Sao Paulo Reports

[The Cane]

Again I don't have too much experience but let me know of any comparable places in the world.

I hate to break it to you, but I've been around the world and haven't discovered any place on par with Scandallo in Sampa. As I recently noted in another thread, Scandallo is pretty incomparable! That said, there are of course plenty of other venues worth experiencing that can bring you that kind of "live" excitement that Steve has spoken about in some of his posts. You mentioned many already. I would add Vive Madrid in Spain's capital and the top FKK clubs throughout Germany and Switzerland (see the relevant threads). Dubai also has lots and lots of clubs with girls from all over the world. I really like the Ruskies and found some drop dead gorgeous ones at the time in places like Premiere and Cavalli. So, there's some more suggestions. But I'm afraid you won't find another Scandallo at this time. And if you do please let us know! And I will do the same hehehe!

[The Cane]

Conclusions: Despite some incredible experiences with traveled pros, the risks for getting sick aren't worth it for me. The late nights at Scandallo eventually wear down your body.

My first trip to Brazil (and my shortest ever), was just 10 days. In that time, I lost one day of mongering due to illness after having had some sushi. I thanked God that it only lasted a day, and I bounced back quickly (and I have never eaten sushi in Brazil ever again LOL). But upon my return home, I was so sick that I literally had to take a full week off of work just to recover. I went buck wild in Rio during those 10 fateful days hahaha! A key source of me not feeling well had to do with having a sore throat. That came from all of the DFKing I had done with all of them there tutes! As the more seasoned Brazil mongers advised me, what I needed to do was gargle with Listerine regularly. I have done that religiously on every trip to Brazil since (plus made sure I got a sufficient amount of sleep) and have not gotten sick again on any mongering trip to anyplace. I gargle with the Listerine before I head out and as soon as I get back to my room (at least twice a day), and it's works like a dream! Helps to beat back all those germs from kissing on the tutes and eating that ass LOLOLOL!

[TedFerguson]

Below is my best attempt to summarize 3 months in São Paulo. The main takeaway is that sugar dating sites yielded the best results although boates like Scandallo have certain uses as well. Communication, both in Portuguese and understanding the Brazilian culture, was the differentiating factor to a good experience.

I should start by saying that I prefer reasonably stable, non-monogamous relationships where I see the same girl a few times per week. 2+ such relationships make for a good time since girls can be busy with school, family, etc. Before Brazil, I thought I preferred girls under 25 but now I realize that while more attractive sexually, as an overall experience girls over 25 are more reliable, better conversationalists and better behaved overall.

I'll break down my experiences in terms of categories below.

Local Pros: These are girls who have never left Brazil. All those I've met want to leave Brazil and work in Western Europe or Dubai. They are typically younger, less intelligent, less brave and despite being hot, provide a mediocre experience. Most of them I met at Scandallo, and one I accidentally met via the sugar dating site MeuPatrocinio. They dream, but do not execute. However, they'll happily comply with what I wanted them to do (despite not doing it well).

Traveled Pros: Girls who have worked outside Brazil. Despite being older, these girls provided the best sexual experiences of the trip. Never before tried sexual positions and an insane amount of energy. I met a few via Seeking (who worked with an agency handling their Seeking accounts) and one at Scandallo. Most of them sadly don't have any hobbies beyond partying, which makes a long-term relationship impractical. *.

The one exception to this had a perfect body, a completely submissive attitude, and an unbelievable intuition about what I wanted her to do. Sadly, she very clearly had been working a lot because after kissing her I immediately started feeling pain in my mouth and throat. We found a way to work around this, with her getting me excited by sucking on my nipples and kissing my neck (awkward maybe, but she did it with aplomb). The other important takeaway from that experience is that once you have Brazilian ass, most asses look bland by comparison from the back.

Clinica Pros: Amazing skills, poor conversation, sadly riddled with disease. I got a sore throat after seeing one and one amazing night doesn't make up for a few days of being out of commission.

