Sao Paulo Reports

[DonCarlos1234]

After talking to friends and reading profusely. Asking questions. I thought I was ready. But No where near! LOL.

Arrived far too early at GRU airport. No Uber cars or taxis available. Took a "black car" $175 brl. 1 HR 20 min ride near Casaro dowtown. Also claimed my card did not process. Another $40 usd stolen. Whatever – (fix later). Was too tired to deal. Airbnb check in took 30 minutes. Fortunately Google Fi worked to access my info and prove I had a reservation. JET LAG was more than I planned for. Coming from Vegas took 17 hours. I had to adjust my sleep patterns. Probably 12 hour difference as we sleep till Noon here. LOL.

The Airbnb was in a good location except I thought I had caught a cold. It turned out that the room, the bed sheets, were all heavily scented washed with chemicals and fabric softener. Had an allergic reaction feeling sick for 3 days staying there. Did not go to Casaro which was my plan. I elt drained. Ahh but not so much that the next day.

2nd Day another long Uber ride to Lushness Spa Analia Franco. To see Milaide. Rejected her when she arrived. Had gained 20 lbs. Took another named Julia. Her Photos not as good but in person well worth it. She says, "shall we make a mess?" and pours oil all over her body. It was a wonderful sight and a terrific experience rubbing, slathering her body on mine. She gave me her number although I didn't ask. Apparently I have had a sheltered life, missing out in Colombia, Mexico and the USA?

3rd day. I made it to Lotus Spa in Moma. I guess it was luck, fate or just that Brazil is amazing! It was the best blow job and close to the best sex of my life! So of course, I asked if she was interested in seeing Rio with me. She said yes but I only speak Portuguese. (Google translate works wonders) I said don't worry we will get you a sun hat (sombrero) a guitar and you can be naked the whole trip. Singing, we laughed. She said but I do have skills! (an understatement) She sang to me in Portuguese, naked. I have no idea what were the words but she sang well! And looked even better. Now I start to think, is this the way the women are here in Brazil? God bless this country. We exchanged numbers.

Off to Rio. Was in contact with 2 ISG guys but still adjusting to Jet Lag and feeling sick I never saw either. Sorry guys. I determined that Sao Paulo was going to require much more time investigating Clinics (this is actually part business, really it is) so I cut my trip to Rio down to only 5 days. I also thought let me take a vacy in Rio, avoid the girls and do lots of touristy things. I was sad that Neon would have to wait for my return and didn't call her.

Rio day 1 - Stayed at Premier Copacabana Hotel. 3 blocks from the ocean. Was kind of 50's classic design, nice place, ugly rooms, good service, multiple languages and great breakfast, hard beds but no allergies so I WAS HAPPY. I am sure I could have brought in guests but I did not care. Another minor problem, I cracked a front tooth loose. Dental wax for a temporary. Was afraid to smile. Got over it but damn. I figured Rio was for sightseeing anyway, not girls. The ocean air was exhilarating especially after Sao Paulo's Airbnb.

Day 2 Rio – went to Barra de Tijuca, Classico Beach Club and wandered the beach. It was a holiday so lots of people (too many) but not near as many as back in Copacabana En route back passed the Lake of Rio. Stopped in Centro at Selina Hostel ad back to the hotel.

Day 3 Rio Took Harbor Bay cruise, nice photo options. Beautiful coastline! Blurry but I think this was the night I went to Monte Carlo. 21 girls all ugly except one. Would not do BBBJ (I didn't care) she was very good looking. 8+ Gave me her number. After Sao Paulo this was boring. If she was the first girl I met, I would have been very happy. Now getting slightly spoiled in Brazil. But Rio was not going to be about sex anyway, Ha.

Day 4 – Sugar Loaf cable car. I am an artist / photographer and I appreciate beauty in all its forms. . I sat overlooking Rio for 2 hours. WOW. Great photos will last a lifetime.

Day 5 – maybe I lost a day? Went on their huge merry go round. View of downtown, favelllas and Christ the Redeemer. I took 25 Ubers in 6 days (so far) trying to see / do as much as I could.

Day 6 – flight back to Sao Paulo to a new / better Airbnb overlooking the river and skyline. I almost cried looking back over Rio. They put me in the front row seat by the window. I could have stayed there a lifetime (even longer with a travel companion) Nice flight attendant!

Next 6 days in Sao Paulo – another time consuming check in at Airbnb. Inside the view was better than expected. Huge TV, (I never watch TV, LOL) dysfunctional layout except the desk / balcony is glass enclosed overlooking most of Sao Paulo. Beautiful. Bed is extremely comfortable. And yes it's girl friendly – just never used that feature. I went to 6 Clinicas, plus Scnadallo. Went to Lotus a 2nd time and left from there to the airport (2 hours by Uber) during rush hour.

More to come plus photos, just it's 4:30 am in Vegas, time to sleep.

[HiddenEye]

Or maybe is to cover the orgasm screams when planes are landing! Hahahahahahaha.

My guess is it is a combination of the fairly central location and affordable rents because the low flying aircraft make it less desirable for residential use.

[Knowledge]

Yes, that's the one. It's my late afternoon favorite in Moema. I've had a bit of good luck there.

Enjoy Spa I guess you mean.

[Knowledge]

My guess is it is a combination of the fairly central location and affordable rents because the low flying aircraft make it less desirable for residential use.

