Sao Paulo Reports

[Skymusic]

Details were supposed to be rolled out in December. An evisa option was supposedly available.

But as with all things Brazilian. I wouldn't be surprised if it's pushed back again.

https://www.ivisa.com

These guys are fantastic. I originally purchased my visa through them for a trip in November.

I sent them $102.77, but they told me that they couldn't purchase the visa until 30 days prior to my trip.

Then they told me the visa is not needed until Jan 2024, and that they were sending me the money back.

[SocratesNY]

Hi Guys,

Can anyone give some advise on the forthcoming visa requirements? I shall be coming to Sao Paulo and Rio for the first time around January 20th. I heard they are imposing Visa requirement for those coming after 10th January. Have they already started giving visas? I could not confirm this on any site. I called the consulate in DC but no one ever picks up the phone. Do they have tourist visa on arrival? If they have this option then I can book my ticket without worrying about when they are going to start processing the visas. The other option they may have is EVISA to be applied on line. But I don't see that is open yet. I just can't fathom how long should I wait before I can buy my plane tickets. I was planning to get the visa first and then buy my tickets. I would appreciate any feed back in this matter.

Details were supposed to be rolled out in December. An evisa option was supposedly available.

But as with all things Brazilian. I wouldn't be surprised if it's pushed back again.

[Wilfred1]

Hi Guys,

Can anyone give some advise on the forthcoming visa requirements? I shall be coming to Sao Paulo and Rio for the first time around January 20th. I heard they are imposing Visa requirement for those coming after 10th January. Have they already started giving visas? I could not confirm this on any site. I called the consulate in DC but no one ever picks up the phone. Do they have tourist visa on arrival? If they have this option then I can book my ticket without worrying about when they are going to start processing the visas. The other option they may have is EVISA to be applied on line. But I don't see that is open yet. I just can't fathom how long should I wait before I can buy my plane tickets. I was planning to get the visa first and then buy my tickets. I would appreciate any feed back in this matter.

[JZeleznik]

The three times I've been to Casarao I saw mostly 6's, some 5's, one or two 7's. Never ever saw a 9 or 10.

Scales are a tricky thing and I frankly don't like using them, but in my entire life I've only ever seen a single 10 in person. I'm probably right around 40 Scandallo visits, and I've only seen a handful of 9's there. There are IMO a lot more pretend 9's, women who can pass for a 9, but really are just good at concealing whatever (minor) physical flaws they have. The magic of Scandallo is that its loaded with 7's and 8's. Also personally I'd almost always rather fuck a 7 or an 8 as I find them to be more fun in bed than the 9's, but that's another discussion.

On a good night, Casarao will have a few 7's and a rare 8 among a sea of 4's, 5's, and 6's. The 7's don't sit around too long, and the 8's vanish if you blink too slow. I spend most of my time there fending off women who think I'm shy rather than picky. Last night at Casarao the girl I went with was an upper 7. I saw her on the floor twice totaling less than ten minutes, and only caught her right as she was about to leave the club. I saw maybe four other 7's in the three hours I was there, and there were easily 100+ girls. If its a bad night like Monday, I don't mind a fun 6 given the price.

For me at least, Casarao is a lot more "work" if you want the quality girls. Scandallo is not, your options for quality girls are abundant. However as I spend months here and look to fuck 4-5 nights a week with some clinica day trips mixed in, Scandallo is really taxing on my budget. Putting in the work at Casarao is worth it for me most of the time, and when its not I go to Scandallo.

[SocratesNY]

Socrates

Thanks for the info about the day shift. I had gone once at 6 but there wasn't anyone in attendance who caught my eye, and the girls I like on the night shift usually aren't on the floor until 9:30-10. I was almost falling asleep waiting, so its good to know I can leave and come back without getting locked into the 200 entry and another 300 in consumables, though in practice I'd probably consume that much anyway between me and a drink or two for the girls. Do you need to do anything special when you leave and return, or do they automatically know when they put your ID into the computer?

My friends and I do the arrive at 5-6 pm and then leane for dinner at 7-8 pm and return after 10 pm regularly. They know you were there earlier in the day due to your ID.

