Sao Paulo Reports

[Tom Dick 69]

I was mostly visiting the places in Villa Mariana.

Villa Mariana. Centro:

Rua Joinville, 607. Neo Zen Spa: On Fri 12:20 pm, 2 girls rating 6/10, looks age 30. Prices: Tantrica - 300, Thailand (massage with boobs) - 400, Nuru - 500. All hourly prices. Sex. Extra 300, but easily down to 200. They told 5 girls work there, and 3-4 pm is best to visit. Even their cheapest option was expensive for me, and that too with avg girl, so didn't do session.

Avenue Conselheiro Rodrigue Alves, 920: Went on Fri 2 pm. The place has big door outside, and it was closed. I rang the bell, but no body opened.

Avenue Conselheiro Rodrigue Alves, 925: It's opposite to the above place. The whole building is demolished.

Rua Tangara, 200: It's a standard reliable place. 140/30 190/60. 15 girls work every day, rating 6-8/10. Hot water shower. Seems BBBJ is standard, out of 3 sessions, 2 girls did BBBJ.

Villa Mariana. North:

Rua do Parasio, 642: The building is demolished. The corner house is -632, it has camera outside. So, I thought this could be the place, but based on the guy answer from inside, it's not a chica place. The space next to is a big empty space. I. e. -642 building is no longer there.

Rua Vergueiro, 2339: Went on Mon 3:30 pm. 5 girls rating 6/10, looks age 30.90/30 180/ HR. I was asked to come on Friday to see more girls.

Rua Dr Jose de Queiros Aranha, 82: This is a new place not in the maps. On Mon 4 pm, 4 girls, rating 6/10, all looks age 30.100/30,200/60. Rooms are average, with common shower, no hot water.

Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148:15 girls, 5 presented, rating 6-7/10. Other girls were busy or on lunch. 140/30 190/60. 10 am-10 pm, Sun 11 am-9 pm. I was told Fri 4 pm is best time visit. The receptionist guy spoke good english, and he told the owner here is same as Clinica Tangara.

Rua Machado de Assis, 449: It seems the building is going through construction and not being occupied. I saw 3 guys inside, seems to be construction workers. One guy gave me the above address 'Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148'. So, he knows why I was there and since he gave the address, I assumed the building is not occupied.

Av. Guimaraes Passos, 399: A young girl, looks age 25, answered from inside. She told no massagem. Maybe they are discreet and said no to me.

Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao, 147: This seems to be a popular place, I have seen 5 guys in 20 minutes I was there. Hours 11 am-7 pm, Sat noon-6 pm, Closed on Sundays and holidays. 185/60, 275/90. Four hands - 310. I don't understand why this is popular. You rarely get to see the girls in person, only on photos even while you are at the location. Wait time for the girl is like 1-2 hours. I didn't want to risk choosing a girl just based on photos. For eg: Anita looks good on photos, but not when I saw in person. I appreciate if someone could explain why this is a popular place.

Villa Mariana. South:

Rua. Dos Otonis, 541: On Sat 2:50 pm, it was closed. The entrance to 2nd floor has a sign saying it's a hair saloon (barberia).

Rua dos Otonis, 694: On Sat 3 pm, it was closed. I rang / knocked, after some time a man from inside told something in Portuguese. He didn't even open the door, I just heard the voice. My best guess is he said it's closed. So, maybe it is closed on Saturdays. All signs for this being a higher end place. Semi discreet place, parking lot in front, camera at the entrance.

Rua Loefgren, 1438: On Sat 3:30 pm, 1 girl 7/10,3 others were busy. 250/ HR FS, 190/30 FS. I was told half of the girls will be on vacation on Saturdays. When I asked for best time to visit to see more girls, he told me come at 1 pm on Monday (or maybe any weekday). 11 am-9 pm, Sat 11 am-7 pm. He told they are open on alternative Sundays.

Rua Loefgren, 927: Went on Sat 3:45 pm. It was closed. I rang, but no one opened. There is a sign on the side that says 'Vendo'.

