Sao Paulo Reports

[Nounce]

2,000 BRL right?

Yes. 2000 BRL.

[SamaRiding]

2,000 BRL right?

There are two types of Bradesco ATMs. The single machines in a pharmacy or gas station. These will charge you a small fee 20 r and limit withdrawals to 1000-1200 r. The good Bradesco ATMs are in the bank branches. They don't charge a fee. The daily withdrawal limit at Bradesco is 2500 r. To withdrawal that much in one transaction, look for machines that dispense either 100 r or 200 r bills, not max 50 r. If the machine only allows you to withdraw 1250 r, you can repeat the transaction to get another 1250 r. The 2500 r daily limit is a Bradesco policy, not Your bank policy. My bank allows a very high withdrawal limit. If I max out at Bradesco, I can go to other bank like Santandar and get more money. You will need it if you go multiple days to Scandallo!

[Trojan22]

Thanks for the suggestion, I plan to try it.


That was my experience as well until the day you left. I went to an ATM and was able to pull 2000 in one transaction and it gave me 100 BRL bills with two choices of combination.

2,000 BRL right?

[Member #4732]

Although I agree with you that Portuguese and Spanish are quite similar, especially the written part, I traveled to Brazil with folks who were native Spanish speakers, one was Mexican and the other from Colombia. Well, they had all sorts of trouble with Portuguese. I suspect if they took the time to learn Portuguese, they would get it quickly.

"Portuguese and Spanish share an 89% lexical similarity, meaning that there are equivalent forms of words in both languages. "

See my reply to ET. I did not mean to imply there are not linguistic differences. I merely meant that a truly fluent Spanish speaker should be able to "communicate" fairly quickly one on one with a Brazilian who is dumbing down their Portuguese in order to communicate. I am not talking about giving presentations at business seminars, nor understanding 3rd party conversation between Brazilians. I am talking about basic get around town communication, not cross language fluency. Language is very overloaded, there is a lot of detail that is necessary to speak fluently which is unnecessary to communicate effectively one on one. You can get by with a lot of small errors and still be understood due to the redundancy.

My point was not that Portuguese is easy but that a lot of posters may be overstating their fluency in Spanish. Fluency is a very high standard, and claiming fluency as opposed to conversational skill is a huge leap. I don't doubt they are all conversational in Spanish. Maybe I am wrong and they are all fluent. If so my apologies to all. Like I said I would never say I am fluent in Spanish and yet I was able to "communicate" very effectively on my first trip to Brasil, probably sounding like a clown but still communicating sufficiently well that I never searched for girls that spoke English, as I preferred the challenge and fun of interaction with Portuguese only speakers. I did do the pimsleur course in preparation so credit to them perhaps.

Did not mean to offend anyone. Carry on.

[Lefeu]

How many guys here have written "I'm fluent in Spanish but damn I can't understand anything in Brazil without Google tradutor" in the last year? I got news for you guys. You ain't "fluent" in Spanish if you can't understand a bit of Portuguese...

Although I agree with you that Portuguese and Spanish are quite similar, especially the written part, I traveled to Brazil with folks who were native Spanish speakers, one was Mexican and the other from Colombia. Well, they had all sorts of trouble with Portuguese. I suspect if they took the time to learn Portuguese, they would get it quickly.

[Member #4732]

. So, as a polyglot, you are quite simply full o it.

Thank you. BTW, I am genuinely curious what else have I been wrong about in your opinion, that caused you to use the "again" ? I am sincerely curious as I do not recall having prior disagreements with you.

[Member #4732]

I am fluent in Spanish and Portuguese and you are wrong. I have attended professional conferences in Latin America and the conference language was English because those speaking Spanish could not understand Brazilians and vice versa. When I am holding business meetings in a Spanish speaking country, I take a moment and compose myself before entering a room to get into a Spanish speaking frame of mind. Written, Spanish and Portuguese are very similar, it is the spoken words that are the issue particularly the endings and when spoken quickly. So, as a polyglot, you are quite simply full of it (spelled differently in Spanish and Portuguese, but sounds similar). Just saying.

You have been posting for years and I never saw you brag about your Spanish and complain about Portuguese so I was not referring to you.

