Sao Paulo Reports

[Steve 9696]

First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.

I have no idea what the average age is, but I am mid-fifties and the girls I was with were all early or mid twenties. Without exception they seemed THRILLED to go with me. I am reasonably trim and have most of my hair but honestly I am pretty sure that doesn't matter. I have to say Brasileiras seem to look past age much easier than others from what I can see.

Can't say that my experience with Thifany is typical (she is the one I flew to London for a week after knowing her for a total of five hours) but she is 23 (had her birthday dinner in London!) and said she prefers older men. She said her last boyfriend was also in his fifties and that younger men are more rough and demanding. FWIW.

But in summary, you need no game. Only cash and a willingness to engage.

That said, the FKK is EASIER if you are new to this most of the girls speak some English and the rooms are right onsite. If you do Brazil and have the coin, then do Scandallo similar to FKK on the 'ease of use' front.

Ps if u do go FKK, Sharks is a great choice. And I would recommend FKK over Thailand for sure.

[Jim00]

That's quite an extreme difference in Geographical location. And different women. Some guys can only handle European, white girls, and other guys like myself like them caramel coated.

If you have no experience in Latin America, it is not the ideal, entry level destination for someone who feeling confident as a monger (unless you have a wingman to show you around). I admit I had no experience in South America when I did my first ever, dedicated mongering trip to Medellin. But, I'd had some P4P experiences in the US and Germany previously and I was feeling ready for anything after that. If you are going solo, you might consider Thailand or the Philippines, where they make it real easy for you. While I would not want you to over think your mongering debut, I do think you should RETHINK this a bit. When you narrow it between a particular FKK in a particular city in Europe and no particular place in a particular city in South America, you have pretty much excluded 99% of the mongering options. There might be a better place for you to get your feet wet and not have as many details to worry about. Just a thought.

For me, the caramel coat is something I'm used to in the US.

For SP, I've found this site and it appears to be very informative: https://the-w-h-o-r-e-monger.com/sao...els-sex-clubs/ (remove dashes).

I, certainly, don't want to jump off a cliff; however, this site makes it seem like you can do clinics to find WGs to connect with later. And, the club scene reminds me of strip clubs with VIP rooms.

Honestly though, I have no way of knowing if link above is even remotely correct. If someone who has mongered in SP can confirm it's veracity, I would greatly appreciate it. I won't book a trip until January so I haven't committed to anything. Thanks for posting!

[Eszpresszo]

First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.

That's quite an extreme difference in Geographical location. And different women. Some guys can only handle European, white girls, and other guys like myself like them caramel coated.

But as far as language goes, its not an issue in Germany. When I lived there back in 1980, it was difficult to learn German because the Germans were so fluent in English. They'd get tired of listening to you attempt German and just start talking to you in English. I had to assert myself to learn the language (which I sadly forgot in the past decade or two). Now I'm trying to learn Portuguese for a trip to Brazil next year. This is one reason Germany is popular with Anglophones. Its also ultra modern, has a good infrastructure as well as being expensive in most aspects with boring, bland cuisine. But, its a safe country and a good entry level destination. All you need is cash. And if you plan to do a lot of mongering, you will need a lot of it.

How would you imagine you would be competing with younger mongers? I just turned 61 and believe me, my age is the last thing I care about. There is no competition in mongering. That would be like competing with younger diners for the attention of a waitress in a restaurant. Except that mongers are usually vastly outnumbers by working girls in most situations. Working girls are competing for mongers, as you will soon find. They are hunting for you, not the other way around. In some places of the Dominican Republic, they can swarm you and solicit you rather aggressively (see my Trip Reports in the Boca Chica forum back in February 2017). Some working girls prefer older mongers because they are presumed to have less stamina and will finish quicker (that's not to say we won't make them work hard for that money).

