2004 Sao Paulo Reports

[Floyd Dylan]

Greetings,

I've been slogging my way through the last six months of postings, learning what's available when I'm in SP for a short time this coming week.

Seems like Millenium is the highest rated, and friendliest for a non-Portuguese-speaking gringo such as myself.

Would any mongers be up for joining me in an outing this Saturday (3/7) night?

Due to work schedule, it's really my only night to play.

I'd be happy to pay for the cab, beers, etc. in exchange for some company and help in translation.

Cheers,

Floyd

[Pimpolho]

Swinger Clubs in São Paulo

I have been with my girl in following Clubs:

Marrakesh,

As Off2Golf says, it looks like a normal bar but the rooms and all are not clean at all. The club is particularly loved by the young middle class lads, which go there with prostitutes. For this reason this club is nothing but a *****house. I guess the average age of the girls is about 25 years.

We never took part in action.

http://www.marrakesh.com.br/

Inner Club:

Like Marrakesh with dance floor, bar, etc. Additionally they have a dark labyrinth where you can go through with dark niches, cinema.
The appearance is much better and it is also cleaner. Definitely fewer prostitutes there and the most of them are real couples. The average age is probably about 30 something. We had already a lot of fun there.

The best days to go there are Friday and Saturday from 11:00 p.m. – open end. During the week they allow the singles guy to go in.
You can meet us there almost every Friday night.

http://www.innerclub.com.br/

Casal & Companhia:

Regards the cleanness it is the best club. Dance floor, swimming pool, shower and locker room. They provide bathrobes and sandals. Upstairs they have two huge beds where in each one at least 5 couples can do their business. Around the beds are sofas in case you don’t want take part on it.

The music is quite boring there and doesn’t invite you at all for dancing. Actually the only thing you can do is going upstairs. The average age is much higher then in the others clubs.

During the week the club is open but always empty. On Friday and Saturday there is nothing to do there before 11:00 p.m. The people leave latest the club at 3:00 a.m.

If you don’t speak Portuguese it might be more difficult for you because the couples like to talk there.

http://www.casalecompanhia.com.br/

[Rockin Bob]

I can't believe that somebody making a six figure income would give a girl a mere 150 reals for virtually a day. I'm definitely on a budget and I look for a bargain, but cheap like that, never. If I get to talking with a girl for more than five minutes, I feel obligated to buy her a drink for the pleasure of her company. She's doing her job.

And for a Bomboa girl all night, if I had a six figure income? 150 is an insult.

Generosity. It doesn't take much to be generous to Brazilians. The people who wait on your table, who make up your room, who help you out at the front desk, ten reals means a lot to them and it's just a couple of bucks for you.

Note that tipping is usually not expected. If anything, you'll find yourself in a situation where a cab ride might be say 12.50 and the taxi driver is happy with 12.00. In restaurants, ask if the service is included in the bill.

[Genghis Khan]

O2G,

One small correction. The club is not called Inner Room but
Inner Club.

Alameda dos Pamaris, 160 - Moema - São Paulo- SP
Telefone: 5531-4067
http://www.innerclub.com.br/

GK

[Kinesics]

GK,

If I knew what Marrakesh was like, I would have not gone there, however it was my first time in a swing club in SP and so I was OK with it. I would not go back there but would take your advice on other better places. In fact, Tony (my local staff) did like the swing club so much, he did collect substantial information on swing clubs in SP area. A couple of them are very clean, roomy, high-end clubs so both of us will be inspecting the places on my next trip.

Juliana (assumed name only used in Cafe Photo) had briedly worked there as parttime base, mainly Friday or Saturday about almost two years ago. I had met her there shortly after she had started at there and subsequently she had retired from the parttime job and since then has been on her regular job.

Since Juliana is alway around me when I'm in SP, I need to be more creative to have 'side fun' and other than that we have always had great time together.

Other than small gifts (mainly nice perfumes) she has not asked any 'out of line' requests (money, buy me something) for almost two years. And I do treat Juliana the way I would do (some times better) with my fulltime one back home. So I guess she is my girlfriend in Sao Paulo.

Thanks for your tip on InnerRoom and I'll put it on my September agenda.

Take care

[Genghis Khan]

O2G,

Nice report on Marrakesh. I have with great interest read
your reports on Juliana and have been wondering if your Juliana
might be the same Juliana that I met at Cafè Photo about a year
ago. It now seems that you have clarified that she is not as the
Juliana I met had been to Marrakesh several times and wanted
me to join her one night there too. I didn`t go with her but
went to W instead. Later I have sometimes wondered how
Marrakesh would have been like, but from your report it
didn`t seem like my kind place. A lady from W have since told
me that a swingers club called Inner Room is "classier" than
Marrakesh. Inner Room is located next door to the nice jazz
club Bourbon Street not far from Bahamas in Moema. If you
are looking for something cleaner this might be a good choice
for you. I have never been there though.

