Sao Paulo Reports

[TiaVoyage25]

Some bargain deals just aren't worth it my friend! Think of the kids resulting from such a union! They would never live it down.

Well said.

I've done a mini relationship of 25 pernoites BBFS with a tier 1 terma girl (300-500 r per).

Leasing is the right analogy.

You never want to buy a working girl. Jesus what a clusterfuck of a family.

That said the cost per fuck goes down considerably.

[I Make Sport]

Is there anything fun to do in this city on Sunday nights? Everything seems to be closed. Maybe Casarao is the only place that seems like it might be open?

[Vagabundo1]

Well said.

I've done a mini relationship of 25 pernoites BBFS with a tier 1 terma girl (300-500 r per).

Leasing is the right analogy.

You never want to buy a working girl. Jesus what a clusterfuck of a family.

That said the cost per fuck goes down considerably.

Gentlemen,

I am back from the abyss (temporarily) for some small commentary. I was almost able to pull off a trip to Brazil in a couple weeks, but will be going to Colombia instead.

Nonetheless, I would like to chime in about pernoite. As a general rule, I don't do pernoite because I'm not interested in getting it with the same girl more than once if I'm paying. That's what girlfriends are for (personal preference of course). BUT, the one time I did pernoite in Scandallo the girl's vag smelled like death. That is just my luck for not giving it a test run in the hotel above the venue. Horrible experience, but since I'm a nice guy I made up a story about why she had to leave. Feel free to read all about it from my trip reports last summer. I get that this is a rental car business and that you can't test ride before you get a rental car, but I consider pernoite a lease. I will absolutely test drive a vehicle before I lease it. And the golden rule of this hobby gentlemen. Never buy.

[MixedSalad07]

Anyone saw that fight at Scandallo last week between some girls over a client?

Yes. Is that what it was? Over a client? For everyone else, it was in the restaurant. It wasn't a fist fight, I just heard a glass break, some squealing, and one girl cry inconsolably. Security got their asses out of there with the quickness.

[TiaVoyage25]

Gentlemen,

I am back from the abyss (temporarily) for some small commentary. I was almost able to pull off a trip to Brazil in a couple weeks, but will be going to Colombia instead.

Nonetheless, I would like to chime in about pernoite. As a general rule, I don't do pernoite because I'm not interested in getting it with the same girl more than once if I'm paying. That's what girlfriends are for (personal preference of course). BUT, the one time I did pernoite in Scandallo the girl's vag smelled like death. That is just my luck for not giving it a test run in the hotel above the venue. Horrible experience, but since I'm a nice guy I made up a story about why she had to leave. Feel free to read all about it from my trip reports last summer. I get that this is a rental car business and that you can't test ride before you get a rental car, but I consider pernoite a lease. I will absolutely test drive a vehicle before I lease it. And the golden rule of this hobby gentlemen. Never buy.

Anyway, that isn't meant to slander Scandallo's name at all. The place is paradise on earth. I'll be back this summer for quite a while to enjoy that experience. Until then, keep up the good fight.

Tia.

[EverythingBlue]

I've been catching up on some reading while waiting for my date tonight. I'm on the ground but in Montreal, man the potential here is huge! Anyhow, I think I agree with the camp that says what you pay is worth it to you if you have a great time. Would some others get a bargain at other places or if they speak Porto? Maybe, but to me, I've paid 1500 consistently for my pernoites and have not been disappointed or got bad service. Heck, in two I got BBFS for the same cost. Scandallo is no doubt the place to be.

For comparison, I've sessioned with 8 girls this week so far, and the cost of a pernoite in Brazil would only get me 1. 5 h of fun here. So hell yeah it's worth it. Even at 2000-2500 it's still worth it. I have a dinner date with a girl I sessioned with this week and hopefully spend the night after, we have not discussed any money, but I expect to give her some afterwards.

I never felt the need to try a girl in Scandallo prior to doing a pernoite, I guess I trusted my instincts every time and they didn't fail me. I only visited Rj once and I think Termas are a nice change of pace but I'm a Scandallo fan, I hope to be back later this year, once I'm done banging all the hotties I can here in Montreal.

[Fewdie]

Anyone saw that fight at Scandallo last week between some girls over a client?

