Sao Paulo Reports

[Maelstrom]

After seeing a lot of positive feedback on these forums I decided to give seekingarragements.com (SA) a try, and so far I've found the experience pretty underwhelming. I got some good photos of myself and a decent profile (and I've received compliments on both my photos and profile) and a premium subscription, and I get quite a bit of attention but I find it very difficult to secure any sort of meetings.

Most of the girls I'm interested in just stop responding to my messages eventually, and many don't reply in the first place. Most of the attention I'm getting is from women that I wouldn't want to sleep with, even for free.

I get the impression that all of the girls on that website want large sums of money, but none of them want to ask for it. I don't bring up money early in the conversation because I first want to figure out if the girl is worth my time but I feel like this is where I am losing a lot of girls.

I've been searching girls in Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro for the past month (so Holidays shouldn't be an issue). Have you guys experienced similar frustrations with SA?

What other websites would you guys recommend for meeting girls (both pro and non-pro) in Brazil? Out of all the dating apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, what ones are the most promising?

I have good experiences with Seeking both SP and Rio. Absolute baddies rate them 9/10, girls with huge instagram followings. I don't go over age 26 that's about my max age. They bring up money for a date / overnight / after I get their whatsapp and get to chatting. I have pics of the baddies I plan to meetup with. I speak no porto and just use translator.

Its your portfolio most likely you think you may have great pics / profile but your results are saying otherwise. The avg asking $ Reais I get is no less than 1k for a date/sex and goes up from there but I counter with 500k then negotiate from there , hits and misses the usual.

[Steve 9696]

After seeing a lot of positive feedback on these forums I decided to give seekingarragements.com (SA) a try, and so far I've found the experience pretty underwhelming. I got some good photos of myself and a decent profile (and I've received compliments on both my photos and profile) and a premium subscription, and I get quite a bit of attention but I find it very difficult to secure any sort of meetings.

Most of the girls I'm interested in just stop responding to my messages eventually, and many don't reply in the first place. Most of the attention I'm getting is from women that I wouldn't want to sleep with, even for free.

I get the impression that all of the girls on that website want large sums of money, but none of them want to ask for it. I don't bring up money early in the conversation because I first want to figure out if the girl is worth my time but I feel like this is where I am losing a lot of girls.

I've been searching girls in Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro for the past month (so Holidays shouldn't be an issue). Have you guys experienced similar frustrations with SA?

What other websites would you guys recommend for meeting girls (both pro and non-pro) in Brazil? Out of all the dating apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, what ones are the most promising?

It's not surprising your disappointed in Seeking if you haven't landed a date yet. What you are finding is that it's a shit ton of work. And what you hve not had yet is the benefit of that shit ton of work. I describe it as a massive pile of bullshit. And somewhere in that pile is a diamond. But you have to slog thru all of the shit ti find it. As you hve not found it yet, all you see is the shit. 😋.

I wrote s short guide on Seeking I'the be happy to send (I've dated over 50 girls on Seeking). Just hmu. But let me try to summarize a few key thoughts.

It's a numbers game. From a percentages POV prob less than 30% of girls will even respond to your message. And maybe 10% will be worth chatting further with. And then you get down to 1-3 who are worth taking on a date (bedding) and you get down to specifics and go consumate the deal. So your experience is not surprising. A few tips:

Try to mention something specific from their profile in your opener. Stay away from generic openers they've seen a zillion times.

Drive the conversation with questions. Never ever end an exchange without another question or she will just fade out.

Take things over to WhatsApp within a couple days of contact. Once you are on what's things stay more connected because the girls are not on SA 247.

It sounds like you already know not to treat them like full on pros. I like it to an online bar. Like you are picking up girls with your charm and charisma. But via text.

Never ever do the "coffee meetup". Always go for dinner and or drinks and take it to the room first night. That is when the momentum exists.

So why even bother, when you have Boates etc in So Paulo. And I generally agree with that. Seeking is best where pussy is hard to find. Like USA. That said Seekingbis just a completely different experience. It's like a real date and real feelings can get involved if you let them. Plus Sundays generally suck in South America so that's a great Seeking day. And finally you can develop really quality repeat relationships. I can fly to any of 5 or so cities and be guaranteed a quality date with a girl I adore and quality sex at the end. I have girls I've been seeing since I started Seeking in 2019.

