Sao Paulo Reports

[Member #4732]

If visiting the boites (Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo) rather than clinicas were the main attraction, would you still suggest Moema as a base for a hotel or airbnb?

I think it somewhat depends on your overall agenda. If you are visiting for work and are busy days then stay near work and take an uber to the clubs. Any zona sul neighborhood is reasonable distance to the night spots. I don't find anything appealing about staying in thr centro, its pretty dirty imo but I know some people that like it. If you like busy normal nightclubs and bars then itaim Bibi, vila Olympia and vila Madelena are options.

[The Cane]

If visiting the boites (Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo) rather than clinicas were the main attraction, would you still suggest Moema as a base for a hotel or airbnb?

I stayed in Moema and went to all of those places, plus Casarao, and it all worked great. The thing was that I was going out to the boites at night, and traffic was not bad at all. Like Rovnak said, I was expecting the absolute worst in terms of traffic, but other than the taxi drivers scaring the hell out of me with their "skills", traffic problems just did not materialize. I was very, very surprised after listening to just how bad Sampa traffic is and people taking helicopters to get from here to there. I had no major traffic challenges in Sampa (other than crazy taxistas), and I was quite amazed! Thought maybe I had gotten lucky somehow.

[HarvestBoi]

One note on SP and distance. Yes its a huge city and yes the mongering scene is spread out more than in Rio but it is e tiredly manageable if you stay in the right neighborhood. I live in Moema and can WALK to no less than 9 clinicas. They are a few blocks apart from each other. And they are high end clinicas. TG and Brooklin are both 20 minutes, $5 by uber. Casarao about 30 minutes, $10-15 by uber. Uber is a game changer for mongers in sp. No worries about going to an out of the way clinica and getting hung out to dry because there are no nearby taxis. Even the metro is getting better. Actually I can now metro from moema to brooklins and soon from moema to vila Mariana which will be a option over uber during rush hour.

The big thing that screws a lot of visitors is rush hour and staying in wrong place. If you want to visit daytime clinicas stay near them, don't stay in the center. Distance is not an issue late at night so you can always uber to casarao or other boates after 9 pm w out traffic issues. But don't put yourself in a position where you will be sitting in traffic every day at 5-7 pm.

If visiting the boites (Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo) rather than clinicas were the main attraction, would you still suggest Moema as a base for a hotel or airbnb?

[WyattEarp]

I like both cities because I like Brazil and I like cities. There is enough info here on the forum for any newbie to make a choice (if need to choose). This discussion comes up all the time. I can't think of two mongering destinations that are compared more.

It's very simple in my head. Likely a tourist in Rio will stay in Copa or Ipanema (or very nearby). It's not a stretch that this might feel like a Brazilian Miami Beach. Not exactly, but similar. On cloudy days or days off from the beach, I find many things to do. Rio is one of the most beautiful cities in the world from a geographic perspective. The mongering opportunities are ample.

Sao Paulo, on the other hand, is like a vast Brazilian New York City. Since I like cities, I can find daytime activities to keep me busy. However, I enjoy my non-mongering time in Rio far more. The mongering opportunities are greater than Rio. You will find more choices, various price levels, etc. Etc.

People are touching on language. Learning some Portuguese always goes a long way in both cities. I've walked into clinicas, termas and have not spoken a word of English and everyone has been very helpful reacting to my very limited Portuguese. They know why you are there. Uber is a game changer. No need to discuss where you are going and the best way to get there. No exchange of money.

[KashMoney]

I would say Bomboa, scandalo and cafe Photo are all at the same level in terms of pricing. Bomboa can be slightly very slightly cheaper because its entrance fee is all consumable if you plan to eat and drink. Girls charge the same ranges. Rooms are ridiculously expensive. Scandalo is just LARGER and has more women.

Casarao is in a league by itself when it comes to price and volume. Then there are a bunch of crappy places priced like Casarao but with only a handful of ladies.

Quick report for those of you looking for intel. I got into SP yesterday on Sunday and made it to Casarao. There are 3 other similarly styled boates within a few doors of Casarao but they all seemed to be less interesting. The entrance fee for Casarao was only 20 Reals, or 40 if you want to put that toward your bar tab and it opened at 10 PM. Overall the vibe in the place was nice. Good lights, music and dance floor, but not a super-high energy environment with a lot of people on the dance floor. Mostly just everyone standing on the side and chatting. I expected it to be bigger and have a separate chill out space but it was mostly just the bar and dance floor. By midnight there were at least 40 garotas present, I'd say ranging in looks between 6-8, mostly towards the lower end of that scale. Only spotted a few 8's and no one higher than that, but of course everyone has their own preferences.

I was quoted a price of 250 Reals plus an extra 40 for the room, from a pretty friendly girl but decided not to partake tonight. All in all seemed like a fun spot but kinda quiet. Which might just have been because it was a Sunday. I'll be back to check it out throughout the week and see how it picks up.

