2004 Sao Paulo Reports

**Almotu** · 07-06-04 15:03

O2G,

I just want to clarify your first choice - BelFrance. Because their official website

http://www.belfrance.com.br/

Makes it location a long haul outside of Sao Paulo (I went back and looked closer at the address after my original post) I place I was hoping your description was about was . . .

http://www.francebel.com.br/

Which presented a nice large selection of girls.

Would you say that the girls available at 'BelFrance' and AdvanceVip have hotter looking girls? I agree with you that the rooms at both Antares and American Center could be better but for R$100 and R$110 cash for 1 hour of FS it is pretty good.

Thanks for your insights,

Almotu

**MoonDog** · 07-06-04 15:01

Ceylon1,

Nicely said. Kindness goes a long way in this hobby.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

**Genghis Khan** · 07-06-04 09:07

It seems the original W on Rua Alvorada has closed down.
Nostalgic memories from this place makes me feel bad
about this. I really hope someone reopens it. The relaxed
atmosphere, beautiful interiour and stunning ladies made
it one of the most upscale clubs in the city.

GK

**Kinesics** · 07-06-04 04:07

Almotu,

Even though I have not extensively explored the clinicas in SP, I think BelFrance is the best from the perspectives of facilities and quality and quantity of the lineup available. You pick a girl from many pictures of all girls posted on the walls in separate room - professionally done. "Officially" full service is banned at BelFrance and the girls at there only can provide FS strictly based on agreement between you and the girl.

Therefore, money is exchanged in the room after the business but before leaving the room. I think I paid R$140.00 for masaage which I paid at the counter when I left and gave my girl R$100.00 for FS. When she agreed to do FS, she did not mentioned what she wanted for the service. When I gave her R$100.00, she seemed quite happy.

She wanted to make sure that the front office would not know about the FS she was providing to me.

If you are not on budget, I would recommend this place.

AdvanceVIP in Brooklin area is another clinica where I had good time. Again, the place was reasonably good size and clean. This is the place where all available girls are parading before your face. You pick one of them and then she will take you to a room. Their version of FS is handjob finish. Cost of standard massage with handjob varies from R$100 to R$140 (my memory is fuzzy but around these numbers) and higher price would get you bigger and better equipped room while the service remain same.

I talked to my massage girl about my version of FS and she wanted to have R$100.00 for additional services. I did not take it as it was lunch time massage and I was planning to hook up with my SP girlfriend. As FS was not mentioned at the lobby, I assume money would be exchanged in the room.

Both places are definately better than Antares and American Center from the facility's perspecitve. I don't mind to pay a bit more for comfort and clean facility.

If you go back 9 to 12 months on this board, you may find active thread discussion and more information about clinicas in SP. Just a thought.

Enjoy it when you can.

O2G

**Almotu** · 07-05-04 17:50

Sao Paulo regulars,

I want some extra info and recommendations on the MP or 'Clinicas' scene in Sao Paulo. I have been to 'Sexdreams.com.br' and took advantage on printing out some of their promotional discount coupons to use at some of these clinicas. So far, I have only been to Antares (which I recommend highly) and American Center (so-so talent but it was 2 blocks from where I am staying so I could not resist). I would like to try the more high end ones (ie. Celcenter, FranceBel, Belfrance, etc) anyone have any recommendations? I am OK with looking at the photo book to choose the massagista but would prefer a place where the girls came out and presented themselves to you one after the other ;-) ... its like a "parade of poon" ! I have heard that at the high end places, that you have to pay the girl more $R for FS. That you are supposed to negotiate that with the girl personally. But do I give the girl the cash or do I pay at reception after? Anyone that can shed some light from personal experience would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys,

Almotu

**Almotu** · 07-05-04 17:37

Ceylon1 or should I say 'Obi-Wan' (Star Wars reference of honor)

I concur. Being nice begets GFE (sometimes but not all the time).

The story about the garota at the cheap casa? Did the mama-san charge you for the overage after finally getting out of the room? What was the name and location of said casa?

I do gifts as well but only after a few sessions with the garota first to see if the performance is worth 'sweetening'. If a GFE don't ask for $R, I always hand her the usual amount anyway ... to defuse any possible future problems ... 9 time out of 10 the GFE wont count the money in front of you (like a normal transaction). I sort of wouldn't recommend just slipping $R or gifts into her clothes or purses, I make sure that she knows I gave her something so she knows it has to be handled (ie. stashed away in her bra so the pickpockets on the bus don't get it or worst her boyfriend finds it in her purse, etc...) Only my 2 cents.

Have fun, and I am looking forward to your reports.

Almotu

**Ceylon1** · 07-05-04 07:34

Moondog & Off2Golf

I agree with both of you - & maybe a lot of other mongers !!

"Treat them nice" - see how, you are treated in return.
Then every one hour "quickie" turns into a GFE.

I usually carry a small gift, even in a terma robe - a minature bottle of perfume, a cheap necklace or earrings from Bangkok, sexy panties, or even some RRR.
I hand out the gift upfront -
remember that these are mostly young girls - and they suddenly act & change their attitude, to that of a regular young girl - no longer are they a pro or semi-pro.
The girls - jump for joy !! - hug you !! - keeps repeating, "is this for me" - many have splashed the perfume all over me.

