Sao Paulo Reports

[Fewdie]

If they see you're a gringo in Asia and buying street food. They will jack up the price 2 x.

I'm just letting you know you can get price X. Keep paying that 2 x price. Keep exchanging your money at the airport that gives you only 80% of the market value compared to doing it elsewhere. I'm moving on. Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).

[The Cane]

The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.

Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value". People find and attach different values to the same things all the time, depending on all kind of factors, some of those unique and intrinsic to them alone as people. And sometimes through an experience, the value that they decide to assign to a particular good or service can change based on said experience (the point of me telling how my views on what I am willing to pay for air travel changed). Given this reality about life and living, the central point is that it makes zero sense to come in here and chide people about ever paying more than 500 reals for the services of a prostitute in Brazil. It's like saying never pay this much for a car, this much for a haircut, this much for a house, this much for a meal, this much for a plane ticket, and blah, blah, blah. Maybe 500 reals max is the amount that Mr. Fewdie wants to attach to the services of a prostitute, but as you can see from the many responses his post has generated, other people have other ideas and considerations about how to value a prostitute's services, just as happens with any other type of good or service.

Mr. Fewdie has his max expenditure on a tute (and a house and a car and a haircut and whatever else I assume). And I (and indeed all of us) have mine. And his coming here criticizing what guys pay won't be changing anything. It never does, and usually only results in discord. That's why I rarely ever talk specifically about what I paid, unless it's based off of posted house prices and / or a well-established "going rate" that most seasoned mongers who partake in a specific market know about. Otherwise, I think it's best to just not bring up price. A monger is going to pay what a monger wants to pay based on how he assigns value to that pussy. Look at a guy like Mr. Enternational. He will say things like "there is no going rate". Well sometimes that's just not true. It's just that he refuses to recognize what the going rate is LOL! But that's just him exercising his prerogative to assign value to the pussy how he sees it, which is a right that ultimately belongs to each and every one of us as participants in the P4P hobby.

[Nounce]

...The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do....

The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.

Do all girls working in Scandallo automatically become BMW? I think not.

Years ago I was in the freelancer spot Thermae in Bangkok. Almost all girls charged the same price. I asked a girl that didn't attract any interest which would she choose if Toyota and BWM were the same price?

I have decided that next time I visit Scandallo, I am going to get a BWM if I can find one. I absolutely do not plan to get a Corolla from that place. I am not going to eat a Big Mac in Scandallo.

[Bearsi]

To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post

I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.

It varies of course!

Scandallo and other boates where you have to negotiate can range from 500-1000 1 HR.

You can easily get girls all around SP or Brazil for that matter at 500 or less.

I actually like the clinicas in the daytime since they can be had for 250 or so.

I've paid girls 500 in scandallo and online girls.

I've paid some 800.

I've paid some girls at 300.

I've done pernoites at 1000.

There really is no set price.

That's sort of the point With my point about the restaurants. You can go around 5 different ones and they'll each have varying prices from $ to $$$$

With OP stating that the non sucker price is 500 or less is again equating to McDonald's because it ain't the worst thing in the world, it's consistent and the value is usually the best wherever you go but it ain't going to knock your socks.

I just can't fathom the idea that I see a girl that looks like a porn star / model / actress that I would love to bang and turn her away because she wanted 700 instead of 500.

Like LOL no sorry I'm not paying gringo prices.

I only paid for my round trip ticket that took 9 hours plus my hotel room for X amount of days plus my food and Uber costs but I'm not paying an extra 200 reais more because otherwise local Brazilians and people online will think I'm a sucker.

I thought the whole point of coming to Brazil is to bang beautiful girls of our dreams that also provide the best service there is.

I understand locals not wanting to pay more than a certain amount.

They make less and know the hidden gems and can easily make do.

OP is not a local nor is he living in Brazil like vagabundo so shackling himself to local prices doesn't make sense.

Just to put it in perspective.

In Las Vegas there are brothels that charge clients $5000-10000 USD for a few hours in their themed rooms with a fetish girl all covered.