If you have no experience in Latin America, it is not the ideal, entry level destination for someone who feeling confident as a monger (unless you have a wingman to show you around). I admit I had no experience in South America when I did my first ever, dedicated mongering trip to Medellin. But, I'd had some P4P experiences in the US and Germany previously and I was feeling ready for anything after that. If you are going solo, you might consider Thailand or the Philippines, where they make it real easy for you. While I would not want you to over think your mongering debut, I do think you should RETHINK this a bit. When you narrow it between a particular FKK in a particular city in Europe and no particular place in a particular city in South America, you have pretty much excluded 99% of the mongering options. There might be a better place for you to get your feet wet and not have as many details to worry about. Just a thought.

[Jorge Rad10]

Brasilerias are Best!

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!

I agreed with Steve, regarding the escorting in Brazil (acompanhantes in Portuguese), the escorts are fun to be with and enjoy the time they are with you, quite different when you experienced escorts from Europe (Russia is the same as in Brazil), which are treating you as customer who just needs to come. I have been in Scandallo and Connection, both places belong to the same owner but girls are not switching from one to other. Scandallo is more expensive and girls are also better, but you could also find some quality in Connection for less price.

I'm not very big fan of clinicas, but once in a while I go for a massage with a private masseur. As Steve pointed out English is not wide spread in SP or RJ, so do your task to learn some basic languages words. I'm fluent in Portuguese, which gave me big advantage with the escorts because as Mandela said "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart".

Looking forward to be back to SP even though this brazilian singer sang "there is no love in SP".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35HluEYpDs

[Jim00]

So Paulo is all about the Boate (bow-ah-chay) for a high end experience. Think of a deluxe nightclub, but where every chick wants to fuck you for money. You remember when you were first in your twenties and went to a nightclub and there were hot chicks there, but you had no game and couldn't figure out how to bed one? (Maybe that was only me). Same atmosphere here, but the only game you need is "Hi, my name is Steve" and a nice bankroll and any girl can be yours. Most all the clubs have rooms on site you rent. Some, like Sandallo, even serve you drinks while you are fucking (through a little revolving door). How sweet is that?.

First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.

[Lefeu]

This is a companion piece for my FKK buddies that collects my wisdom from my visit to SP. My best tips for success in SP. Hopefully it is useful to them and others.
...Get Cash Early.
...Learn basic Portuguese.
...Brasilerias are Best!
Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls...

Nice summary! Thanks for putting this together, very useful to newbies. The Get cash early advice got my attention as well. The last time I was in Cafe Photo, I ended up using my ATM card, as I did not have enough cash for the ladies. I also agree with the need to pick up Portuguese. Luckily for me, I find it fun learning a new language, and I speak a couple of them.

Yeah, I agree Brasileiras are the best. They insist on having as much fun as their customer. I love that attitude!

[Lefeu]

I was talking with my FKK buddies over in that forum and extolling the virtues of Brazil. For those that are interested, I said I'd explain the Brazil scene in the SP forum. So here I am. I can't profess to know everything and I am inclined to the high end of the market, so, PLEASE chime in here with your collective knowledge and let's help the FKK fellas see what they are missing...

A nice summary, comparing the FKKs to clubs in Brazil.

I have been going to FKKs since 2006, and managed to log 15+ trips, mostly around Frankfurt. I have also been to Rio close to 10 times, and to SP only once so far. If someone asked me the same question, I would advise them to visit all 3 venues, and then discuss the pros / cons of each venue. I think it depends on the personality of the monger, and how much Portuguese (or Spanish) they know. English is sufficient at the FKKs, not the case in Brazil. Hence, language ability can make a big difference in the enjoyment of a session, IMO.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

I can only agree. Was in Tangara last week while in SP. Very nice lineup and had Lucy 3 x. The managers are particularly polite. When lucy was late on my third time with her, they called her and paid her cab to speed things up. For me, Tangara is the best bet in town. And I say this after trying many clinicas in SP.

Yes, the managers are very nice. However, I have been there three times in the last two weeks and have yet to session with anyone. There were maybe one or two I could have done, but the fuck factory atmosphere with lots of guys waiting in a queue to be the next guy to fuck a girl is a real turnoff.

