Sao Paulo Reports

[Cons68]

It seems my post triggered a storm.

Personally I have no problem with ABG, I think he offers a service and he does above the board. It may suit some people, it may be a waste of time and money for others. But he seems to be reliable and straight forward about it.

Same goes for the boites, some people may enjoy the ambience, and the mingling. If they are willing to pay there should be no issue, you cannot argue that Fogo de Chao is a scam just because you can buy much cheaper food in McDonalds, it is a different value proposition.

Also I would like to point that a girl charging twice or 3 x in one place is not necessarily a scam, in a clinical she may have a well defined work stream where she can maximize her yield (to keep going with the restaurant comparison), in a boite she does not know when / if she will get a customer making the whole thing much more unpredictable. I would be hard pressed to complain about a provider charging more for a product / service with a much higher cost base.

Yes, clinicas seem to be more effective in terms of (pussy) -yield, but there is room for higher end restaurants too. Yes it is unfortunate that markets tend to cluster in either low-cost very effective or high-end very expensive as they mature but that is life. There is little between a $50 watch and a $1000 one.

My question was about rip-offs and tourist traps, like overcharging credit cards, customers getting drugged, robbed,. Those kind of things.

Yes, I'm also not a big fan of tour guides. But ABG's been forthcoming about his motives. And services. It's not like, after you met him, he states he's going to charge you. Nothing posted here states you have to use him. Actually, in this age of Google, he's giving the store away. Using Google maps, and navigation, one can easily find the places he recommends. Don't speak the lingo? There are apps for that too. Some of you are missing it: he's pointing you in the right direction to some quality tail.

I disagree with Sperto, this thread would be DEAD if not for him.

Lasty, you may be surprised to learn, some of those ladies you meet at these fancy clubs, may have been had at a much lower price point at one of these clinics or privies. Keep up the good work ABG.

[Java Man]

And lets say I was charged 400 R to tour clinicas and shagged two girls. Are the boites really be overprice now? I see this board as a place for info, not a place to make money off people that don't know the city and can't speak the language.

I think it's very unfair of some of you complaining about AltoBomGosto's services. If it wasn't for his contributions the So Paulo thread would be almost dead. He gives updated information on, what IMO is the most interesting mongerscene, the prives. If we had a ABG in the Rio thread giving updated priv information I would be a very happy monger.He offers his services to those of you needs them.

I also support ABG, who showed me around SP first time I was there. Yes, I paid him, and it was an investment that yielded 100% to 300% in saved time, money, etc. He steered me away from rip offs (the terma equivalents, which are 300% higher price than the clinicas, like Miruna, which are best bang for buck).

Yes, I'm also not a big fan of tour guides. But ABG's been forthcoming about his motives. And services. It's not like, after you met him, he states he's going to charge you. Nothing posted here states you have to use him. Actually, in this age of Google, he's giving the store away. Using Google maps, and navigation, one can easily find the places he recommends. Don't speak the lingo? There are apps for that too. Some of you are missing it: he's pointing you in the right direction to some quality tail.

I disagree with Sperto, this thread would be DEAD if not for him.

Lasty, you may be surprised to learn, some of those ladies you meet at these fancy clubs, may have been had at a much lower price point at one of these clinics or privies. Keep up the good work ABG.

[Hobbying]

Nothing wrong with tour guide for a fee its all over the boards.

What is wrong is steering people for kickbacks / perks and clashing with people that post about clubs.

Just got tired of every post about clubs got replied with how overpriced they are.

[PatmarBeleza1]

I also support ABG, who showed me around SP first time I was there. Yes, I paid him, and it was an investment that yielded 100% to 300% in saved time, money, etc. He steered me away from rip offs (the terma equivalents, which are 300% higher price than the clinicas, like Miruna, which are best bang for buck).

I see this board as a place for info as well, however, if one offers to take others (newbies / non-speakers / lost, etc) out and about for a fee, big deal.

He's actually saving them both time and money.

Nothing like wasting both your time and money trying to figure a city out, especially if you're unfamiliar, new at the game, non-speaker, etc.

For some guys, a service like that is desired and requested.

Happens all over, in lots of cities.

No big deal.

[Sperto]

I think it's very unfair of some of you complaining about AltoBomGosto's services. If it wasn't for his contributions the São Paulo thread would be almost dead. He gives updated information on, what IMO is the most interesting mongerscene, the privées. If we had a ABG in the Rio thread giving updated privê information I would be a very happy monger.