[MixedSalad07]

Just wrapped up a trip. 5 pernoites: 3 from Scandallo, one from Connections, and one from 57.

Prices ranged from 800 - 1500 $.

Had one social media influencer via a connection for 2000 $.

Did one clinica run at Aboborra which has yet to disappoint me.

I'm not going to go super in depth on this report, but the experiences were diverse and satisfying. Got CBJ with on one of the pernoites, but that was on me too because I didn't verify.

Stay safe.

[MixedSalad07]

For folks, who have been to Colombia and Brazil (SP / Rio) - which place is better for mongering.

My priority is (in that order).

- Safety as solo traveller and lack of local language knowledge.

- Easy to navigate mongering hobby.

- Quality of girls (white skin, hottie).

Safety: I feel like a WG is more likely to rob you in Colombia than Brazil. General safety will vary by city.

Navigate: Brazil. It's hard to get bad service there.

Quality: Subjective. You can't go wrong with either place.

[MiamiBoy1]

R2000-2500 might be some of their opening asking prices, but I've never had a problem paying between R1000 to R1500 in the end.

If you are including entrance fees, consumption and exit fee, I think you are being disingenuous. Those have their own perks and has nothing to do with cost for spending the night with a girl. There has been times I have went with friends and decided to go home empty handed and didn't feel "ripped off". The entry fee gave me the chance to interact with lots of hotties in an easy environment.

The entrance is for the facilities use. The consumption is for drinks and food. The room fee is for use of the room and shower and the exit fee is to have her go home with you then and there rather than get her number for a later hookup. Instant satisfaction rather than delayed gratification. It is the same as in RJ tier 1 Termas. Do you include the entrance fee, consumption, room fee or exit fee when calculating how much you are paying for the girl to spend the night?

I have found getting numbers for takeout to be harder in RJ tier 1 termas (4 x4 was the exception) as many of the clubs don't allow a girl to give their number to a guy out in the open or even have their phone on them. It has to be done in a room. Or so they claim. Maybe I've been tricked by many of those girls. Who knows. But in Scandallo, I've had no issues getting numbers from girls for another day,/ night.

Is R1000 to R1500 (what I usually pay for an overnight) or R2000 to 2500 (what some girls ask for, but might or might not get from other guys) pricey for Brazil? That is a subjective question.

I can go to other clubs (cafe photo, connections, bamboa, etc.) and have pulled girls for overnights at each of those clubs for a little less than Scandallo. However, I've gotten burned a few times at each club as I found nothing I wanted and ended up leaving after 30 mim. As I was on the hook for the entrance fee / minimum consumption, I ended up having a very very expensive (R250 to R350 depending on the club) Coke, Red Bull or beer! I've never had that problem at Scandallo. It's easier to count girls I DON'T want than girls that I do. As my brain would get overwhelmed doing the latter at Scandallo!

I can also get a clinica girl for R4-700 for overnight and have done so on a few occasions. I can go to VM in RJ and pull one for even less. But are they on the same level as the girl I will be pulling from Scandallo? Almost certainly not.

I am not just talking about looks here, but their demeanor, education, the way they carry themselves. Their confidence, etc. Many of them are doctors, lawyers, nurses, real models, other professionals. I like to take a girl on dinner dates at nice places and I want the girl to not just look the part, but act the part in that environment.

Scandallo might be high end, but there are even higher end girls. Your print model girls, celebrities, social media influencers, etc. All available on the down low, in the "pink book" or requiring special connect / introduction. Girls that have seen so much of the world by 19 or 20 and used to be wisked away to the French Alps, Paris, Tulum, Maldives, etc. On a regular basis. Those girls ask and easily get 2-4 x Scandallo prices and stay at 5 star accomodations, go on luxury shopping trips, etc.

I've sampled some of these super high end girls, but I am not rich enough or baller enough to see those girls on the regular. Many other guys are rich enough and I totally envy them, I also root them on! I certainly don't think "Man. There guys are ruining my market, etc. ". There is a lane and comfort level for everyone, both girls and guys.

So to finally answer your question of "Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil?

For me, Nope! DEFINITELY NOT!

Girls for hobbying at all end of the spectrum are bargains in Brazil, especially due to the strong Dollar, Euro, Pound, etc. The same would cost 3-10 x more on the US, whether you are going after a clinica romp or a boates overnight.