Did a tour of less commented on clinicas (sometimes with other ISG members):

1) Redway was nothing special, did no one;

2) Nova Pan had 4 girls (one was busy) on Thursday (holiday), normally 6 girls there, Real 100/30 minutes, are $140/60 minutes. One fairly cute slim mulatta;

3) Clinica Nara had 6 girls on Thursday, normally 9, but no one I wanted to fuck, Real 180 for posters on gpguia.net;

4) Moema Prime had one girl I liked but she was gone the next time I went. Lineup probably comparable to Clinica Miruna, if a little smaller;

5) Chanes 57,5 girls available on Thursday, none interesting, two of whom didn't even give their names during the presentation;

6) Clinica Kin Center, 5 girls on a Saurday, nobody worthwhile;

7) Cancionero, 5 girls on a Saturday, none worthwhile;

8) Abbobora, 5 girls in the presentation, two of whom just waved at us, no way worth Real 260/60 minutes.

So far I have had the best luck at Nova Ceci, Miruna, Enjoy, and Espacio Morumbi.

[LikeGirls]

Glad to be back in SP. Went to Tangara first, about 5 pm, great lineup with choice of about 12 girls, several in my wheelhouse (I like petite, slim, young, natural tits). Finally chose Lucie, a 19-year old slim girl with fabulous natural tits that only teens have. She was a sweetheart, very pretty, with lots of GFE and DFK, good tease and foreplay, delicious DATY, excellent BBBJ, and then several CFS positions. She was nice and tight. I usually like a CIM finish, but she was so tight that I easily finished in mish with her legs wrapped around me. She didn't speak any English, but we did fine with Google Translate. Wonderful value for only 150 for the hour. I gave her a nice tip, too, and she encouraged me to see her again.

Next up is my visit to Casarao.

I can only agree. Was in Tangara last week while in SP. Very nice lineup and had Lucy 3 x. The managers are particularly polite. When lucy was late on my third time with her, they called her and paid her cab to speed things up. For me, Tangara is the best bet in town. And I say this after trying many clinicas in SP.

[Steve 9696]

I was talking with my FKK buddies over in that forum and extolling the virtues of Brazil. For those that are interested, I said I'd explain the Brazil scene in the SP forum. So here I am. I can't profess to know everything and I am inclined to the high end of the market, so, PLEASE chime in here with your collective knowledge and let's help the FKK fellas see what they are missing.

First I should mention that the primary club venues of Rio and SP are completely different. Rio is famous for its Termas (Sauna), which is the closest equivalent to an FKK. Has sort of the lounge around in a robe and drink whiskey vibe while picking out nice girls to fuck. I have not actually experienced this, so go to the Rio thread or someone else chime in, but Monte Carlo and Solarium looked appealing in this regard to me.

São Paulo is all about the Boate (bow-ah-chay) for a high end experience. Think of a deluxe nightclub, but where every chick wants to fuck you for money. You remember when you were first in your twenties and went to a nightclub and there were hot chicks there, but you had no game and couldn't figure out how to bed one? (Maybe that was only me). Same atmosphere here, but the only game you need is "Hi, my name is Steve" and a nice bankroll and any girl can be yours. Most all the clubs have rooms on site you rent. Some, like Sandallo, even serve you drinks while you are fucking (through a little revolving door). How sweet is that?

Top Boates in SP include Scandallo and BomBoa (Cafe Photo?) at the high end and Casarao is one notch down, but some real gems working there too. In Campinas (60 miles NW) there is Fazendinha out in the country -- holds pools parties and such also so might have some FKK like aspect, but I was only there at night. And Moustache is a tiny place in town, but the girls were hot.

During the day, there is a whole nuther thing going on with the Clinicas. Here, you go and have a beer in a waiting area, and they bring the girls in a parade one by one to choose from (like Brothels in Spain). The facilities can vary from quite dingy to quite nice. And the girls vary ALOT between Clinicas and even time of day. This was not really my thing, but I did have some quality sex and BBBJ with a pretty girl with a smokin body for $30. So there is high value here. Others are real fans of this scene and should please chime in.

Then of course there is a much seedier scene and even lower prices. However I think even more buyer beware and safety issues than RLD.

Hope this is helpful to my FKK buddies and maybe other SP noobs. See also the companion thread on tips and tricks. Have fun!

