Sao Paulo Reports

[The Cane]

Not to be glib, but Sao Paulo is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Just a giant Latin American concrete jungle. Mongers rate SP highly for mongering, but not tourist amenities. But just like Rio is not Miami, Sao Paulo is not New York City.

Could not have said it better myself! But, you do know that parts of New York City stink too right? Hahaha!

[Ksa Sing]

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.

Perhaps you are in the wrong areas. Try spending time in Jardims, Itaim, Villa Nova Conceicao, Moema or Campo Belo (assuming you haven't). I've been walking around these areas. They can be very pleasant. No smells. Friendly people. Stop in at a padaria or lanchonette for a meal. The food is wholesome and cheap. I've mentioned a few decent, not overly expensive restaurants to visit in earlier posts. Last night I ate at Nagayama in Itaim. Great Japanese food. I didn't like São Paulo the first couple of times I visited. But give it a chance and explore. Learn some Portuguese. It's a really great city.

[WyattEarp]

One always has to have his wits about him and be street smart in Rio (parts of Sampa too for that matter). But, you've got to consider that the economic damage from the pandemic has made everything much, much worse. People are suffering. People are desperate to survive. And desperate times make for desperate men. So, follow that MABs garota's example folks and keep watch over your backs!

This can't be reiterated enough. Don't fall prey to thoughts like your a big guy no one is going to fuck with me. The bad people know foreigners carry around more cash than most Brazilians make in a month or two.

It sounds like many mongers here start getting high on the monger lifestyle. Perhaps they have a few drinks in them. Listen to us. Uber even short distances! Don't look at your Google map and think "well, it's only a 10 minute walk."

[WyattEarp]

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Not to be glib, but Sao Paulo is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Just a giant Latina American concrete jungle. Mongers rate SP highly for mongering, but not tourist amenities. But just like Rio is not Miami, Sao Paulo is not New York City.

Yes, it seems restaurants and bars are overpriced for the country, but you are likely staying where many of the top 10% of Brazil lives. Jardim Paulista is an affluent area with some nice commercial streets lined with cafes and such just as there are in BA. Malls also seem to be a bigger deal here than in the States.

You mentioned that both SP and BA are "riddled with obstinance". I'm not exactly sure of the choice of words. Generally, Brazilians are more flexible and friendlier than Argentinians.

[CarpeDiem305]

What are your guys favorite hotels? I've seen a few positive mentions of Bourbon Convention.

[Vagabundo1]

Go to rj.

Beaches.

You express my disdain of SP well.

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.

[The Cane]

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.

I have been to Buenos Aires a few times, stayed in some nice areas, and I recall the core of BA being really nice actually. And although I would be the first to stand up and say that Copacabana smells bad, I experienced no bad smells anywhere in Sao Paulo that I went. I've stayed in Moema each time, and felt quite safe walking around, even at night. Giant slum? No clue what you're talking about. Sampa has good parts and bad parts just like any other big city. I stay my ass in the good parts! So should you. And instead of complaining about the language, remember it's their country and not yours! The people aren't there to accommodate you. So, find a way to communicate effectively so that you can roll hard and handle your business! Brazilian people generally speaking (no pun intended) are quite friendly. Work with them, and they will work with you. I mean, I could be wrong, but initially you sound like the kind of traveler where if everything isn't the way it is back home, or something close to it, then it sucks and is no good. Enjoy the place for what it is, and what it has to offer. And in Brazil, that includes some the absolute baddest tutes in the entire world! Believe this.

[XXL]

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.

Are you sure your flight was not diverted?

[The Cane]

If you think SP is bad, wait til you check out Rio. I've never felt unsafe in SP. But everyone in Rio tells me to be careful, including the hotel receptionist and a MAB'S garota, who kept checking over her shoulder as we were walking to my hotel.

One always has to have his wits about him and be street smart in Rio (parts of Sampa too for that matter). But, you've got to consider that the economic damage from the pandemic has made everything much, much worse. People are suffering. People are desperate to survive. And desperate times make for desperate men. So, follow that MABs garota's example folks and keep watch over your backs!

[SinfullyKorean]

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much.

LOL you're here to hobby, right? And the reason you're able to hobby here for so cheap is because of the income disparity. I've been in Moema the past 2 weeks (plus Rio), and I haven't noticed a bad smell. I think I noticed some bad smell passing a neighborhood while Ubering to Connection. But you're right. SP food is pretty expensive, relative to hotel and monger prices. A good meal typically costs $15-$20. I'm sure you can find better deals, but SP is a business district.

The same goes for any SEA country. I've been to Thailand and Vietnam. Both are MUCH worse as far as odor and sanitation goes.

Everything closing early is a major inconvenience. But that's due to covid restrictions. We're lucky to even be here at all considering how high Brazil's covid numbers are.

I'm more of a go with the flow, see the silver lining type of guy by nature. But I've thoroughly enjoyed my 2 week stay in Brazil and plan on living here soon.

[ShawMan74]

This is just my first day of a week in SP, and already I don't think I like it very much. This place reminds me too too too much of Buenos Aires (I reference you to my misadventures from 2014). Nothing but riddled with obstinance. Just weird, inverted, and difficult. In general the place smells really bad, it looks like an enormous slum, can't actually walk to anywhere (no matter how well you planned where you stay), uber takes extra long because after the first guy cancels (at the last minute) traffic will delay you past double the ETA anyway, nobody speaks anything but the local portuguese spoken here (which is some slick regional dialect that defies translation), everything is banker's hours (they roll the sidewalks up at 9), and everything is almost as expensive as in the usa. At least the people are fundamentally friendly, I will give them that (owner of the apartment left me half a case of liquor). But for anything other than brutal industrialism, I'd steer well clear of this place.

