2004 General Reports

[Bambino]

Guys,

I'm getting ready for the next "deployment" to Brazil. I'm considering phone options. I will be in 3 places, so I don't want to rent, and return 3 times. What are my options?

Is there a phone with a card that works both here and in S. America?
THAT could be my only phone if it existed.

If not, I would consider buying one just for the 2-3 times per year I expect to be there.

[Fido Dido]

In Cuba it is very normal if you ask a girl for her id.

I always do and I often make a note of her id-number for my own safety.

All minors can say they are over 18 (and often they look over 18yrs)

In Brazil do girls carry an id and is it normal to ask for that?

[WoodYi]

I know this may sound nuts to some but I'm planning a trip (1st time) in early March. I will spend about 10 days and I will want to one day of rest from the ladies. Other than the typical tourist sites around Rio are there ant day trips that are worthwhile? Amazon eco tours or something like that?

Thanks

[La Isla]

Hi all,

I am looking for a 3-4 bedroom apartment in Rio with a pool, balcony and ocean view. Must have free access for multiple garotas but be secure.

Does anybody have first hand knowledge of one or can put me in contact with someone who won't rip us off? Looking for the off-season in late April, early May.

Thanks

[Bango Cheito]

1) The Brazilian law can be read as 14 or 18. As for how it's applied if you are a Brazilian, it's 14. If you are a tourist it's 18 and you better not fuck up because they would love to make a present for the media of you and throw the book at you.

2) Who the FUCK would want disgusting American food in the middle of Rio? Man, one of the things i HATE so much about the USA is the garbage we call food here! I'm dying to get Brazilian food up HERE!!

[El Austriaco]

Does anyone know how far Metro Line 1 has been extended? Are the proposed stations at Cantagalo and General Osorio open yet? Muito obrigado, DF

No, they are not open yet, and won't be in the near future. About a couple of weeks ago, I read in O Globo that they were blasting the tunnel to get to where the Cantagalo station will ultimately be located. So at this point in time, the last station in Copacabana is Siqueira Campos, although there is (free) bus service to and from General Osorio from there if you have a metro ticket.

Nada.

[Havahopeful]

as i said there was no interest in being with someone ****, as until yesterday i was under the impression that that she was about to turn 19, i will let her know that i can't see her till her birthday and check id then.

on another note it seems that this is one more reason to vote for termas and possibly agency girls as i don't think anyone of us want to risk our knowledge of brazilian id's with a girl we meet in a club unless you are abolutely certain by looking at her that she is over 18.

thanks again.

[Kenn]

havahopeful , if you get stopped by the cops and they find out you are with a 17yr. old girl you are in a world of s-it... you may not only go to jail but you may be forced to pay a fine of over $10,000.usd and never be allowed in brazil again. girls have been known to setup dumb ass tourists for money also using their age as a threat with the cops...

that is just for starters. once you arrive in the usa you will be held for the us authorities because it's against the law in the us to travel to other countries for sex with minors. you will be f-cked... you could spend time in a us jail as well have to hire a lawyer and have your name ruined.. if you lose your case, your name will be placed on the list of known ****s.

keep out of trouble and forget seeing her until she is 18 years of age………….

[Athos]

havahopeful
age of consent has nothing to do with this hobby. if you're seen with an ****, you may end up in a brasilian jail. all the terma, help and boate garotas have to be 18 to work. in the terraco in front of help, there is no check of ids. most hotels in brasil require id from garota or she does not come in. if you meet this girl from online chat, make sure to check id.

[Havahopeful]

I have been chatting with a girl I met on latin american cupid.com for 4 weeks. Her profile says she is 18, I just found out today that her 18th birthday will come 3 days after I arrive and she put 18 down because there is no other age that she could put down. In Illinois the age of consent is 17 not 18, I am in my 20s. I wanted to know what the laws in Brazil are.

The statute I found makes references to 14 -18 year olds.

This led to some concern that what should we be looking for in hobbying, as I am sure everyone knows a 17 year old dressed up in a club, can easily pass for 21-22.

I want to know what the law is to ensure I don't break it.