With that said, we often remind the counter girls when we return later in the night that we were in the club earlier and just came from dinner. We haven't had any issues with extra charge for cover on the return so far, but always good to check your receipts before paying.

One ISG member mentioned earlier this year that they rescinded this leave and return policy, but I've been to Scandallo in 3 subsequent trips and confirmed each time, both in person and via WhatsApp, that the policy is still in effect.

One tactic that my friends and I often do is that we pool our consumption on a bottle each visit before 7 pm (sometimes after 7 pm too). That way, we limit our consumption drinks wise when we return. Bottles are valid for 6 months.

I also went to Bomboa during their "happy hour" for the first time this trip. It is similar to Scandallo's before 7 pm reduced consumption / entry. In Bomboa's case, it is R147 consumption before 3 pm. There were about 15-20 girls during the afternoon during our visit. Not a bad spot to grab lunch and numbers or an afternoon session.

[The Critic]

Just some random thoughts or comments from some recent posts without quoting the OP, as I am too lazy to do so.

Thanks for the illuminating report on "Scandalo during F1 week" and High End Clinicas. I look forward to your next SP report.

[WonderWhy]

I will be in Sao Paulo next week actually arriving Saturday morning 18th. Staying in the Pinheiros area but willing to travel to someone good. My nights will be taken up mostly by several regulars but I am wanting to find a good massage Saturday afternoon, Monday and Friday or the next Saturday / Sunday. By this I mean someone that actually knows what they are doing and can do it well. It is nice to have some teasing and the possibility of intimacy but not necessary.

It is a long shot but thought I would ask on here. I will be searching on my own as well and will report if I find someone.

[HiddenEye]

The three times I've been to Casarao I saw mostly 6's, some 5's, one or two 7's. Never ever saw a 9 or 10.

I would compare an apple with an apple. Let's say, Scandallo and the classy Cafe Photo (many guys here don't like Cafe Photo, I'm sure), both places have 8's and above. Cafe Photo in less number of course.

Lately I find the difference in quality of looks has narrowed a bit between the two, though Scandallo is still the clear winner. Scandallo requires the girls to maintain a strict five day schedule or pay a fine, so there are definitely great looking girls who can't keep that schedule and end up working elsewhere. Of course the absolute knockouts don't care because they make so much the fine is meaningless, but as competition is high even very good looking girls have to worry they'll have a bad night.

[JZeleznik]

Casaro sounds like the place then. Is the quality at scandallo that much better than Casaro. I only need to find one hottie every couple days. My 2 or 3 girls a night or over.

Lately I find the difference in quality of looks has narrowed a bit between the two, though Scandallo is still the clear winner. Scandallo requires the girls to maintain a strict five day schedule or pay a fine, so there are definitely great looking girls who can't keep that schedule and end up working elsewhere. Of course the absolute knockouts don't care because they make so much the fine is meaningless, but as competition is high even very good looking girls have to worry they'll have a bad night.

Where Scandallo has a definitive edge is quality of service. For me personally, if I was going for only one or two girls a week I would opt for the Scandallo experience (or maybe Bomboa). Casarao is very fast paced, whereas at Scandallo I'll have a good meal, walk around having drinks and scoping out my options, spend an hour or two chatting with a girl and then go have a great fuck. I've definitely had spectacular and passionate sex at Casarao, but its much more of a gamble. I don't mind risking a mediocre experience, because at that price I'll just find someone else for round 2. At Scandallo you're going to have much more time to build a rapport, and ensure a good experience. I've had disappointing sex at Casarao, and in general I am highly selective when it comes to picking girls there. In contrast I can't recall ever having an actual bad experience with a girl at Scandallo. For you I might suggest alternating between Scandallo and Bomboa to see how you like it. Bomboa is definitely more relaxed like Scandallo, and the quality of girls is high both in terms of looks and service. The cost is a bit lower than Scandallo, though not by much. I haven't been this trip yet, but I do plan to go soon to see how it holds up in the current environment.

