works part time in one of high-end clubs, this proposition may work. One whom I met at Cafe Photo about three weeks ago was part timer there. I had great time with her and she gave me her home number and mobile number and so on (it is not relevant to go into the details here). She or someone like her fits my bill.

I thought it is great for me that a beauty is readily available while being in S.P. or warms up the bed when I return from work. Then if I'm in mood to taste something different, then I move on which is an equal opportunity to the girl as well.

Only one minor problem that I can see is my inability to converse in Portuguese. Having this type or arrangement may need more that pure desire of having sex.

Has anyone done this or is this feasible for a gringo who can't speak Portuguese?

[Tomb]

Guys:

Who just had a session within the last week with Meyre Gueixa in Sao Paulo? She sent me an email today thanking me for the "referral." Damn, I should start taking a comission... well, I'll get it out of her in BJ's ;-) . Anway, whoever it was, your name is "Fr----", you are from SoCal, and of Korean descent (just to jog your memory next time you see yourself in the mirror). I'm glad you had a good time, and you owe us a trip report! Start writing, buddy! ;-)

Cheers!

Tom B.

[drew2002]

I found two good links here that have reviews of massage clinics, night clubs, independents, basically a little of everything. It is all in Portuguese, but its not impossible to find your way around. The first link also has a section with the names of all massage clinics in Sao Paulo, a link to their websites and any associated reviews. Check them out:

http://freeforum.forumgp.hostpacket.net/gpguia/phpbb2/

http://br.*************************garotasdeprograma/

I also have three questions. I will be in Sao Paulo for a couple of days after the new year - my first trip there.

1. I want to check out Cafe Foto, et. al., but hear these places are dead on the weekends. Unfortunately, I'll only be in Sao Paulo from Friday through Sunday. Should I forget about Foto and others like it if I can only go on the weekend?

2. I want to experience the 4 hands massage at Francebel, Celcenter, Advance, etc. Is it possible to pick any two girls, or are there only certain girls that will do a double massage together?

3. Finally, anyone have a recent experience with a particularly hot girl at any of the massage clinics whom they might recommend?

Thanks for the information, and I hope those links provide some fun.

Drew2002

[Athos]

CeJay
Love is a non pickup boate but music is considered the best in Sampa among garotas.
Love Story is a pickup boate where you can find left over garotas at the wee hour.

Adam
Was in Sampa recently for first time.
Yes always stay away from agencies as a general rule but do not eliminate free lancers from Malicia web site altogether.
BigJohnson and J Wadd have covered the main places for Sampa. My favorites were Bomboa and W.
I had a very good time overall in Sampa and recommend for mongering. 4 days is perfect for Sampa, you'll be busy and will want to come back for more.
Most or all hotels are garotas friendly...stay in Pinheiros, Moema or Jardims.
No need to pay more than 200R for any garota so it will require some haggling at Photo and Bahamas.
Hope you spreak some Portuguese.

[CeJay]

Adam Bomb

Thanks for answering that old question. I did not know that was Meghan Douglas (didn't know of her till now) though I should have been suspicious seeing the differing quality of the photos. My assumption is the high quality non-nude shot is MD while the the other three pictures (nude) are the brazilian girl.

My trip this year got cancelled but I remember fondly my initial trip to SP back in 2000. I did my first double with some girls from an unknown club on Rua Agusta. Took them back to my hotel the Maksoud. $50 to each girl for all night and it is true what they say about the brazian women...and I could not keep up. I was proud of the three pops I delivered but the one girl was not satisfied. The hotel presented no problem for the girls. They took their ID and charged me $10 or $15 additional.

On my return trip I was hoping to go upscale but didn't get the chance. My real question was about the clubs the "model" mentioned, Cafe Photo, L.OVE and LOVESTORY. Photo is well know but the others I have not heard about.

Have fun

CeJay

[Big Johnson]

A/B

J Wadd gave you some good places. Here are some more.

Bomboa is good. Here is their website. www.bomboa.com.br.

It is a terma like Rio. 70R entrance but it applied to your bar bill, 50R for the room or salida, and 150 - 200R to the girl. The selection is very good from Monday - Friday. Weekends are slower. My take out from here stayed from midnight until 1 PM the next day for 250R.

Francebel is a great massage. It is BYOC (Bring [and dispose] your own condom.) 100R tip will get you FS or possibly complete. The massage is about 120R. The massage is real and it always includes hand release.

Other good places are:

Club W
Romanza
The Pizzaria
Kilt

Kilt has onsite rooms and a sex show on the stage and the bar. Except for Club W, the cost will be about the same 150 - 200R. Club W costs will be 600R+.

This will give you the best action. If you are looking to go lower end, check out clubs and MPs on Rua Augusta and Santo Amaro.

Hope this helps.

[J Wadd]

Adam Bomb:

Sounds like a lot of fun. In three-four days, you can (reasonably) do it all). Though I can afford it, I don't generally stay in the nicest hotels because there seems to be less acceptance on bringing a girl back. Therefore: I stayed at Hotel Itimarati a coupla blocks up from the B of A. Unlike Rio (where you can walk around at night under reasonable security), S.Pl. is not quite as safe. I took taxis everywhere so location wasn't vital. I got this hotel out of Lonely Planet. Don't worry about a hotel too much, there're plenty of sex-motels about in every corner of S.P.

As for sex: Definitely go to Cafe Foto. It's maybe the best clubs of its kind in the world. It really is that bigtime. Also check out Bahamas.

For me, a nice plus was a vital and safe street walking scene (as scene I love). Check out my old (original) post on S.P. a few years ago for a better discussion of that.

As for the other bar/clubs, I never went to them. I was satisifed w/ Foto and the streets.

Campinas, though, does sound like fun. Next time I'm down there I'm going to hire a driver and go to that club for the evening.

Have fun and let it all roll. Great sex/accomodations in S.P. are a cinch.

One man's opinion,
JWadd