Sao Paulo Reports

[Axel Heyst]

I appreciate the feedback and advice and hear the criticism. To be fair though, I am working my way through the forum. Somewhere between the three pages of cell-phone provider chat and the conversations about Thailand, I just figured I'd write down some questions.

I actually came to the same conclusion and started putting together my own Google Map! It's slow going, but I'm getting a picture of the area now.

At the moment, I'm thinking of aiming for visits to Abbobora, Prime and Palms, and then depending on my work dinners, a visit to Scandallo for certain, and possibly either Casarao or Bomboa.

I apologize GR if my post came down too hard on you. But just mentioning "strip clubs" in the same paragraph as SP Boates is like pouring nitro glycerin on a barbeque. It sets me on fire. KKK.

There are many outstanding 5-star Steak and Japanese Sushi restaurants in SP. The restaurants in Scandallo and Bomboa cannot match these culinary gems, but the food in these 2 boates is very good nonetheless and you should not hesitate in trying them out especially if you decide to hang around after your 1st session and possibly go a 2nd round with a different girl afterwards.

Your tentative plan sounds like a good starting point, but like I said, all plans go out the window once a trip begins in earnest.

Might throw Cafe Photo in the mix tho I have not been. They have on-site rooms now.

P.S. Casarao and Bomboa are both worthy but totally different. Casarao is a packed narrow bar with two floors. Pretty mixed clientele TBH because it's reasonably priced. Bomboa is like a high end supper club. Both good in different ways.

Hey Steve, all the SP Boates have unique ambiences and are very different from one another. Casarao, in particular, is the most un-boate like boate in SP. It operates more like a fast track pick up bar. There is no point in hanging around there after you have found a girl. Just take her to your bed and have fun. I like it occasionally because it is a raw slice of Sao Paulo FL and very inexpensive.

Scandallo, on the other hand, is the high-end class joint of the city with the most honest to goodness lookers and the sexiest tier 2 girl next door types. I love it and I like hanging out there all night. I know you do too. KKK. Bomboa is my 2nd favorite boate and you are absolutely right; it feels like a high-end supper club with friendly and experienced tier 2 type girls (very few tier 1's however) and the wait staff is exemplary.

But you can call me crazy if you want, but I am not a big fan of Cafe Photo. Although they do have a few pretty girls, their initial asking price is higher than comparable quality girls in Scandallo and I do not like the "no approach the customer" rules in this club. Nearby Bahamas is a lot more fun IMHO although on average their girls might not be quite as attractive, they are certainly cheaper. KKK.

[GattoRojo]

Just know that the action starts around 11 so it shouldn't interfere with work dinner. Just power thru till 4 or 5 AM.

Thanks! 11 pm, eh? I mean, I can swing it, I suppose. I'm not usually a super late-night guy, but on work trips, I am often out until 2 or 3, plus I will have the time zone difference working in my favor. Is that just the boates? I was kind of thinking I'd hit up clinicas in the day-time and then aim for the higher-end experience after dinner.

Cafe Photo is on the "I need to learn more" list.

[Steve 9696]

I appreciate the feedback and advice and hear the criticism. To be fair though, I am working my way through the forum. Somewhere between the three pages of cell-phone provider chat and the conversations about Thailand, I just figured I'd write down some questions.

I actually came to the same conclusion and started putting together my own Google Map! It's slow going, but I'm getting a picture of the area now.

I only listed the places I've been to give context that I'm not a full on noob, just new to Brazil. I very much hope that the experiences in Brazil are as different and as varied as I've been able to experience in other places, and come to the forums here to avoid the same-old traps / bad experiences that are everywhere and typically target gringo tourists. I've tried to wing it some places, only to end up getting hit up for tips by a geriatric mamasan. I'll see if I can find your restaurant reviews!

At the moment, I'm thinking of aiming for visits to Abbobora, Prime and Palms, and then depending on my work dinners, a visit to Scandallo for certain, and possibly either Casarao or Bomboa.