I agree with you and Moondogs point of view concerning tips
and treating the garotas nice. A cheap bastard will receive "the
cheap bastards treatment". In my opinion knowing that you are
giving these garotas what they are looking for makes me feel
better about myself too - and that is the whole point of taking
them out in the first place - isn`t it?

GK

[MoonDog]

Off2Golf,

Thanks for the info on the swinger club. Two girl experiences have been fun lately, and I might look into this more.

Not bragging about Bomboa, just having fun there. Foto is absolutely great for quality, especially on Tuesday through Thursday nights.

You mentioned

I have gotten reasonable share of flags from fellow mongers on this and other boards by having similar sentiment of yours towards working girls. Their account (which is valid from their perspectives) is that select assxxxx like me (or you Moondog) may raise price or garota’s expectations on gringos. I do agree with them that we all monger fellows should stick together to protect the market’s going prices and I’ve been practicing that. However, I’ve been stick to my stand of being generous to these girls for their superb and perfect services regardless of getting FS.

Personally, I love the return on investment with these girls. Treat them nice, and you will have a friend for life.

See you in September,

Moondog

[Pimpolho]

At Chingon:

I go frequently from São Paulo to Rio de Janeiro and I always travel by VARIG.

They go every 15 minutes and the ticket is “open” and valid for 12 month. There is no need to book your seat in advance. Just go there and if the plane is full you can take the next one. That’s pretty good because of the traffic in Sao Paulo it is quite difficult to be on time.

The VARIG one way ticket during the week cost 319R$ and for the weekend 212 R$.

The GOL ticket cost during the week between 249R$ and 269R$ (some 163R$) and on Saturday and Sunday 163R$

[Pimpolho]

At Chingon:

The Hilton Hotel ( Ipiranga Avenue, 165) ist just beside “Love Story” and very close to Kilt (5min on food)

The district you are talking about must be Higienópolis (Joanopolis is a city about 100 km from Sao Paulo). This district is indeed not far away from the Hilton Hotel and is considered as one of the best in Sao Paulo. Don’t miss the opportunity to go to the Shopping Centre Higienópolis.

[Kinesics]

Moondog,

As usual, great write-up. Enjoyed it.

A few comments on your posting – first is in the context of being smartass (I think I know you enough so that I can afford to do it right?) while second is more of editorial. So here goes.

After Bomboa brag (hahaha) could bring you and your buddies to Café Photo to kill your early evening time until you are in between J’s tits (hahaha again). The Photo would be definitely slow on Saturdays but not a bad place to kill a couple of hours.

Let’s talk about a guy (“Cheap Bastard”) who would not give anything at least for expressing his gratitude for the garotas’ efforts for a couple of hours, not to mention touching and kissing during that time. The Cheap Bastard earns good salary (six figures?) which is completely misaligned with his socioeconomic behavior which he should have shown regardless of the situation (i.e. tipping waitress for good services in a restaurant, or tipping garotas for good services). If the Cheap Bastard pays 10% tip for a waitress in a restaurant (I would not think he would give no more than 10%), the Cheap Bastard should have given some Reais to those garotas servicing him.

I have gotten reasonable share of flags from fellow mongers on this and other boards by having similar sentiment of yours towards working girls. Their account (which is valid from their perspectives) is that select assxxxx like me (or you Moondog) may raise price or garota’s expectations on gringos. I do agree with them that we all monger fellows should stick together to protect the market’s going prices and I’ve been practicing that. However, I’ve been stick to my stand of being generous to these girls for their superb and perfect services regardless of getting FS.

I would guess that most of fellow Americans or those from EU zone visiting Sao Paulo would not have to break their piggy bank to give R$50 to R$100 to garotas just for being great company for a couple of hours. After all, what they do in the clubs is their profession to earn their wage or living.

Don’t concern too much about that particular Cheap Bastard you’ve come across. What the Cheap Bastard does not know is the Cheap Bastard would not take what he has when he goes, and somebody else will spend it. I believe that the Cheap Bastard would be minority among fellow mongers in Sao Paulo.

For those who are wondering about ‘what about your next kin’ when you go, I’ve set up reasonable trusts for my kids so they are all set and I can enjoy my life when I can with my liquid assets.