Socrates

Thanks for the info about the day shift. I had gone once at 6 but there wasn't anyone in attendance who caught my eye, and the girls I like on the night shift usually aren't on the floor until 9:30-10. I was almost falling asleep waiting, so its good to know I can leave and come back without getting locked into the 200 entry and another 300 in consumables, though in practice I'd probably consume that much anyway between me and a drink or two for the girls. Do you need to do anything special when you leave and return, or do they automatically know when they put your ID into the computer?

Jsmith

I can't speak to the quality of day shift, but I can tell you that you won't see the best of night shift until 9 at the earliest, and probably more like 9:30-45. In terms of safety, that is a non-issue at Scandallo. I have literally seen a man passed out on a sofa for well over two hours, and nothing happened to him. I was starting to suspect he was dead with as still as he was, so I positioned myself sitting with a girl so that we could verify he did eventually wake up. Also when you take an Uber or Cab to Scandallo you are dropped off and picked up in a semi enclosed area surrounded by staff and security. I have never felt safer at a bar or strip club in my life, and you're equally as safe leaving Scandallo at 12 or 4 am.

[TjBrazil]

Hey TJ,

Currently in Sao Paulo for a bit and I do think the R1,000 mark is where most Scandallo girls are at for an hour. I've been able to get a lot of repeats from previous trips at R800-900, but the new ones really don't seem to want to settle for any less. Now I'm at the point where I will never ask their price because I know I'm going to get quoted R1,500 or more. One thing I've considered recently though is that I am arriving earlier in the evening and looking to go upstairs around 11-12, so its very possible those prices might fall off later in the evening. In the next week or two I'll try going later and seeing what prices look like around 2 am, for science.

On that note I've actually found myself frequenting Scandallo much less, because while I ultimately always have a good time the entry fee combined with the higher prices for the girls makes me wonder if I'm better off at Casarao. For reference entry plus drinks tends to run me around R600-R800, then R300 for the hotel, and another R1,000 for the girl. In contrast my Casarao tab is R50-R200, R100 for the hotel, and R600 typically divided between two girls. Funny enough I actually did not like Casarao my first time, but at the urging of other members here I gave it another try and its become my favorite house. The Casarao talent pool has really impressed me lately, and the prices are consistently R300 for a half and R500 for an hour. A few girls had asked for 350 and took 300, and a few have quoted me 250, so while it doesn't hurt to ask here like it might in Scandallo I generally just make my offer and stand firm.

Casaro sounds like the place then. Is the quality at scandallo that much better than Casaro. I only need to find one hottie every couple days. My 2 or 3 girls a night or over.

[SocratesNY]

Just some random thoughts or comments from some recent posts without quoting the OP, as I am too lazy to do so.

F1 Week

It was fun to check out Scandallo during F1 week, but for me, it's probably a one and done type of deal. It can become difficult to secure hotels, reservations at hot restaurants, etc. It was disappointing that many of the good late night places (bars, clubs, etc.) were closed due to private parties or lack of interest by regular patrons. Traffic was also noticeably worse while I was in town, which is saying something as Sao Paulo traffic normally gives NYC, DC, LA, etc. Traffic a run for its money.

Admission / consumption at Scandallo for F1 week 2023, Mon to Thurs was R300 before 7 pm all consumption. After 7 pm, it was R500, with R300 for consumption (so same as usual). On Fri and Saturday, it was R300 before 3 pm, all consumption, and after 3 PM, it was R600, with R300 for consumption.

Paying GDP via CC

Regarding CC payment to a GDP. Not in a million years. Besides the possibility of CC fraud, skimming, etc. , the thought of my real personal info. In the hands of a GDP is a no go. I GDP-proof my room when I bring one back by not leaving any personal info. To hand over my real name (not a big deal as it's basically similar to John Smith) and personal info. And leave a paper trail with them is just too risky, if you value your privacy and discretion. Don't want to be a target of some blackmail scheme.

