Sao Paulo Reports

[Nounce]

I don't look at things in term of absolute. This is more an explanation than winning an argument, and hopefully someone find it as sharing.

The price is about the same period in similar area, it's a place called Centro in both Rio and Sao Paulo.

The orange juice price list is Rio. The red hat man holding a bottle is SP. That bottle is about 500 CC and was are $4 last year. I always bought 5 bottles to bring back to my apartment. The other 2 pictures show the SP wholesale market where I found the juice vendor. Everything came in large trucks and it is only open at night. You basically buy in bulk. There are smaller vendors sprinkle around that sell in small retail quantity as well. This is not on the map. I found this area seeing the bright lights on freeway going to Scandallo so I tried to find out what's here. LOL. Lots of good stuff. The picture with Pastel price is in SP. If you take metro going to clinicas, you will likely know this standd. This picture is just for fun memory.

The Yakisoba price is Rio. I think some of you will recognize where this is taken. haha. Its RB156. I ordered it with a guanana juice and sit on the chair in the picture using that white stool as table. I still remember this day I had a date with a 4x4 blonde that we promised each other we would not cancel. We didn't meet because her baby sitter did not show up.

SP does not have price but it starts at are $5 and large one is are $10. There are 3 different vendors here. The last picture is fried rice and is now obsolete which I already miss greatly.

[TjBrazil]

Rio has many nicer places to meet girls in person. If you are an online only guy then I guess it doesn't matter. Go to Medellin, it's cheaper. If you like the chase of going to different places and finding your type, then Rio wins easily. The girls are much wilder in Rio. My next trip to Rio is going to be my first post pandemic trip with no Covid test needed to leave. I will see if things have changed for the better.

[Knowledge]

You can get a medical exemption if you are 60 or older. You would need it or the vaccine certificate to directly enter Colombia or Panama. Bon voyage.

I believe you need a Yellow Fever vac certificate to enter Colombia from Brazil.

[Globalnomad5]

I believe you need a Yellow Fever vac certificate to enter Colombia from Brazil.

So I think I will spend 1 week in SP, 1 week in Rio, and 1 week in Boogota on my way back to California.

[Steve 9696]

I write all my adventures down in detail. Sometimes I go back and read favorite adventures to relive them. It was timely when I went to read Brazil 2019 because I contended yesterday that Brasilieras were better on the BBBJ and more girlfriendy than any other nationality. I was careful to say that is just my opinion. But I happened upon this fact:

"Of the 9 girls I saw, I finished 7 CIM. And 5 out of those swallowed without a second thought. Nice!”

To me that's solid data. 7 out of 9 CIM and 5 swallowed. Wtf. Brasileiras rule!

[BigButtDetecto]

Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to not try Brazil, so don't go. Colombia is decent but nowhere near as good as Brazil. Everyone I've met who have tried both, prefer Brazil, including all of the posters who replied to you below.

The only thing different in Medellin is the Facebook scene, which you may prefer but I find ordering girls online boring.

Regarding the friendliness of the people, I found both friendly but prefer the Brazilians as they seem more outgoing up for a good time.

It might help if you tell us what kind of mongering are you looking for? Do you want to find girls online, street walkers, girls in brothels (casas and prives in Colombia and Brazil respectively), in bars / clubs or in strip clubs / termas?

I like cities that have all options available in term of quantity, quality and reliability; Bogota has it all; I went there so many times; It is just that I want to explore other venues; I went to Rio 20 years ago and had good time; that was before the ISG; there was the WSG but not as good as ISG. So I think I will spend 1 week in SP, 1 week in Rio, and 1 week in Boogota on my way back to California.

[Wayne Roberts]

As someone who is in Brazil at this moment on my 7th visit, I can honestly say EVERYTHING you have posted here is so wrong. I will address your statements individually.

"If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo. ".

If you have a large budget, why would you even want to stay in Sao Paulo? If you have the money to travel, then flying out of SP is the best use of your funds.

"If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo. ".