You mentioned an overnight at Scandallo is costly "That's 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. ". For a hot high end escort in the US, an overnight would be $2 k to $5 k USD. Depending on which city. As I am from NYC, it skews toward the higher end. And you are adding other fees and F&be consumption that has nothing to do with a girl's price. I wouldn't add dinner cost and hotel cost and taxi cost or room service cost to what I pay an escort in the US for an overnight.

I also Iove Brazilian hooker math. It is so much better compared to the US. In the US. 2 hrs is double the hourly rate and each hour after that has minor discount, where you might be paying 10 x hourly rate for 12 or 14 hours together. In Brazil, if a girl charged R500 for 1 HR, she would be fine with R700 for 2 or 3 hours and R1000 to R1200 for overnight of 10+ hours!

To put it another way. I can pay R1000 to 1500 for a super hot Scandallo girl for 10-16 hrs to hang with, dine with, fuck with. That same amount in equivalent USD would barely get me 30-60 minutes at a NYC AMP, our version of a SP clinica. And if I want a clinica girl, I can do to one for R150 to R250, which is only USD $30-50!

Who says you can't test drive a Scandallo girl? You can take them for 1 hour for R5-700 in club.

I just usually choose not to as 1) I get better value due to Brazilian hooker math for multiple hours or overnights back at my nice hotel room and 2) I believe in my ability to read and charm a girl. The Scandallo environment is perfect for talking and checking out your chemistry with a girl. You can discuss what you and her like in bed, her rules or boundaries, her kinks and fetishes, etc. You certainly can't do that at a clinica, casa, brothel, etc.

As for non pro vs pro, I disagree. Many of the girls at Scandallo are very part time. Even the regulars, they are women, perhaps with a bigger wall erected. Whether it's me vetting then well or we just had good chemistry or me just treating them with respect and generousity And they dropped their wall and wanted to return the favor. I've had some of the most passionate, true GFE, PSE, whirlwind / tornado / hurricane like sex with Scandallo girls in overnights.

Non pros with little experience in bed can't compete with a pro who knows all the tricks of pleasuring you. Especially when they Ike you and just treat you as a regular guy that they want to fuck the shit out of or make super slow sensual and passionate love to!

Thank you for the response!

I normally do not count hotels / wine&dine / taxi expenses, because they are optional and vary a lot. One night we could wine and dine at a fancy restaurant, another night we could stay in, watching Netflix and having Rappi for dinner. Really depends on my and my girl's mood, day of the week, weather conditions, etc. The reason I had included those fees is because they are mandatory and imposed by the establishment, there is no way to skip or reduce the fees. As to the test drive, sure, you can get a girl for 1 hour, but is doesn't make much sense, because her performance in the room could be very different, usually much worse, than the service she would provide outside of the club. And the price for 1 HR could easily be around 1000 R, including the room, so yeah, I agree with you, it makes much more sense, financially, to take a girl out for pernoite. In that case, you take on a bigger risk, but your reward could be higher as well.

You mentioned 2000-2500 opening asking rates, I don't think everyone can negotiate and bring those rates down to 1000-1500, that is a 50% discount. I have read reports where guys paid north of 2000 for pernoites. I guess it depends on how popular a girl is, how a monger looks, his interpersonal and negotiating skills. I'm sure some of us would pay full asking price without giving it a second thought.

[SocratesNY]

How do you guys justify these prices? A pernoite with a Scandallo girl is 2000 R-2500 R easy, including the entrance fee, take out fee, etc. Thats 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate.

R2000-2500 might be some of their opening asking prices, but I've never had a problem paying between R1000 to R1500 in the end.

If you are including entrance fees, consumption and exit fee, I think you are being disingenuous. Those have their own perks and has nothing to do with cost for spending the night with a girl. There has been times I have went with friends and decided to go home empty handed and didn't feel "ripped off". The entry fee gave me the chance to interact with lots of hotties in an easy environment.

The entrance is for the facilities use. The consumption is for drinks and food. The room fee is for use of the room and shower and the exit fee is to have her go home with you then and there rather than get her number for a later hookup. Instant satisfaction rather than delayed gratification. It is the same as in RJ tier 1 Termas. Do you include the entrance fee, consumption, room fee or exit fee when calculating how much you are paying for the girl to spend the night?