Two final thoughts.

One. The diamonds do exist. Even in Brazil. I had a legit 9. 5 Seeking girl in Rio. She was either 400 or 500 R and we had a full 3-4 hour date. 9. 5 looks. 9. 5 personality. 9. 5 in bed. A true diamond. Right there in Rio. I had been browsing and chatting for a couple weeks and snagged her at 10 PM Sat night for a Sunday date. See point 2.

Sometimes going last minute totally works. My OPENER is "Going out for a nice dinner and drinks tonight. Join me?" This sounds so aggressive. Fuck we haven't even said Hello, yet. But this has worked for me at least five times sometimes with spectacular results.

So it's a ton of work but worth it IMO. HMU if you need any further help Or join in the chat w the rest of the Seeking enthusiasts here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements

[Murtyle]

Hey all,

I'm flying into SP on Tuesday and I have a long layover. I've tried to read through the forum and it seems it's going to be tough to find a place that's open. Does anyone know of a place that will be open on Tuesday?

Thanks!

[Sp1000]

57 does post the WhatsApp status. Abbobora sadly no. Also remember to add the Brazil phone code +55 if using a US phone.

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.
The latest numbers of a dozen clinicas around Moema are posted or look for new numbers pinned. There are two or three posts with the working wassap number.
In SP, wake up, grab my phone, start checking the clinicas wassap lineup of photos faces, names, four hands specials to plan my day for Tangara, Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, Spa Moah, Chanel, Yankin, Lushness, Red visits and many more.
For Tangara and Prime clinicas I like to know the time garotas in foto lineup is supposed to show up or if she is already in the house. There is no guarantee she will show up for the day, stuff happens.
In my experience, Enjoy Clinca has one of the most flaky schedules for appointments. Enjoy 's lineup schedule for the day is flaky or bait and switch. The garotas show up damn late in the afternoon, definitely not on time, if at all. Sometimes the garota prefer to stay in the other sister clinica Miruna.
Enjoy Spa will post a deep lineup of photos.
ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.
Abbobora has a deep lineup of beautiful sun tanned, sun drenched SEXY Brancas. Dayum! And real pain-in-the-ass chica at the front desk, others already mentioned their dealings with her.

Thanks for letting me know. For Tangara, their second number in gp guia worked with Whatsapp.

I do not know how things work in clinicas. Clinica receptions can explain in English or I need to use google translator?

My further concern is being ripped off, while prices are described in automatic replies via Whatsapp.

A few posts that I remember here reported 190 including BBBJ or CIM in Tangara or Yankin and 330 including CBJ in Abbobora.

Let's say I want to include BBBJ and CIM. Prices can be way above the range of 200-300 depending on girls, which means I may need to negotiate with another girl for a cheaper price for that service?

Also, I can see that Prime, Miruna, Enjoy and Abbobora are in close proximity. Is it safe to walk among them if I do not like a lineup in the first place and want to check the next?

I feel like seeing in person instead of making an appoinment since I do not have good experiences in booking girls based on photos.

[Above Average]

After seeing a lot of positive feedback on these forums I decided to give seekingarragements.com (SA) a try, and so far I've found the experience pretty underwhelming. I got some good photos of myself and a decent profile (and I've received compliments on both my photos and profile) and a premium subscription, and I get quite a bit of attention but I find it very difficult to secure any sort of meetings.

Most of the girls I'm interested in just stop responding to my messages eventually, and many don't reply in the first place. Most of the attention I'm getting is from women that I wouldn't want to sleep with, even for free.

I get the impression that all of the girls on that website want large sums of money, but none of them want to ask for it. I don't bring up money early in the conversation because I first want to figure out if the girl is worth my time but I feel like this is where I am losing a lot of girls.

I've been searching girls in Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro for the past month (so Holidays shouldn't be an issue). Have you guys experienced similar frustrations with SA?

What other websites would you guys recommend for meeting girls (both pro and non-pro) in Brazil? Out of all the dating apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, what ones are the most promising?

[SamaRiding]

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.

ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.

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57 does post the WhatsApp status. Abbobora sadly no. Also remember to add the Brazil phone code +55 if using a US phone.

[JSmith80]

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.

Under.

Acomphantes Sao Paulo.

CLnicas de Massagens SP.

The latest numbers of a dozen clinicas around Moema are posted or look for new numbers pinned. There are two or three posts with the working wassap number.