Out Of Town Girls: These girls either came to work at Scandallo or on sugar dating sites for a week or so, but lived in some smaller city in Brazil. These were the worst experiences. Despite being submissive, these girls had poor skills and weren't too bright. They saw their time in the city as an opportunity to eat at fancy restaurants (serving shitty food) and me as their means to do so. I'm not a fan of micromanaging my partners or telling them no all the time, hence instant disqualification for future girls in this category.

"New" Sugar Babies: These were girls mostly met on MeuPatrocinio (which is far more populated than Seeking), who were new to Sao Paulo and sugar dating. These experiences, like the traveled pros, were among the best. Unlike the out of town girls, these girls were ambitious. They left their lives behind to get an education or a career in the big city. They were motivated, and although not as good as the traveled pros, they exceeded the local pros in bedroom skills.

One of my favorites showed me the meaning of the term "power bottom" as I stood there while her ass did all the work while I was on top of her prone, face-down body. The other came out of the bathroom completely naked and told me she likes to cum at least once a day, and if she doesn't have a man around uses her dildo. Refreshingly direct.

I fell for some of these girls and provided them with gifts in excess of a casual relationship. This was consistently an error. Instead of reciprocating, they felt more financially comfortable to spend more time with their friends.

"Experienced" Sugar Babies: These girls had prior sugar daddies, either locally or outside Brazil. Some of these girls had unreasonable expectations, like being lavished with gifts, which obviously didn't work out. Other were more casual, and understood that casual relationships don't imply gifts as do more involved relationships. I suspect the girls in this pool were here because of some personality defect, because the new sugar babies were overall much more impressive.

"Models": While a number of the other girls did some small-time modeling, the more modeling a girl did, the more it seems to inflate her ego. Having her own clothing brand is a bright orange flag. Perhaps even worse, the difference between the girl in real life and her pictures was often staggering. Photo editing hides poor skin complexion, excess fat, old age, and a frankly weird-looking face when talking. Combine this with excessive confidence and a desire to be rewarded accordingly, and these just did not work out.

Conclusions: Despite some incredible experiences with traveled pros, the risks for getting sick aren't worth it for me. The late nights at Scandallo eventually wear down your body. And anyways, a girl who has ambitions for a business or an education remains interesting longer than one who's primarily interested in drinking and traveling (as most of the pros seem to).

What ultimately impressed me most is the Brazilian female temperament. They are the least crazy of all women I've met so far. Combine that with a first-class ass, an openness to enhancing their chests, dedication to regular gym going and I might just take one of these girls back to the US with me.

Looking forward to coming back for another 3 months soon.

[GiuseppeBonera]

I was planning on going to Sao Paulo this year but prices (flight hotel) are just rediculous. Still I miss scandallo and the legendary nights I have had. It got me thinking is there anywhere in the world quite like scandallo?

Just for context I am 33 and limited mongering experience. Also being married for some of those mongering years slowed me down a bit. Still I was able to check out places through Brasil, Colombia Mexico and Germany (just Munich). And the following are compatible but just don't meet the bar set by scandallo in my opinion.

Sao Paulo.

Years ago was at café FOTO. Yes quality of girls were comparable but prices were not, nor was the quantity of girls. Also no rooms in the place had to go to hotel.

Bamboa has some comparable quality girls but new location so small don't think you can fit all the girls let alone customers on a given night at scandallo.

All other clubs I have been to (casarao, Bahamas etc.) only a handful of quality girls.

Campinas.

Only thing close to scandallo is fazendinha But in the middle of nowhere and quality and quantity varies depending on the day.

Porto alegre.

Gruta azul higher end girls with a lower price but again not enough girls. Tia Carmen also had some gems but the place a little trashy. Domino even more trashy.

Rio.

Have only spent one weekend in Rio for work and only made it to Centaurus. Have heard and read good things from 4 x4 but from research don't think this would match scandallo quality.

Bogota.

Lido similar to bamboas old location with some quality girls but too loud to negotiate and screen effectively.

Medellin.

Luna lunera is the only place I can say came close when looking at quality and quantity but still not a match for scandallo. Also the girls stripping are constantly asking for tips even if I was not watching.

Munich.

Vila romana had the quality standard but only 10 girls at any given time but all were hot. Also don't think you can take the girls out.

