Sao Paulo Reports

[GoneFishin]

I see that the city has a holiday this Friday. Founding of the city, 465 years, how much will this affect the monger scene from normal? Any thoughts?

GF.

[LobbyMan1]

Well, you arent able to receive any messages, I suggest to change that for better interchange with the forumers.

Cheers.

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for your advice. From now, I can receive messages.

L.

[WyattEarp]

I was going to mention this, and you are correct. But it might be a bit of a dicey trip for a first time visitor. For someone who has been to Brazil before, it makes total sense. Not sure if I would recommend it to a first timer though. Your thoughts?

Yes, it would be ideal for someone with some Brazil smarts and some Portuguese. I think some experienced travelers who can work ISG and Tripadvisor would be fine, but perhaps that's rare.

[Member #4732]

Strictly speaking of Carnival, I recommend that men in their 20's /30's think about going to Salvador. Of course, there is a monger scene. It pales in comparison to SP and Rio, but Salvador Carnival is a blast and great place to take a shot at hooking up with civilian girls visiting from all over Brazil. There is a major gringo stigma in Rio. In Salvador, Brazilian girls will be impressed you found your way there for an event that is simply more Brazilian than touristy. It's not as grand as the Samba parades in the Rio Sambadrome, but it's several days of non-stop street parties with music you will never forget.

There are plenty of youtube videos that can explain it better than me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ-NlHUcffY

I was going to mention this, and you are correct. But it might be a bit of a dicey trip for a first time visitor. For someone who has been to Brazil before, it makes total sense. Not sure if I would recommend it to a first timer though. Your thoughts?

[Jorge Rad10]

Dear forumers,

Soon, I will be back in Sao Paulo for few days. By 5 times, I have experienced the scene.

For my next travel, I would like to meet some Subcelebridades. Is there someone who has some contacts. As you know, it needs to be introduce to get access to those book Rosa.

L.

Well, you arent able to receive any messages, I suggest to change that for better interchange with the forumers.

Cheers.

[WyattEarp]

If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.

Strictly speaking of Carnival, I recommend that men in their 20's /30's think about going to Salvador. Of course, there is a monger scene. It pales in comparison to SP and Rio, but Salvador Carnival is a blast and great place to take a shot at hooking up with civilian girls visiting from all over Brazil. There is a major gringo stigma in Rio. In Salvador, Brazilian girls will be impressed you found your way there for an event that is simply more Brazilian than touristy. It's not as grand as the Samba parades in the Rio Sambadrome, but it's several days of non-stop street parties with music you will never forget.

There are plenty of youtube videos that can explain it better than me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ-NlHUcffY

[Franga]

I have posted the question in the other thread, since no takers there, here a repost of the same logistics question. I know it is touristy, but I always give back.

I am planning on seeing Foz de Iguazu waterfalls. My roundtrip return point is Sao Paulo Brazil. I plan to stay couple of days at the waterfalls area and then continue to BA, Argentina. A) Which city, area at the walls to stay for a better nightlife? Any suggestions? B) Are there any issues crossing the border (Brazil to Argentina, and maybe to Paraguay and back). C) Is CD del Este, Paraguay is worth visiting? Some words on airports will help too. I see one way fares from BA to Sampa are quite steep. So which route is preferable in this triangle: Sampa, Foz, BA? Should I do one way flights or returns? Thank you.

CD del Este has a large waterfall called Salto del Monday, which is quite interesting. You can also visit the Itaipu Dam.

In my experience it is always cheaper to fly internally within a country rather than internationally. So better to fly S. Paulo to Foz, cross the border via land to Puerto Iguazu, then fly P. Iguazu to Bu. Aires. But you would have to check all of this to confirm. I think Foz would have the better nightlife than Puerto, but I have not sought this out myself.

Note that there is a one hour time difference between CD del Este and Foz / Puerto. I almost missed my flight from Foz because I thought that they were the same time, but I was actually running one hour late upon my exit via land from Paraguay.

[Questner]

I have posted the question in the other thread, since no takers there, here a repost of the same logistics question. I know it is touristy, but I always give back.

I am planning on seeing Foz de Iguazu waterfalls. My roundtrip return point is Sao Paulo Brazil. I plan to stay couple of days at the waterfalls area and then continue to BA, Argentina. A) Which city, area at the walls to stay for a better nightlife? Any suggestions? B) Are there any issues crossing the border (Brazil to Argentina, and maybe to Paraguay and back). C) Is CD del Este, Paraguay is worth visiting? Some words on airports will help too. I see one way fares from BA to Sampa are quite steep. So which route is preferable in this triangle: Sampa, Foz, BA? Should I do one way flights or returns? Thank you.

