Sao Paulo Reports

[Nounce]

I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down ....

I have not said there is an increase in supply.

... but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.

I already have formed my opinion so I am going to take advantage of it. I think the people talking about paradise, or living a fantasy have formed the conclusion too but I don't think your conclusion is final yet. Often we miss thing only after it's gone. I am curious to know do people mention "regret" when Hope was around?

[MiamiBoy1]

I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.

Cheap flights? I can't vouch for other cities, but roundtrips from Miami have never been so expensive as they are right now. American Airlines want $650 (economy, 3. 5 HR flight), WTF? Even JetBlue and Spirit are $400-$500 and up. For years flights from Miami were around $200-$250 tops, roundtrip.

[Eszpresszo]

I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.

You might have a point there. Until their recent demise, Medellin based Viva was flying out of Miami. These past visits in recent month I saw more foreign tourists there than in the past as well as African American men, which I never used to see in Colombia. Note that Viva went under recently. I guess the "Spirit Airlines" of Colombia didn't have the staying power. I caught my flight to GRU on Viva and I must say I won't miss those hard seats. Way too hard to be using for a 6-hour flight. But, still a value and I was planning to take Viva back to Colombia.

[Eszpresszo]

I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down, but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.

You won't see an change in the supply, if you were never there in the first place. It's like these people who go to prives or clubs that are mentioned here, and they say "I didn't see anything there". Of course, they didn't see anything there. Because they were never there in the first place, and you are no different in that respect.

Yes, supply and demand is in effect in this industry in South America. I have had a first hand view of it, recently. Went and spent three days in the Praia Grande / Sao Vincente area to hang out with a cute woman I met on Insta. She never put out for me, but we have stayed friends and she actually introduced me to another pretty lady who is a better match for me. Though that has yet to come to fruition. But, to the point, I went looking for my options on Photoacompanhates and found there was a slew of attractive girls in the range of 100-150 reais. Not what I'd expect in a tourist town. This is the greater Santos metropolitan area, just over the hills from Sao Paulo, where the media price is twice as much. I ended up leaving early and heading down to Florianopolis, where I am well acquainted with a lovely "terapista" who specializes in nuru massage with an oral finalization!

BTW, Florianopolis is the epicenter of the nuru / tantra scene in Brazil. There seems to be a steady supply of pretty but crazy young women who think that they are doing some sacred or holistic ritual through tantric massage or nuru, which they assert is pure therapy ore an exercise in spiritualism and in no way is it sex or prostitution. I think if you charge me 300 - 500 reais to slather my body in oil and rub your young nubile body on mine and make me cum, it is at least sexual. But, don't tell them that.

However, I decided to check out what the pure mongering scene was about. To my surprise there wasn't a lot to find on PA, and though there were more girls listed other websites focusing more on Santa Catarina and the region, the overall body count was low for a metropolitan area of that size. And I guess that is why prices were more on a Sao Paulo range. Starting at 150 and on up to 400. I was surprised, but maybe I shouldn't have been. There was the consolation that all these girls have their own place to work out of, and you don't need to pay for love hotel, as some of the prissy SP girls will mandate. But, that is probably because there are very few love hotels on the island of Florianopolis itself. The few I found were very expensive, though lavish. So, the women can't throw the burden of paying for a room on the client and thus have to absorb that cost for a workspace. And real estate ain't cheap on Floripa. There were few brothels on the island itself. There was a gentlemens club close to where I stayed, which I read was very nice but expensive. Used to be two prives at the end of the pedestrian commercial district of centro, on Rua Tiradentes and Rua Felipe Schmidt and there were young people (including young women) handing out small flyers for them nearby. However, its down to one now and it was never open when I went by. You have to go over the bridge to Sao Jose if you want more brothels and not surprisingly they are more abundant and cheaper, as is the selection of independent GPS. Yes, Economics 101. Literally. However, you wouldn't see this in effect, if you were never there.

