Sao Paulo Reports

[Steve 9696]

Very recently I have been experimenting with audio to text and have not been very happy. The translations have been a nonsensical mess. If anyone knows of an audio to text app that works well, I for one would be interested in learning about it and how accurate it is.

I find google translate "conversation mode" to be quite good. Thifany and I used it if we had a complex discussion in London. I don't know how well it would work in a noisy club. I actually also use it to see if I am getting the accent or a word right. If I learn a phrase in Português I will say it in Portuguese to the app and see if the English is right. If so I know I am saying it nominally correctly.

[The Cane]

Whenever I visit Brazil, I always like to mix in something new with the tried and true. That's why I had to try out Chanes 57 Bar and Nightclub in Sampa. I had heard a lot about this place, especially shortly after it opened, but this was my first chance to stop by and have a look see for myself. I didn't expect much really. That had nothing to do with the place per se, but more with the fact that it was on a Monday night, which is typically a week night for line-ups, I don't care where in the world you are. But Monday was where I was willing to put Chanes 57 in the rotation, making sure that I would be saving the proven best for last.

There was no entrance fee or consumo fee. When you arrive, the girl in reception will give you a slip that has all of the prices for the various types of drinks on it. You write your name on the top of that slip, then you take it and go upstairs to where the bar is. As you order drinks and food throughout the night, the bartender will note on the slip what you consumed over the evening. When you leave, you present the slip to the receptionist downstairs, she totals up your bill, and then you pay.

I got there around 8 pm on a Monday night, and stayed for about 2 1/2 hours. I would say that there could not have been more than 15 girls on hand tops, with most of them falling in the 5 to 6 range per my standards. Needless to say, since I need at least a 7 out of 10 on my optics scale in order to be enticed to part with my money for a fuck, I did not session with anybody. I did spend a considerable amount of time talking to a girl named "Kris" though. She had kind of an "indio" look to her I thought, and was very nice and patient. We mostly communicated through Google translate on our smart phones. Bought her couple of drinks. She pushed for a third, but I said no. Had several Cuba Libres for myself. Ordered an appetizer which we both shared. And then we parted ways. She asked if I wanted to go to the room, but I said no.

When it was all said and done, as I said I chose not to session with anybody, but spent about 275 reals for the evening on food and drink, not including my taxi fares to and from the club. Based on this one experience, I would not return to Chanes 57. The overall condition of the bar area was OK, but I cannot comment on the rooms as I did not go with anybody. And even though it was a Monday, I am doubtful that the line-up would be that much better later on in the week. You just get a "sense" of a place you know, and my sense is that Chanes 57 is not where you go to run up on a bunch of hotties. More like mostly 5's and 6's. There was one mulatta there who was a solid 7 on my scale (maybe higher on somebody else's), but that was it in terms of attractive girls as far as I am concerned. Glad I checked it out though, and now I know for myself about Chanes 57. No need to wonder!

Slow start, but I'm just beginning my friends!

TC.

[Eszpresszo]

In this hobby, bad sessions are inevitable. Be it in a boate or a clinica or with an escort. I find its best to just chalk up the lost $, walk away and move onto the next hottie. Statistically speaking Brasileiras are probably the best providers in the world, so you just have to move on. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.

I couldn't agree more. I see it as a statistical reality and something to plan for, and work around. Based on my aggregate punting experiences in 7 different countries over the past four years, 1 out of 5 new girls I pick is going to be a bad provider. Out of those five there will be 1 or 2 that are mediocre, and probably 1 who is a stellar performer, even at the lowest of prices. I have come to accept that and now, if things get off to a bad start, I don't even bother to finish. A year ago in Bogota, with two different girls, I just cut it short, got up and got dressed due to bad service. The cost was negligible and at those times, it makes sense to go someplace else without making a fuss. No propina for you, chica. There are too putas in that town to settle for a lousy one.

I do agree with you about Brazileiras in regards to GPS. But, in hindsight I realized that 2 out 5 GPS I contacted on my trip, flaked out on our appointment. That's a common trait of their occupation, anywhere on the globe. Just one more obstacle to be prepared for and plan around. In cities like Sampa you have too many other choices for it to be of any consequence.

[Member #4732]

My understanding is that the boites and the hotels nearby (or next door really) legally need to be separate businesses in Brazil. That's why at scandallo you have to climb up that staircase to reach the hotel lobby. So if you complain about the service to the hotel staff they will say, talk to the boites and visa versa if you complain to the boite. Bad sessions and scams are just a part of the deal in what we do. So will, some won't, so what, next is the best philosophy..

I don't think its necessarily mandatory that there are 2 separate legal entities but I KNOW it is a strategy that the bigger boates use to avoid problems. There was a period when both Scandalo and Bomboa and Bahamas were all closed by the city. At that time there were not separate legal entities. When they reopened they initiated this "strategy" of having separate legal entities for the bar and the "hotel". So it is a good strategy for them. Now, that said, I don't think its "mandatory", its "strategic". I am not sure that Casaro is following that strategy because its not obvious if the part upstairs is a separate entity, it may be it may not be.