Eff it. If this long-ass week is just going to be a long-ass museum and garden tour with a (secretly expensive) lunch special, than so be it. Tomorrow starts early and reports start tomorrow night.

[SinfullyKorean]

You paint a nice picture of what to expect at venues and how the negotiations and sex will go down.
Your experience with Gabriella is an interesting one that every monger should be prepared for.

That's my only goal in writing that portion of the report. I knew people would say "you shouldn't have done that", etc. If it helps one other monger out of that situation, I've achieved my goal. I like what you said about making my intentions clear. I should've done that. I didn't think I was going to session that day, and I probably should've let her know, at the very least when she mentioned her price.

I am putting together plans to come to Sao Paolo next month, with my novia from Colombia and I had a few questions.

Take a look at Global's post: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2570348.

And WorldTravel's map: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...-Sao-Paulo-Map.

They're complimentary posts. If you look up the clinicas, you'll usually be able to find a WhatsApp number listed on their sites. You can ask the managers directly. Same goes for boates. Girl on girl action here seems to be a lot more common. And my ISG buddy had 3 somes in Prime clinica for about R300. So I can't imagine BYOB (babe) will be rejected.

[Rextor]

I am putting together plans to come to Sao Paolo next month, with my novia from Colombia and I had a few questions.

1. Anyone else have experience / issues bringing a girl from Colombia to Brazil? I've read that a passport is not needed, which is great because the process to get a passport in Antioquia has been an absolute cluster fuck.

2. I plan on bringing her to boates like Scandallo or Connection. I expect I won't have a problem getting in, but should I expect to pay extra to the garota to have a threesome? And would we have to rent a double occupancy room or soemthing? Are the garotas even open to going to the room with other girls?

3. Anyone have any experience bringing another girl to a Clinica? Is that even a possibility? Or will the logistics not work out (aka room too small, outside girls not allowed to enter, etc)?

Would love to get some perspecrives on this!

[WyattEarp]

Gabriella's a shark, and it's my fault for letting her be one. She knows what kind of people are attracted to her and can probably smell newbie blood from a mile away. She has an innocent look, but the viciousness of an experienced shark. I made the mistake of telling her it was my first night. DON'T EVER TELL THEM IT'S YOUR FIRST NIGHT! Asians seem to prefer her looks. She said she's popular with Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese. She's about 5'3", barely any fat, and natural see's. She donned a light brown cashmere without a bra that accented her eraser sized nipples. We talked for a little bit. Kissing each other's faces, as I lightly fondle her breasts / nipples. She didn't object. Her English was good, one of the best I've heard in Brazil. She mentioned that some other guy wanted to talk to her, said he'd talk to her after his dinner but I'd already snatched her up. He kept looking our way. She quoted R1000 for upstairs. I countered with R500, but she told me that's only at Connection. In Scandallo, most girls don't go so low. She brought it down to R800, but I hate negotiating as it kills the mood for me. We talk for a bit more, communication is good, and I enjoy her company. So I buy her a drink. But after I buy the drink (moscow mule R80), she asks if I want to go upstairs. I tell her no. Then, she lays it on thick, saying it's rude to keep talking to a girl if you're going to decline her offer. That if you decide you're not going to take her upstairs, you should let her know. She said she lost a customer because of me. And yes, stupid me paid the simp tax: R100. I consider it my initiation fee. It won't be happening again. For me, it was worth just getting rid of her. I know it was a mistake to give her anything. I open my wallet, of course she wants more (R200). But I just give her the 100 and she leaves. I'm writing and admitting this in hopes other newbies don't repeat my mistake.

Great, great reports SK. You paint a nice picture of what to expect at venues and how the negotiations and sex will go down.

Your experience with Gabriella is an interesting one that every monger should be prepared for. One of the downsides to the SP boates is the superstars might be able to get a couple sessions a night. The rooms are right there and they can get quickly back into action. Call them sharks if you wish, but don't forget these women are running a small commercial enterprise. The really cool girls are good at creating the allusion that they like hanging out at the club entertaining strange men. It's still not reality.

Anaggie gave good advice. Tell them what you expect, what you will pay and when you are ready. She can stay if she desires, but I wouldn't tie her down without giving her a commitment. That's just me. I am always cognizant of a girl's time in a boate. I kind of learned this at Help Disco, other discos around the world and the Rio termas. Generally, I don't lock down a girl until I'm certain she's the one. If a girl entertains me in the club, I will reward her by not jumping ship at the next hot girl that comes along. There often is a reward for me in the session for my loyalty. Even at a termas, I will tell a girl I'm going to chill, but I'll be ready in an hour. Most of the time they stay or come back. Fair enough.

As I said, there seems to be more time pressure with the superstars in a boate like Scandallo.

[Global00]

Much appreciated. Thanks for all the reports and you are a lucky man to live in paradise.

You do it right. In RJ, you're 5 loads in first day, two in the prives, and then reasonable prices (391 r all in) in the tier 1 termas were solid.

Your hitting vm to pace yourself with the non pro is a good approach.

A man should never never masterbate in Brazil. When there is 12 dollar pussy 24/7 a brief uber or bus ride away, a man should never be pussy whipped.