[Chicago85]

What is so unique about the current hobbying situation in Medellin? Is the invasion of Venes due to the political crisis across the border providing a lot of hot women at cheap pricing? Is the recent reported sharp uptick in druggings / crimes against hobbyists all fake news? Are there new rules, regulations or lifting of prohibitions that has enhanced the mongering scene there? Are you referring to the weak COP vs. Western currency?
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I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.

[MiamiBoy1]

There is a large population of available girls that either don't have work or don't want to work because the pay is low. This is reflected on Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, Cam sites and IG. You can just go online to count. I don't know another city that comes close to the quantity available.

There are many ponds to play in. You will have to go read Medellin thread to see if you can find one you like. I will send you the links to different ISG members' posts privately.

For shorter term and for new visitors, Brazil is better. Longer term, like months, I think Medellin probably will be better.

I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down, but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.

[Batraaa]

Hey,

Planning a month long trip to Sao Paulo and would love to connect with some of you.

I read some chatter about how it gets very rainy and girla flock away from SP.

Wondering if May is a good time to visit?

If not, what other month is a good time to visit.

Also reading about Scandallo and other clubs, what's the going price for entrt / girls / room?

[Nounce]

Perhaps I am dense, but this post like your previous post is quite cryptic and doesn't explain what is currently so unique and good about Medellin.

There is a large population of available girls that either don't have work or don't want to work because the pay is low. This is reflected on Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, Cam sites and IG. You can just go online to count. I don't know another city that comes close to the quantity available.

There are many ponds to play in. You will have to go read Medellin thread to see if you can find one you like. I will send you the links to different ISG members' posts privately.

For shorter term and for new visitors, Brazil is better. Longer term, like months, I think Medellin probably will be better.

[WyattEarp]

Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.

I think people are expecting inflation to increase consistently across the board. Food, hotels, hookers, etc.

We were just talking on the Montreal thread that freelancers that were charging 350-400 Canadian dollars pre-Covid are now charging 500-600. (For several years, Canada essentially has legalized sex transactions conducted privately.).

Anyone who has done business in inflationary environments knows its easier to raise prices. The girls are testing these limits. I suspect things will stabilize. When the global money printing orgy is far behind us, we will get more rational mongering prices. I believe the Brazilian Central Bank was printing quite a bit of money during the pandemic.

[Steve 9696]

I'll keep it a bit briefer than Socrates but having been to both I totally align with his friends. My experience in Colombia is:

1. The clubs suck and are a tourist trap ripoff.

2. Facebook girls are easy and plentiful and fairly cheap.

3. The Facebook girls can't hold a candle to your average Brasileira whenbit comes to GFE. Weak BJ, light to moderate DFK and you can clearly tell they are there to "do their job". Whereas as has been pointed out numerous times, Brasileiras rule here.

4. Did have one gem that a friend referred me to. But that was the exception not the rule.

I have friends that swear by Colombia. Most have not been to Brasil. 😋 But for my money Brasil stomps Colombia and frankly is the finest garota venue on planet earth.

[The Cane]

As I said, I've never been to Colombia, so these are the opinions of my friends who are experienced in Colombia and finally discovered Brazil during and post pandemic. Almost all of them would now choose Brazil over Colombia.

I have been to Colombia. A lot! And what your friends tell you is true. Plus there's what you already know. I'm like them. I would never choose Colombia over Brazil. At least not the way things stand now. And there's nothing "wrong" with that.

[SocratesNY]

Do you think you miss anything if you just found out about MDE now? If you only use SA, you will see the price increase earlier than most.

Perhaps I am dense, but this post like your previous post is quite cryptic and doesn't explain what is currently so unique and good about Medellin.

[SocratesNY]

I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope diad not change that.

What is so unique about the current hobbying situation in Medellin? Is the invasion of Venes due to the political crisis across the border providing a lot of hot women at cheap pricing? Is the recent reported sharp uptick in druggings / crimes against hobbyists all fake news? Are there new rules, regulations or lifting of prohibitions that has enhanced the mongering scene there? Are you referring to the weak COP vs. Western currency?

