Sao Paulo Reports

[Knowledge]

Gp-guia lists which girls are willing to do what in it's reviews. It also indicates whether the girl expects an extra fee. I've found it to be very reliable information.

The price is fixed in the clinicas and the house watches the clock and you usually pay the house when you leave. In general it's GFE with BBBJ. I never mention extra payment for extra services like CIM or anal or even BFFS. It is either the girl wants to do it or not and she wouldn't expect extra payment. I don't quiz the girls on their services during the presentation, there isn't time and I'm not great in Portuguese. The locals don't either. I think 10% of my sessions end up being bad and honestly I don't worry about it. The price per session is so low, I just pick another girl up. There was a girl at prime I thought was really hot but our session sucked. I would pick her on every SP trip once to see if she improved, she never did.

In moema, 57 and MOAH and Carinas and Red are also within walking distance.

[Fewdie]

Yeah I noticed that the ones who are in their mid-20's and older are not very friendly. Pretty hard-headed and tough. I think this is universal and not just brazilians.

I have good experiences with Seeking both SP and Rio. Absolute baddies rate them 9/10, girls with huge instagram followings. I don't go over age 26 that's about my max age. They bring up money for a date / overnight / after I get their whatsapp and get to chatting. I have pics of the baddies I plan to meetup with. I speak no porto and just use translator.

Its your portfolio most likely you think you may have great pics / profile but your results are saying otherwise. The avg asking $ Reais I get is no less than 1k for a date/sex and goes up from there but I counter with 500k then negotiate from there , hits and misses the usual.

[Gabbarsing]

Everything (at least most clinicas and boates) is open as usual on Tuesday.

Hey all,

I'm flying into SP on Tuesday and I have a long layover. I've tried to read through the forum and it seems it's going to be tough to find a place that's open. Does anyone know of a place that will be open on Tuesday?

Thanks!

[SamaRiding]

My further concern is being ripped off, while prices are described in automatic replies via Whatsapp.

Also, I can see that Prime, Miruna, Enjoy and Abbobora are in close proximity. Is it safe to walk among them if I do not like a lineup in the first place and want to check the next?

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The price is fixed in the clinicas and the house watches the clock and you usually pay the house when you leave. In general it's GFE with BBBJ. I never mention extra payment for extra services like CIM or anal or even BFFS. It is either the girl wants to do it or not and she wouldn't expect extra payment. I don't quiz the girls on their services during the presentation, there isn't time and I'm not great in Portuguese. The locals don't either. I think 10% of my sessions end up being bad and honestly I don't worry about it. The price per session is so low, I just pick another girl up. There was a girl at prime I thought was really hot but our session sucked. I would pick her on every SP trip once to see if she improved, she never did.

In moema, 57 and MOAH and Carinas and Red are also within walking distance.

[Foolish]

My further concern is being ripped off, .... which means I may need to negotiate with another girl for a cheaper price for that service?

Is it safe to walk among them if I do not like a lineup in the first place and want to check the next?

IMO, I would think about these things differently. This is Brazil, don't think of upselling for what you want. This isn't a FKK where some girls will want to upcharge you for touching them or Colombia where they want you to drop USD on them. At clinicas, the price is the price for the session (and you pay the desk for the most part). Expect to use translation, only a few staff here and there speak English. The common saying is that in Brazil, your chances of GFE are more likely. CBJ is a new plague it seems (IE Casarao).

To spell it out, IE Prime:

Go to the desk, say Hello, and ask for a presentation. Girls will come out and introduce themselves, try to just remember the one you want (you generally don't have the opportunity to check your list of things you want). Choose, get sent to your room and wash up / wait. If you don't like any one, you can wait around, but different places will have different levels of patience for this. Have a good time, get dressed and pay and leave (or wait for round 2). It's not that complicated.

Define what's a dealbreaker (to yourself) and just say that it won't work for you (unless the girl somehow exceeds your threshold for throwing $ at them). If you need to see people and have a conversation of what you like and what they are willing to do, clinicas don't always offer the best environment for this, other than places like Yankin (in the bar area) or Boates, etc. At boates / clubs, you can definitely get your tabbed escalated if you don't control the situation as everyone is a freelancer.

I felt safe in Sao Paulo (this is always relative), but you have to watch out for people taking advantage of you being glued to your phone on the street.