In SP, wake up, grab my phone, start checking the clinicas wassap lineup of photos faces, names, four hands specials to plan my day for Tangara, Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, Spa Moah, Chanel, Yankin, Lushness, Red visits and many more.

My routine is to be knee-deep in a drunken porno, fantasy threesomes from 11 am to 7 pm each day, then uber over to Scandallo from evening to 3 am. Repeat every day for trip.

For Tangara and Prime clinicas I like to know the time garotas in foto lineup is supposed to show up or if she is already in the house. There is no guarantee she will show up for the day, stuff happens.

In my experience, Enjoy Clinca has one of the most flaky schedules for appointments. Enjoy 's lineup schedule for the day is flaky or bait and switch. The garotas show up damn late in the afternoon, definitely not on time, if at all. Sometimes the garota prefer to stay in the other sister clinica Miruna.

Enjoy Spa will post a deep lineup of photos. I Uber over there in 5 min, going from front entrance of Miruna to Enjoy's wooden door. I arrive to find only one or two or sometimes no garotas available in the place. A disappointment. The okder front desk gal is cool though. I know her from the years She worked at 57 Friends. Occasionally Enjoy will cover the cost of a taxi back to Miruna when nobody shows up at Enjoy. Your experience may vary.

ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.

Abbobora has a deep lineup of beautiful sun tanned, sun drenched SEXY Brancas. Dayum! And real pain-in-the-ass chica at the front desk, others already mentioned their dealings with her.

I did meet up with a amazing 21-year-old blond Branca outside of Abbobora. It was a slow day, she is there only two days every two or three weeks. She rides the bus back to her city which is a few hours away from SP.

Sometimes I ask the once-a-week or weekend-only garotas if they met their $$ number. We chatted, she didn't meet her. $$ goal that day. So we met up before her bus trip at my apart hotel Tsue Flats, a 5 min walk from Abbobora. What superb experience it was illusion of passion (IoP) meets illusion of money (IoM).

Later she traveled back to SP a few weeks later to hook up again.

YMMV, I still like scheduling appointments and making the presentation rounds in Moema clinicas daytime.

That's a hell of a demanding schedule. How do you keep your stamina up? I also had planned to do two clinics prior to Scandallo in the evening but never made it past one. I also opted to consume only coconut water, protein shakes and some pasta over other types of dishes to avoid lethargy during the day.

J.

[Tochka]

Is it possible to check the list of girls and their photos?

If asking by whatsapp, I guess they will only let me know the names of available girls that day.

But even for "chat via whatsapp", I cannot connect. Whatsapp says "the phone number isn't on whatsapp".

How can I do? Connecting to Yankin's whatsapp worked at least.

The wassap phone numbers are posted on gp guia net.

Under.

Acomphantes Sao Paulo.

CLnicas de Massagens SP.

The latest numbers of a dozen clinicas around Moema are posted or look for new numbers pinned. There are two or three posts with the working wassap number.

In SP, wake up, grab my phone, start checking the clinicas wassap lineup of photos faces, names, four hands specials to plan my day for Tangara, Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, Spa Moah, Chanel, Yankin, Lushness, Red visits and many more.

My routine is to be knee-deep in a drunken porno, fantasy threesomes from 11 am to 7 pm each day, then uber over to Scandallo from evening to 3 am. Repeat every day for trip.

For Tangara and Prime clinicas I like to know the time garotas in foto lineup is supposed to show up or if she is already in the house. There is no guarantee she will show up for the day, stuff happens.

In my experience, Enjoy Clinca has one of the most flaky schedules for appointments. Enjoy 's lineup schedule for the day is flaky or bait and switch. The garotas show up damn late in the afternoon, definitely not on time, if at all. Sometimes the garota prefer to stay in the other sister clinica Miruna.

Enjoy Spa will post a deep lineup of photos. I Uber over there in 5 min, going from front entrance of Miruna to Enjoy's wooden door. I arrive to find only one or two or sometimes no garotas available in the place. A disappointment. The okder front desk gal is cool though. I know her from the years She worked at 57 Friends. Occasionally Enjoy will cover the cost of a taxi back to Miruna when nobody shows up at Enjoy. Your experience may vary.

ABBBORA clinica and 57 House Friend don't post team lineups or send wassap photos of the garotas I still ask for the presentation fotos anyway and she never sends. In person only. Sigh.

