Sao Paulo Reports

[Vagabundo1]

With all respect, Senor Anaggie, according to your own reports, you've paid 3200 reais for 4 girls in 8 hours at 4 x4, you've paid a girl 2000 reais per night (gave her a iphone which cost 800 USD in the states for 2 nights) to take her to buzios, not counting the cost of lodging. I list the places I go very often in both SP and RJ -- the tier 1 clinicas and prives, which are 250 meters from 4 x4, and the cost is 150 r per hour or 250 per hour in RJ. It's easy to find the list of the prives / clinicas from my reports, or you can go to gparena.net and click on prives. I'm doing the same girls from 4 x4 and tier 1 termas, but I never pay more than 500 are a night, and some of them I do for 25 pernoites for months, basically because I live here, and I don't session in the termas, rather I just get them back to my place.

A very large percentage of the girls in 4 x4 are from favelas, and a large number of the girls from tier 1 termas go to Mosaico, ie, Vila Mimosa, at midnight if they haven't made enough money, and their cost per fuck goes down by half (from 400 per hour to 200 per hour). Even the girls from out of town, like Penelope, who work at 4 x4 end up going into favelas to socialize. Moreover, Copacabana, where most mongers stay, is so dangerous because it is in a favela or many of them.

There is a saying and maybe you have heard it. "don't compare apples to oranges". Paying for low class favela girls who can barely afford to feed themselves once a day is completely different than girls who have the cash to buy food and pay for an apartment in SP. So, if one lives in Brazil and fucks the favela girls. Good for him. If a monger comes to town and fucks the top end Scandello girls and pays 2 k per night (which BTW I have never done) . Good for him. It is the CHOICE of the person with the cash in hand. Neither is better or worse.

I will tell you what. Next time I am in town, we will set up a tour of the places you go to to see what I can find. I won't go to 4 x4, and I will meet you at whatever place you frequent and see what plays out. I will also wear normal clothes while you dress like a "Brazilian" and let's see if I get robbed or attacked.

[Anaggie]

To the list, I would add.

The bombeiro shorts, which internash also got. They are super comfortable. And a bombeiro civil badge on a chain.

Even the least threatening ISGer I know here carries a blade. I would just suggest finding a good place to have it sharpened.

There's a logical list of escalation of force, all for defense.

A camera -- most criminals will go the other direction when photographed.

A smart phone to call uber, and the cops (190 in Rio, 192 for emergency medical, 193 for bombeiro). Knowing the numbers of local and your home company law enforcement who carry guns. Talking to your wingmen, even if only briefly -- if we run into a problem, call uber.

A flashlight.

The taser in the flashlight.

Leather gloves ($25 reais at casa de bombeiro).

I have been out with other ISGers with extensive MMA credentials who are victims of having their cell phones stolen at gunpoint in SP (not something I have heard of in RJ). While I respect your view, I am just saying that in the 6 seconds it takes for that thief coming down a business avenue in SP to decide to strike or not to strike, he can be persuaded to pick the next victim if you're wearing a Brazilian bombeiro shorts and a vasco / palmeiras Jersey, and a Brazilian lifeguard cap. I may or may not be right, and I haven't kept track of the attackers who have moved on and not attacked me because I had some Brazilian cloths on. Lastly, I live here, and am not just in for 3 days.

Knives are a interesting topic. I make it part of my boxing training a few times a week to hold the blade correctly, to adjust the lanyard so it fits around the leather gloves, etc. Most mongers are not trained, and do not train, just as most come in for short periods.

If you're paying 2000 reais a night for girls on short trips, there is no point in robbing you; quite the contrary, its better to just let you rob yourself kkk.

There is a saying and maybe you have heard it. "don't compare apples to oranges". Paying for low class favela girls who can barely afford to feed themselves once a day is completely different than girls who have the cash to buy food and pay for an apartment in SP. So, if one lives in Brazil and fucks the favela girls. Good for him. If a monger comes to town and fucks the top end Scandello girls and pays 2 k per night (which BTW I have never done) . Good for him. It is the CHOICE of the person with the cash in hand. Neither is better or worse.

