Sao Paulo Reports

[KPete]

Slept in late on Monday morning and had a hearty late breakfast / brunch at my hotel before making a plan for the day. Decided to do a walking tour of Moema clinicas, which I started at around noon and finished around 3 pm.

I walked 20 minutes to get to Red Massagem. The lady at the front desk was nice, and although she didn't speak English, she had a 'menu' in English. There were about 10 girls there, but the talent was in the 4-5/10 range in looks to my eye, so no one really met my spec, and I decided to head out.

After another 10-15 minute walk, I arrived at Abbobora Massagem. It's a little confusing to find the entrance, which is on the side of the building by the carpark, not the door facing the street. The lady at the front desk didn't speak English, but she was also not very nice or patient. The talent here, however, was clearly better, in the 6-7/10 range in looks by my standards, maybe 10-15 girls. I was taking my time and considering my options, but even though there were a number of other men in there also waiting, the front desk lady was being kind of pushy, so I made my exit, and she gave me an exasperated huff as I walked out the door. Not sure why she was so huffy. In retrospect, those girls were the best I would see all day, so I probably should have taken one of my best choices there.

Clinica Miruna is almost across the street from Abbobora. Again, no English, but at least the reception lady was nice. About 10 girls in the 4-5/10 range in looks. I was told that a few girls were in the room, so I waited for a while, but the first one to come out was also not to my standard, and I decided to leave.

I walked another 5-10 minutes to reach EnjoySpa. Again, no English, but nice. About 5-10 girls in the 4-6/10 range. Not to my spec, so again I left.

Finally, I walked about 15 minutes to get to Moema Prime. No English, nice lady. About 5 girls in the 4-6/10 range again. It wasn't happening for me, so I left.

So, overall, I visited 5 clinicas (Red, Abbobora, Miruna, Enjoy, and Prime). Of those, the quality of girls was pretty similar (and not very good), except for Abbobora, which was clearly better. Of course, this is just my opinion, and only for this one timepoint on Monday afternoon.

My tour completed, I walked back to my hotel, stopping to pick up a late lunch / early dinner at a grocery store and also stopping by Shopping Ibirapuera and Banco Santander to withdraw more money for the rest of the week. It took me about 20 minutes to get back to my hotel.

At this point, I see Tangara as the best clinica option. Yes, the price is the lowest. But also, the management is nice and really helps to facilitate things. Plus, the girls hang out in the lounge area when not in the room, so it's easier to talk to the girls and make special requests or confirm services. And the quality of girls is similar in all places, although at least when I visited, Tangara had a wider range of girls' looks (from among the worst I had seen in the clinicas to among the best). I haven't yet visited Brooklin, Ceci, Donna, Yankin, or Vani's Way, but I'm not sure if it's worth it to schlep out to all of those places.

More to come.

[KPete]

Took Uber back to my hotel (BTW, an Uber select private car cost around R12 each way to Tangara), picked up dinner from a grocery store, and got more rest. Later in the evening, I was trying to decide between Kilt Show (recommended by ABG below) or Casarao. After going back and reading earlier messages about Kilt Show, I decided to give Casarao a try instead.

I got to Casarao around 11:30. I was a bit confused by the entry, which I now realize was either R40 all consumable or R20. Paid R40 but probably should have just done the R20. Oh well. Given what I had read in earlier reports, there were a lot more people there than I expected, maybe 60-80 girls and slightly more men. Plus, the quality was overall better than Tangara, same low end (even a couple of the same girls from Tangara) but on the high end maybe 3-4 girls that I would put in the 8-9/10 range in looks. All shapes and sizes, hair colors, skin colors. Between the ground floor and lower level, it took me a long time to get a feel for the place and check out the talent.

