Sao Paulo Reports

[Incrociatore]

At Enjoy, price is R250 per hour. The reception are is very nicely appointed with a fish tank. They are open 11:00 to 22:00 M-F. Sat 11:00 to 19:00. Their rooms are below average for a clinica in Moema.

Thank you, I will test and report.

[WyattEarp]

Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

I do not know Steve personally, but have corresponded with him and follow his excellent posts on the Seeking Arrangements thread. I believe if there is one guy who truly succeeds at filtering out the bad experiences, it would be Steve.

[Turgid]

I think you're being a bit too tough on Scandallo. While it's certainly possible to have duds (like any place in the world) almost all of my experiences in Scandallo have been excellent and most guys I talk to say the same. I do agree with you on the clinicas, they produce a surprisingly high percentage of GFE, which you might not think based on the set-up.

I have had such good experiences in the clinicas that I have never been inclined to go to Scandallo. However, I do intend to go there one day as the good reviews are overwhelming. Regarding the clinicas I have had tremendously good GFE and service generally there, the exceptions I have had have always been with some very young girls (all legal of course) who I have encountered only at Abbobora and Enjoy and the problem with them has been mostly lack of experience. I would not put that down as a bad experience though as the girls have been willing.

[Safado007]

What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?

[Combo]

Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.

To my complete surprise, I find a higher percentage of GFE at the clinicas than at Scandallo. Clinica girls earn only around R120-R150 per hour - a stark contrast to Scandallo girls who earn at least R500 per hour. As a true believer in the capitalist system, I shake my head at this pussy market. This market is not efficient, to say the least. Or to put it more bluntly, this market is irrational. I was taught to believe that in a capitalist market, the best performer will be rewarded with the highest money amount.

I still go to Scandallo to enjoy being in its luxurious ambience. However, I am much more careful about going to room now. I used to go to room with any girls I found optically pleasing and who answered yes to all my interview questions. After I got burned a number of times, now I know that many girls don't keep their promises made during the interviews.

I think you're being a bit too tough on Scandallo. While it's certainly possible to have duds (like any place in the world) almost all of my experiences in Scandallo have been excellent and most guys I talk to say the same. I do agree with you on the clinicas, they produce a surprisingly high percentage of GFE, which you might not think based on the set-up.

[DiverOyster]

Salaam Mr Oyster.

I talked about the Three Frescuras earlier. "Payment in advance" is a new one, a fourth frescura. I only encountered it this year. I got the impression that certain managers in certain clubs started to condone this bad behavior on the part of girls against gringos. A lot of guys coming from the US are fooled because they think this is normal behavior. It is definitely not normal behavior in Brazil.

On the one occasion this happened to me -- the girl asking for payment on entering the room -- I asked if she meant she wanted to cancel. She said yes. So I simply went back to reception, called for the manager, and got his apologies. I didn't have to pay for the girl or the room.

It's not quite as bad as that. You should get to know the names of managers and threaten to complain if a girl starts acting crazy. No matter how sharky a girl acts, she doesn't really want to be the object of a scene and get a bad reputation in the club. Try to remember that she has a lot more to lose than you do, especially if you are only a couple of weeks in town.

I want to say in fairness that I have met some amazing top-quality girls in Scandallo. I just wish the management would understand the importance of maintaining the reputation of the club. Sometimes even the clerks will try little scams. Every time they win R10 in change, they miss R1000 in lost business.

I did meet some amazing top-quality girls at Scandallo also. However, I had to wade through a bunch of bad ones to find the gems. They all promise GFE services until we got into the room, then a high number of them reveal themselves as some low-class street hookers.

[The Cane]

Aha. That explains a bit. I always say there is only one place in the world with guaranteed optics and service. And that's Globe. It has its downsides too. But it is the only place I know where you are 100% certain of the experience. So you are fortunate and maybe a bit spoiled. LOL.

Yeah my hit percentage worldwide tends to be quite good. Maybe 5-7 poor experiences out of 100 girls. Feel pretty good about that. Think my Portuguese helps in Scandallo.

My worldwide hit percentage is excellent as well. I do not speak good Portuguese, so that certainly is not required in Scandallo to enjoy awesome success. Fucked so many hot girls there, with a high anal percentage too!

[Steve 9696]

Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.
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Aha. That explains a bit. I always say there is only one place in the world with guaranteed optics and service. And that's Globe. It has its downsides too. But it is the only place I know where you are 100% certain of the experience. So you are fortunate and maybe a bit spoiled. LOL.

Yeah my hit percentage worldwide tends to be quite good. Maybe 5-7 poor experiences out of 100 girls. Feel pretty good about that. Think my Portuguese helps in Scandallo.

[DiverOyster]

Wow. I am a bit surprised by the negative review. Never heard anything but good things about Scandallo. I guess I've only taken 4 girls but the service was always top notch and unrushed. From an 8 on service to a full on 10. This was pre Covid tho. Maybe you have been enough that the stats have conspired against you. Still my fave spot on earth and can't wait to get back.

Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.

Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.

To my complete surprise, I find a higher percentage of GFE at the clinicas than at Scandallo. Clinica girls earn only around R120-R150 per hour - a stark contrast to Scandallo girls who earn at least R500 per hour. As a true believer in the capitalist system, I shake my head at this pussy market. This market is not efficient, to say the least. Or to put it more bluntly, this market is irrational. I was taught to believe that in a capitalist market, the best performer will be rewarded with the highest money amount.

I still go to Scandallo to enjoy being in its luxurious ambience. However, I am much more careful about going to room now. I used to go to room with any girls I found optically pleasing and who answered yes to all my interview questions. After I got burned a number of times, now I know that many girls don't keep their promises made during the interviews.

[Steve 9696]

Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come. For example, she may DFK for five minutes and then quit kissing, or she will fuck for about 15 minutes and then rush you to hurry up because time is over while there is still about 30 minutes left on the hour. Every girl is a free lancer. There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.

At the average hourly rate of R1000 per session (R500 for the garota, R250 for the room or takeout fee, R250 drinks during interviews) Scandallo is not exactly a dirt cheap place to go through a series of bad apples before you find a true passionate GFE provider. I did burn a pile of cash at this place with bad experiences. The bad apples are also promising and passionate during the pre-room interviews so it maybe difficult to weed them out until you actually get into the room. Lots of Scandallo girls are seasoned hard-core prostitutes so they know how to hook in a clients during pre-room interviews. Therefore, at Scandallo, you may step into a landmine trap that will blow up on your face at any moment. You will have to chuckle and swallow your disappointment and write off your roughly R1,000 as a bad investment loss. You have just made a bad judgment. You just have to move on to the next target and hopefully find a passionate Gfe provider.

It's a shame because the Scandallo girls make a very lucrative income comparing to the average Sao Paulo worker. To put things into perspectives, an average white-collar college-educated professional earns around R4,000-R5,000 per month in Sao Paulo, from what I know. A Scandallo girl can sleep with you for one night and earn around R1,500 to R2,000, tax free, so she should try her best to provide the GFE service at such price level.

However, I did find one wonderful GFE girl with whom I spend the night for R1,500. After that one night, we have been exchanging loving messages on WhatsApp everyday and she has agreed to come to Sao Paulo to stay 4 entire days at my apartment for R4,000. Of course, I have to work during the day so I can only spend time with her after 6PM or so. While I am at work, she is free to roam. I am waiting to see how this 4-day experiment will turn out. If it turns out wonderful, this girl is a keeper for sure.

Wow. I am a bit surprised by the negative review. Never heard anything but good things about Scandallo. I guess I've only taken 4 girls but the service was always top notch and unrushed. From an 8 on service to a full on 10. This was pre Covid tho. Maybe you have been enough that the stats have conspired against you. Still my fave spot on earth and can't wait to get back.

[Polyamorist]

Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come.

Salaam Mr Oyster.

I talked about the Three Frescuras earlier. "Payment in advance" is a new one, a fourth frescura. I only encountered it this year. I got the impression that certain managers in certain clubs started to condone this bad behavior on the part of girls against gringos. A lot of guys coming from the US are fooled because they think this is normal behavior. It is definitely not normal behavior in Brazil.

On the one occasion this happened to me -- the girl asking for payment on entering the room -- I asked if she meant she wanted to cancel. She said yes. So I simply went back to reception, called for the manager, and got his apologies. I didn't have to pay for the girl or the room.

There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.

It's not quite as bad as that. You should get to know the names of managers and threaten to complain if a girl starts acting crazy. No matter how sharky a girl acts, she doesn't really want to be the object of a scene and get a bad reputation in the club. Try to remember that she has a lot more to lose than you do, especially if you are only a couple of weeks in town.

I want to say in fairness that I have met some amazing top-quality girls in Scandallo. I just wish the management would understand the importance of maintaining the reputation of the club. Sometimes even the clerks will try little scams. Every time they win R10 in change, they miss R1000 in lost business.

[DiverOyster]

Seems Scandallo has been open for almost 3 weeks.

How is the situation there now?

How is the talent level ATM?

Is the curfew affecting the club? Does it have to close early?

I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.

Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come. For example, she may DFK for five minutes and then quit kissing, or she will fuck for about 15 minutes and then rush you to hurry up because time is over while there is still about 30 minutes left on the hour. Every girl is a free lancer. There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.

At the average hourly rate of R1000 per session (R500 for the garota, R250 for the room or takeout fee, R250 drinks during interviews) Scandallo is not exactly a dirt cheap place to go through a series of bad apples before you find a true passionate GFE provider. I did burn a pile of cash at this place with bad experiences. The bad apples are also promising and passionate during the pre-room interviews so it maybe difficult to weed them out until you actually get into the room. Lots of Scandallo girls are seasoned hard-core prostitutes so they know how to hook in a clients during pre-room interviews. Therefore, at Scandallo, you may step into a landmine trap that will blow up on your face at any moment. You will have to chuckle and swallow your disappointment and write off your roughly R1,000 as a bad investment loss. You have just made a bad judgment. You just have to move on to the next target and hopefully find a passionate Gfe provider.