He offers his services to those of you needs them. That's just excellent. It's propably not an easy work having to deal with newbie gringos who often have no idea about how the mongering scene works. São Paulo is a huge city. The privées are very much spread out. To somebody who doesn't know São Paulo it would take a lot of time finding all the right addresses. It would take a lot of metro- or taxi-rides. I've never had the pleasure of meeting ABG, but it seems like those who have used his services are very satisfied. If you're not interested in his services, then don't use them and stop complaining.

[Ricker]

I see this board as a place for info, not a place to make money off people that don't know the city and can't speak the language.

I see this board as a place for info as well, however, if one offers to take others (newbies / non-speakers / lost, etc) out and about for a fee, big deal.

He's actually saving them both time and money.

Nothing like wasting both your time and money trying to figure a city out, especially if you're unfamiliar, new at the game, non-speaker, etc.

For some guys, a service like that is desired and requested.

Happens all over, in lots of cities.

No big deal.

[Hobbying]

I visited Sampa first in 2005 on my way to another South American country. I stayed 2 nights in Novotel Center Norte. After arriving to the hotel I checked the Yellow pages and decided to call an escort agency. After awhile the girl arrived and she looked OK. The problem was that she was really tired and wanted to sleep and not to play my erotic games. I called the escort agency and told them the situation. They promised to send me another girl. I sent the first girl away and waited for the second one. She came soon, but when I opened the door I noticed that she was quite small, some 130 cm (4' 4" When she took her clothes off I noticed that there was something wrong with her. Well, her body proportions were not quite the same as we fully grown people have. She was a midget (sorry for not being politically correct). I had never fucked a girl like that, so I decided to give it a try. Everything was OK until when she was riding on top of me. I noticed some blood on my pubic hair. The girl was menstruating. I didn't want to fuck my midget anymore and sent her away. I called the escort agency and complaint, but they just washed their hands saying that they didn't know anything about that..

Totally understandable for someone that doesn't know the city and speak porto would want a wing man to help them which this board has a thread for travel announcements. And when no one can be a wing man they might feel like there are no other option than to pay for a tour guide. I've seen plenty of tour guide offers all over this board which I'm fine with. But its not cool to take advantage of the situation of the other person if they ask about clubs or clash with people posting about clubs.

For those that don't speak the language and would like to go to a club, I would recommend Bomboa. It's pretty safe imo. There are at least 3 waiters that speak English and are will to help no need to tip them either. The club makes the girls get exams and tested every 3 months. If a girl did anything wrong like the problems you had with a client they will tell the girl to leave. 250 R cover which can all be used for food and drinks, 150 for room, 400-500 R for girl. Tell the girl you will want to take her out if everything goes good which gives them motivation to give you a great time in the room LOL.

[Nordico]

I see this board as a place for info, not a place to make money off people that don't know the city and can't speak the language.

I visited Sampa first in 2005 on my way to another South American country. I stayed 2 nights in Novotel Center Norte. After arriving to the hotel I checked the Yellow pages and decided to call an escort agency. After awhile the girl arrived and she looked OK. The problem was that she was really tired and wanted to sleep and not to play my erotic games. I called the escort agency and told them the situation. They promised to send me another girl. I sent the first girl away and waited for the second one. She came soon, but when I opened the door I noticed that she was quite small, some 130 cm (4' 4" When she took her clothes off I noticed that there was something wrong with her. Well, her body proportions were not quite the same as we fully grown people have. She was a midget (sorry for not being politically correct). I had never fucked a girl like that, so I decided to give it a try. Everything was OK until when she was riding on top of me. I noticed some blood on my pubic hair. The girl was menstruating. I didn't want to fuck my midget anymore and sent her away. I called the escort agency and complaint, but they just washed their hands saying that they didn't know anything about that.

Next evening I took couple of caipirinhas too much and got horny. I had read somewhere about Rua Augusta (I didn't know anything about ISG at that time). I took a taxi there and walked up and down the street. I entered one sleazy bar and it was full of girls. I took a drink and talked to one of the girls. She looked really safada, just as I like them. The bar had kind of rooms in the basement and there we went. The sex was quite good and I didn't get ripped off by the bar. Afterwards I have laughed many times to my first experience in Sampa, but I was very lucky that I didn't get ripped off more than I was and mugged and robbed in Rua Augusta area.

Nowadays I know enough to move around a bit in Sampa but thinking about my experience in the past, I think it's great that there is somebody, who is willing to take the newbie mongers and new to So Paulo safely around the city and the places he knows best and shares his information with us. It can save many a lot of money, time and unpleasant situations.