I have found getting numbers for takeout to be harder in RJ tier 1 termas (4 x4 was the exception) as many of the clubs don't allow a girl to give their number to a guy out in the open or even have their phone on them. It has to be done in a room. Or so they claim. Maybe I've been tricked by many of those girls. Who knows. But in Scandallo, I've had no issues getting numbers from girls for another day,/ night.

Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil?

Is R1000 to R1500 (what I usually pay for an overnight) or R2000 to 2500 (what some girls ask for, but might or might not get from other guys) pricey for Brazil? That is a subjective question.

I can go to other clubs (cafe photo, connections, bamboa, etc.) and have pulled girls for overnights at each of those clubs for a little less than Scandallo. However, I've gotten burned a few times at each club as I found nothing I wanted and ended up leaving after 30 mim. As I was on the hook for the entrance fee / minimum consumption, I ended up having a very very expensive (R250 to R350 depending on the club) Coke, Red Bull or beer! I've never had that problem at Scandallo. It's easier to count girls I DON'T want than girls that I do. As my brain would get overwhelmed doing the latter at Scandallo!

I can also get a clinica girl for R4-700 for overnight and have done so on a few occasions. I can go to VM in RJ and pull one for even less. But are they on the same level as the girl I will be pulling from Scandallo? Almost certainly not.

I am not just talking about looks here, but their demeanor, education, the way they carry themselves. Their confidence, etc. Many of them are doctors, lawyers, nurses, real models, other professionals. I like to take a girl on dinner dates at nice places and I want the girl to not just look the part, but act the part in that environment.

Scandallo might be high end, but there are even higher end girls. Your print model girls, celebrities, social media influencers, etc. All available on the down low, in the "pink book" or requiring special connect / introduction. Girls that have seen so much of the world by 19 or 20 and used to be wisked away to the French Alps, Paris, Tulum, Maldives, etc. On a regular basis. Those girls ask and easily get 2-4 x Scandallo prices and stay at 5 star accomodations, go on luxury shopping trips, etc.

I've sampled some of these super high end girls, but I am not rich enough or baller enough to see those girls on the regular. Many other guys are rich enough and I totally envy them, I also root them on! I certainly don't think "Man. There guys are ruining my market, etc. ". There is a lane and comfort level for everyone, both girls and guys.

So to finally answer your question of "Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil?

For me, Nope! DEFINITELY NOT!

Girls for hobbying at all end of the spectrum are bargains in Brazil, especially due to the strong Dollar, Euro, Pound, etc. The same would cost 3-10 x more on the US, whether you are going after a clinica romp or a boates overnight.

You mentioned an overnight at Scandallo is costly "That's 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. ". For a hot high end escort in the US, an overnight would be $2 k to $5 k USD. Depending on which city. As I am from NYC, it skews toward the higher end. And you are adding other fees and F&be consumption that has nothing to do with a girl's price. I wouldn't add dinner cost and hotel cost and taxi cost or room service cost to what I pay an escort in the US for an overnight.

I also Iove Brazilian hooker math. It is so much better compared to the US. In the US. 2 hrs is double the hourly rate and each hour after that has minor discount, where you might be paying 10 x hourly rate for 12 or 14 hours together. In Brazil, if a girl charged R500 for 1 HR, she would be fine with R700 for 2 or 3 hours and R1000 to R1200 for overnight of 10+ hours!

To put it another way. I can pay R1000 to 1500 for a super hot Scandallo girl for 10-16 hrs to hang with, dine with, fuck with. That same amount in equivalent USD would barely get me 30-60 minutes at a NYC AMP, our version of a SP clinica. And if I want a clinica girl, I can do to one for R150 to R250, which is only USD $30-50!

Also, you can't test drive a girl before you agree on the price, so you have no idea how she will perform in bed. These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. Service is always a gamble, but in case of Scandallo, a very pricey one. In Colombia you can fuck the hottest girls for $100-$200 USD. In Rio probably the same price range, up to 1000 R pernoite. So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?

Who says you can't test drive a Scandallo girl? You can take them for 1 hour for R5-700 in club.

