Sao Paulo Reports

[Golfinho]

Some will not accept 10 k. They ask 500 per hour, some even 1000, so they will not accept 10 k, There is a sort of price cartel. If a girl has friends asking 500, she will ask 500, no matter what. If she thinks she is in that range, that is what a girl is asking. They want to be paid exactly what they ask. Some are more intelligent, they compromise, but some are really stupid.

In a situation as you describe, the strategy (if you really want the girl) is to not dispute, bicker, or negotiate her price: accept and agree she needs to be paid exactly what she asks. And then, you tell her the level and type of service that you will accept for her price. At that point, you can either negotiate price or in the face of stubborn stupidity, always simply walk away. Admittedly, I'm not someone who negotiates, that's more the realm of the hardcore johns.

[Incrociatore]

Yes, it happened. I met her on Tinder. One thing I noticed is that Tinder is much more serious than in Europe. I mean, my age on Tinder is 35 (I'm older but I do look in my 30). In Europe I do match with young girl, even in their early 20. In Brazil I do not. I do match only with girls around 30. In Europe, I do match with younger girls, mostly interested in my money. Some looking for a fine dinner or gifts. A lot of girls with OnlyFans or SnapChat in Europe, here in Brazil, no one. You just match with girls you do effectively have a chance. And they do swap on you because they like you.

So, this girl is 32, definitely attractive. She is about to get a boob job, because they all do, soon or later. Impressive how many girls have silicon boobs here, even more than in Colombia. Girls in Sao Paulo are much more beautiful than Colombians. I think Brazil comes first in the world, maybe it's even better than Russia or Ukraine. On average, I mean, there are so many hot girls you don't find anywhere else.

Let's speak about the freebie. We spoke a bit on Tinder, then we moved on WhatsApp, good chemistry, then she asked me for a video call. We met the day after in front of the MASP museum. We immediately kissed, like immediately. She slept two days in a row at my place, basically she didn't leave me for two days, then I had enough, and I sent her home. Since I'm working I told her I didn't have time. I'm going to see her again. Compared to the girls I do pay, this one was so much more into it, because she really likes me. She is really emotional, she even cried once.

I should meet another girl tomorrow, this one as well I met on Tinder. I got to know one other in a shopping center, got her number, she messaged me, but then she didn't meet me. Now, just to be clear, I do look much younger, but I'm not that attractive, so it's still possible to get a freebie in Brazil, and it's much better than a girl you pay. I should have tried before. I do speak Spanish a bit, but my Portuguese sucks. To hit on a girl I need to find the right moment. If there are people around I don't go for it, I don't like to be rejected, so I'm not even so good at pick-up girls. I mean, if I can pick up, everyone else can, as long as you have a bit of courage, and you don't look like Quasimodo.

For the first 2 weeks I didn't even use Tinder, then I tried and since it's a shitty app, it fucked up my profile and I lost my contacts. So I have uninstalled the app. Only 10 days ago I started to use it again. Fuck me. Anyway, I have approached a few girls, and they are all very friendly, much more than in Colombia, especially when I tell them where I'm from. Unfortunately I'm working now, so I don't have much time, but I'm sure I could have fucked for free a few girls if my focus was Tinder.

[Incrociatore]

Especially girls that speaks English which I usually stay away from now I speak porto LOL.

Many girls still have dreams of living in the US so those girls will "like" you more and should ask for less for a programa.

Most girls in boates that are hot make well over 10 k reais a month and is the amount most will ask for to not work anymore. But if she really likes you, she will accept any amount.

Some will not accept 10 k. They ask 500 per hour, some even 1000, so they will not accept 10 k, because they do much more. There is a sort of price cartel. If a girl has friends asking 500, she will ask 500, no matter what. If she thinks she is in that range, that is what she is going to ask. One thing I noticed is that they are stubborn. They do renounce to a potential client because of 50 or even 20 reais. I mean, if a girl is asking 500 + Uber, which is maybe 30/40 reais total, and you offer 500 transport included, the girl will say no. They want to be paid exactly what they ask. Some are more intelligent, they compromise, but some are really stupid.

[Stranger]

Steve,

You still had more fun than most do in a lifetime and are legend on this board!

And no, trust me it is not only in Brazil!!

Rock on!!

Stranger.