Nothing you said disproves my observation that people are probably inflating their sense of fluency in Spanish. It's like every guy here write "I'm fluent in Spanish" and I just say they are probably confusing "fluency" with conversational acumen. Yes Brasileiros and Latinos have trouble understanding each other at first, I did not say the languages were identical, I said that linguistically they are closer together than many dialects are in other languages. Most words are cognate. The big difference is as you say phonological. I you learn the Portuguese phonological system you can pretty much convert thousands of Latin rooted words in English to Portuguese, and far more in Spanish. The language is phonetic, what you see is what you say. Pronouncing the sounds are very difficult for me, but knowing what the sounds are supposed to be is not that hard.

There is a big difference between being able to follow a conversation between Brasileiros, very difficult for a non native, vs conversing one in one with a brasileiro. The Brasileiro will slow down, and use simpler vocabulary, and if you respond with portunhol they will understand you.

I think you are overreacting. My point was a truly fluent Spanish speaker should be conversational in Portuguese quickly. I am not saying that they should be polyglots like you.

[Exec Talent]

How many guys here have written "I'm fluent in Spanish but damn I can't understand anything in Brazil without Google tradutor" in the last year? I got news for you guys. You ain't "fluent" in Spanish if you can't understand a bit of Portuguese. It's hardly even qualifies as a separate language, and many consider the distinction to be at he level of dialect rather than language. I'm not saying Portuguese is not difficult, it can be. But it challenges my credulity to believe someone "truly" fluent in Spanish would be completely lost with Brazilian Portuguese which is easier than Portugal. I mean I never ever considered myself fluent in Spanish but just studying pimsleur Portuguese for a few weeks prior to visiting Brazil for first time in 2005, way before smart phone tradutor and I was immediately "conversational" and I am not even good with languages. So any self proclaimed "fluent" Spanish speaker should blow away my experience. Just saying.

I am fluent in Spanish and Portuguese and you are wrong. I have attended professional conferences in Latin America and the conference language was English because those speaking Spanish could not understand Brazilians and vice versa. When I am holding business meetings in a Spanish speaking country, I take a moment and compose myself before entering a room to get into a Spanish speaking frame of mind. Written, Spanish and Portuguese are very similar, it is the spoken words that are the issue particularly the endings and when spoken quickly. So, as a polyglot, you are quite simply full of it (spelled differently in Spanish and Portuguese, but sounds similar). Just saying.

[Lalabo]

When Lalabo was sitting next to me, he was approached by 2 girls and I got none. Lesson learned, don't sit next to Lalabo when you want girl to approach you.

Yup! That is true. Girls come and talk to me a lot but in the room they screw me over where as you screw them. LOL.

Nounce seems have found a way to maximize value at Scandallo. He has unlimited patient and can hang around for a longtime in the club (which I can't do) and lets the action find him rather than the other way around.

Girls seem to start with 1000 or 1500 but they can quickly be negotiated down to 500-800 as Nounce has demonstrated when I was there. How low girl can go depends on how pretty and popular she is.

[Lalabo]

Based on our earlier conversation, I thought you were going to ask her to visit you in hotel, and not right away. That is why I did not tell you the detail in front of her when we met at the register area. I was going to text you telling you detail about her surgery.

As fate would have it, I change my mind.

[Member #4732]

Every night except Sunday. I don't know when they close but I would assume it is well after midnight. Before 8:55 PM it is 250 real for an hour. After that it is 100 real for the house for an hour and whatever fee you negotiate with the girl. Have to note that it was dead last Saturday night so may be better during weekdays.

These places are all hit or miss depending on day, hour, proximity to feriado, weather. It's Brazil. It's unpredictable and that is "the game" one either embraces fully or one misses out because one wants it easy.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Is this every night? And what time does the boate close? Do you know the average session fees? 57 is definitely set up for this. I had wondered why there wasn't more interactions with the girls. I have done a few daytime sessions myself and a few of the girls have been great. I would check this out next time. Thanks for the info!

Every night except Sunday. I don't know when they close but I would assume it is well after midnight. Before 8:55 PM it is 250 real for an hour. After that it is 100 real for the house for an hour and whatever fee you negotiate with the girl. Have to note that it was dead last Saturday night so may be better during weekdays.