Rua Luis Gois, 820: On Sat 4 pm, closed. I rang / knocked, but no one opened. But it's still the same place, since the sign outside lists their whatsapp number which is same one in ISG maps.

Rua Dom ANtonino Galvao, 266: Went on Sat 4:30 pm. Saw 5-7 girls, rating 6-7/10.140/30 190/ HR. A guy I met at Clinica Tangara told that this place, along with Clinica Tangara and 'Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148' are by the same owner. Seems he is right looking at the pricing structure.

[Nitro2000]

What you want to say.

I also prefer sometimes direkt booking, but only when I have a status level there and get some extra % or a coupon code on birthday etc 😁 . But sometimes I have to choose another path, and I will definetly not pay the big ones 10-30% more than necessary. Because you also surely know, that their prices (fees) have to generate a big plus to satisfy their stockholders. 😂.

And yes, on that platform you have to register before you can see the prices, because thei are (in average, not every time of course) so low in comparison to the average travel industry prices, that they are now allowed to show directly (according the so called RateParityAgreement between the hotels and the big portals. If you have heard of that) . E. g in Vegas, in the top notch hotels I saved very very often hundreds of $$ booking with them 😎.

Nitro, I have been playing this game a long time and I learned to only book with the hotel sites themselves and a handful of reputable internet booking sites like Expedia, Booking, and Agoda. 90% of the time I get the lowest rate possible although occasionally I see an extremely attractive, low ball, hotel price from some internet outfit that does not have the best reputation or online reviews and you know what? I don't even consider the offer because it is risky and I don't like risky when it comes to my hotel reservations. With direct corporate hotel reservations and with reservations on sites like Expedia et al, I know my reservation will be honored exactly as stated and I know I will get a refund if one is necessary. With these lowball sites I don't know anything.

But I am glad travel-4-less.com worked for you. I checked out their website and they shunted me off to locktrip.com. Now I don't know who these guys are or how reliable they are, or what their track record is, but I played along to see just how low their prices really were. But I hit a dead end at the next step because the locktrip would not show me its hotel prices without my giving them my email address which I did not feel like doing. Stalemate. But like I said, I am aware of several lowball travel websites and I don't do business with them because their overall consumer reviews vary from good to terrible.

[Axel Heyst]

It is not necessary to pay that amounts for hotels if you know how to do it the right way.

For Sao Paulo, I often book the hotels directly with them (If they have a rewards program) during the cyberweek in November (big discounts), if I already know when I want to go the following year.

If not possible, I book via travel-4-less.com and can safe often a small fortune (that I can spend then for other expenses).

Use WWVRY as an extra 5% for first booking, but no guarantee. For me it worked (few months ago).

Nitro, I have been playing this game a long time and I learned to only book with the hotel sites themselves and a handful of reputable internet booking sites like Expedia, Booking, and Agoda. 90% of the time I get the lowest rate possible although occasionally I see an extremely attractive, low ball, hotel price from some internet outfit that does not have the best reputation or online reviews and you know what? I don't even consider the offer because it is risky and I don't like risky when it comes to my hotel reservations. With direct corporate hotel reservations and with reservations on sites like Expedia et al, I know my reservation will be honored exactly as stated and I know I will get a refund if one is necessary. With these lowball sites I don't know anything.

But I am glad travel-4-less.com worked for you. I checked out their website and they shunted me off to locktrip.com. Now I don't know who these guys are or how reliable they are, or what their track record is, but I played along to see just how low their prices really were. But I hit a dead end at the next step because the locktrip would not show me its hotel prices without my giving them my email address which I did not feel like doing. Stalemate. But like I said, I am aware of several lowball travel websites and I don't do business with them because their overall consumer reviews vary from good to terrible.

[OJeito]

During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

I had a similar experience with my usual go to hotel during the height of covid, hotel cadoro in SP. 39 usd in December 2020!! Today the same room will set you back 93 usd!!