[Steve 9696]

This is a companion piece for my FKK buddies that collects my wisdom from my visit to SP. My best tips for success in SP. Hopefully it is useful to them and others.

Get Cash Early.

As people have said, use cash when you can. But here is the rub. Unlike other civilized countries, the hotels don't all have cash machines and the bank ones are locked up at 10 PM. So if you get horny at 11 PM, you are going to be using credit. Get your cash during the day so you are ready at night. Oh and beware not all the love motels take American plastic. Almost got stuck at one (u pay at the end) until we scrounged a few bills. Whew.

Brasileira Bunda.

The Brasileira bunda (butt) is an amazing thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation. I have never seen it outside of Brazil. And even though I am an avowed tit man, I became a fan.

Uber Rules.

Take Uber everywhere. It is so cheap you don't even need to budget for it. Like I literally drove across town in Caxias do Sul and it was $3.

Boates (pronounced Bow-ah-chay).

The boates don't get rolling till late. If you go at 11 you will be early. I am not kidding. If you are still there at 3 you will have plenty of company.

Do Your Research if Going Online.

Finding gems is not a fluke. You have to dig deeper than a pretty face. Google their phone number. Stalk their Twitter. Go on gpguia.com and read their reviews. Mary Ninfeta has 40+ glowing reviews. My gem is no accident.

Learn basic Portuguese.

This totally changes the vibe. They are so impressed that you bothered they already like you better. And it really helps make it all less awkward. You can learn enough to be dangerous in 10-15 hours of content. So say a month at a half hour a day. Do it on your commute. It is an investment worth making.

Awkward Hotel Registration for Outcall.

If you bring her back to your hotel you are going to have to register her. There could be a small fee. The big thing is you have to be there with her signing her in. Can prove awkward for day meetings and trying to time so colleagues are not there.

Love Motels Rule!

Love motels are great and cheap. Maybe $20-25 for the time you need. Plus they have mirrors everywhere which is a bonus. There are plenty in Sao Paulo near the venues and there is one near Boate Ilha in Caxias do Sul. But its a 20 minute drive to one in Campinas.

Tattoos are Standard.

Virtually all the working girls have tattoos, even the innocent looking ones. You may not see them -- because they choose their clothes strategically. For example I now realize Duda's thigh high boots were to cover a large evil skull on her thigh. And she is actually tattedup nearly head to toe. Fortunately I thought the skull and all the rest rather badass. Eduarda, my Moustache girl had a pretty serious backplate. So just be prepared.

Brasilerias are Best!

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!

[Member #4732]

Totally agree with you. I've been using Uber during my visit and it is very cheap and efficient.

I use the metro sporadically now that is comes to Moema. I use it if I am out during rush hour. For example, I may uber to a place at 3 pm but take the metro back at 5 pm. Or if I am going on a longer journey, for example from Moema to Tatuape, or Pompeia, or Santana. So it all depends on the time and distance. I certainly wouldn't take it over Uber for a short trip during non peak hours.

[R The Man]

Glad to be back in SP. Went to Tangara first, about 5 pm, great lineup with choice of about 12 girls, several in my wheelhouse (I like petite, slim, young, natural tits). Finally chose Lucie, a 19-year old slim girl with fabulous natural tits that only teens have. She was a sweetheart, very pretty, with lots of GFE and DFK, good tease and foreplay, delicious DATY, excellent BBBJ, and then several CFS positions. She was nice and tight. I usually like a CIM finish, but she was so tight that I easily finished in mish with her legs wrapped around me. She didn't speak any English, but we did fine with Google Translate. Wonderful value for only 150 for the hour. I gave her a nice tip, too, and she encouraged me to see her again.

Next up is my visit to Casarao.

[R The Man]

I don't understand why you would take the metro when Uber is available and so cheap. If you want you can make Uber even cheaper by taking Juntos choice.

I guess metro makes sense during rush hour but then you are standing in a packed car.

Totally agree with you. I've been using Uber during my visit and it is very cheap and efficient.

[DoMat]

I don't understand why you would take the metro when Uber is available and so cheap. If you want you can make Uber even cheaper by taking Juntos choice.

I guess metro makes sense during rush hour but then you are standing in a packed car.