I will tell you what. Next time I am in town, we will set up a tour of the places you go to to see what I can find. I won't go to 4 x4, and I will meet you at whatever place you frequent and see what plays out. I will also wear normal clothes while you dress like a "Brazilian" and let's see if I get robbed or attacked.

[Vagabundo1]

To the list, I would add.

The bombeiro shorts, which internash also got. They are super comfortable. And a bombeiro civil badge on a chain.

Even the least threatening ISGer I know here carries a blade. I would just suggest finding a good place to have it sharpened.

There's a logical list of escalation of force, all for defense.

A camera -- most criminals will go the other direction when photographed.

A smart phone to call uber, and the cops (190 in Rio, 192 for emergency medical, 193 for bombeiro). Knowing the numbers of local and your home company law enforcement who carry guns. Talking to your wingmen, even if only briefly -- if we run into a problem, call uber.

A flashlight.

The taser in the flashlight.

Leather gloves ($25 reais at casa de bombeiro).

I have been out with other ISGers with extensive MMA credentials who are victims of having their cell phones stolen at gunpoint in SP (not something I have heard of in RJ). While I respect your view, I am just saying that in the 6 seconds it takes for that thief coming down a business avenue in SP to decide to strike or not to strike, he can be persuaded to pick the next victim if you're wearing a Brazilian bombeiro shorts and a vasco / palmeiras Jersey, and a Brazilian lifeguard cap. I may or may not be right, and I haven't kept track of the attackers who have moved on and not attacked me because I had some Brazilian cloths on. Lastly, I live here, and am not just in for 3 days.

Knives are a interesting topic. I make it part of my boxing training a few times a week to hold the blade correctly, to adjust the lanyard so it fits around the leather gloves, etc. Most mongers are not trained, and do not train, just as most come in for short periods.

If you're paying 2000 reais a night for girls on short trips, there is no point in robbing you; quite the contrary, its better to just let you rob yourself kkk.

Exactly. This is how I dress whether I am in rio or in SP or anywhere else in the world. I don't feel the need to wear clothes to try to match the locals.

Please do not wear any MMA shirts or jiu jitsu shirts if you don't know or train those arts. Not only will someone try to test you and once they find out that you aren't in shape or know anything about fighting, they will take advantage. Take it from me. I laugh at those fat jokers who wear those shirts. I can tell within 5 secs by the way you walk and talk if you know anything about self defense. I have trained for over 12 years in close quarter combat martial arts and am a black belt in BJJ so I know how to avoid confrontation at all costs. Do not carry a knife with you unless you are trained in using it. The last thing you want is to have it taken away and used on you but the other guy..

[Lonster]

I really don't get what y'all are going on about wearing special clothes and being all scared in Sampa. I've been in Jabaquara to Santana and it's just fine.

Even I thought Santana was iffy, but it has a few addresses that kept coming up, some Dr. Cesar 209 and Henrique Bernadelli 119. Now I checked personally, and they are all in fine commercial neighborhoods. No worries. I can't even find Cesar 209 as these are all fine stores. And the Bernadelli 119 is a pretty nice looking Villa. I'm trying to muster some hornyness to actually go in and try them out for you, but I don't feel the need.

Earlier I got annoyed by another scam (like nothing really bad, just totally not what's advertized. Then another one, which I saved my time by telling the person per WhatsApp straight on that I walk out if it's not what's advertized, and that got me no response and then a block. So I knew.

Anyway, Bernadelli 119, I would go visit if I'm in the mood. And don't worry so much.

Was just checking Photoacom and one of the first girls ad was for Bernardelli 119, Juliana Sales is her post name.

She is a 9+, in my book anyway.

I highly doubt if I booked with her I would actually meet the girl in those photos there. Just too good to be true. But. I would really really love to live her, which makes me want to try even though I am pretty sure it's bait and switch. The mongers dilemma.

[Lonster]

When you go on Photoacompanhante and you look for Centro, Bela Vista, Republica and Higienopolis-Mackenzie, chances are more often than not the girl is in Rua Avanhandava 459. It's always like teeth pulling to get their actual address. The ads of these girls are enticing with lovely photos. The stupid web site might even say the photos are verified (useless idiots these people who run photoacompanhantes.com.br and photoprepagos. Co and sexoservidora. Mx.) But the truth is a different one. Last night I was looking frantically for a quick blowjob before bedtime while in centro. And all these lovely chicks advertise there. But something smelled fishy whenever they said they were at Rua Avanhandava 459. Some of their auto-greetings on whatsapp were even exactly the same.

