Sao Paulo Reports

[AltoBomGosto]

If I could go back in time I would prefer to be one of Pero Vaz de Caminha's ship crew member. The cunhadismo system was so wonderful! In order to greet strangers Indians were offering women to them.

SG, please I'll add a correction to your post :

Admiral Pedro Álvares Cabral was the captain of the fleet of 13 ships who first arrived to Porto Seguro, Bahia. This was at the 22nd April of 1500.

Pero Vaz de Caminha was the royal "reporter" who wrote the letter advising D. Manuel, o Venturoso, King of Portugal, of the dicovery of Brasil. This letter was shipped to the king tree days later, on one ship comanded by Gaspar Lemos, who took care of the task!

All the rest o Cabral's crew kept enjoyng themseves with the indian females. They were very disapointed when Cabral ordered the fleet to continue towards India.

ABG

[AltoBomGosto]

I agree. Less headaches,"negotiations" kill the spirit. At the worst I crosscheck the pricing in a subtle way, jsut to make sure we are on the same tune and the rest, let it flow.

IMHO negociate prior to get laid to avoid misunderstandings and further headaches! Nothining is more boooring to have your climax interrupted with the girl asking more for a BBBJ / CIM.

All should be clear, if you want DFK / BBBJ / CIM and ANAL. Those are extras nomally not included in the standart services of the privées and CLínicas. I suggest extra R$ 20, 00; R$ 20, 00 for BBBJ; R$ 20, 00 CIM and R$ 70, 00 ANAL.

Have fun!

ABG

[Sui Generis]

Excellent info, ABG! I think I speak for many of us, when I say, I'd love to go back in time and spend a few weeks with you in Rio during the golden years of the "bossa nova"!

If I could go back in time I would prefer to be one of Pero Vaz de Caminha's ship crew member. The cunhadismo system was so wonderful! In order to greet strangers Indians were offering women to them.

[Sui Generis]

Excellent info, ABG! I think I speak for many of us, when I say, I'd love to go back in time and spend a few weeks with you in Rio during the golden years of the "bossa nova"!

If I could go back in time I would prefer to be one of Pero Vaz de Caminha's ship crew member. The cunhadismo system was so wonderful! In order to greet strangers the Indians were offering women to them.

[BionicMan]

Bingo! I NEVER go with a strategy or with specific demands when I meet a GDP. I may be swimming against the current because MOST mongers (especially in Brazil) will tell you that when you deal with a GDP it is important to ask her beforehand if she allows particular sexual acitvities (anal, BBBJ, DATY, CIM, DFK' etc.) I prefer to let it flow naturally. If the session doesn't turn out the way I like, then I don't blame the GDP but I can suspect that she was not happy to be with me. I respect her decision.

I agree. Less headaches,"negotiations" kill the spirit. At the worst I crosscheck the pricing in a subtle way, jsut to make sure we are on the same tune and the rest, let it flow.

[Sui Generis]

My apologies SG, I neglected to read in your original post when you CLEARLY mentioned that it was the 'CHEMISTRY' with a GDP that allowed for this extra time. I see why you thought my question was very strange! Hahahaha! Obviously there's no way to explain a strategy that can be used to create chemistry, since its either there or not a lot of times. Although I would agree that treating GDPs with respect and care, along with good communication skills in Portuguese is at least a start to potentially developing good chemistry!

Not seeing the comment about the importance of chemistry that you had written, I was thinking that you went in with a specific strategy of doing or saying certain things that might lead to extra time with a GDP after a programa.

I also, NEVER have or will treat a GDP like a piece of meat or a sex toy-I hope that we are the norm and not the exception, SG!

Bingo! I NEVER go with a strategy or with specific demands when I meet a GDP. I may be swimming against the current because MOST mongers (especially in Brazil) will tell you that when you deal with a GDP it is important to ask her beforehand if she allows particular sexual acitvities (anal, BBBJ, DATY, CIM, DFK' etc.) I prefer to let it flow naturally. If the session doesn't turn out the way I like, then I don't blame the GDP but I can suspect that she was not happy to be with me. I respect her decision.

Last year it turned out very badly with Bruna that was working at Redway: no DFK and she was very mechanical. I reported the fact on the board and it was clear that I had no intention to repeat with her. Period.

I want to stress something else: Nowadays, I prefer to meet GDP in privês because the time you spend with her is scheduled. You bang her and then thank you mam! If a free-lancer gives you extra time it can fuck your mind: Why is she doing this? Does she (really) like me? Does she have a plan behind her head in order to ask me more money later?