Abbobora has a deep lineup of beautiful sun tanned, sun drenched SEXY Brancas. Dayum! And real pain-in-the-ass chica at the front desk, others already mentioned their dealings with her.

I did meet up with a amazing 21-year-old blond Branca outside of Abbobora. It was a slow day, she is there only two days every two or three weeks. She rides the bus back to her city which is a few hours away from SP.

Sometimes I ask the once-a-week or weekend-only garotas if they met their $$ number. We chatted, she didn't meet her. $$ goal that day. So we met up before her bus trip at my apart hotel Tsue Flats, a 5 min walk from Abbobora. What superb experience it was illusion of passion (IoP) meets illusion of money (IoM).

Later she traveled back to SP a few weeks later to hook up again.

YMMV, I still like scheduling appointments and making the presentation rounds in Moema clinicas daytime.

[JSmith80]

J, I think you are being too hard on yourself concerning your 1st night at Scandallo and the money you dropped. In a very short time, I think, the money spent that 1st night which included a mediocre 3 way will recede in importance in your mind, as your positive memory of that third girl and how you found her will grow. Hey, I have done 3 ways and 2-fers in Scandallo. I even did one girl 2 x in Scandallo.

A. H. [ / QUOTE.

Solid Advice A. H.

JS, You can ask the roving waiters working the tables to show you the total tab amount so far. They carry the swipe machine with them. Even in a drunken state, I want a sneak peek at the damage from buying myself 20-year chivas regal, buckets of ice and ordering gin tropicals or gin tonics for the duplos garotas doing threesomes.

I always get a bucket of ice cause the two Scandallo chicas with me for the duplo session, make a big deal to personally serve my drinks. Also I control the chica's drink order, it's gin tropical or related to gin cause I know the prices from seeing the waiters swipe the tablet. Nothing else can be ordered on my dime. Some Chicas buy their own fancy wine.

As part of the (IoP) illusion of passion, the garotas doing the threesome compete to refill my drinks. They sloppy suck on the ice cubes, while tongue-swapping with each other in a deep French lesbo kiss. It's a porno-style 4-play of their cum-swapping talent in the room. And we ain't going to the room until they do a public Lesbo deep kissing going first. I join in the three-way kissing after they wipe off that crazy-ass red lipstick.

Usually, I grab a table in the last row at the back bar across the bathrooms. Sometimes we will jump up from the tables to do a sexy three-way dance. My drunk clumsy ass will bang the table knocking over the glass drinks. It feels a hell of a lot better knowing they did not have any expensive drinks on my dime.

T,

I will definitely be cognizant of the tab the way in which you describe the next time around. I as unpack my experience, I realize I was not patient and simply didn't stand my ground and dictate the terms I wanted before hand. Haha, I'm laughing as I picture what you describe unfolding on one of the back tables near the bathrooms; the stuff of dreams. I look forward to returning.

J.

[JSmith80]

J, I think you are being too hard on yourself concerning your 1st night at Scandallo and the money you dropped. In a very short time, I think, the money spent that 1st night which included a mediocre 3 way will recede in importance in your mind, as your positive memory of that third girl and how you found her will grow. Hey, I have done 3 ways and 2-fers in Scandallo. I even did one girl 2 x in Scandallo in one night. That is how crazy I am sometimes, but I never did 3 girls in one night. So, way to go! And not to minimize the huge amount of money you dropped that night, it's only money. Ha Ha Ha. I have thrown away a ton more $$$ on really stupid shit like installing an AMP & speakers in my new SUV. It still pisses me off how much those installers / grifters charged me. KKK.

SP clinicas are very good. I am in SP as I write this and so far, this visit, a clinica girl is in the lead for the best new girl of the trip. Boy was she something in bed including a 69 CIM finish. But, I have to add that I think boate girls have more potential over the long run if you are into that sort of thing I. E. LT, modified ST's lasting 3 to 7 hours without a sleep over, and repeats.

BTW, repeats are how I was introduced by my favorite Scandallo girl to her GFs and one night the girls and I were drinking a bottle of malbec when both girls suggested we go upstairs together for a true menage a trois, one where everybody is doing everybody with a lot of IOP as you coined the phrase in the preceding paragraph. And that was a truly memorable night!