Those 3-4 girls were the ones I was considering. I spoke to a few girls to get a sense of how this worked, and most were quoting R250 for 30-40 minutes (plus R40 to the club for the room). Eventually, I took a girl named Alini (a blond with a pretty face and obvious implants (which are not normally my thing). We negotiated for a bit, and eventually we agreed on R350 for 1 hour of tudo (including anal) plus R80 for the room. She was nice enough, but she was not quite my speed (more PSE than GFE), so I would not repeat.

I was feeling tired at that point, so I left at around 3 am. Total cost for me at Casarao was R40 entry including drinks + R350 girl + R80 room = R470. FYI, Uber cost around R25 each from to / from my hotel in Moema.

More to come.

[FRobertson]

Getting there and back.

Buenos Aires Ezeiza airport (EZE) is about 3 hours from Sao Paulo and it's well-connected to the rest of the world. Quite a few passports can get in with no visa. The airport is not super busy but depending on the size of your plane and how many people are ahead of you, the wait at the passport control and the customs can be 30 minutes or longer. The process is standardized and reasonably efficient. The border officer will take your photo and take your thumbprint, both entering and leaving the country.

Uber *does not* work in Argentina (it requires a credit card from Argentina in order for it to work, which obviously travelers won't have – but the application will look like it's working until the moment you try to book a ride, at which time the app will fail).

There's an "official taxi" stand at the airport terminals just by the exit. They are 100% legit, with a flat rate to downtown Buenos Aires being about US $30, they actually take cash USD and EUR, they take credit cards too but there's a slight surcharge. Pay at the stand and their employee will take you to the taxi and hand you over to the driver.

That same company will pick you up downtown and take you back to the airport for 990 pesos (about $22) and can be scheduled via whatsapp. The scheduling dispatcher can write in English. To get that special rate, they only take Argentinian pesos in cash. So just save a 1000 for the return trip.

Money.

ATMs have an insane surcharge of 279 pesos (about $6) **per transaction** and withdrawal limits are currently at 4000 pesos (about $90). Yes it's usury. But there's no way around it. Bringing foreign cash and trying to exchange it has a host of challenges with it (finding a place to do it, making sure it's during work hours, etc). Foreign currency is not popular with the girls. But Schwab bank **will** reimburse this fee. Most ATMs take foreign cards and dispense cash. There are a few ATMs in the airport but you have to look for them. But they are there.

Getting around.

Buenos Aires downtown-ish area is incredibly walkable. In less than half an hour can walk pretty much anywhere within the downtown area.

While Uber is not working, the local taxis are plentiful, cheap (pay by the meter and it's very reasonable – 100-200 pesos gets you anywhere within the downtown area) and the drivers seem to be honest. They rarely speak any foreign language so I generally just walk to avoid the language barrier, sometimes I take the taxi back to the hotel, which is simplified by taking a hotel card that has an address with you.

Sleeping, eating, etc.

Hotels publish discounts on booking.com.

Airbnbs are plentiful – read reviews.

Food is likewise plentiful. My favorite are empanadas (filled pastries). Fancy touristy places are IMHO overrated.

Seeing the city.

There's a number of free walking tours available. A great way to get your bearings. Takes about 2-3 hours.

The girls.

My sole resource has been http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts-acompanantes.htm.

To the left, you'll see the categories.

Novedades – doesn't mean new girls, could be updated listings.

Mujeres – this is what you'll likely want.

Maduritas – for the lovers of the aged wine.

Masajistas – these usually include at least a HJ.

Fantasias – an occasional whip and chain could be found here.

Traviesas – some nice looking traps are available.

The best part about that site is if you are browsing from your phone, click on a "whatsapp" link from a girl's profile, and it'll let you send a standard message – already in Spanish – to that girl (naturally you must have whatsapp installed on your phone for it to work).

To the right of the girl's main pic, there's a link to the search for her reviews on the forum:

"Experiencias? Buscar en el foro" – http://www.foroescortsar.com/foros/index.php The reviews there are superbly detailed and often with pics.