The clinicas are a different situation, not really worth discussing here haha.

Separate story. Today, I went to Redway. After my amazing session, I saw a fellow monger waiting in reception. I said "I am sure I saw you somewhere before". The reception said "Probably in Tangara". I laughed and said that Tangara is the center of the monger universe and that everyone is connected by only a few degrees of separation from everyone else via Tangara. We laughed. Then I got into my Uber for the ride home and amazingly the Uber driver turned out to be huge monger, a member of gp-guia and sure enough a client of Tangara.

[HarvestBoi]

My understanding is that the boites and the hotels nearby (or next door really) legally need to be separate businesses in Brazil. That's why at scandallo you have to climb up that staircase to reach the hotel lobby. So if you complain about the service to the hotel staff they will say, talk to the boites and visa versa if you complain to the boite. Bad sessions and scams are just a part of the deal in what we do. So will, some won't, so what, next is the best philosophy.

I initially thought exactly what you said. For legal reasons, the girls are essentially free lancers. Then I thought more about termas and clinicas where the girls are kind of a part of the brand. So just let's say the legal situation with prostitution in Brazil is complicated.

You're likely not going to get your money back for bad service in a boate. As you said Rovnak, you can point this out to management and if the woman has a history of such bad service they will likely prevent her from working at the boate.

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[WyattEarp]

I understand your frustration, none of us like to have a bad session, but actually the boate management cannot intervene into any dispute between the service provider and the customer, except perhaps in a case of violence or material theft. The service providers at Casarao and most of the boates are technically free lancers who have no formal relationship with the boate. They are not employees. Casarao does not receive any % of the "program", it makes its money exclusively from admission, bar tabs and room fees. This is partly for legal reasons since prostitution is legal but pandering is not. Yes, they collect the money at the cashier but they are effectively holding it for the provider. So management is never going to intercede in a dispute about "quality of service" at a boate. Its a totally he said she said situation, and its a buyer beware industry.

I initially thought exactly what you said. For legal reasons, the girls are essentially free lancers. Then I thought more about termas and clinicas where the girls are kind of a part of the brand. So just let's say the legal situation with prostitution in Brazil is complicated.

You're likely not going to get your money back for bad service in a boate. As you said Rovnak, you can point this out to management and if the woman has a history of such bad service they will likely prevent her from working at the boate.

[The Cane]

Any one uses the translator where you speak into the device and there is an audio translation for the listener? Sounds much better than typing.

Very recently I have been experimenting with audio to text and have not been very happy. The translations have been a nonsensical mess. If anyone knows of an audio to text app that works well, I for one would be interested in learning about it and how accurate it is.

[Turgid]

Any one uses the translator where you speak into the device and there is an audio translation for the listener? Sounds much better than typing.

[Member #4732]

I definitely didn't report any such thing happening. How did you arrive at this conclusion that I tried to finger her? Were you a fly the wall in the room?

May be she was so traumatized, as you stated, she treats a man touching or looking at any part of her body as fingering.

Any of my negative reports are not to garner any sympathy from anyone but to inform fellow mongers like me (gringos as you referred to) the way I expect others mongers to shared such incidents / girls / places.

We all move on alright. I think as part of monger community we should let inform each other so we enjoy good things and avoid bad ones.

Sorry, perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. I know you did not try to finger her. But you said that prior to going to the room she had said she did not allow it. Then in the room you said that she freaked out when she thought you were going to try it. I understand you did not try, but I believe you wrote that she thought you were going to. That is what I meant by a type of miscommunication that can cause a session to go from good to bad. I was not implying it was your fault. Just that miscommunications happen.

I had a session once at Bomboa, that was going extremely well, but at one point I was banging the garota from behind and I slapped her ass gently, just to test her reaction because some love it and some don't. It was a gentle slap, and yet this woman turned instantaneously from being into the session to being pissed. It ruined the session at that point and I ended it early because it was a bummer. There was not obvious explanation for her over reaction. But once the chemistry was broken it was not possible to repair. All I know is that the woman I was with was not a scam artist. Up to that point it had been an incredible session.

So all I was doing was suggesting that perhaps there was some innocent miscommunication involved in your case. You can choose to be pissed off at me. I was trying to be sympathetic while providing an alternative perspective.

Cheers.

[Lalabo]

I understand the frustration but reading your report it sounds to me like this was a case where the FIV was a showstopper issue and perhaps this provider has some previous trauma associated with that. Miscommunication happens. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.

I definitely didn't report any such thing happening. How did you arrive at this conclusion that I tried to finger her? Were you a fly the wall in the room?

May be she was so traumatized, as you stated, she treats a man touching or looking at any part of her body as fingering.