Mexico has yet give me a venue.

Maybe in Bangkok next month I can share some comparable places.

Again I don't have too much experience but let me know of any comparable places in the world.

[GiuseppeBonera]

I was planning on going to Brazil this year but prices (flights hotel) are just rediculous right now. It got me thinking is there anywhere in world with a club quite like scandallo?

For context I am relatively young 33 and have limited experience with mongering in Brazil Mexico Germany and Colombia. I Live in the us but I have given up on this country for mongering.

Within Brazil there are similar but not quite as good. Years ago I was at cafe photo with the same quality girls but pricier and fewer quantity. Bamboa has some good ones as well but so small don't think you could even fit All the girls let alone customers from scandallo on a given night. All other clubs I have been to in Sao Paulo only have a few scandallo quality girls if any.

In campinas is fazendinha with top girls but not all are hot and also a mixed bag depending on the day.

In porto alegre there was gruta azul and Carmens gruta azul a little higher end but nothing close to sacandalo. Have only spent one weekend with coworkers in rio only made it Centaurus which was ok. I heard and read good things about 4 x4 but from research I don't believe will match up.

In Bogota lido was very good but no where to be at ease with the girls for negotiating probably comparable to the old bamboa before it moved.

In Medellin luna lunera was probably the only other place with the consistent quality of girls as scandallo with less quantity but still decent amount of girls also had some issues girls who were stripping constantly asking for tip even if I was not watching them.

In munich villa romana also had quality girls similar to scandallo but only about 10 max on a given night and don't think you can't take the girls out.

In Mexico can't say I have seen any comparable venue. Maybe in Bangkok when I go next month I can have some context. Again I don't have the experience as some other members but please let me know of any location that I should check out in world.

[KcDark]

If you want to go to SP but it seems expensive just book Rio separate. Book a round trip to Rio. And then book a round trip to SP separately. The SP Rio round trip will be super cheap because local. When you try to book it altogether it's more expensive.

That makes sense. I am more frustrated about the price of an economy 9 hour flight. I usually get a fidgety middle isle person sitting next to me.

[Steve 9696]

I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.

If you want to go to SP but it seems expensive just book Rio separate. Book a round trip to Rio. And then book a round trip to SP separately. The SP Rio round trip will be super cheap because local. When you try to book it altogether it's more expensive.

[SoberHans69]

I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.

Yeah its annoying. I can afford it but I hate paying 60% more for the same journey. Cost of doing business I guess.

[KcDark]

Planning on going to Sao Paulo towards the end of January for two weeks but the prices of flights from the UK are crazy at the minute.

Last time I went to Rio it was around 500 but cheapest to Sao Paulo or Rio during this time is 800 plus. I went to Rio in March last time so not sure how much difference that makes.

I know flight prices are up in general bit they aren't up that much to other countries.

I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.

[UrPutter542]

Anyone know Bernard's contact info, can you please pm me?

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[Fewdie]

I noticed there are a few Scandallo girls on SA.

Nothing says you can't mix the two. I am with MiamiBoy on the SA experience being more fulfilling. You can end up with a real semi long term thing that goes beyond just sex but is NSA. I've got a few girls that I've had 6 mo + "access" to once we establish that first date or two chemistry. That said I love the clubs too.

But you can mix and match! Had an SA date in Madrid at 6 PM (turned out to be meh) and hit Vive (like a small Scandallo) at 11. Best of both worlds. No need to choose.

[Steve 9696]

I would include the sight seeing as the price of admissions, like going to the strip club. SA / Tinder / IG is not a guarantee fuck and requires some ability to communicate in Porto and the rip off factor is much larger risk. Plus I hate the photo vs in person surprise. In the club gives you some security the girl will not rip you off. If the girl really likes you then the rate is secondary to her, many times I took girls out without an agreed price and they told me they will accept whatever present I give them. That way you are guaranteed good service and she will not bounce, pay for performance setup.