I also like the boate scene, but it can be really expensive, even if very satisfying and pleasurable experience. For you who live in Sampa or in Brazil it may be easy to move around, but for somebody who is coming from outside, it may be overwhelming by it's size and also quite dangerous if you put your feet in a wrong area. And for people who don't speak Porto, the situation is twice as difficult.

[SouthernGunner]

I like both clinicas and boites. Clinicas a great way to get in and out fast and cheap. Most boites let you use part of the cover charge to use for drinks and food so its a great way place to hang out eat and drink with a girl and see if the girl is worth the higher price to shag.

But if I were repeatedly say how clinicas are not worth it every time someone talks about them and how great clubs are and I charge to take people to tour the clubs and also get some sort of kickback / perk from the clubs, would that be sinister or distasteful?

Boites 200's cover 150 R for room / motel and girl 400-500 R. 800-900 R total cost to eat drink and shag a girl.

And lets say I was charged 400 R to tour clinicas and shagged two girls. Are the boites really be overprice now?

I see this board as a place for info, not a place to make money off people that don't know the city and can't speak the language.

I am absolutely agree with you!

[Hobbying]

Yes, that's it. Bottom line, You'll pay more at the boites: High covers, over priced drinks, high rates for the Garotas. More Bang for the Buck where he goes. Nutin sinister about it.

I like both clinicas and boites. Clinicas a great way to get in and out fast and cheap. Most boites let you use part of the cover charge to use for drinks and food so its a great way place to hang out eat and drink with a girl and see if the girl is worth the higher price to shag.

But if I were repeatedly say how clinicas are not worth it every time someone talks about them and how great clubs are and I charge to take people to tour the clubs and also get some sort of kickback / perk from the clubs, would that be sinister or distasteful?

Boites 200's cover 150 R for room / motel and girl 400-500 R. 800-900 R total cost to eat drink and shag a girl.

And lets say I was charged 400 R to tour clinicas and shagged two girls. Are the boites really be overprice now?

I see this board as a place for info, not a place to make money off people that don't know the city and can't speak the language.

[Samuel46]

I want to thank AltoBomGosto for being my wing man for two days last week. We went to two places each of the days and the girls were wonderful. AltoBomGosto is also a great tour guide for Sao Paulo. We had a great time and saw some beautiful ladies. Thank you ABG. I will certainly contact you next time I am in Sao Paulo.

[Teeoff16]

Just got into town. Wondering who was open today.

Thanks!

[Tribute15]

The debate is silly.

Clinicas and Prives serve their purpose well.

Enter, choose, do your thing.

Yes, most usually at a lower price than the Clubs / Boates.

The Clubs and Boates provide more of a fun and party atmosphere.

More schmoozing, getting to know, enjoying the visuals, etc.

Can be fun!

The pricing depends on the individual guy, the girl selected, Portuguese, charming factors and negotiating skills.

Generally, of course, the pricing will end up higher than at the Clinicas, however, it just depends.

Both avenues are great, serve a purpose and are viable.

Just do what makes you happy!

Do both!!

Cheers.

For each his own. Some want a quickie spot and some want the ambiance, drink, conversation before sex. They all have and serve their purpose.

[Tribute15]

I would actually -like- to go to a club Friday night this week, I just need someone to talk to, joke with, and pass some translation. Cost isn't a huge issue, I just want to have fun. I can argue WITH and AGAINST the $/ fuck ratio, but its really an individual decision.

Hell,('' if I could bring home a young local for <1000 for the night that left me thin and on an IV drip by morning, it would be worth every cent. '')I have no front-desk hotel issues either. AirBNB for the win.

First round on me.

That in bracket killed me. RTLMAO.

[Ricker]

Yes, that's it. Bottom line, You'll pay more at the boites: High covers, over priced drinks, high rates for the Garotas. More Bang for the Buck where he goes. Nutin sinister about it.

The debate is silly.

Clinicas and Prives serve their purpose well.

Enter, choose, do your thing.

Yes, most usually at a lower price than the Clubs / Boates.

The Clubs and Boates provide more of a fun and party atmosphere.

More schmoozing, getting to know, enjoying the visuals, etc.

Can be fun!

The pricing depends on the individual guy, the girl selected, Portuguese, charming factors and negotiating skills.

Generally, of course, the pricing will end up higher than at the Clinicas, however, it just depends.

Both avenues are great, serve a purpose and are viable.

Just do what makes you happy!

Do both!!

Cheers.