Paying a GDP before the deed

Someone else mentioned that country, city, venue, etc. Would dictate whether it's necessary or common to pay first and I agree with them. With that said, it's fortunate that its not the norm in Brazil in almost all venues. I think I might have been asked to pay first in one of the high end clinicas, but I could be wrong. I've only had one boate girl ask for payment up front (out of probably 100+). I flatly told her no, so she left. I probably saved myself from a shitty time, as her whole persona and energy totally changed when I refused to pay upfront. I now make it known during my vetting / interview process that I only pay at the end. I've also had to do the same regarding BBBJ, due to a few instances where I found out the girl only does CBJ.

Scandallo

As much as I love the place, It can get boring if you go more than 2 or 3 nights a week, especially if you are visiting SP for more than a week or two. You end up seeing mostly the same girls after 3-4 visits. I usually go during the weekdays to meet new girls and then repeat with girls I find special over the weekend, whether I met them on my current trip or from previous trips. They would then act as my tour guide and we would do civilian stuff on the weekends, when Scandallo and other boates are slower or closed.

Wednesdays and Thursdays seem to be the busiest days at Scandallo with the most girls. Those are the nights most locals can use the excuse of a business dinner or night out with the boys. Those are also usually the days that the club hires popular live musical acts and DJs to perform, which also draws a crowd. Weekends are usually reserved for family time or hanging out with friends, so Friday and Saturday are slower. Although I've heard from some that on Saturdays a lot of local Asians attend the club in groups for some reason. Mondays are also slow as it's the start of the workweek. Tuesday can be a bit like Friday and Saturday, but sometimes busy like Thursdays, especially if they have a musical guest.

Also don't discount the daytime / afternoon crew. Some girls prefer to work during the day as they can pretend to be working a regular job and keep their gig more on the down low. It's a more mellow vibe during the day and I've met some amazing girls during the day. A great compromise is to show up at 6 pm and you can see the shift change that occurs at 8 to 10 pm, as girls work 8 hours and daytime girls usually show up between 12 to 2 pm. They tend to be more down to earth and prefer to avoid the nighttime party crowd. You also get the benefit of only having to pay R300, which is all consumption. It's a great time to visit too if you don't plan to party into the night.

When my schedule allows, I like to show up at 5-6 pm to check out the afternoon crowd and then exit around 7 or 8 to go out to dinner. I then would return later at night and not have to pay the admission again and just pay for whatever I consume. As I usually have a bottle waiting for me, my late night consumption on the return visit usually isn't too much.

High end clinicas

I used to consider them to be a great compromise between regular clinicas and boate girls. The girls are generally hotter on average than regular clinica girls and can be similar to a boate girl. I've also found their service to be on par with most boate girls. However, I'm reconsidering my assessment, as they increased their pricing earlier this year. Now they are almost R800 for the hour. They lose their value if you end up staying more than 60 minutes, as a 90 or 120 minute session can end up costing as much or more than a Scandallo girl.

I am also not a fan of the iPad system, even though the pictures are pretty much representative of the girls, if a tad touched up. Girls with videos do show a better representation of how they look. I was told by management from most of the clubs that I can pick a 2nd girl within 10-15 minutes if I wanted someone else. A local ISG bro mentioned a good tactic of picking 2 girls that he liked and then asking to see both (they come one at a time), before he decided.

I also liked Palm the most from previous experiences. I had one average / okay experience, one good experience and one amazing experience at Palms. My amazing experience at Palms was with probably my favorite clinica girl I've met in SP, but I didn't get a chance to repeat as she only works on Saturdays, when I am usually busy. I had one good experience at Lotus and one very good experience at Oro. I plan to check out Sharon on my next trip, especially as it is very close to one of my favorite regular clinicas, Tangara, which has a very large and diverse lineup and at low end pricing.

The rooms were all very nice in all three that I visited. Very spacious with good lighting and good amenities similar to a 4 to 5 star hotel room / mini suite. Lotus and Oro has a more modern look and Palms has a tropical bungalow feel. All were more than a step up from regular clinica rooms and even the Scandallo rooms.

Boteco Belmonte

It seems they have 8 locations all over RJ. They even have a location in SP! Their location in Leme also seems to have a great view. It was cool seeing them bring over some of their more popular dishes to tables for you to see and pick. It's a bit like a Rodizio at a Churrascaria, but it's not all you can eat!