Example - last Oct - in a Centro Rio "cheapo" casa - met a "newbe" (2nd day) from Campina Grande (Paraiba) -
Gave her a perfume bottle - look on her face said that maybe, it was her first perfume.
Paid R30 for 30 minutes - great GFE - extended the time for another 30 minutes.
Said that she could meet me on Sunday - so just tipped her another R50 - as expenses to come to my Hotel .
Arrived on time - great day at beach, dining, movie & fabuloso sexo - never asked me for RRR or gift.
Took her purse & put in R200 & put her in a taxi.
Went back to the "cheapo" casa a couple of days later - paid for 60 minutes - but 2 hours later we were still in the room , with the "mamasan" knocking on the door.
Needless to say it was GFE.

I reported on this - in the series of 17 articles, I wrote re my Oct /Nov trip in 2003.

Gentleman - those who disagree - you are welcome to flame me - but basically, I dont care a dam !!!
I march to my own drumbeat !!!

Planning a 40 day trip to Brasil, this Oct/Nov.
SP - Fortaleza - Natal - Salvador - Brasilia - Goiania - Porto Alegre - Florianapolis - Rio

Ate logo

Ceylon
WorldTraveller aka Charles

**MoonDog** · 07-04-04 15:36

To All:

My apologies for posting the wrong photo. I pulled it down, and just posted the correct website.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Moodog

**Testure** · 07-03-04 13:46

MoonDog,

The photo of the ad you have is NOT from Cafe Millenium! There is a Cafe Millenari in Brigadeiro Luíz Antonio, which is more like a strip-club with girls from Brazilian Playboy performing on a regular basis. That place I find boring, but I am certainly one of Millenium's fans.

Millenium is in the area of Aclimação and the address can be found on their site: www.cafemillenium.com.br.

**Member #4643** · 07-03-04 02:29

I think Moondog is slightly mistaken. Cafe Millenium and Cafe Millienari are different boites. Based on Moondog's reports, I went to Millenium several weeks ago, and (also thanks to Moondog) I visited Bomboa twice. The cab driver wanted to take me to Millenari instead of Millenium stating that it was much closer than Milenium (but probably because he gets a small gratuity for bringing customers there).

Incidentally, Millenium and Bomboa have a lot in common. Overall, the experience at these two boites were nearly perfect. Bomboa has the advantage of being centrally located, but the rooms are a little older and less upscale. Millenium is fantastically beautiful, but takes 25 minutes to get to by cab from midtown (eg, MASP museum in Jardins).

The cover for Millenium was 110 reals; Bomboa was 130 reals. A girl at Bomboa is "negotiable", but always was 200 reals for an hour. Two girls for an hour are 150 reals apice. A girl at Millenium was 170 reals (non negotiable), but there is a 20 real discount if you pay cash (I mistakenly paid the first gril 170 reals because I did not know about the cash discount). The rooms at each are 50 reals. Both give you 4 free drinks or 6 beers and dinner for your cover. The food is definitely better at Bomboa, but I didn't go there to eat anything but pussy. Both have lots and lots of really hot ladies. Smoking hot!

I recommend Julia (a little baby fat but incredibly great BBBJTC, beatific face, enthusiastic anal) at Bomboa and Isis at Millenium (perfect body, nice face, a little bit pro in attitude but very enthusiastic, great BBBJ and sex in all positions). Both were fantastic kissers, and both had clean good tasting DATY. Both give out their home phone numbers if you ask.

Had two girls at each location (one of my trips to Bomboa was a dupla, the other was two girls, one after the other). Spent 4-5 hours at each place. 530 reals total in each location each time (not exactly certain why it was identical in cost). This is approximately $180 US for some truly memorable evenings. About the same as going to a Knicks game with a buddy, and a 1000 X more fun!

**MoonDog** · 07-02-04 21:01

El Lobo,

The website of Cafe Millenium is:

http://www.cafemillenium.com.br

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

**Rancher Joe** · 07-02-04 13:07

First of all I want to thank you all for the great contributions you've made to this board. Keep up the great postings.

I'm going to be in SP for the first time in a couple of weeks and would appreciate any suggestions in the area of the Hyatt Hotel.

Thanks for the help.

Rancher Joe

**El Lobo** · 07-02-04 04:04

What is the web site link for Cafe Millenium?

Thanks!

El Lobo

**Kinesics** · 07-01-04 03:22

Pimpolho,

Thanks for your insight in SP's swing club scene. I will definately check Inner Club out on my next trip to SP, may be on Friday.

Would you wear name tag of "Pimpolho" so I would recognize you (just kidding).

O2G

**Kinesics** · 07-01-04 03:19

Floyd,

As you have figured it out by now, just set your expectation at right level when you go out on Saturdays as available garotas on Saturdays are substantially less than other weekdays (Wed thru Fri). Most of houses are slow but it could be your lucky day for finding your gem. I don't mean to lessen your fun spirit and rather want you to have great time with right expectation.

O2G

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