[Member #4732]

One note on SP and distance. Yes its a huge city and yes the mongering scene is spread out more than in Rio but it is e tiredly manageable if you stay in the right neighborhood. I live in Moema and can WALK to no less than 9 clinicas. They are a few blocks apart from each other. And they are high end clinicas. TG and Brooklin are both 20 minutes, $5 by uber. Casarao about 30 minutes, $10-15 by uber. Uber is a game changer for mongers in sp. No worries about going to an out of the way clinica and getting hung out to dry because there are no nearby taxis. Even the metro is getting better. Actually I can now metro from moema to brooklins and soon from moema to vila Mariana which will be a option over uber during rush hour.

The big thing that screws a lot of visitors is rush hour and staying in wrong place. If you want to visit daytime clinicas stay near them, don't stay in the center. Distance is not an issue late at night so you can always uber to casarao or other boates after 9 pm w out traffic issues. But don't put yourself in a position where you will be sitting in traffic every day at 5-7 pm.

[Jan 156]

Just a couple points that I hope might be helpful.

The easiest intro normally for a first timer to Brazil is Rio, and more specifically Copacabana or one of the adjacent areas like Ipanema or Botafogo. The downsides is that Rio's economy has hit rock bottom and there is more crime than usual, so more caution is needed on the street or the beaches. The other downside is that prices are not what they used to be. The clinicas are still good value, but this does mean that apart from Copa (when many people speak English) you need to navigate Centro and it's multipurpose high-rises and behave appropriately.

Rio, the southern part used by tourists, can be grasped fairly readily with a bit of effort though. (Search the forum for Spertos maps as well if you can).

SP by comparison is the largest city in the Southern Hemisphere. It is huge, by any standards. Transportation system is well-designed and fully integrated the travel card is probably the best in the world but it will need patience and a little study the first time, and especially adjusting travel times to avoid if possible the rush hours. The great advantage is that mongering is more stable, well organised, good value for money and you are not likely to get ripped off. For general tourism, it helps if you are interested in the Arts, fine dining, that sort of thing. There's no beach unless you travel quite a love big way Paulistanos tend to be well-educated, much like Europeans, they are also very polite and expect the same (Brazilian politeness: ie, dress down, speak softly, start conversations are even casual greetings will "Good day, how are you?" (Bom DIA; tudo bem?) Failures in this respect will appear to go unnoticed but you will be marked down as what the Brits call a chav and the Americans a redneck.

While service providers in SP are great value, you may need to watch you budget on hotels and eating out.

FKKs vs Brazil is a common query but the wrong question. The two are completely different. Also, Brazilian SPs abroad are not indicative of mongering when they are at home in Brazil. It's culture, nit nationality. The only similarity is deluxe premises if that is your thing, which you can find in all the best termas and FKKs. Brazilians are very outgoing by nature. Germans and Eastern Europeans are not. Your experience in either country is improved if you speak German or Portuguese but they are still a different type of experience (both overpriced in my opinion, as there is good, better priced options in both countries) but both are something that most mongers should try at least once. You have to try both before you can compare, honestly.

By the way it's cold in SP just now, whereas Germany is enjoying very sunny weather.

Enjoy.

[Combo]

Greetings fellow travelers! I've been a long admirer of the boards and have contributed intel to the Colombia forum. I'm a big fan of Medellin and have also been to Montreal and FKK (which I enjoyed) - but I keep hearing that Brazil is where it's at. Would you recommend Sao Paulo or Rio for a first-timer? Also. I keep seeing references to POA. Where is that? Is Porto Alegre part of Rio or a separate locale in itself (for mongering purposes). I'm RTFF but figured the context of being a first time visitor may be important in deciding where to go first. Thanks in advance!

If you're there for a week or more, why not just go to both? They are like a 40 minute flight apart and the airfare is ridiculously cheap. Fly into one and fly out of the other works great. Both have plenty of virtues. IMO Sao Paulo has easily more beautiful women than any city in the World. However, it is a enormous City with all the hassles you might imagine. Traffic is just ridiculous. If you're taking taxis all around the City, it will drive you nuts. It can also be very expensive, though there are plenty of affordable options also. I'd probably splurge for one night at Scandallo, but I'd also hit some of the much cheaper options.

OTOH, Rio is a vacation city with the beach and spectacular landscape. It has a much more relaxed feel. My recommendation would be to fly into Sao Paulo for a few days and try out various venues. Then move on to Rio and hang out on the beach and try a different termas each day. Also, like many other destinations, the online scene (Facebook, Tinder, escorts, etc) has become huge. Rio may not be as good as it was 15 years ago, but it's still a great destination.

[ThadMax]

Greetings fellow travelers! I've been a long admirer of the boards and have contributed intel to the Colombia forum. I'm a big fan of Medellin and have also been to Montreal and FKK (which I enjoyed) - but I keep hearing that Brazil is where it's at. Would you recommend Sao Paulo or Rio for a first-timer? Also. I keep seeing references to POA. Where is that? Is Porto Alegre part of Rio or a separate locale in itself (for mongering purposes). I'm RTFF but figured the context of being a first time visitor may be important in deciding where to go first. Thanks in advance!