Looking forward to bar hopping with you in September!

[Kinesics]

This is part of journals that I put together. Some content may not make sense as it may related to events of previous dates.

There is information about swing club - Marrakesh.

3/4/04 Thursday

Thursday was fun day for all of us.

Tony and I had another full day of work and I accomplished more than I expected. Work finished at 5:30 p.m. or so. Tony and I agreed that we deserved nice pampering. We went to Clinica Antares for massage. Traffic was worse than horrendous at 6:00 p.m., right middle of evening rush hour which was further aggravated by relentless rain. However our determined desire to be pampered was not effected in any way or fashion.

Got a drink from a refrigerator and picked a girl from the album – Leila, 25 years old, cute face, good body. Leila and I took a shower and then Leila got right down to the action. She was easy major league material on blowing and sucking my little john and balls. I let her do her pre-work for awhile and then had so-so sex. It took us to half hour and one half hour to go. She did great massage for full 30 minutes from tow to neck that indeed pampered me. I felt good after the massage. Took another shower and paid R$130.00 for full service, and we back on the road to the hotel.

While we were on the way back to the hotel, I called the executive lounge and Raquel answered. I asked her to recommend a nice restaurant near hotel and make a reservation. I called Juliana and asked her to pick up the direction to the restaurant from Raquel and come down to the lobby for dinner.

I forgot the name of the restaurant and don’t want to remember. It appeared very nice and upscale sea food restaurant. Their service was horrible and sucks as defined in the dictionary. Flight attendants serving economy class on the flight from Newark to SP were better than these boys.

One surprise Juliana (she is my girlfriend in SP) revealed to us was that she had arranged one of her friends to be with us (for Tony) tonight and she would call her to come to the restaurant if it is OK by me. I said “what a silly question! Please let her come and have dinner with us”. This made Tony happy. Amanda arrived in about 30 minutes by the time we finished our dinner. She was a fine young lady with great body - especially perfect boobs, which I inspected later and was real thing – very outgoing personality, good English skill.

We decided to go some place to listen good music and relax the rest of the night. We drove to Fasana hotel in Jardins which is one of most affluent areas in SP. We took a table at Baretta - jazz bar at first floor of the hotel. While we were enjoying nice and relaxing Jazz and drinks, Tony and Amanda were talking and came up with a great idea. Let’s check out one of swinger’s clubs in SP. I’ve heard about such clubs in SP but have not been lucky to explore one. I said let’s do it. This was everyone’s first time road trip to a swing club except Amanda.

Amanda apparently knows a couple of swing clubs in SP and she took us to Marrakesh in Moema. Entrance/cover was R$77.00 per couple. The place looks like a normal bar or restaurant. Even if after you step into the place, you would still think it is a bar with a dance floor. It has a floor layout that a small dance stage that is surrounded by tables. The place has a fair size section kept in dark behind the dance floor. There are a couple of rooms with bench chairs against the walls and these rooms are for partner swapping, having sex in public or watching others making out. It was fun to watch others making out each other or advance to others to invite them to be part of their action - kissing, touching or fucking – I saw all!

And then there are at least half dozen or so of small rooms where two people go in and have sex. Some rooms can be seen from outside through shaded window. A couple of rooms were occupied by four people and minding own business. Sitting in the orgy room and watching the action made me and Juliana horny but we refrained ourselves. There were a couple of advances to Juliana but she said no.

The place was not clean, somewhat smelly and too dark. If the place was run like more high-end swing club (i.e. locker rooms, clean and spacious rooms for couples, foursomes and orgy with beds, showers and the stuff like that), I might have partaken into action or two.

Tony and Amanda disappeared for 30 minutes or so. While we were waiting for them, Juliana and I were making out (lightly) at our table until they returned. It was about 2:30 a.m. and it is time for us to go back to the hotel. On the way out, I met a couple and had brief conversation with them. Both commended very good English. The guy turned out to be a local monger and his partner was working fulltime at Bomboa. She has very seductive look on her face and well dressed (no hint of hooker uniform), good communicator. I got the guy’s contact information and will get his girl’s information for my future trip. He said she is not his girlfriend and she invited him to be her partner for the club. I exchanged email with him once already and he would be great monger partner for my next trip.

I asked the lady about new place called Bomboa vision that was open not long ago by same owner. She said it is very small place and not as good as original Bomboa.

We got back to the hotel by 3:00 p.m. and Juliana and I had a nice session that we refrained at the swing club and fell into a coma, at least felt like it, until next morning.