In SP you can easily find a nympho that will let you BBFSCIP in one of the many themes love motels and let you record it for like 1000-2000 brl all in which is like $200-400 USD.

You're already saving money by being in Brazil.

You're at the peak of value meets quality.

Live at little for goodness sake's.

To each their own but capping yourself at 500 is just bewildering when you have come all this way.

You don't have to pay a high amount but for all the new guys just be flexible.

It's your time, your money, your dick and your life to live and you only get one.

[Nounce]

If there is such a thing, LOL.

The online rate for a good looking girl usually starts at 600 BRL. Based on that, it is fair from my view to think an attractive girl can ask for 600 BRL in Scandallo. In addition to that, a girl has to pay a fee to get in the club, so 800 BRL is not an unreasonable price to pay for a hot girl. That was the exact price one of the hottest girls I met in Scandallo charged online and in the club. I posted her picture before and I saw her go to the room multiple times with limited service. I remember her name is Naomi.

Logically speaking, when someone tells me that I can see 20 or 30 9's and 10's on the right nights, I think I would at least see a few when I went on the wrong nights. But I didn't, that tells me the poster has a different taste than me, it's a YMMV situation. If someone tells me a girl is 10, I am unlikely to argue with him, but it helps me interpret what the person is saying.

[Nounce]

L... which is a shame because I'm very much in the mood for a strip club. I might make my way to Cocodrilo as it was apparently once a hotspot and I'm curious, though I have an early appointment so 50/50 on that...

Cocodrilo is much cheaper. It is like Connection relative to Scandallo (D'Lirio). Just keep in mind that it doesn't really get going until after 12 when upstairs open. I was in BA not that long ago.

[Nounce]

... that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!....

To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post

I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.

[Anaggie]

It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!

So fucking true! I had friends who follow this concept and it boggles my mind.

I just came from a vacation in Cancun and it is utter monger hell. Worse than my town in the USA. I knew that Cancun isn't the place to monger before I went but I was bored and decided to try my luck. The girls charge outrageous prices and the experience is terrible. I used SA and tried two different girls. Both serious letdowns. Brazil is the place to be and I will happily spend what I feel comfortable spending to get the type of service I am looking for.

Even my experiences in Dubai in March was nothing compared to the service of the Brazilians.

Can't wait for my next trip in September.

[Bearsi]

It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.

Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!

You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.

I really don't understand some of you guys.

I've met some forum posters out on the field who make over $150 k+ a year and balk at the idea of paying a girl anything over 500 BRL otherwise they were the ones getting fucked.

I understand guys like Vagabundo who actually lives in Brazil, he has to pace himself and get the best ROI since he has the time.

But I met guys who flew into Brazil from Europe or the US for a week or so and they were appalled at paying a girl's reasonable rate like it had GBP symbol next to it.

I'm not one of those liquid rich americans but I understand the value of a good experience above anything else.

I've been to Montreal with their robust agencies like XO and Euphoria, Berlin with their World Class FKK and Brothels, Barcelona with their High End brothels like La Suite and Felina along with various agencies like Apricots, Eden53, LePrivee, Vecinitas.

All top destinations for a good time besides asia (I'm not really into asian girls myself so haven't done that route).

I've had really good experiences in all those places but with Brazil it's a whole different adventure.

I would say if I averaged out the price I paid at those 3 destinations it would be like $175 for 1 HR.

In Brazil for 1000 BRL or $200 you can get a girl for a pernoite or multiple hours and do all kinds of kinky shit like getting a BJ at a movie theater or fucking at the beach.

You really get the best ROI by a mile.

Your money goes a long way in terms of both currency exchange and experience and one should take advantage of this. Brazil won't be the land of milk and honey forever. It will go sour and dry up one of these days so why not take part of it's sweetest nectar while you can.

It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!

I know what I like and if I see a bryce dallas howard or zazie beetz look a like I'm going in over 500 if I have to. There is such a thing as spending too much we can all agree but to cap yourself at 500 is quite limiting what potential could be had.

