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09-08-21 00:19 #13121
Posts: 648Originally Posted by Lefeu [View Original Post]
See my reply to ET. I did not mean to imply there are not linguistic differences. I merely meant that a truly fluent Spanish speaker should be able to "communicate" fairly quickly one on one with a Brazilian who is dumbing down their Portuguese in order to communicate. I am not talking about giving presentations at business seminars, nor understanding 3rd party conversation between Brazilians. I am talking about basic get around town communication, not cross language fluency. Language is very overloaded, there is a lot of detail that is necessary to speak fluently which is unnecessary to communicate effectively one on one. You can get by with a lot of small errors and still be understood due to the redundancy.
My point was not that Portuguese is easy but that a lot of posters may be overstating their fluency in Spanish. Fluency is a very high standard, and claiming fluency as opposed to conversational skill is a huge leap. I don't doubt they are all conversational in Spanish. Maybe I am wrong and they are all fluent. If so my apologies to all. Like I said I would never say I am fluent in Spanish and yet I was able to "communicate" very effectively on my first trip to Brasil, probably sounding like a clown but still communicating sufficiently well that I never searched for girls that spoke English, as I preferred the challenge and fun of interaction with Portuguese only speakers. I did do the pimsleur course in preparation so credit to them perhaps.
Did not mean to offend anyone. Carry on.
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09-07-21 23:31 #13120
Posts: 1136Well, maybe
Originally Posted by Rovnak [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 18:42 #13119
Posts: 648Originally Posted by ExecTalent [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 18:36 #13118
Posts: 648Originally Posted by ExecTalent [View Original Post]
Nothing you said disproves my observation that people are probably inflating their sense of fluency in Spanish. It's like every guy here write "I'm fluent in Spanish" and I just say they are probably confusing "fluency" with conversational acumen. Yes Brasileiros and Latinos have trouble understanding each other at first, I did not say the languages were identical, I said that linguistically they are closer together than many dialects are in other languages. Most words are cognate. The big difference is as you say phonological. I you learn the Portuguese phonological system you can pretty much convert thousands of Latin rooted words in English to Portuguese, and far more in Spanish. The language is phonetic, what you see is what you say. Pronouncing the sounds are very difficult for me, but knowing what the sounds are supposed to be is not that hard.
There is a big difference between being able to follow a conversation between Brasileiros, very difficult for a non native, vs conversing one in one with a brasileiro. The Brasileiro will slow down, and use simpler vocabulary, and if you respond with portunhol they will understand you.
I think you are overreacting. My point was a truly fluent Spanish speaker should be conversational in Portuguese quickly. I am not saying that they should be polyglots like you.
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09-07-21 17:15 #13117
Posts: 2278Wrong Again
Originally Posted by Rovnak [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 16:56 #13116
Posts: 423Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
Nounce seems have found a way to maximize value at Scandallo. He has unlimited patient and can hang around for a longtime in the club (which I can't do) and lets the action find him rather than the other way around.
Girls seem to start with 1000 or 1500 but they can quickly be negotiated down to 500-800 as Nounce has demonstrated when I was there. How low girl can go depends on how pretty and popular she is.
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09-07-21 16:53 #13115
Posts: 423Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 03:30 #13114
Posts: 648Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99 [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 03:25 #13113
Posts: 1329Originally Posted by SamaRiding [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 03:08 #13112
Posts: 648Fluent in Spanish but can't understand a word in Portuguese?
How many guys here have written "I'm fluent in Spanish but damn I can't understand anything in Brazil without Google tradutor" in the last year? I got news for you guys. You ain't "fluent" in Spanish if you can't understand a bit of Portuguese. It's hardly even qualifies as a separate language, and many consider the distinction to be at he level of dialect rather than language. I'm not saying Portuguese is not difficult, it can be. But it challenges my credulity to believe someone "truly" fluent in Spanish would be completely lost with Brazilian Portuguese which is easier than Portugal. I mean I never ever considered myself fluent in Spanish but just studying pimsleur Portuguese for a few weeks prior to visiting Brazil for first time in 2005, way before smart phone tradutor and I was immediately "conversational" and I am not even good with languages. So any self proclaimed "fluent" Spanish speaker should blow away my experience. Just saying.