[Maelstrom]

After seeing a lot of positive feedback on these forums I decided to give seekingarragements.com (SA) a try, and so far I've found the experience pretty underwhelming. I got some good photos of myself and a decent profile (and I've received compliments on both my photos and profile) and a premium subscription, and I get quite a bit of attention but I find it very difficult to secure any sort of meetings.

Most of the girls I'm interested in just stop responding to my messages eventually, and many don't reply in the first place. Most of the attention I'm getting is from women that I wouldn't want to sleep with, even for free.

I get the impression that all of the girls on that website want large sums of money, but none of them want to ask for it. I don't bring up money early in the conversation because I first want to figure out if the girl is worth my time but I feel like this is where I am losing a lot of girls.

I've been searching girls in Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro for the past month (so Holidays shouldn't be an issue). Have you guys experienced similar frustrations with SA?

What other websites would you guys recommend for meeting girls (both pro and non-pro) in Brazil? Out of all the dating apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, what ones are the most promising?

I have good experiences with Seeking both SP and Rio. Absolute baddies rate them 9/10, girls with huge instagram followings. I don't go over age 26 that's about my max age. They bring up money for a date / overnight / after I get their whatsapp and get to chatting. I have pics of the baddies I plan to meetup with. I speak no porto and just use translator.

Its your portfolio most likely you think you may have great pics / profile but your results are saying otherwise. The avg asking $ Reais I get is no less than 1k for a date/sex and goes up from there but I counter with 500k then negotiate from there , hits and misses the usual.

[Steve 9696]

After seeing a lot of positive feedback on these forums I decided to give seekingarragements.com (SA) a try, and so far I've found the experience pretty underwhelming. I got some good photos of myself and a decent profile (and I've received compliments on both my photos and profile) and a premium subscription, and I get quite a bit of attention but I find it very difficult to secure any sort of meetings.

Most of the girls I'm interested in just stop responding to my messages eventually, and many don't reply in the first place. Most of the attention I'm getting is from women that I wouldn't want to sleep with, even for free.

I get the impression that all of the girls on that website want large sums of money, but none of them want to ask for it. I don't bring up money early in the conversation because I first want to figure out if the girl is worth my time but I feel like this is where I am losing a lot of girls.

I've been searching girls in Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro for the past month (so Holidays shouldn't be an issue). Have you guys experienced similar frustrations with SA?

What other websites would you guys recommend for meeting girls (both pro and non-pro) in Brazil? Out of all the dating apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, what ones are the most promising?

It's not surprising your disappointed in Seeking if you haven't landed a date yet. What you are finding is that it's a shit ton of work. And what you hve not had yet is the benefit of that shit ton of work. I describe it as a massive pile of bullshit. And somewhere in that pile is a diamond. But you have to slog thru all of the shit ti find it. As you hve not found it yet, all you see is the shit. 😋.

I wrote s short guide on Seeking I'the be happy to send (I've dated over 50 girls on Seeking). Just hmu. But let me try to summarize a few key thoughts.

It's a numbers game. From a percentages POV prob less than 30% of girls will even respond to your message. And maybe 10% will be worth chatting further with. And then you get down to 1-3 who are worth taking on a date (bedding) and you get down to specifics and go consumate the deal. So your experience is not surprising. A few tips:

Try to mention something specific from their profile in your opener. Stay away from generic openers they've seen a zillion times.

Drive the conversation with questions. Never ever end an exchange without another question or she will just fade out.

Take things over to WhatsApp within a couple days of contact. Once you are on what's things stay more connected because the girls are not on SA 247.

It sounds like you already know not to treat them like full on pros. I like it to an online bar. Like you are picking up girls with your charm and charisma. But via text.

Never ever do the "coffee meetup". Always go for dinner and or drinks and take it to the room first night. That is when the momentum exists.

So why even bother, when you have Boates etc in So Paulo. And I generally agree with that. Seeking is best where pussy is hard to find. Like USA. That said Seekingbis just a completely different experience. It's like a real date and real feelings can get involved if you let them. Plus Sundays generally suck in South America so that's a great Seeking day. And finally you can develop really quality repeat relationships. I can fly to any of 5 or so cities and be guaranteed a quality date with a girl I adore and quality sex at the end. I have girls I've been seeing since I started Seeking in 2019.

Two final thoughts.

One. The diamonds do exist. Even in Brazil. I had a legit 9. 5 Seeking girl in Rio. She was either 400 or 500 R and we had a full 3-4 hour date. 9. 5 looks. 9. 5 personality. 9. 5 in bed. A true diamond. Right there in Rio. I had been browsing and chatting for a couple weeks and snagged her at 10 PM Sat night for a Sunday date. See point 2.