That statement tells me all we need to know about your experience in Sao Paulo. Specifically, its obvious to me that you have never been there. SP is a large, nasty, filthy, dangerous and ugly place. Really. It has the highest costs for everything and an overflowing population of homeless that shit on the sidewalks. SP is the only place where I have had to use the flashlight on my cellphone at night to ensure I wasn't stepping in human shit, because the neighborhood was a habitat for the homeless. SP has virtually no colonial buildings, just lots of ugly architecture in 15 shades of grey. It is the drabbest city in Brazil. And no, it has no mountains, no beaches, no ranges of lovely green hills. So, how can it have the best of everything? What it does have is the worst, most unpredictible weather in Brazil, going from extreme heat to chilly weather within a week. The rain has already ruined two days of Carnaval this year. And when it rains, it can rain for weeks and make the experience miserable. Then you will be at the airport with a ticket up north. And then there is that random downpour which leaves you drenched on the street, which I experienced today. In my experience, SP has the worst climate in the world. And then there is traffic and pollution. But, don't get me started on that. The only thing I like about SP is that it is home to Brazil's most ecletic and edgy music. Lots of good concerts here. Culturally, it is actually a bit lacking as there isn't a real Cultura Paulistana whereas the rest of the country as its unique cultural characteristics. So, if you have money, you'd be a fool not to catch a flight out of Sao Paulo. Brazil is an extremely rich and diverse nation. The punting just happens to be exceptional, as well.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

Wrong! Rio is still expensive. BTW, you actually stated that you thought SP was actually cheaper. But seriously, if you have a minimum budget, catch a bus out of SP into any other nearby cities. Any Brazilian will tell you that Rio and SP are far more expensive than other cities. I indicate SP as 90% of all international flights arrive at GRU. Direct flights into Rio are limited and expensive. Cities like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Florianopolis are less expensive (though Floripa can be higher during the high season) in most aspects. Punting costs are around HALF the price. The local food is interesting in those places and the cities more tranquil, with few filthy, homeless agressively pestering you for money or sleeping on the sidewalk. I prefer the Northeast myself, though you will need to fly to those cities. The bus trip would be brutally long! The Northeast has many amazing, uncrowded beaches, as well as triving urban beaches. The Northeast will always be warm enough for swimming! Plus some cities like Joao Pessoa and Recife (along with its neighbor Olinda) have lots of colonial buildings. Forget Salvador, as it is a pricey, overrated, tourist destination and possibly the most dangerous city in Brazil. The Bahian food and beaches are excellent, but access to other cities outside of Salvador is time consuming and / or expensive..

Thanks for your insight, but a few things you need to put into perspective.

1. These other cities and locations that you mention, they are not geared up to support our hobby like SP and Rio are. Yes there are women there, but you are not going to see the same number of quality venues that facilitate things.

2. A lack of Portuguese is already tricky in SP and Rio, but its another ball game when you head into the other cities.

3. Unless you have a significant amount of time to spend on the ground in these places, its going to take a while before you have figured the place out well enough to consistently get high level experiences. Thats less of an issue in SP and Rio.

4. Go into any boate in SP and then go into any terma in Rio. On average, there are going to be way more lighter skinned women in SP. Yes you will find them in Rio, but the number drops the further north you go. Simple demographics.

5. The best working girls in the country go to their local business districts because that's where the money is. This is not just in Brazil, this is the world over. The elite tend to go abroad if they have the option to leave for a while.

So in the context of the average punter who is going to have a month or less on average, then SP and Rio make far more sense than anything you suggested. None of the advice you offered helps anyone but expats or guys who have the ability to travel for long periods of time. The only guys who could get some value out of what you suggested are the guys who speak porto.

I was recently in Floripa. Almost no clubs, your options are escorts and online dating apps. Given time you will build an amazing stable, but if you only have a week what's the point?

[OJeito]

I have been to both (and most everywhere else) and here are some facts. And some opinions.

Fact: The Brasileira Bunda (butt) is a real thing. Pretty face. Tiny waist and a bubble butt like no other. It's not fat. It's not muscle bound. It's simply amazing. Not all brasilian girls have it of course. Depends on their genetic line. But when you find it you will be amazed. You will not generally find this in Colombia. The BB is unique and amazing. And I'm not an ass man but was still in awe. I mean it.