[Turgid]

The Chinese government cracked down hard on Changping / Dongquan before I could make a visit. It looked amazing. It probably rivaled Bangkok / Pattaya in its heyday. The growing notoriety of this Southern sex paradise clearly pissed off the Northern spoilsports.

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In tabulating my trips between the years 2000 and 2010 I have made the most to Chang Ping, followed by Singapore, then Buenos Aires, Argentina and fourth Germany. My trips to Thailand and Brazil were less. This correlates to my comparison of the destinations. So in almost one fell swoop my three favorite destinations were no more. My current three favorites are Germany, Thailand and Brazil in that order. The demise of covid 19 can't come soon enough for me to resume partaking.

[Hobbying]

Yes, it seems Brazilian working girls can be "genuinely" into you. I think they are very into having fun in the moment with whoever and wherever which makes for a great vibe and great sex. Lastly, it's not so unusual for an attractive young Brasilian working girl to partner with an affluent foreign man. Many have friends or acquaintances living in Europe and North America with husbands or boyfriends. Yes, it's the "Pretty Woman" dream.

Especially girls that speaks English which I usually stay away from now I speak porto LOL.

Many girls still have dreams of living in the US so those girls will "like" you more and should ask for less for a programa.

Most girls in boates that are hot make well over 10 k reais a month and is the amount most will ask for to not work anymore. But if she really likes you, she will accept any amount.

[Steve 9696]

The Chinese government cracked down hard on Changping / Dongquan before I could make a visit. It looked amazing. It probably rivaled Bangkok / Pattaya in its heyday. The growing notoriety of this Southern sex paradise clearly pissed off the Northern spoilsports.

Yes, it seems Brazilian working girls can be "genuinely" into you. I think they are very into having fun in the moment with whoever and wherever which makes for a great vibe and great sex. Lastly, it's not so unusual for an attractive young Brasilian working girl to partner with an affluent foreign man. Many have friends or acquaintances living in Europe and North America with husbands or boyfriends. Yes, it's the "Pretty Woman" dream.

Yeah they are different. So those that don't recall Thifany was the girl I fell for in a Boate in Campinas. Fucked her twice. Once solo and once with her friend. We got on so well I flew her to London and it remains the best week of my life.

When we got back home we started planning another meetup but after 3 months she ghosts me and I am devastated. Another 3 months go by and I happen upon her Instagram and we get back in touch. She says she's engaged to be married. Boo.

It's bittersweet because I care for her and wish her the best of luck. She comes back with (in Portuguese of course):

"What? Nothing has changed. He knows what I do from time to time. And he does too. Also he likes men. We should meetup. ".

LOL. Only a Brasileira:

1. Flies to London after knowing you for five hours.

2. Gets engaged right after.

3. Says it doesn't change anything. Want to fuck me AND my husband?

Kkkkkk!

[Exec Talent]

Even though I have not been to Scandallo I do believe I have completed my rite of manhood. I have been to Madaho's and Blacks in Buenos Aires in their heyday prior to 2010. I have also been to Malioboro, Jakarta. Even though I have not been to Macao I have been to Chang Ping, China with its numerous saunas and KTVs in its heyday prior to 2014.

Romanian girls at FKKs are darlings but they are mostly all pimped and have boyfriends and even husbands so its difficult to get them really into you, their true sentiments lie elsewhere. Most of the Brazilian providers in the boites and clinicas will tend to be freelancers and not under any 'contract' to anyone. As a result there will be a greater chance of them being genuinely into you.

As you get deeper into the Garota de Programa world it may surprise many to learn that most of the girls are at the very least bisexual. Attribute it to having sex with men they are not really into all day and comradery. Misery loves company.

[WyattEarp]

Even though I have not been to Scandallo I do believe I have completed my rite of manhood. I have been to Madaho's and Blacks in Buenos Aires in their heyday prior to 2010. I have also been to Malioboro, Jakarta. Even though I have not been to Macao I have been to Chang Ping, China with its numerous saunas and KTVs in its heyday prior to 2014.

Romanian girls at FKKs are darlings but they are mostly all pimped and have boyfriends and even husbands so its difficult to get them really into you, their true sentiments lie elsewhere. Most of the Brazilian providers in the boites and clinicas will tend to be freelancers and not under any 'contract' to anyone. As a result there will be a greater chance of them being genuinely into you.