Sometimes going last minute totally works. My OPENER is "Going out for a nice dinner and drinks tonight. Join me?" This sounds so aggressive. Fuck we haven't even said Hello, yet. But this has worked for me at least five times sometimes with spectacular results.

So it's a ton of work but worth it IMO. HMU if you need any further help Or join in the chat w the rest of the Seeking enthusiasts here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements

[Murtyle]

Hey all,

I'm flying into SP on Tuesday and I have a long layover. I've tried to read through the forum and it seems it's going to be tough to find a place that's open. Does anyone know of a place that will be open on Tuesday?

Thanks!

[Sp1000]

57 does post the WhatsApp status. Abbobora sadly no. Also remember to add the Brazil phone code +55 if using a US phone.

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.
The latest numbers of a dozen clinicas around Moema are posted or look for new numbers pinned. There are two or three posts with the working wassap number.
In SP, wake up, grab my phone, start checking the clinicas wassap lineup of photos faces, names, four hands specials to plan my day for Tangara, Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, Spa Moah, Chanel, Yankin, Lushness, Red visits and many more.
For Tangara and Prime clinicas I like to know the time garotas in foto lineup is supposed to show up or if she is already in the house. There is no guarantee she will show up for the day, stuff happens.
In my experience, Enjoy Clinca has one of the most flaky schedules for appointments. Enjoy 's lineup schedule for the day is flaky or bait and switch. The garotas show up damn late in the afternoon, definitely not on time, if at all. Sometimes the garota prefer to stay in the other sister clinica Miruna.
Enjoy Spa will post a deep lineup of photos.
ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.
Abbobora has a deep lineup of beautiful sun tanned, sun drenched SEXY Brancas. Dayum! And real pain-in-the-ass chica at the front desk, others already mentioned their dealings with her.

Thanks for letting me know. For Tangara, their second number in gp guia worked with Whatsapp.

I do not know how things work in clinicas. Clinica receptions can explain in English or I need to use google translator?

My further concern is being ripped off, while prices are described in automatic replies via Whatsapp.

A few posts that I remember here reported 190 including BBBJ or CIM in Tangara or Yankin and 330 including CBJ in Abbobora.

Let's say I want to include BBBJ and CIM. Prices can be way above the range of 200-300 depending on girls, which means I may need to negotiate with another girl for a cheaper price for that service?

Also, I can see that Prime, Miruna, Enjoy and Abbobora are in close proximity. Is it safe to walk among them if I do not like a lineup in the first place and want to check the next?

I feel like seeing in person instead of making an appoinment since I do not have good experiences in booking girls based on photos.

[Above Average]

After seeing a lot of positive feedback on these forums I decided to give seekingarragements.com (SA) a try, and so far I've found the experience pretty underwhelming. I got some good photos of myself and a decent profile (and I've received compliments on both my photos and profile) and a premium subscription, and I get quite a bit of attention but I find it very difficult to secure any sort of meetings.

Most of the girls I'm interested in just stop responding to my messages eventually, and many don't reply in the first place. Most of the attention I'm getting is from women that I wouldn't want to sleep with, even for free.

I get the impression that all of the girls on that website want large sums of money, but none of them want to ask for it. I don't bring up money early in the conversation because I first want to figure out if the girl is worth my time but I feel like this is where I am losing a lot of girls.

I've been searching girls in Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro for the past month (so Holidays shouldn't be an issue). Have you guys experienced similar frustrations with SA?

What other websites would you guys recommend for meeting girls (both pro and non-pro) in Brazil? Out of all the dating apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, what ones are the most promising?

[SamaRiding]

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.

ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.

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57 does post the WhatsApp status. Abbobora sadly no. Also remember to add the Brazil phone code +55 if using a US phone.

[JSmith80]

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.

Under.

Acomphantes Sao Paulo.

CLnicas de Massagens SP.

The latest numbers of a dozen clinicas around Moema are posted or look for new numbers pinned. There are two or three posts with the working wassap number.

In SP, wake up, grab my phone, start checking the clinicas wassap lineup of photos faces, names, four hands specials to plan my day for Tangara, Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, Spa Moah, Chanel, Yankin, Lushness, Red visits and many more.