Alot of guys here write and act as if they know for sure that they are going to wake up the next morning or take their saving into the afterlife.

Do what you makes you happy and as you please by all means. That's just my 2 cents. YMMV.

"I know when the bell tolls for me I'll be pleased with the knowledge that I saved a few dollars instead of feeling that euphoria that all men search for".

- no one.

[JZeleznik]

I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:

If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
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Last post about BA from me, but the random tidbits in this thread helped salvage my trip so I wanted to share what I can and repay the favor.

Going off of the suggestions here I tried a few girls off of the bairesgirls site. I was able to find some information in Spanish to cross reference a few of them, and setup some appointments. When you text one of these girls they have a generic message they send outlining the details of their service. You let them know if you want a half hour or an hour, when, and then set a date. The first girl I saw definitely hit me with a gringo tax, likely from seeing my US number, but even so it came out to $50 for an hour with anal included so I didn't want to argue it. The next three were cheaper, and it seems 10,000 pesos is the standard for an hour. That works out to about $35 at current Western Union rates. In terms of looks I'm very particular, but all of the girls I saw were good looking and matched their photos. I've used agencies before, but never individual online ads so that was a pleasant surprise. In terms of service, while none were outright bad I found I was really getting see+ effort. Only one was something I'd consider repeating. In terms of service it offered no competition to Brazil.

I was pretty spent today as I'm now trying to fit a weeks worth of hobbying into 2. 5 days, but I just paid a visit to the'Lirio for research purposes. The doorman tells me its 2,000 for a table or 3,000 for a booth with some portion being consumable. My Spanish isn't great and I was struggling with the details, so he walked me into the club to speak to someone else. I go to pay him the 3,000 only to find out he said 30,000 and 20,000 respectively. Again at Western Union rates, that's $102 or $68 for entry, or 2-3 hours with a good looking online girl. Having gotten a glimpse at the 20 ish girls working, and only a glimpse because it was the darkest club I've ever been in, I decided it wasn't even worth my time to stay and hear what kind of prices the girls would quote me. After declining both entry fees I was also offered a bar option for 10,000 pesos, but again from what I could tell the talent present didn't justify even that. Given the entry fee, I couldn't imagine the girls would be asking for less than $100 US. In terms of other venues I really can't find anything concrete online, which is a shame because I'm very much in the mood for a strip club. I might make my way to Cocodrilo as it was apparently once a hotspot and I'm curious, though I have an early appointment so 50/50 on that.

Western Union is absolutely the best rate to change money. Currently they will give you 322 pesos per dollar, whereas a local shop will offer you somewhere around 300 pesos per dollar, and really only for crisp $100's. $50's they tend to offer a few pesos less. The downside is almost every Western Union will ask how much you're trying to pick up, and then tell you they don't have the money. For my first transfer I only tried to get $500 worth, and literally only one shop in the city that I could find had the cash for even that small amount. The wait time was several hours in line, but unfortunately because I arrived via Brazil I had almost $0 as I would just hit up the ATM every other day. In my opinion, the "best" option is to bring stacks of $100's, find a shop that offers a fair rate, and change them as needed.

Never ever pay for anything with a credit card. Currently the official rate is 130 pesos per dollar, and that's what any credit card transaction will use. Paying in pesos Argentina is reasonably cheap, paying with a credit card prices are more expensive than in the US. That also means you'll be overpaying for your hotel. I stayed in a five star hotel and it cost me just shy of $600 per night. The nice restaurants definitely accept pesos. I was not asked for dollars anywhere, and I didn't offer.

It took me roughly five days to get settled in in BA. Today was not bad, and if I had another week I think it would be a decent time. A third week would probably be disappointing, as the talent pool is a bit on the small side. Argentinian women are exactly my type, and walking the city I saw the two best looking women I've ever seen in person. People talk about 10's a lot, and I've seen plenty of 8's and 9's with stellar makeup, but I've never actually seen a genuine 10 in person before visiting Argentina. Here I saw one just out in the wild acting like regular people. With that said, given all of the hurdles and apparent lack of options, I couldn't recommend it as long as Brazil is on the table. Hope that helps!