I just usually choose not to as 1) I get better value due to Brazilian hooker math for multiple hours or overnights back at my nice hotel room and 2) I believe in my ability to read and charm a girl. The Scandallo environment is perfect for talking and checking out your chemistry with a girl. You can discuss what you and her like in bed, her rules or boundaries, her kinks and fetishes, etc. You certainly can't do that at a clinica, casa, brothel, etc.

As for non pro vs pro, I disagree. Many of the girls at Scandallo are very part time. Even the regulars, they are women, perhaps with a bigger wall erected. Whether it's me vetting then well or we just had good chemistry or me just treating them with respect and generousity And they dropped their wall and wanted to return the favor. I've had some of the most passionate, true GFE, PSE, whirlwind / tornado / hurricane like sex with Scandallo girls in overnights.

Non pros with little experience in bed can't compete with a pro who knows all the tricks of pleasuring you. Especially when they Ike you and just treat you as a regular guy that they want to fuck the shit out of or make super slow sensual and passionate love to!

[Anaggie]

How do you guys justify these prices? A pernoite with a Scandallo girl is 2000 R-2500 R easy, including the entrance fee, take out fee, etc. Thats 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil? Also, you can't test drive a girl before you agree on the price, so you have no idea how she will perform in bed. These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. Service is always a gamble, but in case of Scandallo, a very pricey one. In Colombia you can fuck the hottest girls for $100-$200 USD. In Rio probably the same price range, up to 1000 R pernoite. So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?

How does one justify spending $300 for an Michelin star quality meal? How does one justify buying a Mercedes / BMW vs a Ford / Chevy? There are no justifications or explanations required.

Like AH said below, the quality of the girls at Scandello consistently beats the quality of any RJ terma or boate. There isn't a comparison.

Speaking for myself, I follow a simple rule. If I am going to monger, I am going to get pussy that is way hotter than what I have at home or in my town. This will probably cost me more but it is an indulgence every few months just like a Michelin star meal. Now, there are guys who are perfectly fine with "two tits, a hole and a heartbeat. Heartbeat optional" quality. Nothing wrong with that either. To each his own.

[Axel Heyst]

How do you guys justify these prices? A pernoite with a Scandallo girl is 2000 R-2500 R easy, including the entrance fee, take out fee, etc. Thats 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil? Also, you can't test drive a girl before you agree on the price, so you have no idea how she will perform in bed. These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. Service is always a gamble, but in case of Scandallo, a very pricey one. In Colombia you can fuck the hottest girls for $100-$200 USD. In Rio probably the same price range, up to 1000 R pernoite. So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?

1st I don't justify nothing. Each of us are different. Our commonality lies in the fact that we are all men trying to maximize our pleasures given our personal preferences and our individual financial constraints.

Where to start? Expenditures: some guys on principle will not spend more than 300 br for a pernoite for whatever reason, who cares, and some guys are willing to spend a whole lot more, again who cares?

Quality: its in the eye of the beholder, man. What can I say? I have seen guys with girls I would not fuck blindfolded, and yet they are having a great time and think they are with a hot tamale. Conversely, I know some guys would not think too highly of my slender, small tit / small ass preferences. Who cares?

"So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?" I think that is a rhetorical question on your part because I think you have already made up your mind on this and you prefer the Termas and RJ. But here is my answer anyway: IMHO, the best looking girls that I have seen & shagged in RJ Termas are in the 6 range of Scandallo girls. That does not mean I am not attracted to some Terma girls and I do not have a good time at the Termas because I do. It just means that on an average night I find better lookers and in larger numbers in Scandallo than in any RJ Terma that I know of. I also prefer the classy nightclub ambiance that Scandallo has over the Termas, although I need variety too, so I like to have fun in the Termas as well. My nights would soon seem repetitious if I only went to Scandallo and the other SP Boates or If I only travelled to Brazil and shagged Brazilian girls exclusively.

Pro vs Amateur: "These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. " I won't argue with you over who provides the best sex: pros or amateurs. Let's assume that you are right. I still prefer hookers because at this stage in my life I don't want the emotional baggage that comes with a non-professional relationship. You pay no matter which type of girl you are with. I prefer a straight up $$$ transaction that's all and yet many of my repeat girls give me solid GFE and we have stayed in touch for years and years. I have this Thai girl that I met in 2009 when she was 22 and the sexiest little girl in Baccara. She is no longer Go Go quality, that's life, but I like her so we continue to see each other. That is a GFE.