My routine is to be knee-deep in a drunken porno, fantasy threesomes from 11 am to 7 pm each day, then uber over to Scandallo from evening to 3 am. Repeat every day for trip.

For Tangara and Prime clinicas I like to know the time garotas in foto lineup is supposed to show up or if she is already in the house. There is no guarantee she will show up for the day, stuff happens.

In my experience, Enjoy Clinca has one of the most flaky schedules for appointments. Enjoy 's lineup schedule for the day is flaky or bait and switch. The garotas show up damn late in the afternoon, definitely not on time, if at all. Sometimes the garota prefer to stay in the other sister clinica Miruna.

Enjoy Spa will post a deep lineup of photos. I Uber over there in 5 min, going from front entrance of Miruna to Enjoy's wooden door. I arrive to find only one or two or sometimes no garotas available in the place. A disappointment. The okder front desk gal is cool though. I know her from the years She worked at 57 Friends. Occasionally Enjoy will cover the cost of a taxi back to Miruna when nobody shows up at Enjoy. Your experience may vary.

ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.

Abbobora has a deep lineup of beautiful sun tanned, sun drenched SEXY Brancas. Dayum! And real pain-in-the-ass chica at the front desk, others already mentioned their dealings with her.

I did meet up with a amazing 21-year-old blond Branca outside of Abbobora. It was a slow day, she is there only two days every two or three weeks. She rides the bus back to her city which is a few hours away from SP.

Sometimes I ask the once-a-week or weekend-only garotas if they met their $$ number. We chatted, she didn't meet her. $$ goal that day. So we met up before her bus trip at my apart hotel Tsue Flats, a 5 min walk from Abbobora. What superb experience it was illusion of passion (IoP) meets illusion of money (IoM).

Later she traveled back to SP a few weeks later to hook up again.

YMMV, I still like scheduling appointments and making the presentation rounds in Moema clinicas daytime.

That's a hell of a demanding schedule. How do you keep your stamina up? I also had planned to do two clinics prior to Scandallo in the evening but never made it past one. I also opted to consume only coconut water, protein shakes and some pasta over other types of dishes to avoid lethargy during the day.

J.

[Tochka]

Is it possible to check the list of girls and their photos?

If asking by whatsapp, I guess they will only let me know the names of available girls that day.

But even for "chat via whatsapp", I cannot connect. Whatsapp says "the phone number isn't on whatsapp".

How can I do? Connecting to Yankin's whatsapp worked at least.

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.

Under.

Acomphantes Sao Paulo.

CLnicas de Massagens SP.

The latest numbers of a dozen clinicas around Moema are posted or look for new numbers pinned. There are two or three posts with the working wassap number.

In SP, wake up, grab my phone, start checking the clinicas wassap lineup of photos faces, names, four hands specials to plan my day for Tangara, Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, Spa Moah, Chanel, Yankin, Lushness, Red visits and many more.

My routine is to be knee-deep in a drunken porno, fantasy threesomes from 11 am to 7 pm each day, then uber over to Scandallo from evening to 3 am. Repeat every day for trip.

For Tangara and Prime clinicas I like to know the time garotas in foto lineup is supposed to show up or if she is already in the house. There is no guarantee she will show up for the day, stuff happens.

In my experience, Enjoy Clinca has one of the most flaky schedules for appointments. Enjoy 's lineup schedule for the day is flaky or bait and switch. The garotas show up damn late in the afternoon, definitely not on time, if at all. Sometimes the garota prefer to stay in the other sister clinica Miruna.

Enjoy Spa will post a deep lineup of photos. I Uber over there in 5 min, going from front entrance of Miruna to Enjoy's wooden door. I arrive to find only one or two or sometimes no garotas available in the place. A disappointment. The okder front desk gal is cool though. I know her from the years She worked at 57 Friends. Occasionally Enjoy will cover the cost of a taxi back to Miruna when nobody shows up at Enjoy. Your experience may vary.

ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.

Abbobora has a deep lineup of beautiful sun tanned, sun drenched SEXY Brancas. Dayum! And real pain-in-the-ass chica at the front desk, others already mentioned their dealings with her.

I did meet up with a amazing 21-year-old blond Branca outside of Abbobora. It was a slow day, she is there only two days every two or three weeks. She rides the bus back to her city which is a few hours away from SP.

Sometimes I ask the once-a-week or weekend-only garotas if they met their $$ number. We chatted, she didn't meet her. $$ goal that day. So we met up before her bus trip at my apart hotel Tsue Flats, a 5 min walk from Abbobora. What superb experience it was illusion of passion (IoP) meets illusion of money (IoM).