The girl will usually quickly respond with a standardized message describing her location, rates, and work hours. Only some of them work on weekends. They also usually include specifics (such as anal) and whether they do BBBJ (bucal sin) – obviously can be clarified to suit your needs. Mine are rather basic so it hardly ever becomes an issue. The girls are generally booking a little in advance but could be available immediately.

Most girls have their own rooms for meetings, but there are a few that would go to your hotel. I haven't tried the latter type (no real need to). Rooms usually are pretty basic but shower is available as well as a towel.

The cost I've seen ranges from 1500 to 2000 pesos ($34-44) for an hour. Half an hour is also available but I used that option only once. In some cases there are 2-girl specials, could be 3500 for that.

The girls generally have a good, friendly attitude. They spend the entire hour with you, usually lots of hugging and kissing. BBBJ is common. The deed can be done as many times as you can manage.

Basically there are 2 types of girls at those sites:

- true private providers. She would have an apartment just to herself (or at least a room), puts up her own ad, manages responses, generally those apartments are in better shape.

- agency or group apartments. Still every girl would have an ad with her pics but someone else would handle the messaging and scheduling.

Photos could be hit or miss. Generally from what I've seen there's decent enough resemblance in over 50% of the photos. But to be honest I haven't met a girl who's truly ugly from these ads. Well, actually I did meet a surprisingly big girl and not very pretty. But she more than made up for it with her friendly attitude and her tongue skills.

The response rate is very close to 100%, and if they don't respond right away they're probably busy and they will respond when they become available. They generally provide all necessary information in the first message. The price for the hour and half an hour, approximate location, work hours (generally until 7-8-9 pm, some girls work weekends while others don't) and what they include (BBBJ / anal). Making an appointment is also super easy and they are punctual. I usually show up right on time or maybe 1-2 minutes early, had to wait for a few minutes once when the girl literally just walked in from the street to meet me, and another time had to wait for almost an hour because I wanted a threesome but the second girl was busy. So the first girl sat with me but we were supposed to keep it G-rated until the second girl showed up. I just took a nap with my head in her lap. And the experience was totally worth the wait.

Also they rarely if ever try to upsell or beg for tips. Generally the price is all-inclusive (anal is frequently extra but I'm not interested in that so if you are, do ask up front), and they don't limit you on how many times you can do the deed.

The districts "Microcentro" and "Tribunales" are very easily accessible and generally safe (of course use common sense) and most girls are within 10-15 minutes walk within that area.

I used google translate to communicate, never had much problem. If the doorman at the building asks where you're going just show him the address. Never got any hard time from any doormen.

Elevators in the buildings are tricky. If it's on your floor, the 2 sets of doors you open by hand. Make sure you close them both when you exit the elevator, or the next person won't be able to call it.

Additionally, different elevators or elevator banks can serve different apartment numbers. E. g. If you are going to an apartment 10 F, you get to the 10th floor and only see apartments A,be, see, the – then you likely need to go back down and find another elevator bank.

Are you going to find gorgeous 10's at those places and have crazy parties, booze, and sex through the night? Probably not. But if you are looking for that warm girl-next-door who would do you for a $40 feeling, this is the place to get it.

[FRobertson]

Now what is the moral from this sad tale of woe? Well, when it comes up, as it will, about foreign mongers overpaying it's important to remember the context they are coming from. If I fly to Sampa and find a girl twice as hot as one I can find at home (if I can find her at all) for a quarter the price, paying an extra 100-200 reals seems to be irrational economizing. I understand it distorts the local scene and I try to be as sensitive to that as I can but if I'm only in town for a couple of weeks and I meet a 10 I'm going to pay the freight. After all, I'm really only doing it so I can jerk off thinking about it later. Have pity.

Yes, the sex prison has gotten *A LOT* worse since the demise of craigslists etc. And the dumb creatures are pricing themselves right out of the market, with the sub-$1 k tickets to Brazil and Argentina easily available, not to mention Mexico. With the Florida sting operation, I am even super cautious about the massage establishments nowadays. So I totally understand your going sex-free for months.