[HelloMan2]

A good alternative is to go to the Escola de Samba parade, be sure to get your reservation in advance.

Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.

Many thanks to ABG and Rovnak's responses on the carnival and the other options to consider. Since the hangover period is so long after the Carnival, I might consider going before or a couple of weeks after the Carnival.

[LobbyMan1]

Dear forumers,

Soon, I will be back in Sao Paulo for few days. By 5 times, I have experienced the scene.

For my next travel, I would like to meet some Subcelebridades. Is there someone who has some contacts. As you know, it needs to be introduce to get access to those book Rosa.

L.

[Member #4732]

Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.

I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.

Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?

1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time..

You might also want to ask the same question on the Rio forum because a lot of posters there may not read this sub.

ABG answered most of your q's but he did not opine on 4. If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.

I do think its important to visit during Carnival ONLY if you are interested in Carnival. Hotel prices will be higher. As noted, the putaria activity will be next to zero during the 5 days of Carnival itself, Friday to Tuesday. In Rio the "hangover" as noted by ABG lasts until the following Saturday. So do not come for putaria during Carnival.

[AltoBomGosto]

Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.

I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.

Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?

1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time.

2) Before: how many days Before the carnival does the mongering scene start to slow down? Is it the same in Rio and SP?

3) After: And how many days After the carnival does it get back to normal?

4) If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

5) off topic: If I want to fit in Colombia for this trip, should I go before or after Brazil?

Thanks guys.

HM2.

1) During Carnaval all mongering declines dramatically, even some boites and clinicas will close. Call them before you go. I know for sure, that Tangara will be opened.

2) During the week before and after Carnaval there will intense movement, garotas will be coming in to make money.

3) Sao Paulo next Wednesday, Rio next Saturday.

A good alternative is to go to the Escola de Samba parade, be sure to get your reservation in advance.

In Rio:

https://www.totalacesso.com/pagina/c...SAAEgL6R_D_BwE

Sao Paulo:

http://camarotebarbrahma.com/

If you can communicate there will be a good chance you can get sex in the same night. But watch out, not all the girls will be garotas de programa.

I hope I helped you, any questions please PM me.

ABG.

[Member #4732]

When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her..

There are 3 things in your statement that I would like to respond to as they might give a reader the wrong impression.

"Sunday at noon and there were only 3 girls" - Sunday is usually a super busy day "by 2 pm". I get TG lineup messages all day every day on whatsapp and they routinely have 20-30 ladies on a Sunday. Actually every day. The ladies don't all arrive at the same time, and either you got there when they had just opened or it might have been a holiday weekend?

" I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. " -I can understand that you might have been uncomfortable but I assure you that no one else would have cared, not the other guy nor the managers nor the ladies. You could have sat there and read your smartphone and no one would have noticed.

"The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her" - Actually, you could have said "I am not interested in anyone at the moment", the easiest way to do this for a visitor is to say "I'm thinking" "estou pensando" . And then the management will just ignore you and you can sit there forever and leave when you want or eventually choose someone, 5 minutes or 5 hours later.

I am not trying to pick apart your post to quibble but to straighten out what appear to be some cultural misunderstanding on your part. I think you were inferring some pressure and some "social self consciousness" that really is there only one your side. I think you were "feeling" the way you would be in an American establishment or wherever you are from, but this environment is different. So you may have thought it was awkward, but it was only awkward "for you". Cheers.

[Member #4732]

Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.

Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.

Haha, the operative word is "CAN hang out". I was not suggesting its a festive hang out but you CAN hang out even if you are the only one. Its not like Rio where for some odd reason they try to hide the clients from each other. There is always a salon to sit in and watch TV at least. I bring a kindle and read if I am waiting to see the rest of the lineup. Did that today, hung out at Prime just to see 2 new girls that were occupied when I arrived. Sat back and read like I was at the library.

Now, there are some locals who really do use the clinicas like 'hangouts', quase-social clubs. If you are ever at Tangara on a weekend the crowd overflows the salon and people hang out in the patio area. I've even hung out in the girls 'hanger' on the other side, but it was a downer because it smelled like a locker room over there LOL. There are some regulars who sit and chat for hours at TG and Brooklin. But that is as you were pointing out. Subject to time and day.

[HarvestBoi]

You have to order beer from across the street. I hung out for an hour or 2 at Tangara and it is true that it was more chill and has more loungy space than the other 2 clinicas I visited (Brooklin and Miruna) BUT 1) I had already has a session and 2) I was hanging with ABG. Don't know if those impacted my experience. I was there on a weekday when the lineup is deeper too.

Hb.

In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.