[JSmith80]

Hey TJ,

Currently in Sao Paulo for a bit and I do think the R1,000 mark is where most Scandallo girls are at for an hour. I've been able to get a lot of repeats from previous trips at R800-900, but the new ones really don't seem to want to settle for any less. Now I'm at the point where I will never ask their price because I know I'm going to get quoted R1,500 or more. One thing I've considered recently though is that I am arriving earlier in the evening and looking to go upstairs around 11-12, so its very possible those prices might fall off later in the evening. In the next week or two I'll try going later and seeing what prices look like around 2 am, for science.

On that note I've actually found myself frequenting Scandallo much less, because while I ultimately always have a good time the entry fee combined with the higher prices for the girls makes me wonder if I'm better off at Casarao. For reference entry plus drinks tends to run me around R600-R800, then R300 for the hotel, and another R1,000 for the girl. In contrast my Casarao tab is R50-R200, R100 for the hotel, and R600 typically divided between two girls. Funny enough I actually did not like Casarao my first time, but at the urging of other members here I gave it another try and its become my favorite house. The Casarao talent pool has really impressed me lately, and the prices are consistently R300 for a half and R500 for an hour. A few girls had asked for 350 and took 300, and a few have quoted me 250, so while it doesn't hurt to ask here like it might in Scandallo I generally just make my offer and stand firm. Casarao does have fewer girls who are my type to choose from, but there are always a few good prospects and I've only been disappointed once this trip. The one thing I would be mindful of is CBJs are more common here, so definitely ask if that's a deal breaker for you. Keep in mind though that when I say more common I mean a bit under 50% versus Scandallo's < 5%. Lastly on Casarao, don't bother showing up before 11:30 and try to go next door for your first round by 1 am. Before 11:30 its likely to be devoid of quality girls, but after 1 am the hotel gets busy and you have longer waits for a room. The waiting can be fun with the right girl, but waiting in that line twice would mean I don't get home until 5 am. It's been downright bizarre this last week to see the club packed wall to wall with people, and the hotel having three people in the lobby and no line.

Lastly not to contradict myself, but if I was only in SP for a week or less I'd be living it up at Scandallo. My mindset reflects being here for two weeks already with another four to go, so I don't want to make any newbies doubt the Scandallo experience. Anyway, I'll try to compile a proper report near the end of this trip. Have fun everyone!

JZeleznik,

Thanks for this commentary and breakdown of Scandallo pricing. I will be visiting in a few weeks and this information is much appreciated.

With that said, I ask the veterans of ISG, what would your ideal night look like at Scandallo? I imagine myself arriving around 6 PM. Then grabbing an ice cold Antarctica beer and making some rounds. Perhaps, then make my way over to the famous sushi bar and getting two rolls of a salmon and avocado roll. Once finished eating, begin engaging in more drink and more talk. I see myself making a decision around 8-9 PM and heading upstairs. I don't know if Scandallo rooms have showers but if they did, I surmise I would ask my lady of the night if she'd like to join and just do the deed in there.

Afterwards, I see myself exiting before 12 AM when the more unscrupulous gentlemen of SP begin hunting for gringos to take advantage of.

That's how I'm imagining it now. Plans change but I wonder if you were to construct an ideal timeline, what would it be?

Thanks and Godspeed.

J.

[Lalabo]

Would appreciate any feedback gentlemen.

I have visited Brazil about 4 times now but always Rio. While I do come for play I GREATLY enjoy the easy vibe of Rio. The plan is to head back over in a few weeks but thinking of giving SP a try because of the storied I have heard about Scandello being the best.

I have gone through the threads here and I see great and so so reviews on Scandello.

So is it worth it for me to give up the laid back Rio vibe and visit SP and Scandello this trip?

Again, any feedback is appreciated.

Scandallo is the place to visit if you want to see few hundred girls under one roof with luxurious atmosphere. Its not cheap like others have said. Prepare to spend a minimum of about 1500 reals (girl + entrance + room). Only way to know if the club is for you or not is to visit it once. In addition to Scandallo, you can try other boetes like Casarao, Bamboa, Cafe Photo etc. , and much cheaper clinicas while in SP.