[HiddenEye]

As I was talking to an ISG member who asked about the pics I post. Most of them butt oriented. Yeahm I'm a fetishist LOL.

Maybe more than 50% of escorts I've met in Brazil and Colombia agree to a sexy shoot. So, modeling gives them a nice extra for exercising their beauty.

The sport of models is different, it may take a few photo shoots to finally fuck the hottie who is not habitue of boates. For example. We got drunk and fucked with this hottie "patricinha" only at the third photo shoot when I took her to a love motel. She loved Vodka-Laranja as much as I do.

Since then I have shot her 3 more times where we left the city for an entire day until she got a BF she wanted to be loyal. Fortunately she had the idea to introduce another model, the japa next to her on the beach chair with a solid muscle ass! Crazy girl BTW.

So for me, the first encounter is a true investment to open doors.

Note: Girls get nice sun tans, it's summer time down here!

[Torgoch]

I have found the people who run ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management..

Just to clarify, this should say.

"I have found the people who run KIN ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management. ".

I'm not referring to Unique here. I tried editing the previous message but it won't let me.

[Nitro2000]

It is not necessary to pay that amounts for hotels if you know how to do it the right way.

For Sao Paulo, I often book the hotels directly with them (If they have a rewards program) during the cyberweek in November (big discounts), if I already know when I want to go the following year.

If not possible, I book via travel-4-less.com and can safe often a small fortune (that I can spend then for other expenses).

Use WWVRY as an extra 5% for first booking, but no guarantee. For me it worked (few months ago).

During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

[WyattEarp]

I get your point, but I think it is reasonable to compare one Latam country vs another, or one major city vs another major city. I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league. Airbnb rates in both cities are pretty much the same, so are Uber rates. High end restaurants are a bit more expensive in SP, but not 2 x. I think most of us compare costs in each developing country when deciding where to go. And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck.

PS. I just looked it up, and the average living costs in Colombia are only 20-30% lower than in Brazil. However, the difference in p4p rates is huge

It's always reasonable to compare cities particularly on the same continent. However, I don't think I would say SP and Medellin are exactly in the same league. I think Nounce did a good job of pointing out the differences and local prices.

Overall, Sao Paulo is a cosmopolitan city that is approximately six times larger than MDE. Being the focal point of a much, much larger economy gives it far more wealth and energy. While you can find people living well in Colombia and any country, there are enormous upper and middle classes in Sao Paulo. Mexico City might be a better comparison to Sao Paulo.

This leaves out of the discussion of what types of women one is looking for and what types of venues interests one. As far as venues, Sao Paulo does offer a lot of types and levels.

One last note, it would seem to me that on first glimpse foreign tourists impact the Colombian sex market more than Sao Paulo. I'm not sure what that means to overall prices, but it suggests to me that again SP has enough wealth to support a vibrant sex scene without sex tourists. You and others might have a different perception of this dynamic.

Anyhow, these discussions might appear mundane to some but they help newbies determine what is important to them in a destination in relation to their wallet.

[Torgoch]

Visited 2 new-to-me clinicas in the western part of town. Unique Spa and Kin Center.

Great report, many thanks. I think it is good to let the forum know about alternative locations. I also went to these places on my Sampa trip in summer 2022 and both are worth a visit.

There is a link between Unique and Kin as the people who used to run Kin – Moises and Vanessa – left a while ago and have opened up Unique. Moises and Vanessa are both great and I have always been treated well by them. I have found the people who run ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management.