I had a super session with lovely and friendly girl down in Jabaquara before noon, so I was in very good mood. Let me get that out of the way. I am so happy. That girl works in a pretty frequented establishment, but me going in the morning evaded the crowd and had a chance of getting her fresh, unused in the morning. I usually have more interaction on WhatsApp (for good reasons that become clear below) with her I didn't, simply because I really liked her physique in the pictures, and her ad seemed real, the text less boiler plate and more personal...

I had virtually the same experience with that same address. Classic bait and switch, completely diff girl. I did what you did, paid and left. I didn't blame the girl, she had no idea I was coming as we had never communicated. She is just there to service whomever arrives, and that service will be the bare min with zero skin to skin contact.

3 times after, "girls" gave me that address, when their ad had a different neighborhood, and I bailed each time.

That building is bad ju-ju.

[Lonster]

Casarao is a late night boate. It doesn't open until 10 p. I made the same mistake the first time I went. Got there just after 10 p and it was dead. It filled up a little but I was getting bored and planning my exit to Scandallo at 12 a. When I paid my bill and was heading out the door, a group of hot girls walked past me and walked in. I was WTF and thought for a sec and followed them back into the club. Best decision I made. The club started to pack in after. So, don't go to Casaroa much before midnight, that's when a lot of girls start showing up.

Thank you for the lowdown.

I will actually be in SP tomorrow, have plans to be in Baixa Augusta for drinks, finishing around 11. Might try Casarao again as I will be right there.

If any mongers are available, maybe we can hang out there.

[Lonster]

I really don't get what y'all are going on about wearing special clothes and being all scared in Sampa. I've been in Jabaquara to Santana and it's just fine.

Even I thought Santana was iffy, but it has a few addresses that kept coming up, some Dr. Cesar 209 and Henrique Bernadelli 119. Now I checked personally, and they are all in fine commercial neighborhoods. No worries. I can't even find Cesar 209 as these are all fine stores. And the Bernadelli 119 is a pretty nice looking Villa. I'm trying to muster some hornyness to actually go in and try them out for you, but I don't feel the need.

Earlier I got annoyed by another scam (like nothing really bad, just totally not what's advertized. Then another one, which I saved my time by telling the person per WhatsApp straight on that I walk out if it's not what's advertized, and that got me no response and then a block. So I knew.

Anyway, Bernadelli 119, I would go visit if I'm in the mood. And don't worry so much.

Hey Stinky,

Really good advice, thanks.

I too have been curious about Bernardelli 119. Most here seem to think it is a bait and switch type place as those woman we see using that address on Photoacom won't actually be there when one arrives for their session, and will be offered other girls.

I am on the fence as to go, as it is a hike for me, and don't want to get there expecting to meet a hottie from the site only to be offered something else. But the hotness of the girls advertising with that address is enticing.

[Anaggie]

This may work in RJ, but wearing bombeiro gear or other shit you mention in Jardins, Moema, Itaim or Vila Olimpia, where I go out on weekends in SP, is a sure way to draw unnecessary attention. When I'm in SP I dress exactly the same way I dress at home; jeans, shirt, t-shirt or polo shirt and nice shoes and that is how the locals dress in those areas when they go out. I'm sure it's different in RJ, but that is not the way to go in SP. Kudos to Bella Donna for slowing you down.

Exactly. This is how I dress whether I am in rio or in SP or anywhere else in the world. I don't feel the need to wear clothes to try to match the locals.

Please do not wear any MMA shirts or jiu jitsu shirts if you don't know or train those arts. Not only will someone try to test you and once they find out that you aren't in shape or know anything about fighting, they will take advantage. Take it from me. I laugh at those fat jokers who wear those shirts. I can tell within 5 secs by the way you walk and talk if you know anything about self defense. I have trained for over 12 years in close quarter combat martial arts and am a black belt in BJJ so I know how to avoid confrontation at all costs. Do not carry a knife with you unless you are trained in using it. The last thing you want is to have it taken away and used on you but the other guy.

