Sao Paulo Reports

[The Cane]

Any one uses the translator where you speak into the device and there is an audio translation for the listener? Sounds much better than typing.

Very recently I have been experimenting with audio to text and have not been very happy. The translations have been a nonsensical mess. If anyone knows of an audio to text app that works well, I for one would be interested in learning about it and how accurate it is.

[Turgid]

Any one uses the translator where you speak into the device and there is an audio translation for the listener? Sounds much better than typing.

[Member #4732]

I definitely didn't report any such thing happening. How did you arrive at this conclusion that I tried to finger her? Were you a fly the wall in the room?

May be she was so traumatized, as you stated, she treats a man touching or looking at any part of her body as fingering.

Any of my negative reports are not to garner any sympathy from anyone but to inform fellow mongers like me (gringos as you referred to) the way I expect others mongers to shared such incidents / girls / places.

We all move on alright. I think as part of monger community we should let inform each other so we enjoy good things and avoid bad ones.

Sorry, perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. I know you did not try to finger her. But you said that prior to going to the room she had said she did not allow it. Then in the room you said that she freaked out when she thought you were going to try it. I understand you did not try, but I believe you wrote that she thought you were going to. That is what I meant by a type of miscommunication that can cause a session to go from good to bad. I was not implying it was your fault. Just that miscommunications happen.

I had a session once at Bomboa, that was going extremely well, but at one point I was banging the garota from behind and I slapped her ass gently, just to test her reaction because some love it and some don't. It was a gentle slap, and yet this woman turned instantaneously from being into the session to being pissed. It ruined the session at that point and I ended it early because it was a bummer. There was not obvious explanation for her over reaction. But once the chemistry was broken it was not possible to repair. All I know is that the woman I was with was not a scam artist. Up to that point it had been an incredible session.

So all I was doing was suggesting that perhaps there was some innocent miscommunication involved in your case. You can choose to be pissed off at me. I was trying to be sympathetic while providing an alternative perspective.

Cheers.

[Lalabo]

I understand the frustration but reading your report it sounds to me like this was a case where the FIV was a showstopper issue and perhaps this provider has some previous trauma associated with that. Miscommunication happens. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.

I definitely didn't report any such thing happening. How did you arrive at this conclusion that I tried to finger her? Were you a fly the wall in the room?

May be she was so traumatized, as you stated, she treats a man touching or looking at any part of her body as fingering.

Any of my negative reports are not to garner any sympathy from anyone but to inform fellow mongers like me (gringos as you referred to) the way I expect others mongers to shared such incidents / girls / places.

We all move on alright. I think as part of monger community we should let inform each other so we enjoy good things and avoid bad ones.

[Lalabo]

Anyone know how Scandallo shows on your credit card bill? Is it discrete?

For me all the transactions were billed discretely.

[Member #4732]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I understand shit happens. But how management deals with it shows how professional they are. Then one could decide whether to give them a repeat business or not.

The point of sharing negative info here is to alert the reader to be on the lookout for such incidents. It becomes a trend when you see multiple negative reports about a place. Then it is easy to avoid such place. I encourage members to truthfully report positive or negative experiences. Learning about negative experiences are as useful, if not more, as positive ones.

I understand your frustration, none of us like to have a bad session, but actually the boate management cannot intervene into any dispute between the service provider and the customer, except perhaps in a case of violence or material theft. The service providers at Casarao and most of the boates are technically free lancers who have no formal relationship with the boate. They are not employees. Casarao does not receive any % of the "program", it makes its money exclusively from admission, bar tabs and room fees. This is partly for legal reasons since prostitution is legal but pandering is not. Yes, they collect the money at the cashier but they are effectively holding it for the provider. So management is never going to intercede in a dispute about "quality of service" at a boate. Its a totally he said she said situation, and its a buyer beware industry.

Another thing, some GPS love gringos but some do not really like the communication gap. So it is good to try to get a sense which type you are dealing with before going to a room.

In this hobby, bad sessions are inevitable. . Be it in a boate or a clinica or with an escort. I find its best to just chalk up the lost $, walk away and move onto the next hottie. Statistically speaking Brasileiras are probably the best providers in the world, so you just have to move on. I understand the frustration but reading your report it sounds to me like this was a case where the FIV was a showstopper issue and perhaps this provider has some previous trauma associated with that. Miscommunication happens. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.