[Member #4732]

How many guys here have written "I'm fluent in Spanish but damn I can't understand anything in Brazil without Google tradutor" in the last year? I got news for you guys. You ain't "fluent" in Spanish if you can't understand a bit of Portuguese. It's hardly even qualifies as a separate language, and many consider the distinction to be at he level of dialect rather than language. I'm not saying Portuguese is not difficult, it can be. But it challenges my credulity to believe someone "truly" fluent in Spanish would be completely lost with Brazilian Portuguese which is easier than Portugal. I mean I never ever considered myself fluent in Spanish but just studying pimsleur Portuguese for a few weeks prior to visiting Brazil for first time in 2005, way before smart phone tradutor and I was immediately "conversational" and I am not even good with languages. So any self proclaimed "fluent" Spanish speaker should blow away my experience. Just saying.

[Nounce]

I saw a red head Friday night at Scandallo but I never saw her up close. I saw her again Saturday. She came to talk to Lalabo first, and he introduced her to me. She is very cute with a doll face and speaks very good English because she has worked overseas. Her price is 800. I asked if that is her final price, she started to explain to me what inflation is and why her service quality is worth 800. I asked what is included. She said no anal. I asked BBBJ, she said no because there are a lot of diseases. I told her I don't feel anything with condom. She said you know where to find me and left. I think this girl will get a client every day but I don't know why locals put up with that. She is pretty and very innocent looking that can disarm you with her look but she gave out too much info about her job that removed the illusion I had toward her similar to Rovnak wrote about.

In this context I think it's an illusion that low mileage is better.

I was in the restaurant ordering drink, a short blonde hair spinner standing next to me greeted me and I replied with Portuguese that sort of break the ice. I have been learning Portuguese so I know basic and that helps here. She was all smiling and seemed like very easy going so I continue to talk to her. She asked for 800. I said was her price the same for everyone. She said do you want to negotiate? And asked how much I want to pay. I said 500 and she said yes without hesitation. I said let's find a place to sit and talk.

I took her to the sofa on the way to the outdoor club area as it was just opened. I continued the screening process and did a lot of kissing. She said she likes to suck and that works for me. I also asked about DATY, she said something about doctors and surgery. I think penetration is OK but clitoris is off limit. I know this is a big deal for some but it is not for me. She also said rich locals will pay 2000, and she even mention tres mil but I could not quite catch the context on that arrangement. Most customers don't have problem paying her 800. Just to be sure, I confirmed the price with her again and wrote down our price agreement for 500 on the phone as a record in case there is a misunderstanding.

Once in a room, she went in the shower first to adjust it so it's the right temperature for me. Scandallo room has dual shower heads in case you haven't been there. The motel I went to the day before also has dual showers. She pointed to one of the handles telling me "quente" in Portuguese which means hot. I followed up with a frio / cold pointing to the other handle to let her know I understand. After shower, she sucked me pretty well and through for a long time, rimming included. I was surprised by the rimming, and now I understand what she meant when she said she likes to suck. This is the first rimming I have had in Latin America too. I am completely satisfied with the session.

I have met other mongers who are very skillful with girls and I have watched them in action but I am not one of them. Frequently I need to build up courage to approach girls. I think I develop patience to compensate the lack of skill. I think I am lucky that girls always quoted me the 800 price and are willing to go lower.

What Steve said here is a great advice. This will improve your chance of a good session. I must admit I did not quite get it just reading it. But after observing locals for a while then I see it. I think some locals don't even take the girls to the rooms after the make out session.

Don't just grab and go. Go Thurs or Fri and spend 4-5 hours. Find a girl you dig and spend an hour or more before going to the room.

[Nounce]

If you want a clinica where you can chat with the girls before choosing, in addition to getting a presentation, you can go to 57 House Friends Club

Thanks for the suggestion, I plan to try it.

For Bradesco it limit me at $1250 per transaction, but I exited and enter my card again and was able to pull another $1250 right away. I think the bigger issue is some ATM machines don't give you an option to select how you want the note denominations, and you end up with a big stack of 50's, this prompt was hit & miss for me, I even saw an option for a 200 Real note one time, but not the other.

That was my experience as well until the day you left. I went to an ATM and was able to pull 2000 in one transaction and it gave me 100 BRL bills with two choices of combination.