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09-07-21 02:36 #13111
Posts: 2888EverythingBlue told me to strike gold
I saw a red head Friday night at Scandallo but I never saw her up close. I saw her again Saturday. She came to talk to Lalabo first, and he introduced her to me. She is very cute with a doll face and speaks very good English because she has worked overseas. Her price is 800. I asked if that is her final price, she started to explain to me what inflation is and why her service quality is worth 800. I asked what is included. She said no anal. I asked BBBJ, she said no because there are a lot of diseases. I told her I don't feel anything with condom. She said you know where to find me and left. I think this girl will get a client every day but I don't know why locals put up with that. She is pretty and very innocent looking that can disarm you with her look but she gave out too much info about her job that removed the illusion I had toward her similar to Rovnak wrote about.
Originally Posted by Rovnak [View Original Post]
I took her to the sofa on the way to the outdoor club area as it was just opened. I continued the screening process and did a lot of kissing. She said she likes to suck and that works for me. I also asked about DATY, she said something about doctors and surgery. I think penetration is OK but clitoris is off limit. I know this is a big deal for some but it is not for me. She also said rich locals will pay 2000, and she even mention tres mil but I could not quite catch the context on that arrangement. Most customers don't have problem paying her 800. Just to be sure, I confirmed the price with her again and wrote down our price agreement for 500 on the phone as a record in case there is a misunderstanding.
Once in a room, she went in the shower first to adjust it so it's the right temperature for me. Scandallo room has dual shower heads in case you haven't been there. The motel I went to the day before also has dual showers. She pointed to one of the handles telling me "quente" in Portuguese which means hot. I followed up with a frio / cold pointing to the other handle to let her know I understand. After shower, she sucked me pretty well and through for a long time, rimming included. I was surprised by the rimming, and now I understand what she meant when she said she likes to suck. This is the first rimming I have had in Latin America too. I am completely satisfied with the session.
I have met other mongers who are very skillful with girls and I have watched them in action but I am not one of them. Frequently I need to build up courage to approach girls. I think I develop patience to compensate the lack of skill. I think I am lucky that girls always quoted me the 800 price and are willing to go lower.
What Steve said here is a great advice. This will improve your chance of a good session. I must admit I did not quite get it just reading it. But after observing locals for a while then I see it. I think some locals don't even take the girls to the rooms after the make out session.
Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 01:38 #13110
Posts: 2888Originally Posted by Jimmy Boy 99 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by EverythingBlue [View Original Post]
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09-07-21 01:33 #13109
Posts: 235Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99 [View Original Post]
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09-06-21 23:36 #13108
Posts: 1329Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
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09-06-21 22:36 #13107
Posts: 648Originally Posted by EverythingBlue [View Original Post]
But most people here use low mileage to refer to "lifetime mileage" or time in business. In this context I think it's an illusion that low mileage is better. I think it's basically irrelevant in terms of the sexual appetite of the woman. There are low mileage dead fish and there are high mileage nymphos. The key is finding the "naturally sexual" women regardless of age and mileage. Many women actually get sexually better with age as in less inhibited and better technique but their basic sexual appetite is probably pretty well established by nature. Even more controversial, you will probably find more sexually gifted women in the Clinicas than at Scandalo minutes for reasons of self selection. A woman needs a pretty high libido to do well in SO Clinicas, whereas the women in Scandalo just need to look hot in an evening, dress. Many of them tell me the guys in Scandalo are drunk and last less then 15 minutes in the room and that is the way they like it. Not to say there are not exceptions to every rule, but I am sure there are guys every night at Scandalo paying 5 x for 1/5th the pleasure in spite of "low mileage".