As for clinicas being more receptive to complaints, I would say yes to a degree. Management will certainly listen to the complaint and factor that into whether they want the provider to remain on staff, but they are unlikely to refund your money unless there is a strong strong case. One time at Enjoy, I arrived late and I chose a girl that was about to leave for the day. I heard her say as much but I thought she would be interested in the extra $. But in the room she was somewhat cold. As I took a shower I thought about it and decided "nah, this is no good". So I dressed immediately, told her "sorry, but I can see you are not into this, I know you were ready to go home. I do not want to continue."I went to the desk and explained it to them and they refunded me. Now we had not begun any interaction and only 5 minutes had passed. The kicker is that this chick is an AznSafado "regular", I guess he spoiled her with his good looks and charm.

Anyway, glad the other parts of your trip were good.

[Questner]

At Lalabo, thanks man for a report. At Bourbon when booking double occupancy there should not be extra charge. Yeah, Rebecca is a good girl. As for charges, girls negotiate and will get as much as they can based on a visitor, and day of the week matters.

[Lalabo]

Bad experiences happens to locals also. In the local forum, of the last 20 reports, 13 were positive, 5 neutrals and 2 negatives. Some of the locals had also paid prices that, if reported here, they would be accused of overpaying.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I understand shit happens. But how management deals with it shows how professional they are. Then one could decide whether to give them a repeat business or not.

The point of sharing negative info here is to alert the reader to be on the lookout for such incidents. It becomes a trend when you see multiple negative reports about a place. Then it is easy to avoid such place. I encourage members to truthfully report positive or negative experiences. Learning about negative experiences are as useful, if not more, as positive ones.

[Lalabo]

Salaam Lalabo. Thanks for your great reports, very interesting.

I am sorry the staff at Casarao were so half-assed. You were clearly ripped off. At the same time it shouldn't be all that surprising. It is very rare to find good management in any club in the world. Typically the reasoning will be, "We are making a ton of money from this girl's business and this is a one-time tourist, so why should we bother protecting him?" Short-term thinking but people like to be lazy.

Furthermore Casarao doesn't claim to be anything special. It isn't a fancy club with managers coming up to you and asking if everything is alright. I mean look at the way some of the girls dress, pretty hardcore. In a scene like that you are expected to fend for yourself. (In Scandallo you might be led to expect more, so it would be all the more surprising if you were ripped off... which is still perfectly possible however!)

I go to Casarao sometimes, but I speak Portuguese. I wouldn't really recommend it to casual visitors, as some girls have been allowed to slide into the ugly habit of sharking tourists.

Hi Polyamorist. I agree with what you said. I have no illusions that these sort of things wouldn't happen. I am just screening places where it is worth spending my money.

Larger the sunk cost larger the expectation of return should be. In our case it is reliable service levels. As a tourist with considerable sunk cost in making these trips, I look for places providing reliable of service and fairer treatment to the extent possible. If a country / place doesn't offer me that then I will not be a repeat visitor.

[Lalabo]

Day-3 (Saturday 8/31):

Landed in Foz do Iguazu airport. Iguazu natational park was very close to airport. I Ubered to Iguazu national park Brazilian side after storing my luggage in one of the lockers outside the arrivals building.

Park visit was a amazing. Speed boat ride + jungle safari was a blast! I got back to airport by 6 pm and Ubered to Bourbon business hotel in Foz do Iguazu town. Very nice hotel with great breakfast.

If it wasn't for Questner's report in Foz de Iguacu / Iguazu Falls thread detailing the various options available for fun activities I would not have ventured out to find such places. Thanks you Questner for very detailed and helpful report.

Boate Scorpion:

I got there at about 10:30 pm. I paid 80 BR entrance. I head them say all of it is consumable but I was wrong. Only 30 BR was consumable (at least that is how it ended up). I had certain exceptions for a Boate. This one is bit underwhelming. Main club is basically a house with 2 rooms converted into a club. Bar is located in 1st room. 2nd room is lounge area with seats / couches and a small stripper pole at one end. It looks very similar to some small size strip clubs in USA. In front of the building there is open area with few tables and a small pool at a distance.

They had 8-10 girls. 2 girls I would have considered for takeout: 1 pale skinned chubby blonde and the other was a cute brunette were already busy talking to other men. A more chubbier girl named Rebecca who spoke excellent English came and sat with me. I asked Rebecca about a blonde wearing a Santa hat sitting outside with few guys. Rebecca said that she is her friend and she could get her for me if I am interested in paying 350 BR / hour. Based on Questner's report I expected the price in the range of 250 BR. No big deal, I guess Rebecca decided to add extra tourist tax on me. Anyway I told her it would be rude on my part if I pull her from that group of men. She assured me those men were talking to her because they arranged a strip show with her and I could take her if I want. Then Rebecca went and spoke to the blonde and both joined me in the lounge. Blonde's name is Mel. She is pretty and unfortunately spoke no English. Rebecca turned into translator for both of us. Mel is 26 yo and mother of a child. I wasn't sure if I want commit to her so quickly. Luckily she did the strip show. I liked what I saw.