The problem of overpaying is not so much as meeting your 10 and giving her the price she asks. It's more of throwing money at girls when they aren't asking for it. Eg. Uncalled-for tips in Tangara, offering USA rates without asking the price first, and in general lavishing girls with the money that they didn't ask for and didn't expect. We don't want to equalize the worldwide rates to the american insanity any more that we want the worldwide healthcare system to keep people just one broken leg away from bankruptcy.

[HarvestBoi]

So I hadn't had any live pussy in months. I know for most this seems unthinkable but I'm getting older and to quote the late Patrice O'Neal "Mostly the reason I fuck now is so I can jerk off later, thinking about it". If it happened to a great man like Patrice, it can happen to me.

Another reason for the long drought is that my local scene has gone to shit since the FOSTA debacle. No local boards to sift out the scammers etc. I had 3 favorites but like me they are starting to age out and, truth be told, I was getting a little bored with them. One shacked up, one had a kid and one graduated to the high end courtesan scene.

The courtesan gave me the name of her booker and I perused the site. With the new set up in the US, this isn't a public site but invitation only. Full of mid 30's women who have been in the game for years and have learned the power of cosmetic surgery and photoshop. But certainly attractive enough and I'm sure the service is good, if lacking in carinhoso.

But the prices, my God! The lowest was $600/ HR and went up to $1000! Sorry but I'm not paying that. One agency I kept in contact with from the pre-FOSTA days advertises girls at $400, GFE service. Mostly the girls don't appeal but they occasionally have Brazileras who come through who look safada so I took flyer and drove the hour plus to her hotel downtown.

Nice enough garota, big tits and a bunda plump and firm, blond hair, tan lines. A 7-8 on my scale. At Tangara she'd be a maybe and at Scandallo I'd probably pass. But her DFK was unenthusiastic, always a bad sign. While she performed all the alphabet, including anal, it was obvious that I was one of many hourly dicks she was going to service over the next week or so and her heart just wasn't in it. All told the damage was $500 (extra for anal) plus the time to drive to the city, park etc.

Now what is the moral from this sad tale of woe? Well, when it comes up, as it will, about foreign mongers overpaying it's important to remember the context they are coming from. If I fly to Sampa and find a girl twice as hot as one I can find at home (if I can find her at all) for a quarter the price, paying an extra 100-200 reals seems to be irrational economizing. I understand it distorts the local scene and I try to be as sensitive to that as I can but if I'm only in town for a couple of weeks and I meet a 10 I'm going to pay the freight. After all, I'm really only doing it so I can jerk off thinking about it later. Have pity.

[Xboi100]

Hello ABG,

I will be in SAO on June 1, interested in one of your world famous tours. I am trying to figure out how to pay for premium membership with a prepaid card (it won't allow because there is no address associated). I will PM you when I get it sorted out.

[AltoBomGosto]

So, I am back in the lovely Sao Paulo for a week.

1) If anyone is interested in a particular clinica and wants me to TOFT, let me know. But it should be a reasonably-priced place (none of those 250 for the house + 250 for the HJ directly to the girl types of places).

2) I just spent a few days in Buenos Aires, and the private girls scene there is wonderful. But the Argentina branch of this forum sucks. Does anyone know what's the story with it? (being a separate sucky forum).

Please PM me for details.

ABG.

[FRobertson]

So, I am back in the lovely Sao Paulo for a week.

1) If anyone is interested in a particular clinica and wants me to TOFT, let me know. But it should be a reasonably-priced place (none of those 250 for the house + 250 for the HJ directly to the girl types of places).

2) I just spent a few days in Buenos Aires, and the private girls scene there is wonderful. But the Argentina branch of this forum sucks. Does anyone know what's the story with it? (being a separate sucky forum).