Beyond that, I'm mostly going to either be at work, or wandering the Feria Livres in pursuit of Coxhinas.

Your plan seems on point to me. Might throw Cafe Photo in the mix tho I have not been. They have on-site rooms now.

Just know that the action starts around 11 so it shouldn't interfere with work dinner. Just power thru till 4 or 5 AM. Catch a couple hours. Rinse repeat!

P.S. Casarao and Bomboa are both worthy but totally different. Casarao is a packed narrow bar with two floors. Pretty mixed clientele TBH because it's reasonably priced. Bomboa is like a high end supper club. Both good in different ways.

[GattoRojo]

1) I envy you your first afternoon roaming around Moema and your first couple of nights in the Boates. Remember this: all the plans you may have made prior to arrival will go out the window after your first afternoon and your first night on the town. 7 nights or whatever the duration of your 1st trip will only whet your appetite for more adventures to come.

I appreciate the feedback and advice and hear the criticism. To be fair though, I am working my way through the forum. Somewhere between the three pages of cell-phone provider chat and the conversations about Thailand, I just figured I'd write down some questions.

I actually came to the same conclusion and started putting together my own Google Map! It's slow going, but I'm getting a picture of the area now.

I only listed the places I've been to give context that I'm not a full on noob, just new to Brazil. I very much hope that the experiences in Brazil are as different and as varied as I've been able to experience in other places, and come to the forums here to avoid the same-old traps / bad experiences that are everywhere and typically target gringo tourists. I've tried to wing it some places, only to end up getting hit up for tips by a geriatric mamasan. I'll see if I can find your restaurant reviews!

At the moment, I'm thinking of aiming for visits to Abbobora, Prime and Palms, and then depending on my work dinners, a visit to Scandallo for certain, and possibly either Casarao or Bomboa.

Beyond that, I'm mostly going to either be at work, or wandering the Feria Livres in pursuit of Coxhinas.

[CCRider1008]

Do providers in SP or Rio provide BBFS (clubs or freelancers)? Can this be negotiated and what is the extra cost.

[Nounce]

This is subjective, probably due to the date being overnight, but why would you goto a foreign country and pay what's equivalent to $300, or even consider $600 USD for one girl?

For the women you were referring to would you honestly say they're not 9's, but 10's and would service you uncovered with GFE?

Considering traveling here. Compared to the rates of 20 to 80 USD per girl in Colombia, what's the average here, or max to consider those girls who think theyre high end?

You are making the wrong comparison. You can get cheaper price too, just not at Scandallo. You can't find anything remotely close to Scandallo in Colombia. The more expensive places in Colombia actually have reduced service. You maybe wasting money there even if it is cheaper.

[Robotron]

Long time forum member but this is my first post. Finally made my time to Sao Paulo. Last night I went to Scandallo, absolutely the best place I have ever been to. I understand most of the girls would settle for 1000 r for going upstairs. What about the overnight pricing? I asked a few and get quoted 3 k - 4 k real, is this normal? I did bargaining with one girl I really liked but she would not drop her price below 2800, I remember there was one forum member mentioned somewhere 2 k - 2. 5 k for overtnight. Just want to have some feedback.

This is subjective, probably due to the date being overnight, but why would you goto a foreign country and pay what's equivalent to $300, or even consider $600 USD for one girl?

For the women you were referring to would you honestly say they're not 9's, but 10's and would service you uncovered with GFE?

Considering traveling here. Compared to the rates of 20 to 80 USD per girl in Colombia, what's the average here, or max to consider those girls who think theyre high end?

[Axel Heyst]

Do people actually eat at Boates, and is the quality decent / prices ok.

I'll be there for seven days, so plenty of time to explore.

Is there a resource for finding clinicas? I saw a map listed on another forum, but it was behind a paywall and it wasn't clear how current it would be. I have the names of a few gathered from this forum (Palms, Abobora, etc.)

1) Why don't you RTFF and take note of some of the joints that receive positive reports? Then google the fucking name. Example: Abboboro, Sao Paulo. If you are really feeling industrious, you can make your own Google map.