[Long John 200]

Hi Chingon,

I used the Gol airline two times from Sao Paulo last fall. They seemed to have the newest equipment and good service. I think they were about $5.00 more than the Varag airline. My cost I think was $240 R.

I checked out some fares on line and it looks like $160R to go from Rio to Sao Paulo and $160R for the return. So that is about $100 US.

Booking online might also save you some money and time standing in line.

http://www.golnaweb.com.br/

[Java Man]

Speaking of a short plane ride, (from moondog's post,) can anyone give me any information about the shuttle service between Rio and SP? Specifically, which is the best airline. I believe the cost is around $80US.

HUB666:
While searching the web a found another club: Surgery Fetiche Club. The site didn't list an address, only a telephone number. Anyone ever visit this place?
Thanks again.

[MoonDog]

It had been a while since last visiting Sao Paulo, especially going out with a good friend. I hooked up with Astroglide and other friends one Saturday afternoon, and we headed out to Bomboa. We were both surprised at the quality and amount of the girls on a Saturday afternoon, as the place closes at 9:00 p.m. The buffet was going as well, and it was great time relaxing during dinner, and being surrounded by the beautiful brasileras.

Plans had already been made with my girl, J, for later that evening, but she was not due until very late. So when two girls started working on me in Bomboa, it was not long before I succumbed to their physical beauty. These two were absolutely great, draining me completely of fluid, and did not hesitate one bit with their sexual appetite. It is so funny coming back out to the bar area later, as all the girls see you coming out and they know where you have been. The little snickers and looks from the green eyes are priceless. Later the two girls joined me for a bit of relaxation, and then went on their way.

While relaxing a bit, another girl sat close, and snuggled up shortly after that. Now the two girls that I had just been with, joined in the group, and with their encouragement, I took the single girl with me for some fun. I thought I was drained from before, but it is amazing how these girls can bring out the best in a guy. Upon returning to the floor later, one of the two girls asked me if I had cum again. When she heard the answer, a big smile came across her face, and she gave me a big high five and a hug. These girls are absolutely amazing in their sexual drive, and their attitudes towards sex.

Bomboa was closing about now, so we headed out to a club to wait for J and her friend. They showed up later, along with Astroglide’s girl, so we were all paired up for the night. In the back of my mind, there was wonder about being with J as the other three girls had taken care of me quite well, but did not have to worry as she could not stay the night. It was just as well, as an early departure was set up for the next morning, and for the first time in quite a while, I slept alone in Sao Paulo. This is not to brag, but I really do enjoy waking up to a beautiful naked, slender body next to me, sleeping so soundly. It is a wonderful sight and feeling.

A short plane ride the next morning had me in another town in quick order, and with personal things taken care of, I had time for an afternoon session. Sunday afternoon, who to call? A look at the local newspaper in the classifieds had me thinking, “Sight unseen? Why not? A few numbers later, my limited Portuguese was not helping much, so I told one of the girls that I would call her back in five minutes. A call to the front desk had a bellman come up, and after translating and setting up the appointment, he left with a nice tip. She came over right on time, and although a bit on the heavy side, was dressed nice and had a nice smile. We joked around, and at first it was no kissing, no BBBJ, no photos. After she relaxed a bit, it was all fun and games. The photos are not the best, but it was a fun time with her.

Back in Sao Paulo that night, J and I hooked up and went out to a Japanese restaurant, and had a great time throughout the next day. She left in the afternoon, and after taking a walk down Rua Augusta, had to wonder why did I not go off to Bomboa again before leaving? Anyway, next time, as it was a great two days in Sao Paulo.

The only downside to the short trip was one of the guys who was with us in Bomboa the first day and later that evening was really skimpy with paying the girls. In Bomboa, he was encouraging the girls in the bar area, and although one hung around for about two hours, he was not going to pay her a dime until we made him out of common courtesy. He in no way tried to fend her off, and she was all over him as well, yet he did not want to pay her anything. He did not take her to a cabine, so maybe that was his reasoning for not parting with his money. Later that evening, the girl that he hooked up with took him home to her place to spend the night and into the next day. He only paid her R$150 for the entire evening and the next day. This is from a single guy making six figures.

I know everybody has their own views on pricing, but please encourage your friends to help the girls out in the clubs if they hang out with them for any length of time, and if they do spend the night with a nice lady and have a great time, then please put a smile on their face with a few extra $$. A few extra $$ will go a long way to making their next visit to this country or any other country a lot better.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

[Kinesics]

I've been a swing club in Moema area my last trip to SP. I have a quick-write up but have not posted on this board. I'll post it soon.