It's a shame because the Scandallo girls make a very lucrative income comparing to the average Sao Paulo worker. To put things into perspectives, an average white-collar college-educated professional earns around R4,000-R5,000 per month in Sao Paulo, from what I know. A Scandallo girl can sleep with you for one night and earn around R1,500 to R2,000, tax free, so she should try her best to provide the GFE service at such price level.

However, I did find one wonderful GFE girl with whom I spend the night for R1,500. After that one night, we have been exchanging loving messages on WhatsApp everyday and she has agreed to come to Sao Paulo to stay 4 entire days at my apartment for R4,000. Of course, I have to work during the day so I can only spend time with her after 6PM or so. While I am at work, she is free to roam. I am waiting to see how this 4-day experiment will turn out. If it turns out wonderful, this girl is a keeper for sure.

[DiverOyster]

Can I know the price?

At Enjoy, price is R250 per hour. The reception are is very nicely appointed with a fish tank. They are open 11:00 to 22:00 M-F. Sat 11:00 to 19:00. Their rooms are below average for a clinica in Moema.

[Vagabundo1]

See the book, shantaram, for a good discussion.

Yes, it's the same in many countries. I think since the dawn of history in every society pimps have been rightly despised as parasites and prohibited. But still, they keep creeping up on us.

Whenever there is a girl earning a lot of money in a poor society and she is not too experienced in life, there are going to be guys trying to take that money, sometimes organized groups of guys. Generally they stay in the background as much as possible -- no monger wants to go with a girl who is pimped, so she is sworn to keep it a secret with dire threats from the controlling party. However, once the pimps get too much control over the industry they get a lot more brazen. They come out in the open, start to fuck alongside the customers. By this stage the real customers are treated like beta males by the girls. That is what many of us have been seeing in the European FKK scene with the Romanians and Albanians and so on. That is why we always need to be alert against the incursions of pimps. We know what the endgame is.

There are a lot of red flags to watch out for. If a girl comes to your place and the first thing she does is take out her cellphone and start reporting to a third party, be suspicious. If a girl seems enthused on Whatsapp but nervous in person, be suspicious. If a girl always uses the same driver or tries to avoid you seeing her driver, be suspicious. If she sends scammy plea messages in English be super-suspicious. There are measures you can take to avoid these things or screen out those girls entirely. Believe me, you don't want that kind of girl. When you talk to that girl you don't know who you're really talking to at all.

Apart from that, you don't want to fund that kind of whre-slavery -- possibly the original prototype for wage-slavery within the broader society. Every girl must be free. No controlling middlemen, nobody creating artificial barriers between service provider and consumer..

[Polyamorist]

Prostitution is legal in Brazil but pimps are not.

Yes, it's the same in many countries. I think since the dawn of history in every society pimps have been rightly despised as parasites and prohibited. But still, they keep creeping up on us.

Whenever there is a girl earning a lot of money in a poor society and she is not too experienced in life, there are going to be guys trying to take that money, sometimes organized groups of guys. Generally they stay in the background as much as possible -- no monger wants to go with a girl who is pimped, so she is sworn to keep it a secret with dire threats from the controlling party. However, once the pimps get too much control over the industry they get a lot more brazen. They come out in the open, start to fuck alongside the customers. By this stage the real customers are treated like beta males by the girls. That is what many of us have been seeing in the European FKK scene with the Romanians and Albanians and so on. That is why we always need to be alert against the incursions of pimps. We know what the endgame is.

There are a lot of red flags to watch out for. If a girl comes to your place and the first thing she does is take out her cellphone and start reporting to a third party, be suspicious. If a girl seems enthused on Whatsapp but nervous in person, be suspicious. If a girl always uses the same driver or tries to avoid you seeing her driver, be suspicious. If she sends scammy plea messages in English be super-suspicious. There are measures you can take to avoid these things or screen out those girls entirely. Believe me, you don't want that kind of girl. When you talk to that girl you don't know who you're really talking to at all.

Apart from that, you don't want to fund that kind of whre-slavery -- possibly the original prototype for wage-slavery within the broader society. Every girl must be free. No controlling middlemen, nobody creating artificial barriers between service provider and consumer.

But don't get me wrong. I am not saying every boate or clinica manager is a pimp. There are many who are great guys and really have the customer's interests at hearts. It is only when a manager tells a girl to start deceiving the customers, it is at that exact moment that he stops being a manager and starts being a pimp. If a girl likes the customers and wants to do good, imagine how uncomfortable she must feel at that moment -- under the threat of being fired or excluded from the industry. We must not fund those kinds of enterprises.