Later she traveled back to SP a few weeks later to hook up again.

YMMV, I still like scheduling appointments and making the presentation rounds in Moema clinicas daytime.

[JSmith80]

J, I think you are being too hard on yourself concerning your 1st night at Scandallo and the money you dropped. In a very short time, I think, the money spent that 1st night which included a mediocre 3 way will recede in importance in your mind, as your positive memory of that third girl and how you found her will grow. Hey, I have done 3 ways and 2-fers in Scandallo. I even did one girl 2 x in Scandallo.

A. H. [ / QUOTE.

Solid Advice A. H.

JS, You can ask the roving waiters working the tables to show you the total tab amount so far. They carry the swipe machine with them. Even in a drunken state, I want a sneak peek at the damage from buying myself 20-year chivas regal, buckets of ice and ordering gin tropicals or gin tonics for the duplos garotas doing threesomes.

I always get a bucket of ice cause the two Scandallo chicas with me for the duplo session, make a big deal to personally serve my drinks. Also I control the chica's drink order, it's gin tropical or related to gin cause I know the prices from seeing the waiters swipe the tablet. Nothing else can be ordered on my dime. Some Chicas buy their own fancy wine.

As part of the (IoP) illusion of passion, the garotas doing the threesome compete to refill my drinks. They sloppy suck on the ice cubes, while tongue-swapping with each other in a deep French lesbo kiss. It's a porno-style 4-play of their cum-swapping talent in the room. And we ain't going to the room until they do a public Lesbo deep kissing going first. I join in the three-way kissing after they wipe off that crazy-ass red lipstick.

Usually, I grab a table in the last row at the back bar across the bathrooms. Sometimes we will jump up from the tables to do a sexy three-way dance. My drunk clumsy ass will bang the table knocking over the glass drinks. It feels a hell of a lot better knowing they did not have any expensive drinks on my dime.

T,

I will definitely be cognizant of the tab the way in which you describe the next time around. I as unpack my experience, I realize I was not patient and simply didn't stand my ground and dictate the terms I wanted before hand. Haha, I'm laughing as I picture what you describe unfolding on one of the back tables near the bathrooms; the stuff of dreams. I look forward to returning.

J.

[JSmith80]

J, I think you are being too hard on yourself concerning your 1st night at Scandallo and the money you dropped. In a very short time, I think, the money spent that 1st night which included a mediocre 3 way will recede in importance in your mind, as your positive memory of that third girl and how you found her will grow. Hey, I have done 3 ways and 2-fers in Scandallo. I even did one girl 2 x in Scandallo in one night. That is how crazy I am sometimes, but I never did 3 girls in one night. So, way to go! And not to minimize the huge amount of money you dropped that night, it's only money. Ha Ha Ha. I have thrown away a ton more $$$ on really stupid shit like installing an AMP & speakers in my new SUV. It still pisses me off how much those installers / grifters charged me. KKK.

SP clinicas are very good. I am in SP as I write this and so far, this visit, a clinica girl is in the lead for the best new girl of the trip. Boy was she something in bed including a 69 CIM finish. But, I have to add that I think boate girls have more potential over the long run if you are into that sort of thing I. E. LT, modified ST's lasting 3 to 7 hours without a sleep over, and repeats.

BTW, repeats are how I was introduced by my favorite Scandallo girl to her GFs and one night the girls and I were drinking a bottle of malbec when both girls suggested we go upstairs together for a true menage a trois, one where everybody is doing everybody with a lot of IOP as you coined the phrase in the preceding paragraph. And that was a truly memorable night!

So rock on and follow your bliss wherever it leads you to like SP Clinicas, Boates or some other destination.

A. H.

AH,

Firstly, thank you for your kind words of encouragement. It is indeed true that after a couple of weeks now, the bad memories are beginning to fade while I continue to day-dream and night-dream about the good ones. I find myself wanting to return sooner rather than later but luckily the larger brain deters me from making any rash decisions.

Secondly, that threesome you describe with full IoP is the stuff of dreams. I hope to experience this type of bliss one day and will be searching for it on my next visit.

Lastly, thank you for all the knowledge you have bestowed upon this thread as my itinerary was loosely based on all the feedback. Your past reports were spot on and they saved me much time and energy. I definitely owe you a few of those expensive drinks if our paths ever cross in SP.

J.