[AltoBomGosto]

The Moema clinicas are not far. The Sao Paulo fears are a bit overdone if you follow sensible, secure precautions. I would consider just taking an Uber or even better AltoBomGosto will take you hunting clinica girls in his car for a very reasonable rate. He might even be able to find you a clinica girls who doesn't object to photos.

Escorts are of course an option and the last several months have recommendations of well-reviewed girls. If a girl has a twitter and / or a website profile with lots of facial photos, I'm guessing you can negotiate a nominal extra fee for photos.

Also in the clinicas in the rooms you will be able to take pictures at a reasonable fee.

Don't attempt to take unallowed pictures if so you are going to be immediately be expelled of the place.

For details PM me.

ABG.

[AltoBomGosto]

Salaam Mr Carnarvon. In my experience Tangara is pretty much always crowded with guys. I like to wait for a pretty girl. But as soon as one appears she is grabbed by a local. I feel like I'm in a competition, which is not what I go to these places for.

And if a girl is pretty and none of the locals is taking her, you have to wonder: do they know something I don't?

Now I know I will be slaughtered by Tangara fans/promoters. Just my 2 dirhams anyway.

Tangara has one of the best lineups in São Paulo but gets crowded with customers after 4 PM. So if you want to choose a girl without hassle be there before 2 PM, ask for the receptionist Suzan, she speaks English and will be very patient to help you.

Regarding mulatas, TG has one of the best selection of mulatas in town! Yesterday there were 4 of them, Thea from Bahia, Keila Carioca, Sofi long hair, Susy petite paulista and Letícia Capixaba.

For more information please PM me!

ABG.

[AltoBomGosto]

Perhaps you all can help me find what I am looking for. I will be visiting SP / Brazil for the first time in a couple months, staying in the Pacaembu area at a hotel with some business colleagues (***) for about six days. In the hobby, my favorite thing to do is to find an escort who is also open to erotic photography, but I find this difficult, particularly in a new country where I have no language skills. I would be interested in going to a clinica (no photography, obviously) if it was close, but I'm concerned about crime and such in a city that I don't know at all and will have limited time to explore on my own. Someone coming to my hotel might be the best thing. Thoughts?

I will be glad to take you to the best clinicas and boites, I am located in Jardins, very close to Pacaembu, please PM me. See my add on the advertising section of this board. Please PM me.

ABG.

[Azn Safado]

After getting tired of seeing the same faces on the Moema Rectangle Tour, I decided to try something a little different. For those of you who don't know what the Moema Rectangle is, it's the following (can't really draw a rectangle properly with this forum interface) clinicas all within walking distance of each other:


1) Prime (Av Irai 511) ========================> 2) Miruna's (Av Miruna 644)
4) Enjoy (Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279) <============= 3) Abbobora (Alameda dos Guaramomis 1275)


I couldn't really find any reviews of this Doutora Oyama massage place on GpGuia and only found some 10 year old reviews on ISG. Apparently, this place has been around since 1970! I went to this place on a Friday afternoon at 5 pm. I was greeted by the receptionist who was very nice and offered me water, coffee, etc. She took me to a small room with a wall of pictures of 8 different girls. Just the typical shots of them in lingerie or whatever and not too touched up. I asked about a few of them such as how old they were and if they had natural or silicone tits. She answered all my questions so I chose a petite morena. How it works is you pay 250 reais to the house and then pay for extras with the girl.

The receptionist took me up to the room which was very large and had a queen sized massage type bed, a separate bathroom, and jacuzzi tub. I took a shower and put on a provided robe and waited for the massagista to enter the room. She was quite beautiful and looked like her pictures. She was very friendly and asked me if I wanted just a massage or more. I told her that I wanted full service after the massage. So I start by laying on my stomach and she gives me a very good and thorough massage with massage oil. Girls here are professionally trained masseuses so the massage was actually very good. At about the half hour point, she starts laying on top of my back and doing the body slide massage and then starts nibbling on my ear. She then turns me over and starts giving me some serious DFK. I didn't really know what to expect from this place. I figured it would be just a massage with some full service, but probably something mechanical. So after a bunch of kissing, she then gives me a very long BBBJ. Then onto the sex (covered of course). Overall service was excellent and very GFE and I really liked the fact that there was a lot of build up leading to the sex. It's definitely different from the clinica routine where you shower and then immediately go at it with your chosen girl. Final damage was 500 reais. This place is expensive and probably like The Palms and some of the other high end places of which I've never actually tried.