[HiddenEye]

As I mentioned in previous post about Argentina, pandemics has changed the scene up side down, and unfortunate economic measures are ruining the currency adn people's sallaries.

I have great contacts among visual producers en Argentina as you can see, but I'll post that information in the Argentina zone of ISG, so we don't mess this great Sao Paulo posts, and we throtle that area that diserves a deeper view.

There are super hot argies.

Important to mention that guys on the pics are both visual producers.

Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.

BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).

However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.

There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.

[Fewdie]

It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.

Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!

You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.

Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?

If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:

1) That's what all the locals pay.

2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.

3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.

4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.

5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".

Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.

I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.

1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.

If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.

I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.

2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.

3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.

4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!

5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.

With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?

YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.

My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.

Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:

1) The girl likes you a lot.

2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).

3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.

4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.

5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.

In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!

As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.

[Tochka]

Thanks all you guys for the protip. I got in the wassap list to see daily lineup at Miruna, Prime, and EnjoySpa to schedule of garotas photos, and names. At Prime, the brunette did not return change twice. By the third session, I got the change back. She warmed up a bit. I started to tip small amounts to the cleaning ladies. They deal with the dirty mess after sloppy sessions. We got into humorous conversations about cleaning the rooms in a Clinica. That helped with better service from the brunette. She told me her name. I forgot to make a note of it. The clinicas have an interesting culture of hanging around until the Garota you want is available. Other posters mentioned the same.

That reminds me of GBP casa in DR. Hanging around shooting the shit with the staff. I found it worth the wait sometimes. Because every Garota I repeated with two or more sessions had one sexy thing in common. BBBJDT licking balls and swallowing. No spitting out. The first time it happened expected the Garota to spit out the cum into the towel. Nope, she downed it all, swallowing with a smile. Damn. Another Garota from 57 did cumplay before swallowing. The knees buckled watching a pretty Meghan Markel Garota play with cum before swallowing it all down. Not a drop was missed. And didn't ask for propina. I gave small tip anyways. Next on the bucket list, is a Duplo with cum snowballing by two garotas. They cuming by uber now.

[Nordico]

With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?

YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.

Those are prices the locals pay at Casarao. I checked the last few pages on the local forum and most guys paid 350-500 for an hour there, with few exceptions who had paid 300. Scandallo is more expensive than Casarao.

[Nounce]

...It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?.

I think for a 2-3 day side trip, the club called D'Lirio by the cemetery would work for you. I have sessioned in various places, from the very low end to higher price. I think on average the service is limited in P4 P. Even Colombia can't match Brazil service wise.

I have looked at SA and contacted some a few years back. It didn't work for me and probably because I didn't spend enough time on it. I only looked at new profiles. There are some activities but I felt it was limited.

My guess is most hotels are girl friendly because there is not much mongering going on. You can ask the hotel before booking. I only had two girls coming to my hotel, always after 10 PM, and they were never bothered except they were asked to present IDs sometimes. The girls that visited me also didn't dress provocatively like you would often see in Medellin.

The easier route is to have USDs and exchange to local currency in downtown Florida street. You can't miss it because they will approach you as you walk down the street. You can compare rate from multiple street vendors that approach you to get a fair rate in that area. It's not the best rate but it's good for a small amount if you don't want to keep too much local currency with you.

The city's infrastructure is old, a lot of things are broken. I like the food and steak here more than Brazil. Most restaurants are old school in old buildings. There are many speakeasy style bars that are interesting to me. These bars are similar to Bar dos Arcos in SP but with much older interior. Puerto Maduro area has newer and nicer restaurants that are similar to places like Seen or Skye in SP ambience wise.

I already have a flight booked to BA later. That is how much I like the city.