I am truly curious what you mean, as you seem to imply that there are unique forces at play currently that make Medellin specifically, and maybe also Colombia in general, more preferable to Brazil for mongers at the moment. Maybe I'm overlooking something when I decided to temporarily suspend plans to visit Colombia and focus all my available hobbying time and resources in Brazil until the Real strengthens a lot vs. The Dollar. FYI, I've also decided to suspend visiting European hobbying scenes from FKKs to Spanish brotherls and SE Asian venues (Bangkok, Jakarta, etc.). All of which I've visited in the past couple of years, as the degradation of their respective hobbying scenes in terms of either value / pricing and / or service levels just doesn't make them preferable to Brazil.

I've NEVER mongered in Colombia. I have friends that go down to CTG, MDE and BOG often pre-pandemic and sang Colombia's praises. They tell me there are logistic hurdles to overcome, as most hotels, especially in CTG, are not girl friendly. You would need to usually find a guest friendly Airbnb. They also say crime against hobbyist are more prevalent than other Latin American venues, from Tijuana to Mexico City to DR to Costa Rica. In certain cities (specifically CTG, you have to deal with the annoying tutes).

They also tell me that there are many hobbying venues to choose, from online options, puta / indy night clubs, strip clubs, street girls, casa, etc. They say there is a big online scene, usually Tinder, Facebook and the like. The club scene has more gringo tourist pricing and the service levels are more restrictive. The casas are usually in more seedier neighborhoods and rooms are basic and girls are sometimes from the bottom of the barrel. They tell me getting some GFE services, that are basically standard in most western hobbying venues (US, Canada and Europe), like BBBJ and DFK have to be negotiated and often times a firm "no" is still given, especially at the higher end venues. But if you take the time find the right girl (s) or spend the time weeding out the non-GFE girls, you can have a great time.

Even with all the above, they still love Colombia due to the hot Colombian and Venezuelan women, the strong dollar vs. COP. They tell me it's a great place to visit as a group of friends for hobbying, as the group dynamic negates most of the logistical obstacles, pitfalls, dangers and cons of the Colombian hobbying scene. Flights are plentiful and cheap and flight distance isn't too long from most of the US. There are lots of great places to eat that doesn't burn a hole in your wallet. And Spanish, which is more taught and known in the US, is spoken.

However, they did warn me that new solo or smaller groups traveling there will have to be more wary, as it takes more preparation, more research, etc. To have a successful trip. Colombia is not as easy to hobby in as some of the point and shoot hobbying destinations such as DR or CR (I would also now add Brazil as well, but my friends and I hadn't been there pre-pandemic), especially for a 1 week or less trip and you are used to the amenities from staying at nice hotels.

So based on the above, the significant increase in crime against hobbyists and my friends not planning to visit Colombia anytime soon (one of the reason is that they discovered Brazil during the Pandemic! I've put Colombia on hold. After discovering the wonders of Brazil, I can't imagine myself choosing to go to Colombia over Brazil as long as the BRL remains above 4. 0 vs. 1 USD.

I've found Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro to be have a huge and diverse hobbying scene. Everything that is available in Colombia is available in Brazil, but larger, more diverse, more robust and more developed. The STANDARD / BASE and AVERAGE service levels of the Brazilian garotas blow Colombian chicas away.

You don't need to do a lot of prep work and invest time in the online game in Brazil to have a good GFE session at value pricing in Brazil, but you can if you wish to, as there tons of options via online escorts, SA / MP, Tinder, Twitter, etc.

The boates and termas in Brazil blow the night clubs / strip clubs in Colombia out of the water (according to my friends who have been to both). They don't have the same gringo tourist trap vibe, as the ones in Brazil mostly caters to the local, both white and blue collar. They tell me any of the top 5 clubs mentioned in this forum (Scandallo, Caf Photo, Bomboa, Connection and Casarao) are better than those found in Colombia.

The clinicas / massage scene is also more robust than the casa scene in Colombia. You can go from cheap prive to normal clinicas to high end massage place in Brazil, all with higher average service level than Colombia casas and at the high end place in Brazil, you will receive a near guaranteed GFE level of services with top end girls.