On LT ie the pereonite: I think you make a valid point with "you have no idea how she will perform in bed" But so far, knock on wood, I have not had a bad session in a SP Boate, Clinica, or RJ Terma, although quality does vary from "that was pretty good" to "OMG, that was fucking amazing". KKK. For this reason, I never commit to a LT session until I have sampled a girl's ST and discover I really want to spend a whole night with HER.

So, when I go to Scandallo or the other SP Boates or a RJ Terma, I like to shag in-house when I first meet a girl. Then afterwards I like to hang around with the girl if everything was really good and I like her. If the feeling is mutual we exchange What's App numbers so we can set up a meet at her apartment or my hotel for next time. Or I like to hang around the club solo and see who else is available for a possible 2nd in-house round. So yeah, the Boate tab or the Terma tab for that matter can get large, KKK. You do the math: Scandallo entry fee, room charge, girl #1, drinks, then more drinks, room charge, girl #2. But I am having a great time with some smoking hot girls and frankly I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about that. LOL.

Anyhow, the bottom line for me is the nightlife is better in SP for the reasons I gave, namely the best looking girls, although I like RJ too just not as much. Ha Ha. But as I said at the top of this post, "we are all men trying to maximize our pleasure given our personal preferences and our individual financial constraints. " You do it your way and I will do it mine and we will get along fine.

A. H.

[Combo]

For folks, who have been to Colombia and Brazil (SP / Rio) - which place is better for mongering.

I just got back from Brazil and this was my first ever "mongering" trip and boy I totally loved it. So here I am planning my next trip already. However, Brazil is a 16 hours flight for me so I am considering Columbia which is 10 hours flight.

Anyone been to both Brazil and Colombia that can give me some comparisons? I am not too much worried about some marginal difference in living or sex cost.

My priority is (in that order).

- Safety as solo traveller and lack of local language knowledge.

- Easy to navigate mongering hobby.

- Quality of girls (white skin, hottie).

Have been to both countries dozens of times. I give Brasil the edge for this hobby, as the women just tend to be wilder. Having said that, Colombia is about half the travel time for me as Brasil and I also speak Spanish much better than Portuguese. So Colombia has its advantages.

Both countries can be dangerous, but if you watch yourself you're generally ok. I've had close calls in both, but escaped unscathed.

I prefer morenas, but you can find light skin girls in both countries. In Brasil, SP has more than Rio and the South of the country has even more. In Colombia, stay inland for the Blancas.

[MiamiBoy1]

Thanks for the report!

Scandallo is truly heaven on earth for hobbying. I just finished a week long trip myself (I landed shortly after you left) and agree with your sentiments 100%. I will post my trip reports in the next day or 2.

I am curious about additional details about your BBFS negotiations with Scandallo girls. 1) Did you negotiate it before leaving the club or after while in the room? 2). Were all your sessions 1 hour at the adjacent hotel or did you take any girls back to your hotel for an overnight? 3) did you offer or did the girls ask extra $$ for BBFS?

I've had my fair share of success negotiating BBFS, but I usually broach the subject back in my hotel room rather than at the club. I would like to hear your experience so I can get additional data points.

It just appears to me that they are more agreeable when in the comforts of my hotel room, with music, wine and snacks, etc. Setting the mood. But if one wants to be sure they are getting it, having it negotiated before leaving the club is necessary.

You mentioned typical 1 HR at Scandallo was R500-700. Was that their opening offers or what you finally settled on after negotiations?

I have found during my last 2 trips, the girls are asking for more than last year. But I generally do overnight, so I was hearing lots of R2 k to R3 k for overnight my last 2 trips, while last year, I was hearing lots of R2 k to 1. 5 k for overnights. I still end up talking down to R1 k to 1. 5 k without much issues.

How do you guys justify these prices? A pernoite with a Scandallo girl is 2000 R-2500 R easy, including the entrance fee, take out fee, etc. Thats 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil? Also, you can't test drive a girl before you agree on the price, so you have no idea how she will perform in bed. These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. Service is always a gamble, but in case of Scandallo, a very pricey one. In Colombia you can fuck the hottest girls for $100-$200 USD. In Rio probably the same price range, up to 1000 R pernoite. So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?