As I have a lover in my personal life I don't want to fuck up my mind with such existential questions.

I am not into TLN anymore. When I am in my hotel, rr wherever else, I just want to relax and do the things I like: such as reading, writing and relaxing at the pool or in the gym. (This is the main reason why I travel alone: the be with myself with no women around me all the time!) I don't like to ALWAYS have company around me. As I know my way around São Paulo I don't feel lost in that megalopolis.

When I mean extra-time, I am referring to REAL EXTRA-time: When I was 24 years old I met that Bahiana that was working at Erotika (a boate that doesn't exist anymore that was located on Princesa Isabel between Av Atlântica and Nossa Senhora the Copacabana, on the West side of the street) and I spent TWO years with her. My best moment is when we went together to Parque Tivoli and attraction Park that doesn't exist anymore. It was located on the shores of the Lagoa Freitas)

In 1984, I met in a boate that was called Frank's a GDP which name was Nadia. She was originally from São Luis do Maranhão: When spend 48 hours in my room, at no extra cost, drinking beers, eating passarinhos and having mad sex. . When I came back in 1986, I met her again and she even bought gifts (for my daugther and a Jersey of the seleção for me). She also invited me to a restaurant (the funny thing with that is that she was ashamed to do this in public. She said to me that (then) women were not paying for men. So she handed me to money under the table. I laughed at this practice because from where I come from(Montréal, Canada) women are very independant and it is a common practice that they invite men to have dinner with them!

Now, as I'm older, I don't think that I could "seduce" easily like that a GDP. The last time it happened to me was in 2005. I won't disclose the name of that GDP because she is still active. It really fucked up my mind because I had the impression that I was really cheating my wife (especially when I came back to my country and the she was chatting with me on MSN) I don't want these kind of (emotional) problems in my life anymore because I have a regular Brazilian GF right now. Moreover, she's working in the same domain as me. I don't want to get too close with GDPs. I have a quick bang and that's it.

[Pilfers22]

Excellent info, ABG! I think I speak for many of us, when I say, I'd love to go back in time and spend a few weeks with you in Rio during the golden years of the "bossa nova"!

But you have to agree that you only achieved this point because you've learned enough Porto to be able to comunicate well! Congatulations!

Thanks ABG! I really appreciate the compliment!

I'm shure she did what she did with you was not only because of the money, but because the feelings she has about you. You did the right thing, you TD her first and later you had her complete.

No question that my experience with her was a special one because of the great chemistry between us, but certainly this is the exception to the rule and not the norm to find such a match! But to your point, its a good idea to TD at Redway until you find someone that is a good fit!

[Pilfers22]

What a strange question, Pilfers22? I think that you're asking this question from the wrong end. I think that when it comes to «chemistry» there's really no (rational) explanation whatsoever.

My apologies SG, I neglected to read in your original post when you CLEARLY mentioned that it was the 'CHEMISTRY' with a GDP that allowed for this extra time. I see why you thought my question was very strange! Hahahaha! Obviously there's no way to explain a strategy that can be used to create chemistry, since its either there or not a lot of times. Although I would agree that treating GDPs with respect and care, along with good communication skills in Portuguese is at least a start to potentially developing good chemistry!

Not seeing the comment about the importance of chemistry that you had written, I was thinking that you went in with a specific strategy of doing or saying certain things that might lead to extra time with a GDP after a programa.

I also, NEVER have or will treat a GDP like a piece of meat or a sex toy-I hope that we are the norm and not the exception, SG!

[AltoBomGosto]

What a strange question, Pilfers22?

I think that you're asking this question from the wrong end. I think that when it comes to «chemistry» there's really no (rational) explanation whatsoever.

I definitely never go with a plan when I meet a GDP and women in general. The answer lies maybe in the fact that I never consider women as « pieces of meat » or « sex toys ». I like to make them feel unique. Don't forget that I have French blood running in my veins: I know how to talk to women.

Moreover, I am always respectful, polite, I have a good self-esteem of myself, I'm very confident and that's about it.

I don't have extra time with all free-lance GDP. That would be preposterous to say that. But when I have extra-time it always occurs on the first date. I don't know how to explain that. Period. I was always blessed with this capacity to seduce women even if I consider myself an average looking man. I always had the occult power to attract women. When I was in my 20's each time I was in a stripper club I was able to go out after the evening with a stripper without paying any money. I eventually ended up living- for 25 years- with a former stripper. I know what sex workers (which are also normal women) are looking for in a man. They are looking for men that treat them with respect. I don't know what to add. There's definitely no answer to this question.