The Chinese government cracked down hard on Changping / Dongquan before I could make a visit. It looked amazing. It probably rivaled Bangkok / Pattaya in its heyday. The growing notoriety of this Southern sex paradise clearly pissed off the Northern spoilsports.

Yes, it seems Brazilian working girls can be "genuinely" into you. I think they are very into having fun in the moment with whoever and wherever which makes for a great vibe and great sex. Lastly, it's not so unusual for an attractive young Brasilian working girl to partner with an affluent foreign man. Many have friends or acquaintances living in Europe and North America with husbands or boyfriends. Yes, it's the "Pretty Woman" dream.

[Turgid]

Every man should do both FKK (Sharks or Oase in Frankfurt say) and Scandallo as a required rite of manhood and form their own opinions. In brief here are mine:

Both offer the lovely "buffet" of ladies type of experience, which is awesome to the male ego. Nothing like a ton of hot babes at your service to make your day and a tent in your pants. Scandallo is fundamentally classier. Everyone is clothed in a convivial high class setting that is still sexy and fun. The FKK wins on "make a day of it" with free buffet, sauna, lounge area etc. And thebfact that the women are more or less naked has its allure.

FKKs are definitely sharkier and more business like. In Scandallo you can fool urself into thinking you are doing some amazing bar pickup at a nightclub. No such illusion at FKK where the ladies are half (or more) naked and asking you "you go room with me?

On a similar note Brazilian women are much more "date like". With a Romanian girl you never really feel she's into you. Yes she might be very pleasant and appear to enjoy herself. But Brasileiras live uniquely in the moment. And are likely to do things like dance and flirt for two hours before the room and invite you to the beach next day after the room (Karina) or fly to London on a whim (Thifany).

I guess this ended up leaning towards Scandallo which is no surprise since I think it's the finest venue on the planet. But definitely do FKK also. Nothing like 8 hours of relaxing and fucking 5 different girls to put u right with the world. LOL.

Even though I have not been to Scandallo I do believe I have completed my rite of manhood. I have been to Madaho's and Blacks in Buenos Aires in their heyday prior to 2010. I have also been to Malioboro, Jakarta. Even though I have not been to Macao I have been to Chang Ping, China with its numerous saunas and KTVs in its heyday prior to 2014.

Romanian girls at FKKs are darlings but they are mostly all pimped and have boyfriends and even husbands so its difficult to get them really into you, their true sentiments lie elsewhere. Most of the Brazilian providers in the boites and clinicas will tend to be freelancers and not under any 'contract' to anyone. As a result there will be a greater chance of them being genuinely into you.

[Anaggie]

Wow, double BBFS. Extremely rare to find, indeed. This stuff is pure porn fantasy. Congratulations! Enjoy mate.

Sao Paulo is a wonderful playground for me. I haven't checked out Rio. However, from reading the ISG reports, I believe Sao Paulo, with the clinicas and clubs, has more to offer than Rio so I don't even bother going Rio for mongering.

Thanks. Looking forward to the weekend. Will post back when I get back.

Agree on the SP sentiment. The food scene is definitely better as are the girls. Bit more expensive for sure. But I prefer the quality.

[DiverOyster]

Another trip planned for a weekend at the end of January.

On my last trip on December, I had a third girl (Mari) join our original threesome and the two of us really hit it off well and we connected better than the other two girls I had been with all weekend. This one was way more down to earth and really enjoyed being with me. We decided to keep in touch and we did. I asked her if she would join me for the weekend in January and she said yes. We discussed all the terms including BBFS provided both of us get tested. I told her that I was snipped so she was super happy about that.

While talking with her about other things to do during the weekend, she asked if I was going to invite the other girls. I told her no. I asked if she wanted another girl and she said maybe. So I started to look on PA and ended up finding one she liked. But that girl didn't agree to the BBFS and we thought that if we did BBFS with her arpund, it would make things awkward. Scrapped that idea.

Mari then came up with a friend who she is really on good terms with and asked if I liked her. Saw her pics and she was beautiful so I agreed. The new girl (Gabi) has agreed to BBFS and is getting tested along with Mari. I also have made it clear that switching between each other is okay and the girls can't just take turns with me. They both have to be involved in the bed with me. Switching was a bit of an issue the last time because I had to take replace condoms each time.

Looking forward a porn style scene where both girls on on top of each other and I can just put it in one pussy and then another and keep doing it till I cum. Pictures of both girls are attached. Neither currently works in So Paulo or has an PA profile or is on any escort agencies.