[Member #4732]

If you are kicking around Scandallo late night Saturday I may run into you. I know it's not the best night of the week but my only chance to visit this high end garden of garotas.

I believe Bomboa is considered a slight notch down on the quality scale and slightly cheaper, without dropping all the way to Casaero price / quality. This is my impression from RTTF but I have no firsthand experience.

I would say Bomboa, scandalo and cafe Photo are all at the same level in terms of pricing. Bomboa can be slightly very slightly cheaper because its entrance fee is all consumable if you plan to eat and drink. Girls charge the same ranges. Rooms are ridiculously expensive. Scandalo is just LARGER and has more women.

Casarao is in a league by itself when it comes to price and volume. Then there are a bunch of crappy places priced like Casarao but with only a handful of ladies.

[Steve 9696]

Will do, I get in on Sunday evening and am planning on checking out Casaero to start with. Will make it to Scandallo's later in the week and some of the other spots you mention but I'm really hoping Casero's proves to be a fun spot. Love the idea of a low cover charge. These boates sound great but I can't afford Scandallo's prices every night! Anyone else have any recommendations for cheaper priced boates?

If you are kicking around Scandallo late night Saturday I may run into you. I know it's not the best night of the week but my only chance to visit this high end garden of garotas.

I believe Bomboa is considered a slight notch down on the quality scale and slightly cheaper, without dropping all the way to Casaero price / quality. This is my impression from RTTF but I have no firsthand experience.

[Member #4732]

So sorry dude, but you are going to be there before me. So you will have to be the pioneer and report back ASAP. My base plan is Tangara or Brooklin during the day. I will hit Casaero first at night. It gets mixed reviews here (it's no Scandallo) but it's only $15 cover so maybe find something worthwhile and worst case just go to the next place. Lions looks out. Maybe Caster Club or Connections but there is no intel here so maybe you want to TOFTT?

I also have a shortlist of well reviewed Morenas if you want that. Good luck. Report back ASAP so I can benefit from your newfound wisdom.

Connection has been discussed. Its Scandalos little sister club in zona leste. It used to be open Sundays but not any more.

Never heard of Casters, checked gpguia and its last review was in 2017, not impressive. Located far from center, would not recommend.

Casarao is really the only reliable Sunday night option in SP itself.

[KashMoney]

So sorry dude, but you are going to be there before me. So you will have to be the pioneer and report back ASAP. My base plan is Tangara or Brooklin during the day. I will hit Casaero first at night. It gets mixed reviews here (it's no Scandallo) but it's only $15 cover so maybe find something worthwhile and worst case just go to the next place. Lions looks out. Maybe Caster Club or Connections but there is no intel here so maybe you want to TOFTT?

I also have a shortlist of well reviewed Morenas if you want that. Good luck. Report back ASAP so I can benefit from your newfound wisdom.

Will do, I get in on Sunday evening and am planning on checking out Casaero to start with. Will make it to Scandallo's later in the week and some of the other spots you mention but I'm really hoping Casero's proves to be a fun spot. Love the idea of a low cover charge. These boates sound great but I can't afford Scandallo's prices every night! Anyone else have any recommendations for cheaper priced boates?

[Steve 9696]

I forgot whether you've been to Rio. The Rio termas are probably the closest thing to the FKKs. I'm sure there are some sharky girls in the termas, but I've never noticed it. The girls are fairly laid-back and also like to have fun. Generally if a girl pushes you to take her to a room (cabine), she will back off with some minimal suggestion. And if you are attracted to a girl who pushes you to take her, many times she will deliver the goods.

Of course there are some termas girls who don't bring as much energy and passion, but most of the time they are very focused on delivering what you are looking for whether it be GFE or PSE.

Some of the quiet, reserved girls can turn into PSE providers in the room. I've been taken aback by some pretty, sweet termas girls who I think will be nice GFEs who turn into Jenna Jameson on crack.

Never been to Rio and unfortunately will miss it this trip also. But yes, it sounds the closest to FKK but with Brazilian attitude. Which sounds great. I will have to "settle" for Scandallo and Fazendinha! .

[ShooBree]

Let's not confuse FKK with all Romanians. FKK is an awesome experience unlike any other in the planet. Should be on everyone's bucket list. However the girls can be a bit sharky depending on venue. It's the FKK format that indulges sharkiness IMO.

My experience in London however with Ro-girls there has never been sharky and certainly not soulless. Some of the best GFE I've ever had and the single top experience of my life (Duo with two Ro-girls) were with Romanian girls. Of course YMMV but I love my London Ro-girls!

Almost all the women in FKK's are Romanian, FKK's impressed me the first two visits. Now; I live a two hour flight away from Frankfurt and I've stopped going to Germany. Spain and Brazil are so much better countries for me.

Termas, the puticlubs in Spain and FKK: s are basically the same thing, I don't buy that would be the reason for the sharkiness.

But I'm glad that you are enjoying yourself.