2) There are many reports on this forum about Boate restaurants. I know because I have written a few of them.

3 a) I am tired of newbie trial ballon comparisons between Boates they know nothing about and (pick one) USA strip clubs, German FKK's, or any other fuck palace somewhere else. This is Brazil. I guarantee you things here are not like the USA or Germany or Thailand, or Mexico. So stop making comparisons to make yourself feel comfortable. Just jump into the pool headfirst. The water is fine.

3 b) Yes; explore, explore, explore SP. That is the only way to find out what you are really looking for and what you like. The search is part of the fun. I am still searching and looking and I just wrapped up approximately 250 days cumulatively speaking in Brazil spread over 6 trips. I envy you your first afternoon roaming around Moema and your first couple of nights in the Boates. Remember this: all the plans you may have made prior to arrival will go out the window after your first afternoon and your first night on the town. 7 nights or whatever the duration of your 1st trip will only whet your appetite for more adventures to come.

4) Dress Code? Ha Ha. SP is all about the weather. If it is warm out, a clean nice-looking t-shirt, jeans, and running shoes are fine, but it can get chilly at night, so pack a good fall jacket in your suitcase just in case. No boate girl will look down on you for wearing a sporty shirt with a collar. Being in shape and having good hygiene is far more important than what you wear.

[TomsDucati]

I'll be in Sao Paulo Feb 20-24. Send me a pm and we can meet at one of the boates.

I am heading to SP mid February (after Carnival) and have been doing a lot of reading here on the various entertainment I can explore while there. This is a super long post. Sorry about that.

For context, I am a middle-aged American gringo. I have never been to Brazil and only have basic polite phrases in Portuguese, but can manage in French / Spanish.

I've hobbied in the US, UK, Germany, France, Poland, and Japan. I appreciate the various cultures of service. I hate the American style AMP, really like Artemis FKK, and also dug the BJ-only bars I found in Tokyo.

It sounds like the two main types of hobbying in Brazil are Clinicas and Clubs. I prefer an incall situation, so that's great for me.

As I plan my trip, I have a couple of questions:

Where to stay?

I assume the balance of my adventures will be 60/40 clinicas / clubs due to cost. Is there an neighborhood or area that makes sense to stay to reduce the Uber cost?

Dress Code?

I am pretty casual. I won't be bringing dress clothes. I assume that's not a problem in the clinicas, but maybe I will feel out of place in clubs?

Massage?

Honestly, I would almost always prefer a great massage + happy ending over a mediocre full service session. It sounds to me like the culture in Brazil emphasizes the "Illusion of Passion" so maybe full service will be the thing, but I really don't want to go somewhere expecting a good massage only to get a US-style "rub-and-tug". Are there places that are better suited for a real massage+?

Fake asses.

I. am not into this, but from the few escort pages I have looked at. There seem to be a LOT of surgically enhanced asses. Can someone explain the appeal?

Pricing.

So, it sounds like the clubs charge a cover charge that is inclusive of a few drinks. But while 300 brl seems fine. Do they tell you how much things cost, or do you just have to wing it and hope you are covered or have enough remaining cash when you leave? As for play pricing. It sounds like I should expect club girls to quote me as high as 2500 brl, but even in the high end places, the most I should pay is 1000 brl, and then only for a top tier girl. I am fine saying no to girls. I am so used to the US strip club hustle. What is standard pricing at clinicas?

Duration?

At the clubs, is it per pop or by time? Most scenes I have explored seem to be very focused on rapid turnover (which I get as a business model), but some places in Japan and the UK have a more time-focused approach which means multiple pops are available and also you don't feel like your partner is rushing you. I like a good long BJ / HJ, and hate it when a girl just starts cranking away for the pop instead of focusing on the tease / build up.

Post-op Trans?