I won't compare the hotness of Brazilian women vs. Colombian / Venezuelan women, as that's highly subjective. I'll just say that I find top end women from all 3 countries to be super hot! However, Brazil definitely has more diversity due to its immigration history, as you can find girls with Irish, Germanic, Nordic, Western and Eastern European, Slavic, Italian, Asian, Latin African and Indian / Indigenous looks pretty easily in Sao Paulo. It's almost like Dubai in a way, but the talent is generally local to Brazil, rather than imported from abroad.

I also love that 99% of the hotels in Sao Paulo are girl friendly, from the cheap places up to luxury 5 star hotels. That is not the case in Colombia, especially in Cartagena. That makes overnights at your own place challenging unless you get a guest friendly Airbnb, which lacks many of the amenities, convenience and safety elements provided by hotels. They also love the diverse love motel scene in Sao Paulo with high end places like Lush, Asturias and others.

One of the most important considerations for most hobbyist is the cost and value of the hobbying scene in the country they plan to visit. With the Real so weak vs. Western currencies, pricing is very comparable to Colombia, which also is weak vs. Western currencies. The caveat is that while both are weak, Colombia has had a higher inflation rate over the last 4-5 years compared to Brazil. The COP also has been weak vs. Western currencies for what seems like forever. The weakness of the Brazilian real is pretty recent and might not last.

You can currently find cheap $15-25 USD fucks in Brazil at Prives / clinicas just like you can at casas in Colombia. The club girls in Colombia seems to ask for $75 to 125 USD for a ST fuck and $150 to $300 for LT / overnights. Same as you can find in Brazil. I'm sure some will say their regulars are cheaper, or if you put in the time, you can find better bargains / value, but that can be said of both countries. In any event, I am going by what my friends tell me the current rate is and also from what I've seen posted when I check the Colombia boards semi-regularly. They also say that the online options have very comparable in pricing. One other comment they made is that the gringos / tourists actually have more of an impact on the mongering pricing and the availability of girls in Colombia as compared to Brazil, especially in Cartagena, which has either balanced the two countries and sometimes even tipped it in Brazil's favor, especially with the weak Real.

They do say food is a little cheaper in Colombia and Colombian hotel prices hasn't gone up post-pandemic at the same rate as SP and RJ.

But probably the most important thing for me is the service level of the girls. They all say they were blown away by the near universal passion and love making skills of Brazilian women. They all claim that on average, Brazilian women beats Colombian and Venezuelan working girls in the bed room. Sure, the best of the best from all 3 countries could be a tie or close to each other, but we are talking about average or general expected service level. You rarely have to negotiate regular GFE service (DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc.) in Brazil and anal is often offered and requested by the girl without you asking. All without a surcharge! After over 125 punts with over 75 different Brazilian women, I concur whole heartedly. I've not had the same high average level of service anywhere else in the world and I've mongered in Canada, US, Mexico, most of Western Europe and some of Eastern Europe, SE and East Asia and Australia, and many of those spots within the past 3-4 years. Brazilian women are a killer combo of hot and diverse looks (especially that incredible bunda from the slim all the way up to the curvy an) and amazing service in the sack.

As I said, I've never been to Colombia, so these are the opinions of my friends who are experienced in Colombia and finally discovered Brazil during and post pandemic. Almost all of them would now choose Brazil over Colombia.

For a newbie or short term visitor, I don't see how the current situation in Colombia beats Brazil when everything is considered. The only advantages I see are 1) flight time 2) flight cost 3) You speak Spanish and 4) you take month + long trips or is a digital nomad and plan to spend lots of time in country and prefers Airbnbs to hotels.

Therefore, TLDR: What is so unique about Medellin at the moment to make it better than Brazil? I actually think it's the reverse, as the extremely weak Real vs. Historical norms make Brazil the UNIQUE situation and you should go before that goes away. The Colombian women and the historically weak COP will still be there down the road.

[Nounce]

What's going on in Medellin right now that is unique? Apart from the prices going up and tons of gringos in town?

Do you think you miss anything if you just found out about MDE now? If you only use SA, you will see the price increase earlier than most.

[MiamiBoy1]

I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope did not change that.

What's going on in Medellin right now that is unique? Apart from the prices going up and tons of gringos in town?