Any of my negative reports are not to garner any sympathy from anyone but to inform fellow mongers like me (gringos as you referred to) the way I expect others mongers to shared such incidents / girls / places.

We all move on alright. I think as part of monger community we should let inform each other so we enjoy good things and avoid bad ones.

[Lalabo]

Anyone know how Scandallo shows on your credit card bill? Is it discrete?

For me all the transactions were billed discretely.

[Member #4732]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I understand shit happens. But how management deals with it shows how professional they are. Then one could decide whether to give them a repeat business or not.

The point of sharing negative info here is to alert the reader to be on the lookout for such incidents. It becomes a trend when you see multiple negative reports about a place. Then it is easy to avoid such place. I encourage members to truthfully report positive or negative experiences. Learning about negative experiences are as useful, if not more, as positive ones.

I understand your frustration, none of us like to have a bad session, but actually the boate management cannot intervene into any dispute between the service provider and the customer, except perhaps in a case of violence or material theft. The service providers at Casarao and most of the boates are technically free lancers who have no formal relationship with the boate. They are not employees. Casarao does not receive any % of the "program", it makes its money exclusively from admission, bar tabs and room fees. This is partly for legal reasons since prostitution is legal but pandering is not. Yes, they collect the money at the cashier but they are effectively holding it for the provider. So management is never going to intercede in a dispute about "quality of service" at a boate. Its a totally he said she said situation, and its a buyer beware industry.

Another thing, some GPS love gringos but some do not really like the communication gap. So it is good to try to get a sense which type you are dealing with before going to a room.

In this hobby, bad sessions are inevitable. . Be it in a boate or a clinica or with an escort. I find its best to just chalk up the lost $, walk away and move onto the next hottie. Statistically speaking Brasileiras are probably the best providers in the world, so you just have to move on. I understand the frustration but reading your report it sounds to me like this was a case where the FIV was a showstopper issue and perhaps this provider has some previous trauma associated with that. Miscommunication happens. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.

As for clinicas being more receptive to complaints, I would say yes to a degree. Management will certainly listen to the complaint and factor that into whether they want the provider to remain on staff, but they are unlikely to refund your money unless there is a strong strong case. One time at Enjoy, I arrived late and I chose a girl that was about to leave for the day. I heard her say as much but I thought she would be interested in the extra $. But in the room she was somewhat cold. As I took a shower I thought about it and decided "nah, this is no good". So I dressed immediately, told her "sorry, but I can see you are not into this, I know you were ready to go home. I do not want to continue."I went to the desk and explained it to them and they refunded me. Now we had not begun any interaction and only 5 minutes had passed. The kicker is that this chick is an AznSafado "regular", I guess he spoiled her with his good looks and charm.

Anyway, glad the other parts of your trip were good.

[Questner]

At Lalabo, thanks man for a report. At Bourbon when booking double occupancy there should not be extra charge. Yeah, Rebecca is a good girl. As for charges, girls negotiate and will get as much as they can based on a visitor, and day of the week matters.

[Lalabo]

Bad experiences happens to locals also. In the local forum, of the last 20 reports, 13 were positive, 5 neutrals and 2 negatives. Some of the locals had also paid prices that, if reported here, they would be accused of overpaying.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I understand shit happens. But how management deals with it shows how professional they are. Then one could decide whether to give them a repeat business or not.

The point of sharing negative info here is to alert the reader to be on the lookout for such incidents. It becomes a trend when you see multiple negative reports about a place. Then it is easy to avoid such place. I encourage members to truthfully report positive or negative experiences. Learning about negative experiences are as useful, if not more, as positive ones.

[Lalabo]

Salaam Lalabo. Thanks for your great reports, very interesting.

I am sorry the staff at Casarao were so half-assed. You were clearly ripped off. At the same time it shouldn't be all that surprising. It is very rare to find good management in any club in the world. Typically the reasoning will be, "We are making a ton of money from this girl's business and this is a one-time tourist, so why should we bother protecting him?" Short-term thinking but people like to be lazy.

Furthermore Casarao doesn't claim to be anything special. It isn't a fancy club with managers coming up to you and asking if everything is alright. I mean look at the way some of the girls dress, pretty hardcore. In a scene like that you are expected to fend for yourself. (In Scandallo you might be led to expect more, so it would be all the more surprising if you were ripped off... which is still perfectly possible however!)

I go to Casarao sometimes, but I speak Portuguese. I wouldn't really recommend it to casual visitors, as some girls have been allowed to slide into the ugly habit of sharking tourists.

Hi Polyamorist. I agree with what you said. I have no illusions that these sort of things wouldn't happen. I am just screening places where it is worth spending my money.

Larger the sunk cost larger the expectation of return should be. In our case it is reliable service levels. As a tourist with considerable sunk cost in making these trips, I look for places providing reliable of service and fairer treatment to the extent possible. If a country / place doesn't offer me that then I will not be a repeat visitor.