After the strip show Mel join me. I asked her if she would like to drink, she said yes. So ordered 3 JW blacks. I asked about Mel's services to which Rebecca replied she does everything with cover. Including BJ as asked. Yes, she answered. Ok that's not a deal break. I told Rebecca that I would pay 500 BR for 2 hours. She countered it with 450 RB for 2 hours. Sweet! Johnnie walker did his trick. I quickly accepted. It so happens Mel loves anal and it is included. The deal just got sweetened at not extra cost.

Rebecca insisted that I do it in the Motel next door to which I said no. She insisted I pay before. Casarao flashed by! I told them I would pay half first and half at the end of 2 hours. They agreed. Mel and I Ubered to my hotel.

She registered at hotel. There is a 50 BR charge for guest at Bourbon business hotel.

She provided one of the best experiences I had for a while. She made me feel like she is my girlfriend and 2 hours went by like a flash. Communication problem never interrupted the action. Deep, long french kissing, fantastic BBBJ (I have to keep it a secret from Rebecca) with lots of DT action. I had a long dining session at her V and O. Anal action was great.

I took her contact before she left so we could do the same next day which is Sunday. All the Boates are closed on Sunday in Foz do Iguazu. So make sure to make your arrangements on Saturday for Sunday.

I went to bed thinking about Mel.

Continued in part-5.

[Lalabo]

Note: Looks like it wasn't clear if I am reporting while in Brazil or not. No I am not in Brazil. I am back home.

Day-2 (Friday 8/30):

Clinic Prime:

Visited in the evening. 8-10 girls. Most of the lineup was same as yesterday except for few new ones. This time I didn't hesitate to make a note of girl names in my phone. I found the girl I missed yesterday and booked her for half hour. Her name is Larissa a 24 yo good looking girl. Room was very basic with nicer bath room and shower than Tangara. I played it safe: no kissing, CBJ and the usual CFS. Paid 170 BR.

Boate Bamboa:

Got to the club around 11 pm. Entrance fee is 250 BR. I don't remember how much of it was consumable. Front desk arranged an English speaking individual Micheal to look after me in the club. Maybe that is this club's norm to have someone take you inside the club and periodically check on you. Micheal took me to main bar and seated me next to a 35 yo tall woman from Rio. I chatted with her for sometime before I started making rounds to checkout rest of the club. One would see entire club sitting at the bar. They had live band playing but not too loud. They have tons of couches to relax and maybe chat-up with girls. There is a sushi restaurant in the premises if you are hungry.

There were at least 30+ girls. Few were pretty but the optics were nothing like Scandallo. One girl caught my eye so I went and talked to her. She is a Spaniard who spoke no English. I didn't feel like using app for entire conversation so I decided not to take her. After spending couple of hours I left the club with out doing any fun activities. I may visit this club in future trips.

For me it wasn't a bad day. Yes I only did one session. But I did walk around quite a bit in Moemo area to get a feel for the town. I walked to a restaurant in the evening had very good food.

Next morning I am off to Foz do Iguazu.

Continued in part-4 of the report.

[LeoAiolia]

Anyone know how Scandallo shows on your credit card bill? Is it discrete?

[Lalabo]

That's why I prefer the CLnicas.

I kind of agree with you based on my recent experience. Yes, in clinics, optics are much lower than than some of the Boates but with patience you can find decent looking ones. Clinics seem to provide certainty of services delivered where as you are at the mercy of girls at Boates.

You kind of promote the clinicas.

He may be. But clinics are perfect for tourists like me who doesn't want to kiss, and wants to do every thing else covered. They may work for others too.

[MixedSalad07]

How much did you pay for each of the outcall? Did you try to negotiate the price with the girls?

I'm trying to get an idea of how much it would cost to have twitter GPS to come over to my place instead of going to their place.

Thanks.

2 h for both. One was 600 + Uber, the other was 700 flat. I used what I would pay in a top end boate as a base line. Price is what was quoted in their initial msgs. Didn't haggle. Use gpguia to screen. Prices matched the reports there. Both had exemplary reviews. Surpassed my expectations.

I was satisfied and would repeat with each one.

[WyattEarp]

That's why I prefer the CLnicas.

You kind of promote the clinicas.