I have never been somewhere where this is a thing, but it seems to be mentioned enough in Brazil discussions that I feel like I should be better educated. Do Clinicas / clubs employ post-op providers identifying as female without disclosing it? Or is that something that people seek out? No judgement on my part, but I would rather know and not feel duped or put in an awkward spot.

Any other advice is much appreciated. I plan on taking out cash in-country for the best exchange rate. I am a big guy, but would rather avoid conflict, so if there are areas to avoid or classic scams (like the touts in Tokyo who try to lure you into places) that would be great to know too.

Thanks to everyone for this great community!

[Nounce]

Sorry I should have clarified that I meant: in the Clinicas and Boates, I don't see locals wearing shorts and sandals too much, so from a visitor dress code perspective, jeans and T is probably a bit less of an out of place look.

I am not trying to debate this. It's to share one's perspective and the members should take all posts into account to get a better picture.

I saw many locals wearing shorts in Tangara. I think I have only been to Tangara once last year and once this year. I wear shorts all the time. The only place that I don't wear shorts is Scandallo but I have seen local Asians wearing shorts and sandals there.

[GattoRojo]

Sorry I should have clarified that I meant: in the Clinicas and Boates, I don't see locals wearing shorts and sandals too much, so from a visitor dress code perspective, jeans and T is probably a bit less of an out of place look.

Thanks! I'm not really a shorts-wearing kind of guy. More jeans and a polo. But if I am going to London or Paris, I know I need to up the game a little with a blazer / overcoat. That's mostly what I was hoping to clarify.

As for the boates. I see that they offer dinners / food. There are strip clubs in the US that also offer food, and it's legitimately one of the grossest things I can think of. Similarly, Artemis in Berlin technically has food as part of your entry fee, but it's. Not good. Do people actually eat at Boates, and is the quality decent / prices ok. Or is it more of a "we technically provide these things so that we are not a brothel" kind of thing? I'm still trying to understand the layout. Particularly as I will be going solo. Is it weird / expensive / advisable to show up at a Boate to have dinner? I'd assume it might be a little less pressure from girls to session with them if you have a plate of food in front of you.

Is there a resource for finding clinicas? I saw a map listed on another forum, but it was behind a paywall and it wasn't clear how current it would be. I have the names of a few gathered from this forum (Palms, Abobora, etc.)

I'll be there for seven days, so plenty of time to explore.

[Nebulousity]

I cut this from a picture that I took very recently. I think it depends on weather.

Sorry I should have clarified that I meant: in the Clinicas and Boates, I don't see locals wearing shorts and sandals too much, so from a visitor dress code perspective, jeans and T is probably a bit less of an out of place look.

[Nounce]

I cut this from a picture that I took very recently. I think it depends on weather.

[SoberHans69]

The Moema area is closest to the Clinicas discussed here. SP dress is somewhat like a large US city, locals don't wear shorts and sandals too much. City jeans / no logo T works in Clinicas and Boates. There are low, medium, and high end Clinicas discussed here, all with standardized pricing, ranging from $R150 or so for the low, $R300 for the mid $R800 for the high. The high ones are more likely to start with an OK massage. There are more natural options at all levels of Clinica, you just have to spidy sense it from a quick presentation or set of tablet photos. In almost all cases charge is by time.

Sorry but I have to disagree on the shorts part. I'm here now and loads of locals are wearing shorts (below middle aged people). That awful fashion of shorts and socks pulled up has made its way over here now.

[Nebulousity]

I am heading to SP mid February (after Carnival) and have been doing a lot of reading here on the various entertainment I can explore while there.

As I plan my trip, I have a couple of questions

The Moema area is closest to the Clinicas discussed here. SP dress is somewhat like a large US city, locals don't wear shorts and sandals too much. City jeans / no logo T works in Clinicas and Boates. There are low, medium, and high end Clinicas discussed here, all with standardized pricing, ranging from $R150 or so for the low, $R300 for the mid $R800 for the high. The high ones are more likely to start with an OK massage. There are more natural options at all levels of Clinica, you just have to spidy sense it from a quick presentation or set of tablet photos. In almost all cases charge is by time.