So rock on and follow your bliss wherever it leads you to like SP Clinicas, Boates or some other destination.

A. H.

AH,

Firstly, thank you for your kind words of encouragement. It is indeed true that after a couple of weeks now, the bad memories are beginning to fade while I continue to day-dream and night-dream about the good ones. I find myself wanting to return sooner rather than later but luckily the larger brain deters me from making any rash decisions.

Secondly, that threesome you describe with full IoP is the stuff of dreams. I hope to experience this type of bliss one day and will be searching for it on my next visit.

Lastly, thank you for all the knowledge you have bestowed upon this thread as my itinerary was loosely based on all the feedback. Your past reports were spot on and they saved me much time and energy. I definitely owe you a few of those expensive drinks if our paths ever cross in SP.

J.

[JSmith80]

Great report, I agree with you with some things regarding scandallo first of all it is in fact a money pit if you do not control yourself and start swiping left and right, it is easy to loose control and start swiping once you get excited and because of the card system you do not feel and realize how much you are spending until it is time to go and is too late. In my experience although I was determined not to spend more of the 300 R in consumable in the end I end up spending 100 R more, mainly on drinks for me and a couple for the girls as I spend there several hours, but I always had an idea of how much I was spending I went there with just the right amount of money I could not afford to loose control. I can only imagine how much you spend ordering bottles and having dinner with the girls, and as you mentioned that is a rookie mistake if your pockets are not deep. Not because is not worth it if I had deep pockets I would be definitely be ordering bottles and inviting dinner to the girls, surely I would have a great time but you can have equally great time just inviting a drink or 2 to a girl you fancy and not spending that much.

The other thing I agree is that the girls Coming on to you one after the other can be sometimes a little anoying because same as you, once you start talking they can be extremely charming and before you know it, if you are not experienced enough, you are going for the rooms even if the girl is not exactly the type you would like.

Fortunately in my case Both sessions I had they were great, I enjoyed more the session with the girl more of my type but I guess that was because I was more into her due to my tastes, but apart from that both were great performers each in their own way. I would guess that was because we had great chemistry during the interview process before we Went to the rooms, it helped me a lot that both girls spoke some Spanish and that I knew basic Portuguese we had no problem communicating, I would imagine communicating only through the translating App on your phone would limit greatly the experience of the interview process and that could lead to some unfortunate mediocre sessions.

In my case I did not feel that they could smell foreigners from miles away and be treated differently, but maybe that was just my case due to my nature of being a fellow south American maybe I could blend in with the crow and pass as a local, they would realize I was not a local just as I talk with my "Portuol". But in other cases when you are from a country with a more different ethnicity say gringo type or Asian they could spot you more easily and worst if you don't speak a lick of the local language you may be more exposed to girls trying to charge you more or getting you to invite dinner.

But will all the considerations and with more experience I am sure your next visits will be more enjoyable, as the experience in general is quiet amazing.

Indeed RR95. Thanks for your feedback and contribution to the forum with your report as well. I continue to take notes and as you said, I am determined to make the next visit even better!

J.

[JSmith80]

I have never, ever experienced the kind of high-pressure environment that you described at Scandallo, and so few here have written of experiencing the same thing that I can't recall another similar report off the top of my head.

Play ball!

Perhaps you are right, TC. It might have just been a combination of it being my first time there and paranoia. I don't know if I could pass as Brazilian but it might have been I could not blend in due to my not knowing the local language.

Either way, as you said, play ball!

J.

[Sp1000]

Tangara.
I learned my lesson to schedule an appointment in advance for my favorite two or three garotas in Tangara. I went very early when the wassap listed 25+ to 38+ garotas in the house. Damn I was excited with anticipation.

Is it possible to check the list of girls and their photos?

If asking by whatsapp, I guess they will only let me know the names of available girls that day.

But even for "chat via whatsapp", I cannot connect. Whatsapp says "the phone number isn't on whatsapp".

How can I do? Connecting to Yankin's whatsapp worked at least.

[Knowledge]

OMG, I never thought of it that way. I think you are right.

Yeah. If you think about it it's like a gang bang..

[Sp1000]

Does anyone know how it is like in KILT?

According to a guy who has described his positive experience in this club years ago in his blog, it was as nice as other termas*in terms of the quality of girls or vibes, and he liked sex shows played there.

I wonder how it is now.