PF, to add a little more to this discussion I would like to point out that this " chemistry " is something that's natural attraction between a womwn and a men, even if she's a GDP she's a woman! She has feelings! And if she's a GDP she must love sex, otherwise she will nor have success in her venture.

Also myself when I use to be a youngster I had sex for free with a lot of non pro girls, in USA and I Brazil. Rio de Janeiro was the best at those golden years of the "bossa nova"

Even the famous Kilt Club, at those days a small place, was one of my favorite hunting places. I ended up several times having sex with a garota from Kilt Club for free. Tania Maciel, the founder and owner, was there every night.

That's why I like so much to go to Redway.

Even that some times house lacks of some details, as the mould on the wall of room number 3 that SG pointed out several times in this boarda, there are always new girls coming into the cast every week! And now vaní has refurbushed this number 3 room, also hired Takuma, who is fluent in English and Japanese, so there are no more commuinication problems with the ISG members.

PH, take an example of Daní Mulata, the 19th years ebony girl I've introduced to you on your least trip to Sampa. You had a great time with her.

I'm shure she did what she did with you was not only because of the money, but because the feelings she has about you. You did the right thing, you TD her first and later you had her complete.

Regarding the "free" or independent GSPs you had a very good time with one of them, I would rather not nominate her on the open board since she's a " ficha rosa".

But you have to agree that you only achieved this point because you've learned enough Porto to be able to comunicate well! Congatulations!

IMHO 99, 95% of the "free" GDPs do not speak anything else than portuguese and for an average expatriate who don't have the skills to comunicate, he will be in a great risk, unlesse some brasilian guy is with him or recomended a specific GDP!.

Even worse if he reachs a GDP by the internet, if he finally gets someone who answers his phone call and speaks english, almost 99% of the chances are that the guy ends up with some agency, and "bait and swich" is their normal procedure.

As a rule of a thumb, inspect before you get it. Go, see and talk to your GDP before getting laid!

Also forget about boites, if they have personal who speaks english they will generally rip you off!

In the event you want to risk your neck at a boite, negociate your entance fee, most of the boites will lower their entrance fees even if you are not fluent in Porto. nornally entrance fee is paid in advance.

Beware of surprises by ending up having to pay an astronomical bill at the end of the night!

So pay each drink separetly.

Before ordering a drink for your GDP ask the waiter (and not the GDP) how much it costs, all the GDPs have comission over the drinks ans will ask you the most expensive!

Beware of anything you are drinking,

Don't get into a " good night Cinderella " trick, where a GDP mixes some narcotics in your drink so you sleep well and when you awake she's gone and you have been ripped of of all your money, credit cards, etc!

I even know cases that the guy had his clothes stollen!

Do not be an idiot, I've seen many cases of GDP's who work at the "prediões" who charge R$ 30, 00 for one "quickie" during the day asking (and getting) R$ 500, 00 from a gringo at night on a well known boite. You have to be rich and also be dumb to do so! Don't get drunk!

Never go to a motel with a GDP without checking her I'd, to get laid down with a minor is a severe ofense and you will be in big trouble if caught! This is a special warning if you plan to monger at beach cities like Rio, Salvador, Natal, etc.

But I wish you'all a GREAT TIME!

ABG

[Sui Generis]

Sounds great SG! But can you go into more detail about how you go about getting this extra time with the free-lancers? Is it just because you are having so much fun they forget about the time and want to continue, or do you go in with a plan to make this happen? Are you able to get this extra time the first time you see a free-lancer, or is this usually with free-lancers that you have previously visited? Any strategic tips would be appreciated by all.

What a strange question, Pilfers22?

I think that you're asking this question from the wrong end. I think that when it comes to «chemistry» there's really no (rational) explanation whatsoever.

I definitely never go with a plan when I meet a GDP and women in general. The answer lies maybe in the fact that I never consider women as « pieces of meat » or « sex toys ». I like to make them feel unique. Don't forget that I have French blood running in my veins: I know how to talk to women.
Moreover, I am always respectful, polite, I have a good self-esteem of myself, I'm very confident and that's about it.

I don't have extra time with all free-lance GDP. That would be preposterous to say that. But when I have extra-time it always occurs on the first date. I don't know how to explain that. Period. I was always blessed with this capacity to seduce women even if I consider myself an average looking man. I always had the occult power to attract women. When I was in my 20's each time I was in a stripper club I was able to go out after the evening with a stripper without paying any money. I eventually ended up living- for 25 years- with a former stripper. I know what sex workers (which are also normal women) are looking for in a man. They are looking for men that treat them with respect. I don't know what to add. There's definitely no answer to this question.