[Lalabo]

I was told that 650+ girls showed up on Tuesday, 950+ on Wednesday, and 900+ on Thursday by my favorite waiter and management at the club. I personally was there with a friend on Wednesday and Thursday night from 10 pm until 2-3 am and can concur on those numbers. I even counted the crowd from the balcony of the 2nd floor VIP area on Thursday and stopped counting after reaching 500 in the disco area. Once you add in girls at the outside patio, restaurant and in rooms, that's easily 900+. Every part of the club was open, including the back section of the outdoor patio.

As you can imagine, with such a big crowd, it can be quite hectic. It was difficult to move in the disco area, and sometimes even in the outdoor patio area. I was glad we had a table reserved in both the disco and patio area so we didn't need to stand around, which a lot of the guys had to do. While watching all the girls parade by, my friends and I kept thinking and saying two phrases. "Sensory Overload" and "Decision Paralysis"!

Very nice report, SocratesNY, and thanks for sharing details of what it is like during F1 week.

Wow! 900+ girl. I thought 200-300 girls on a night is the tops for the club but never imagined the it could pull in that many girls a night. I experience "Sensory Overload" and "Decision Paralysis" with 150-200+ girls. You experiencing it with such huge numbers is totally understandable. I guess I need to plan a trip next year during F1 week to see the spectacle. I am curious to know what was the entrance fee during the days you have visited.

Speaking of inflated F1 week pricing, I think the girls were probably disappointed at the turnout of the male clientele at Scandallo. If there were 3-5 x as many girls as usual, there were probably only 2 x as many guys as usual in the club when I was there. The girl to guy ratio was probably 4 to 5:1. I was staying at a hotel that many of the F1 team was staying at and the hotel GM informed me that there were plenty of tickets available when I inquired about tickets for a friend. He said it was due to Red Bull having already clinched the cup so a lot of tickets are being resold. The season being "over" and perhaps F1 fans preferring to go visit Vegas, which is more glitzy, for the next race, probably lessened the crowd in Scandallo as well. Due to the above, I did not experience the expected double or triple pricing I've been told is the norm from past F1 weeks at Scandallo. The top girls did start off at R2000 to R3000 for an hour and R3000 to R6000 for overnight. My friends and I were able to easily negotiate hot tier 1 girls down to R800 to R1000 for an hour and R1500 to R2000 for an overnight, which was the norm during the summer. We also don't really negotiate too hard, so perhaps a "haggler" can get them down even more.

Glad to hear the prices were not too inflated. Sounds like it was a buyers market. In my opinion, lots of girls go empty handed during normal times and I bet it was worse during F1 week with 4+:1 ratio.

[Lalabo]

We grab a seat and drink more flirting. We agreed on a price of $400 reais one hour. She offers to receive payment in Pix or credit. She pulls out a small terminal from her purse.

Damn I considered it for a half second then thought if I swipe my card I might not be able to use the card in Prime, Tangar, or Miruna Clinica in the morning. Haha its the only reason I don't swipe thinking about the duplos in the morning. I changed and told her lets do cash, it's better. Our number is called, we are stumbling in the hallway to the rooms.

Off we go to the rooms down a long hallway, downstairs up other stairs, darn another maze of rooms. We reach the room.

In the room, she says to pay upfront. I responded not. For a few minutes, it was a Mexican standoff.

Having been in a similar situation in Tijuanaa Adelitas I offer a compromise. I pull $400 reais, count them out loud, and, together. I ask for her high heels shoe. Place the dinero underneath her high heel shoe on top of the cabinet. She can see the money is there and it's hers when the deed is done.

She agrees great it worked.

I also experience girls taking out small device to swipe card for payment. There is no way I would risk swiping cards in these devices, so I always pay cash.

I did refuse to pay upfront few times. Once girl settle for half the payment before and half after. With another girl I threatened to walkout which promoted her to quickly agree for payment after. Its definitely a hassle to negotiate payment after in Casarao. So, I have started paying upfront. So far so good but will see what happens in future.