So why do I go to Kin? – well, Brooklin used to be just down the road until it moved, and there are several highly rated girls who work at Kin – Tiffany (who used to work at Mirunas) and Camilla (who used to work at Brooklin). Both are highly rated on Gpguia and I can testify that Tiffany is well worth it IF you can get her as her time is usually pretty well booked up in advance. I've never been with Camilla but she is a highly rated MILF on Gpguia. My favourite at Kin, and my reason for frequenting, is Helena (who used to be known as Fernanda at Brooklin). Price in July 2022 (without gpguia discount) was 220 reais for an hour. There are also other clinicas in the area. Cancionero is a short walk away the other side of Av. Petroque Junior and Espaco Morumbi is near Shopping Morumbi. These are all walkable from Morumbi or Brooklin metro stations and the area is safe during the working day. However, I rarely find anything at Cancioneiro (since Agatha moved to Mirunas) and nothing at Espaco Morumbi (where the receptionists don't seem very interested in you). I love Brazilian food, but I'm not a Michelin 5-star foodie, so I tend to eat where normal Brazilians eat out. I like to eat at South's Place Churrascaria on Av. Petroque Junior. Last time I was there (summer 2022) it was about 75 reais (minus drinks) which is about a fifth the price of Vento Haragano in Pinheiros (now closed) which cost about 350 reais when I was last there in 2019. Not high-end food but excellent value IMO – also in summer 2022 one of the management staff who walk around to check that everything is ok was slim with a mega-huge rack, which was a bonus!!

I discovered Unique Spa (via Gpguia) last summer. It is a bit of a trek to get to. I took the metro to Brooklin then got a taxi. I went with Mel and, I agree, she is great and well worth the trip out to spend time with. Price in July 2022 (without gpguia discount) was 230 reais for an hour. Moises is also a great host and it looks like he has a good line up of girls there so worth a trip. There's not much else in that area, but the new location for Brooklin is just a few 100 yards down the main road. I went in there, but it was early afternoon and there were few girls and the receptionist was a bit pushy trying to get me to go with one of the few girls there. Maybe it is worth a visit in the early evening when it will be better staffed?

Its always good to let ISGers know about alternative locations to Tangara and the Moema clinicas.

[XXL]

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

Oh dear, I need to correct myself, the price was showing on Agoda in Thai Baht, as this is the currency I'm using now in Thailand. I was assuming "B" was for Brazilian Real while it was for Thai Baht. My bad. Might go to SP in May after all. Scared of AirBnB though after being left hanging with my suitcases in the street in Faria Lima. Host didn't even bother to warn me the booking was off.

[FRobertson]

I have a thing for tall slim dark haired girls (like some Romanian girls at my nearest FKK)

For me Miruna has been a hit or miss too, but it's within an easy walking distance from Aboborra and Enjoy, so I kinda walk that triangle.

If you are interested in the tall slim dark haired girls, I saw several in Enjoy. Valentina and Hellen particularly come to mind. Not as slim maybe as a famished Romanian, but slim for a Brazilian. Nice attitude and edible, too.

How are things in Germany? Are all-inclusive partytreffs with action in the open still a thing? I enjoyed going to NRW 10-12 years ago and spending a day in each partytreff I could find, but I've read that covid and stupid government got rid of them.

[FRobertson]

Visited 2 new-to-me clinicas in the western part of town. Unique Spa and Kin Center.

* Unique Spa is at Rua Miranda Guerra, 1052.

This is inside a big residential house, with a parking patio in the front. It's in a quiet-ish residential area. There is a house number and a guy sitting on a plastic chair by the entrance. Just walk right through and the entrance to the reception will be obvious.

The whole place seems new, clean, and well-maintained. The rooms and the showers are quite spacious. There is a fully stocked fridge and a bar (costs money) and there's a grill (though I am not sure how it works and what would it take to get a piece of meat).

I showed up around noon on a weekday and they had maybe 10 girls in attendance, and more trickled in later. They have a special price that's posted on gp-guia.net - 140 per hh, 170 per HR (or was it 190? I don't remember, check it out) - but need to tell them your forum ID and show them the ad.

I had 2 fabulicous experiences and 1 weird non-experience.

The fabulicous experiences were with Mel (shorter and curvier girl-next-door) and Paty (taller and thinner girl-next-door with long and lovely hair).

I had them separately, not together. Just couldn't resist.

Both experiences were wonderful: very GFE, lots of kissing, sucking, licking, etc etc.