1 hour session - 250 reais to the house.

HJ only - 150 reais to the girl.

Full service - 250 reais to the girl.

[Azn Safado]

After I left Club J, I decided to go to Connection Night Club in Tatuape since I was already in Liberdade and half way there from Moema. This club is pretty much Scandallo Lite. Same owners and same building structure but on a smaller scale. It has a restaurant and bar area with stage for live performances, just like Scandallo. They also have a single poker table where customers can play no limit hold'them or Omaha for cash. Omaha was being played on this night.

The girls here are less attractive on average than Scandallo and there were maybe 50 girls on a Thursday night. There were about 5 girls in the 8 plus range, saw maybe one 9. All it takes is one! I spoke with a few girls and they all say the house minimum is 300 reais and charge 400 reais for an hour and 250 for half hour. In fact, the first girl I spoke with used to work at Monte Carlo in Rio and she had recognized me. I had arrived at 11:30 pm and after about an hour I ended up having a good conversation with a skinny redhead from Londrina. She was very friendly and I dug her vibe. We chatted for about an hour and had some drinks. She quoted me 400 reais and I didn't feel like negotiating so I took her up on it. We took the elevator up to one of the rooms. The rooms are nice and identical to those at Scandallo. After showering together, we got bizzy. Service was excellent. DFK, 69, BBBJ. After we finished, we went down to reception area for the rooms and I paid 120 reais for the room. By now it was already 3 am so I closed out my bill and went back home. Total damage was 620 reais - 100 entrance, 120 for the room, and 400 for the girl. Would I come back? Yes. Like Steve9696 once said "it's the thrill of the chase in the boates". It is a nice change up from the fast food routine at the clinicas. I just wish it wasn't so far - 36 reais and 30 minutes each way in Uber to and from Moema without traffic, ie late at night.

Entrance - 100 reais with 50 of it being consumption. Entrance is 50 reais before 6 pm every day.

Room fee - 120 reais for one hour. No idea what it is for half an hour.

60 minute session - 400 reais on average.

30 minute session - 250 reais on average.

[Azn Safado]

I decided to check out this place on a Thursday night. The address is Av. da Aclimação, 395 Liberdade, SP. It was a Clinica formerly known as Clinica Vision. I arrived at 10 pm and there was a well lit bar at the entrance. One guy and 2 girls there. There was a separate disco looking room with black lighting and I peeked in but nobody was there. I asked the manager where the girls were and he said they were upstairs servicing customers. I waited around for an hour and only saw 4 girls total and he said there were 8 girls there. I spoke with a cute 22 year old girl from Recife but her vibe wasn't great. Man the place was so dead so I left after an hour.

Prices are as follows:

Entrance. Free.

30 minute session - 150 reais.

60 minute session - 250 reais.

Room fee. None.

Drink minimum. None. Buy a drink if you want but not mandatory.

[ScoobieDiver]

The Moema clinicas are not far. The Sao Paulo fears are a bit overdone if you follow sensible, secure precautions. I would consider just taking an Uber or even better AltoBomGosto will take you hunting clinica girls in his car for a very reasonable rate. He might even be able to find you a clinica girls who doesn't object to photos.

Definitely recommend hiring AltoBomGosto for newbies or those who don't speak Portuguese. Did it myself. Money very well spent. I plan on doing it again when I'm back. Saves time & money, gets you better service and hes a fun guy to hang out with.