Opinion widely held that Briazilian girls provide more IOP (illusion of passion) and DFK and general GFE than anywhere else. I happen to agree with this. I believe a large majority of Brasileiras you will meet at a Boate really bring it in the room and either want to be there or will make us believe they do.

Opinion mine. My experience in Colombia was that most of the girls consider BBBJ to be something you do a bit of before sex. Whereas Brasileiras tend to be more orally fixated and provide amazing kissing snd BBBJ in equal measure to regular sex. I haven't yet met a Brasileira who rushed thru a BJ. I've always gotten amazing BJs in Brazil and other than one exception the ones in Colombia were meh in comparison. Again. Only my experience.

Having been to both I would not generally go back to Colombia vs Brasil.

I think you said it perfectly amigo.

[Eszpresszo]

There is no single answer. I think you should go to both to decide. I will put it this way.

If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo.

If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better.

For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio.

As someone who is in Brazil at this moment on my 7th visit, I can honestly say EVERYTHING you have posted here is so wrong. I will address your statements individually.

"If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo. ".

If you have a large budget, why would you even want to stay in Sao Paulo? If you have the money to travel, then flying out of SP is the best use of your funds.

"If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo. ".

That statement tells me all we need to know about your experience in Sao Paulo. Specifically, its obvious to me that you have never been there. SP is a large, nasty, filthy, dangerous and ugly place. Really. It has the highest costs for everything and an overflowing population of homeless that shit on the sidewalks. SP is the only place where I have had to use the flashlight on my cellphone at night to ensure I wasn't stepping in human shit, because the neighborhood was a habitat for the homeless. SP has virtually no colonial buildings, just lots of ugly architecture in 15 shades of grey. It is the drabbest city in Brazil. And no, it has no mountains, no beaches, no ranges of lovely green hills. So, how can it have the best of everything? What it does have is the worst, most unpredictible weather in Brazil, going from extreme heat to chilly weather within a week. The rain has already ruined two days of Carnaval this year. And when it rains, it can rain for weeks and make the experience miserable. Then you will be at the airport with a ticket up north. And then there is that random downpour which leaves you drenched on the street, which I experienced today. In my experience, SP has the worst climate in the world. And then there is traffic and pollution. But, don't get me started on that. The only thing I like about SP is that it is home to Brazil's most ecletic and edgy music. Lots of good concerts here. Culturally, it is actually a bit lacking as there isn't a real Cultura Paulistana whereas the rest of the country as its unique cultural characteristics. So, if you have money, you'd be a fool not to catch a flight out of Sao Paulo. Brazil is an extremely rich and diverse nation. The punting just happens to be exceptional, as well.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

Wrong! Rio is still expensive. BTW, you actually stated that you thought SP was actually cheaper. But seriously, if you have a minimum budget, catch a bus out of SP into any other nearby cities. Any Brazilian will tell you that Rio and SP are far more expensive than other cities. I indicate SP as 90% of all international flights arrive at GRU. Direct flights into Rio are limited and expensive. Cities like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Florianopolis are less expensive (though Floripa can be higher during the high season) in most aspects. Punting costs are around HALF the price. The local food is interesting in those places and the cities more tranquil, with few filthy, homeless agressively pestering you for money or sleeping on the sidewalk. I prefer the Northeast myself, though you will need to fly to those cities. The bus trip would be brutally long! The Northeast has many amazing, uncrowded beaches, as well as triving urban beaches. The Northeast will always be warm enough for swimming! Plus some cities like Joao Pessoa and Recife (along with its neighbor Olinda) have lots of colonial buildings. Forget Salvador, as it is a pricey, overrated, tourist destination and possibly the most dangerous city in Brazil. The Bahian food and beaches are excellent, but access to other cities outside of Salvador is time consuming and / or expensive.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

WRONG AGAIN. Both Rio and SP have a wide selection of woman of all shades. You would have a hard time going through all the morenas in either city during your visit. Perhaps the average population of Rio is darker, that doesn't indicate nor limit your choices by any means. If you only like morenas, I suggest Recife as the population is overwhelmingly on the darker side and its an amazing city. If you like brancas, the southernmost states are the place to go. If you like variety, SP has a significant number of Japanese mestizas and a small number of pure Japanese girls. The ethnic variety of women is the only thing that SP excels in.