Then the weird non-experience: there was this girl named Renata. Another cute girl-next-door type. In the first presentation, she came to me but when I reached out to hold her hand she shook my hand off rather abruptly. Since this was after my other two encounters, I was ready to go anyway, so said to myself, whut-evah.

Then the next day I came again, and in the presentation she likewise came around to me but didn't lean in for a greeting kiss, didn't tell me her name, didn't want to make eye contact, and when I asked for her at the reception, the guy gave a long speech in Portuguese. I didn't understand the speech but I gathered that she wasn't available. Tbh I didn't want to press the issue of figuring out of she is not available in general or not available to me. If she doesn't like me, fine. At least I didn't have to pay to discover it. First time like this though.

Overall, gret impression from this place, as long as they keep the rates at the Tangara level, I will keep coming.

* Clinica Kin Center Libera Rivelino 210.

This place is located off a mini-sidestreet. If you think there should be a house, but there isn't, but there is a side street with a graffiti mural at the end. You're in the right place. There's also a sign that says "Kin" something. Or it could be a door mat. There is also a house number. Anyway, it's relatively easy to find. If you're particularly cheap, it's within walking distance from Brooklin subway station (probably less than 5 minutes walk).

This is one of those places where they ask for the payment up front. The cost is 200 for the half hour, and I forgot how much was the hour. I was there in the afternoon on a weekday, and there were maybe 10 girls available, or a few more.

I picked a girl Carla, a shorter curvy girl that was very huggy and huggable. Paid at the front desk, they took me to the room. Was super small, kinda "japanese-style" with a mattress on the bottom. Shower was normal size.

The girl did all the normal things, I enjoyed the experience.

However, it's kinda out of the way and with it being more expensive than the other places and with the pay-first thing I don't really see a reason for me to go back there.

[FRobertson]

I suppose they were GPS.

Good to know that you are specifically looking to help girls develop GPS.

Maybe next year you can do better. Why pay $1 k when you can pay $2 k.

[Nounce]

What about accommodation? This is the major hurdle in SP right now. Hotel rates in SP are through the roof. I paid Double Tree Itaim (3* hotel at best) 50 USD during the last phase of Covid. Now the same hotel is 200 USD if I want to book for May 2023. WTF. I don't even dare look up Renaissance Hotel.

I use AirBnb. You should be able to find some good ones this far ahead.

[Axel Heyst]

The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

The 1st rule of ISG is always post after your morning wakeup cup of coffee. The 2nd rule of ISG is never post when you are stoned or inebriated.

When the subject of inflated hotel prices came up I immediately thought of the hotel prices I paid during Formula 1 race week in November 2022. Prices were up 25% or more. Now I like Formula 1, but I have no intention of buying a ticket and watching the race, so I will probably get out of town during the next race week.

But I am already booked for the 2nd half of May 2023 & June 2023, and I have not seen any significant price increases. IN a quick search I found that Expedia has Double Tree listed at $115/ night for superior room with breakfast, the Renaissance at $169/ night (a bargain? And the Sheraton at $256/ night (ridiculous). Which all goes to show you that hotel prices vary a lot over time and if you want a decent hotel rate it pays to 1) avoid high demand dates, 2) start looking for rooms as soon as you know when you want to go, and 3) keep checking the rates like once a week until you find what you are looking for.

But yeah, I hear what XXL is saying. SP hotel rates are higher than the rates of comparable hotels for example say in BKK. The simple reason is that although demand for hotel rooms is higher in BKK than SP (more visitors go to BKK annually), BKK has a significantly higher number of hotel rooms available, so its hotel rates are lower priced. The critical question remains, however, who do I want to shag: Thai girls or Brazilian girls and so far since April 2021 when I 1st began shagging Brazilian girls my answer is Brazilian girls, so I accept paying higher hotel bills and forgo eating great Thai which is also considerably cheaper than Brazilian food. Oh well. I am happy, although my dream trip is Miami to Sao Paulo to Bangkok to Miami: 3 months.