Nothing says you can't mix the two. I am with MiamiBoy on the SA experience being more fulfilling. You can end up with a real semi long term thing that goes beyond just sex but is NSA. I've got a few girls that I've had 6 mo + "access" to once we establish that first date or two chemistry. That said I love the clubs too.

But you can mix and match! Had an SA date in Madrid at 6 PM (turned out to be meh) and hit Vive (like a small Scandallo) at 11. Best of both worlds. No need to choose.

[MiamiBoy1]

I would include the sight seeing as the price of admissions, like going to the strip club. SA / Tinder / IG is not a guarantee fuck and requires some ability to communicate in Porto and the rip off factor is much larger risk. Plus I hate the photo vs in person surprise. In the club gives you some security the girl will not rip you off. If the girl really likes you then the rate is secondary to her, many times I took girls out without an agreed price and they told me they will accept whatever present I give them. That way you are guaranteed good service and she will not bounce, pay for performance setup.

Sure, SA / Tinder require some time and effort, but sex is pretty much guaranteed, if you discuss what you want upfront. Unless she doesn't show up or she looks completely different in person (this is why you need to request as many photos or videos as possible, or set up a FaceTime call). In the last 2-3 years I probably had only 3 dates that did not end up having sex. If one has only a few days to spend in SP, or doesn't travel there often, boates and clinicas make much more sense. But for someone traveling there frequently or staying for extended periods of time, SA provides much better value, and better service, especially if you enjoy BBFS. I think 1000 reals is more than enough for pernoite, 500-700 to a girl, and 200-300 for dinner / drinks. And if you are an early bird or have to work in the mornings, SA dates would probably fit your schedule better because you don't have to hunt until very late or wait for a bargain price at 4:30 am. My dates usually start around 7-8 pm, 2-3 hrs dinner, then back to my place, 2-3 hrs of fun and off to sleep. 1 pop in the morning and she is good to go. But I understand we all roll differently.

[Hobbying]

I'm wondering why nobody uses Seeking / Tinder / Instagram (I haven't seen any reports) I'm sure some Scandallo girls have online presence and could be had for much lower rates if met outside of Scandallo. 2000 reals including all the fees, sounds about right. It sucks to pay that much, almost 400 USD for 1 HR of service or 1 pop. I don't count the time you spend at the club eating, drinking, etc because the ultimate goal for most of us is to fuck, not just hang out at the bar and go back to a hotel with blue balls. For me personally, 1 hour in the room is nothing, and I hate to be in a rush. Booking a girls for multiple hours would be super expensive, doesn't make any sense. Taking her out without a prior test drive could be a disaster, and also, quite expensive too. Guys need to take into account other costs. Flights, hotel, etc. Everything adds up quickly. I have said it before, if one wants a quickie with a relatively hot girl, one should visit clinicas, as they are much better value. For overnight GFE dates I would rather meet someone off Seeking or Tinder. Scandallo is a good place to just chill / drink with fellow mongers and check out the talent, collect phone numbers.

I would include the sight seeing as the price of admissions, like going to the strip club. SA / Tinder / IG is not a guarantee fuck and requires some ability to communicate in Porto and the rip off factor is much larger risk. Plus I hate the photo vs in person surprise. In the club gives you some security the girl will not rip you off. If the girl really likes you then the rate is secondary to her, many times I took girls out without an agreed price and they told me they will accept whatever present I give them. That way you are guaranteed good service and she will not bounce, pay for performance setup.

[Hobbying]

I wonder hows the quality and quantity of Scandallo now with the new prices.

Obviously there are alot of gringos there taking advantage of the exchange. Others will head to other clubs.

I was there last week and this week and noticed it was less crowded, walking through the night club section at night was easy and not super crowded.

Two things will happen, there will be more full timers so they avoid the 300 fee and freelance hot ones that know they will have no issues getting clients if they need to pay 300. And that is what I saw this week. I sampled 3 girls that were their first time there (they don't pay 300 their first time there), 2 did not know their value so they accepted 600, other one was a solid 10 and wanted 1000 which I gladly paid to test drive, felt like driving a Ferrari.

Brasil / Sao Paulo is the largest economy in Latin America, there will always be rich locals or visitors willing to splurge.