[Pilfers22]

3) I always book two or three sessions with free-lance GDP. It's a little bit more expensive but all things considered it is still a very good option. Of course it is almost mandatory to speak Portuguese. There's always a chance to extend your session for several hours (without paying extra money) if there is good chemistry between you and the GDP. So far, I was always lucky. I hope it will be the same this year.

Sounds great SG! But can you go into more detail about how you go about getting this extra time with the free-lancers? Is it just because you are having so much fun they forget about the time and want to continue, or do you go in with a plan to make this happen? Are you able to get this extra time the first time you see a free-lancer, or is this usually with free-lancers that you have previously visited? Any strategic tips would be appreciated by all.

[AltoBomGosto]

ABG, I cannot wait to see you in a couple of days.

Stars are well aligned for me nowadays. I received job offers in Porto Alegre, Brasilia (beurk!) and I'm working on a project in São Paulo that will probably open doors for me. I'll tell you more about that. It seems that I'll be back in September in Sampa. For Professional reasons.

Back to your post. The only things that I can complain about privês and clinicas is that it is more difficult to find a GDP who speaks English in these venues. Don't forget that ISG is an International forum and most mongers are not speaking Portuguese. Consequently, they have more chance to find an English speaking GDP thru internet ads or if they visit a boate.

If I settle down in Sampa, I'll give free English (French and German) courses to GDP!

At Red Way Takuma, the new manager, Suzana and Dani, all speak english.

MMe Vaní understand and speaks some words.

And they wellcome all ISG members.

[Sui Generis]

S. G. 100 % with you!

But only if, as you are, and individual who is a teacher, left in São Paulo for quite a while and knows all the local mongeres. You are even member of the biggest board in Brasil, and maybe in the World!

But if it comes to an average person, who do not know the city well, speaks little or no Porto, going to get a girl from the internet will most likely end up as a disaster!

ABG, I cannot wait to see you in a couple of days.

Stars are well aligned for me nowadays. I received job offers in Porto Alegre, Brasilia (beurk!) and I'm working on a project in São Paulo that will probably open doors for me. I'll tell you more about that. It seems that I'll be back in September in Sampa. For Professional reasons.

Back to your post. The only things that I can complain about privês and clinicas is that it is more difficult to find a GDP who speaks English in these venues. Don't forget that ISG is an International forum and most mongers are not speaking Portuguese. Consequently, they have more chance to find an English speaking GDP thru internet ads or if they visit a boate.

If I settle down in Sampa, I'll give free English (French and German) courses to GDP!

[AltoBomGosto]

ABG,

Habitually my favorite playgrounds are.

1) Privês: more precisely Redway and Espaço Morumbi. I didn't visit Espaço Morumbi last year. As I won't stay in Moema this year, I have no intention go visit Espaço Morumbi this time. I'm very satisfied with Redway even if I'm a little bit critical of the rooms (I hate the one on the patio outside and with molds on the wall!)

2) CLínica: My favorite one is still Redmassagem, in Moema. I'll visit that premisse this year. I especially like to have duplas there. Elis is my favorite GDP. A trip to São Paulo wouldn't be complete without a session with her.

3) I always book two or three sessions with free-lance GDP. It's a little bit more expensive but all things considered it is still a very good option. Of course it is almost mandatory to speak Portuguese. There's always a chance to extend your session for several hours (without paying extra money) if there is good chemistry between you and the GDP. So far, I was always lucky. I hope it will be the same this year.

4) I always pick up non-pros in Happy Hours. Just for the fun of hunting women that are not "mercenarias". I still get a kick out of it!

5) Finally, I always pay a visit to a former GF. It feels good to be with someone that knows you intimately.

S. G. 100 % with you!

But only if, as you are, and individual who is a teacher, left in São Paulo for quite a while and knows all the local mongeres. You are even member of the biggest board in Brasil, and maybe in the World!

But if it comes to an average person, who do not know the city well, speaks little or no Porto, going to get a girl from the internet will most likely end up as a disaster!

[AltoBomGosto]

I got there. Looks like the good ones have left for the day. Any recommendations?

Yesterday arrived ar RW 5 PM. ; even for a Monday the house was packed of gorgeous girls. Great happy hour!

Did a revival with Daní the small mulata (see my erlier post about her ).

But most of the girls were blondes, as well as Aisha, the philipino / brasilian girl, now with her new looking hair!

But be there before 8 PM. After this time the best looking girls are gone!