If the law is 14 I am certain that I would be able to tell that someone is that young without worries. If the law is 18 I am questioning what the protocal is? Do you guys card these girls? and do the escort agencies and Termas do this for you.

[El Austriaco]

Can anyone advise to the age of Consent in Brazil? I have seen conflicting information saying both 14 and 18. The distinction seems to be that if she is under 18 and not a virgin its ok so long as she is over 14 can someone confirm?

Havahopeful,

As far as I can see, this information is correct. I was wondering about this myself recently, and that' s why I did some research. Here's what the Brazilian Penal Code says (translation mine):

CHAPTER II
SEDUCTION AND CORRUPTION OF MINORS

Seduction

Art. 217 – Seducing a virgin woman less than 18 (eighteen) and more than 14 (fourteen) years of age and having sexual intercourse with her, taking advantage of her inexperience or justifiable trust:

Penalty - incarceration between two and four years.

Corruption of Minors

Art. 218 - Corrupting or facilitating the corruption of a person more than 14 (fourteen) and less than 18 (eighteen) years of age, practicing with her a libidinous act or inducing her to practice or to presence such an act:

Penalty - incarceration from one to four years.

I am not a Brazilian lawyer, but as far as I can see, this means the following:

1. Under 14, she's definitely a minor, regardless of circumstances.

2. Over 18, she's definitely not a minor, regardless of circumstances.

3. You can still be charged with seduction of a girl up to eighteen years of age as long as a) she's a virgin AND b) have intercourse with her AND c) take advantage of her inexperience or justifiable trust.

For P4P, I think that 3) above is very unlikely. Every come across a virgin provider? Plus, I think it's very unlikely that, in that case, there could be any claims of "inexperience" or "justifiable trust".

At the same time, "corruption of minors" seems to be quite a bit stricter. Not sure what to make of that one.

BTW, prostitution in and by itself is not illegal, but pimping is as well as maintaining a "place for meetings for a libidinous purpose" (again, as per the Brazilian Penal Code). This is addressed in Chapter V of the BPC: Pimping and Trafficking in Women.

Also curious as to how comfortable we are that the agencies/termas are doing their jobs with confirming age.

Good question... wondered about that myself.

El Austriaco

[Bubba Boy]

I think this applies to most people you meet in South America and don't really know well. There are alot of characters in Rio, some are the funniest guys on the planet, but I personally would not want to do business with most (actually probably all!).

One point of interest in regards to Bobby. He caught a virus about 2 months ago, which developed into a very nasty attack on his nervous system, he ended up having a stoke. I bumped into a few times a couple of weeks ago and apparently he is feeling better but still looks like he has done a couple of rounds with Mike Tyson. He is on the mend and in good spirits, only thing he really complained about was not being able to drink Vodka anymore!

[Deviant Freak]

In addition to the termas (which I love) and my non-pro brasileira gf, I am a big fan of massages, and I'm especially the 4-hands tailandesa (called Indian in some places), and I'm wondering whether anyone knows anything about any of these places:

Bia Massagem, Rua México, Centro
Centro de Lazer, Av. Maracanã 47, Maracanã
Centro de Lazer MV30, Rua Mayrink Veiga, Centro
LC Massagens, Rua Miguel Couto 105, Centro
Any of the places on http://www.destack.com.br/massagem_sensual.htm
Centro Thai (location unknown)
Rio's American Bar (http://www.destack.com/rios/)

The first four are listed on http://rio.ultimap.net/ but I have no idea where the others are. Does anyone have experience with any of these?

Thanks!

DF

[Deviant Freak]

Does anyone know how far Metro Line 1 has been extended? Are the proposed stations at Cantagalo and General Osorio open yet?

Muito obrigado,

DF

[Sal Dali]

Word has it that the guy that owns "Sweet New York" hasn't been honest in his business dealings with a bunch of guys. I've heard stories about about his stealing from Bobby (Rio4Travel), the guy that owns gringomanagement & some debacle about an ice cream place and defrauding his investors on that deal.

Since the website asks for investors, it seems that "caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware) should be the phrase of the day. (true all over Brazil)

SD