"It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better. ".

Excuse me, but who actually wants to spend money for the sake of spending money? If you did, I would suggest Las Vegas as a better and more accessible option.

"For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio. ".

Sao Paulo is the commercial capital and has a lot of business travelers. Unlike tourists, they aren't paying the hotel bill. Business travelers have expense accounts, which makes for expensive hotels. Plus real estate in general is expensive in SP compared to the rest of the nation. SP is just expensive with little that justifies the tourist or the punter lingering there.

BTW I have attached my latest passport stamps.

[WonderWhy]

Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).

On a nice weather Sunday I go to Ibirapuera Park during the day, get some fresh coconut juice watch people, then go to Cesaro at night. Picked up one of my new favorites there on a slow night. Worked out great for both of us. Took her to my hotel and she stayed all night.

[HiddenEye]

Nice subject, south american butts. First of all, you must taste flesh from all countries, so going to Colombia and Brasil is a must.

And don't forget argentinians. They have a different vibe, but quality of talent is incredible.

A fellow ISG monger emailed me a few weeks ago asking for info about Argentina, and I told him that the sport there is Models only, and promotional models before pandemics. Not cheap to take the first bite, but once you have the contacts, flesh will not stop flowing.

Real argentinian models pictured by me on the three attached pics.

On the first composite, there are bikini contest winners and playboy models. As you may know, Buenos Aires was the city where Playboy Tv Latam was produced. The other two pics, a promo model who gave personal escort services after working hours. And the fourth pic, promotional models from car races as TC2000 (most of them escorts). There was a saying in the car races among the pilots and mechanics "la que no gatea, aquí no dura" (The girl who does not sexwork, doesn't last here).

Those asses are a crazy thing indeed, but as you mention: Brasil, Argentina and Colombia will always be in the top 3 countries.

[Nounce]

... it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US...

This is true if this is your criteria. I don't think you will go wrong either way assume you know what you are doing. I spent more than 100 days in Colombia before coming to Brazil. Both are excellent.

[Steve 9696]

Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/

I have been to both (and most everywhere else) and here are some facts. And some opinions.

Fact: The Brasileira Bunda (butt) is a real thing. Pretty face. Tiny waist and a bubble butt like no other. It's not fat. It's not muscle bound. It's simply amazing. Not all brasilian girls have it of course. Depends on their genetic line. But when you find it you will be amazed. You will not generally find this in Colombia. The BB is unique and amazing. And I'm not an ass man but was still in awe. I mean it.

Opinion widely held that Briazilian girls provide more IOP (illusion of passion) and DFK and general GFE than anywhere else. I happen to agree with this. I believe a large majority of Brasileiras you will meet at a Boate really bring it in the room and either want to be there or will make us believe they do.

Opinion mine. My experience in Colombia was that most of the girls consider BBBJ to be something you do a bit of before sex. Whereas Brasileiras tend to be more orally fixated and provide amazing kissing snd BBBJ in equal measure to regular sex. I haven't yet met a Brasileira who rushed thru a BJ. I've always gotten amazing BJs in Brazil and other than one exception the ones in Colombia were meh in comparison. Again. Only my experience.

Having been to both I would not generally go back to Colombia vs Brasil.

[SoberHans69]

I also found very edifying video on youtube:

https://youtu.be/mfn0C7c3x8I

So the jury is still out.

Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to not try Brazil, so don't go. Colombia is decent but nowhere near as good as Brazil. Everyone I've met who have tried both, prefer Brazil, including all of the posters who replied to you below.

The only thing different in Medellin is the Facebook scene, which you may prefer but I find ordering girls online boring.

Regarding the friendliness of the people, I found both friendly but prefer the Brazilians as they seem more outgoing up for a good time.

It might help if you tell us what kind of mongering are you looking for? Do you want to find girls online, street walkers, girls in brothels (casas and prives in Colombia and Brazil respectively), in bars / clubs or in strip clubs / termas?

[BigButtDetecto]

I also found very edifying video on youtube:

https://youtu.be/mfn0C7c3x8I

So the jury is still out.