Wow, double BBFS. Extremely rare to find, indeed. This stuff is pure porn fantasy. Congratulations! Enjoy mate.

Sao Paulo is a wonderful playground for me. I haven't checked out Rio. However, from reading the ISG reports, I believe Sao Paulo, with the clinicas and clubs, has more to offer than Rio so I don't even bother going Rio for mongering.

[MichaelSamuel]

I fully agree with Steve, though my FKK experiences were limited to Artemis (Berlin) and golden time (vienna). I would also add that a Macao sauna would be in this same category as a must have experience, but they are far from their former glory.

I would also say Pattaya and Bangkok are must have experiences, but those are out of this club / sauna category.

Every man should do both FKK (Sharks or Oase in Frankfurt say) and Scandallo as a required rite of manhood and form their own opinions. In brief here are mine:

Both offer the lovely "buffet" of ladies type of experience, which is awesome to the male ego. Nothing like a ton of hot babes at your service to make your day and a tent in your pants. Scandallo is fundamentally classier. Everyone is clothed in a convivial high class setting that is still sexy and fun. The FKK wins on "make a day of it" with free buffet, sauna, lounge area etc. And thebfact that the women are more or less naked has its allure.

FKKs are definitely sharkier and more business like. In Scandallo you can fool urself into thinking you are doing some amazing bar pickup at a nightclub. No such illusion at FKK where the ladies are half (or more) naked and asking you "you go room with me?

On a similar note Brazilian women are much more "date like". With a Romanian girl you never really feel she's into you. Yes she might be very pleasant and appear to enjoy herself. But Brasileiras live uniquely in the moment. And are likely to do things like dance and flirt for two hours before the room and invite you to the beach next day after the room (Karina) or fly to London on a whim (Thifany).

I guess this ended up leaning towards Scandallo which is no surprise since I think it's the finest venue on the planet. But definitely do FKK also. Nothing like 8 hours of relaxing and fucking 5 different girls to put u right with the world. LOL.

[Steve 9696]

Excellent report Bearsi.

When I visited, the selection at Abbobora and Miruna were equivalent in quality; but I realized that timing is everything at these places.

To add to Clinica intel: I ended up one lazy day at Red spa (Av. Moema, 841 - Planalto Paulista). Average selection with a few hotties in early afternoon. Selected a tall skinny lady going by Yara. Very passionate and skilled, but the place was seedy, and felt overpriced at 250. No Ac, and it was hot as hell. Wouldn't go back, at least not in the summer.

I am not a night person, but the hype around Scandallo makes me plan to visit it if I ever make it back to SP. Your report really helps put it in proper perspective. Not sure how it compares to the German FKK clubs though.

Every man should do both FKK (Sharks or Oase in Frankfurt say) and Scandallo as a required rite of manhood and form their own opinions. In brief here are mine:

Both offer the lovely "buffet" of ladies type of experience, which is awesome to the male ego. Nothing like a ton of hot babes at your service to make your day and a tent in your pants. Scandallo is fundamentally classier. Everyone is clothed in a convivial high class setting that is still sexy and fun. The FKK wins on "make a day of it" with free buffet, sauna, lounge area etc. And thebfact that the women are more or less naked has its allure.

FKKs are definitely sharkier and more business like. In Scandallo you can fool urself into thinking you are doing some amazing bar pickup at a nightclub. No such illusion at FKK where the ladies are half (or more) naked and asking you "you go room with me?

On a similar note Brazilian women are much more "date like". With a Romanian girl you never really feel she's into you. Yes she might be very pleasant and appear to enjoy herself. But Brasileiras live uniquely in the moment. And are likely to do things like dance and flirt for two hours before the room and invite you to the beach next day after the room (Karina) or fly to London on a whim (Thifany).

I guess this ended up leaning towards Scandallo which is no surprise since I think it's the finest venue on the planet. But definitely do FKK also. Nothing like 8 hours of relaxing and fucking 5 different girls to put u right with the world. LOL.

[Kcrl01]

If she has any sense she'd have got them all tested too.

I was pointing out dude was getting scammed / played. If she was so hard pressed about them both getting tested she would of known of a test location and dude wouldn't have had to inquire on the board as to one's location. Or one her Brazilian BFs infected her and she's getting the gringo to pay for her test.