Common sense and being aware of your surroundings will save your life in sticky situations. Once you are inside a safe area, you can let your guard down a bit but not 100%. Train to spot exits and try to keep your back to a wall. Other than that, relax, smile and have fun. People aren't out to get you or hurt you 99% of the time.

[The Cane]

In my first visit to Medellin many years ago I bought a t-shirt with some sort of sports insignia on it. I got thumbs up from some guys and harsh looks from others. I learnt my lesson.

If I wear any kind of football shirt in Brazil, it's the national team colors. Nobody has a problem with that LOL.

[Stinky Squid]

I really don't get what y'all are going on about wearing special clothes and being all scared in Sampa. I've been in Jabaquara to Santana and it's just fine.

Even I thought Santana was iffy, but it has a few addresses that kept coming up, some Dr. Cesar 209 and Henrique Bernadelli 119. Now I checked personally, and they are all in fine commercial neighborhoods. No worries. I can't even find Cesar 209 as these are all fine stores. And the Bernadelli 119 is a pretty nice looking Villa. I'm trying to muster some hornyness to actually go in and try them out for you, but I don't feel the need.

Earlier I got annoyed by another scam (like nothing really bad, just totally not what's advertized. Then another one, which I saved my time by telling the person per WhatsApp straight on that I walk out if it's not what's advertized, and that got me no response and then a block. So I knew.

Anyway, Bernadelli 119, I would go visit if I'm in the mood. And don't worry so much.

[Turgid]

This may work in RJ, but wearing bombeiro gear or other shit you mention in Jardins, Moema, Itaim or Vila Olimpia, where I go out on weekends in SP, is a sure way to draw unnecessary attention.....

In my first visit to Medellin many years ago I bought a t-shirt with some sort of sports insignia on it. I got thumbs up from some guys and harsh looks from others. I learnt my lesson.

[Jet69]

Dang, have to change my plans for day one in SP. Got to hit the malls and El Centro for the proper clothes. Who would have thought. My gringo looks will disappear in a flash. Thanks!

Further, I find the following helpful for security. (Buy local brands)

[Nordico]

Decathlon, a global brand, shop here if you are coming to Brazil, and it is widely available in Brazil.

Invictus (not 5. 11) tactical cloths, same as what off duty policia federal wear, which sends a message, context dependent (don't wear it to a favela).

Red Cross Brazil shirt, bought somewhere in centro.

South & Co beach wear, especially the cargo shorts with lots of small pockets including with zippers -- the locals pick up on local brands almost immediately. Bella donna went out and bought Vagabundo 1000 reais worth of South & Co beach wear because she hated, hated the bombeiro cloths.

This may work in RJ, but wearing bombeiro gear or other shit you mention in Jardins, Moema, Itaim or Vila Olimpia, where I go out on weekends in SP, is a sure way to draw unnecessary attention. When I'm in SP I dress exactly the same way I dress at home; jeans, shirt, t-shirt or polo shirt and nice shoes and that is how the locals dress in those areas when they go out. I'm sure it's different in RJ, but that is not the way to go in SP. Kudos to Bella Donna for slowing you down.

[SamaRiding]

Was at Caserao about 6 weeks ago, was not impressed at all. Unfriendly door guys, crap music, not many girls and the ones there I wouldn't do anything more than have a drink and chit chat for company, which is what I did. And that was on a Thursday night around 10 pm. Maybe it gets better.

Lonster.

Casarao is a late night boate. It doesn't open until 10 p. I made the same mistake the first time I went. Got there just after 10 p and it was dead. It filled up a little but I was getting bored and planning my exit to Scandallo at 12 a. When I paid my bill and was heading out the door, a group of hot girls walked past me and walked in. I was WTF and thought for a sec and followed them back into the club. Best decision I made. The club started to pack in after. So, don't go to Casaroa much before midnight, that's when a lot of girls start showing up.

[Anaggie]

Excuse the newbie question, but what's the best (well safest way for a newbie gringo) way of getting to Scandallo? Uber?

If you want to take company back to the hotel, also Uber?

Yes. And yes. They will also have taxis outside Scandello which are perfectly safe to take.