A great number of Clinicas are located right in front of the Congonhas Airport Track.

But why? Is it because domestic travelers making time in between flights? Or real state and loud sound of airplanes landing?

What is your guess?

The truth is you can walk 7 of them in a one full day walking tour.

[Rio Fan 1]

I like the one behind the Burger King. The name escapes me now. There are indeed quite a few of them lined up as are the typical cabanas and no tell motels you find near every airport in Latin America.

Enjoy Spa I guess you mean.

[Knowledge]

I like the one behind the Burger King. The name escapes me now. There are indeed quite a few of them lined up as are the typical cabanas and no tell motels you find near every airport in Latin America.

A great number of Clinicas are located right in front of the Congonhas Airport Track.

But why? Is it because domestic travelers making time in between flights? Or real state and loud sound of airplanes landing?

What is your guess?

The truth is you can walk 7 of them in a one full day walking tour.

[HiddenEye]

A great number of Clinicas are located right in front of the Congonhas Airport Track.

But why? Is it because domestic travelers making time in between flights? Or real state and loud sound of airplanes landing?

What is your guess?

The truth is you can walk 7 of them in a one full day walking tour.

[Balboa]

I have done both and you can't even compare them. It's completely different leagues. In BA there are no Boates and clinicas. There's even not a great outcall scene imo. I was able to find two beautiful girls on Seeking Arrangements and had an amazing time. But others swear the BA girls on Seeking are stuck up. Active discussion on the Seeking thread on this. But for amazing P4 P SP can't be beat.

Very true that SP is amazing for P4 P, and way better than BA in that regard IMO.

However, a boate is open in BA now, actually has been open for a while.

Delirios, in Recoleta, near where the famous bar Newport used to be.

I've had luck recently in BA with an incall / outcall site an Argentine guy showed me.

Met a couple very sweet girls from Paraguay.

Again, I would choose SP any time over BA for P4 P, but some fun can be had in BA.

I'll probably write a report soon in the BA site about the club Delirios.

[Steve 9696]

You make very good point. I generally prefer Boates, Termas, Go Go's, Nightclub's and pick up bars over clinicas, prives, and Thai oily massage parlors for the very reasons you point out. Right or wrong, I believe that spending a little time flirting and getting to know a working girl before deciding to take her somewhere improves the overall quality of the session. A lot of guys think that is hooey. But I also really enjoy the flirting and drinking part, so yeah, why would I change something if I like it and it works really well?

Because, I also enjoy an occasional afternoon romp in one of my favorite clinicas with friendly girls that I probably would not see anywhere else. It is a different experience, more utilitarian, yes, but it can still be very good and even a GFE too. Some of these Clinca girls are truly amazing in this respect.

Anyway, the entire set up at a clinica is totally different from that of a boate. The girls work for the house. They are not independent contractors. There is no time or place for flirting and getting to know a girl in these kinds of venues, but places like Abboboro and Prime survive and make money on their reputations for having reasonably attractive girls, doing what they are supposed to do, satisfying customers, at a reasonable price. And because there is an implied level of service it boils down to, you are going to have a good time here with one of our girls. This different relationship between the clinica and it's employees replaces the need for the punter to establish a vibe with a girl before hand or even discuss prices and kinds of servce.

And let's face it, another key incentive to spend some afternoon time in Moema is that it ain't a bad thing to save a few bucks once in a while either. KKK. I have done a couple of SP trips in the past where I spent all my recreational time in the boates or with boate girls. It is a good way to go, I had a lot of fun, and spent a hell of a lot of money doing it, but I have also found that a little variety in the afternoon clincas breaks up my time and makes my trip even better. It is good to do both venues.

Of course we are all different but I am with Axel on this. I loooove the flirt and date part and affection (beyond sex). So there is this spectrum. Least interaction is a point and click Clinica girl. And most interaction is Seeking Arrangement type date where you have dinner and drinks first. Maybe even dancing. And sometimes they spend the night. Once you have a rapport with a girl you can spend a lot of time together that includes but is not limited to sex. In London last week spent two full days with a fave girl including 5 hours at the club. This is true GFE and some guys like me love it and others could care less.

Between the clinicas and Seeking lie the Boates and to a lesser extent the termas in Rio. You spend some time with a girl. Maybe even make out or dance for 20 minutes or more (my first Scandallo girl we danced and made out for two hours but that's prob exceptional).

Of course you can also convert a girl to a more "date" format if she likes you and is willing. More than a few times I've moved an agency escort off the books and gone on dates and overnights. Same thing with Clinica and Boate girls.

Final note is while Seeking is best for cities that don't have an active scene like SP you can still score some amazing girls. I had a 9. 5 in Rio on a Sunday (everthing closed) for a three hour date for R500. She was amazing. So def keep your options open.

[Knowledge]

You can hang out and "flirt" with the girls as long as you want in the flagship Vila Mariana clinicas Tangara and Yankin, among others. You don't get the mood lighting, music, and furnishings of the boates but in the end if the priority is sex well, you know where I'm going with this.

You make very good point. I generally prefer Boates, Termas, Go Go's, Nightclub's and pick up bars over clinicas, prives, and Thai oily massage parlors for the very reasons you point out. Right or wrong, I believe that spending a little time flirting and getting to know a working girl before deciding to take her somewhere improves the overall quality of the session. A lot of guys think that is hooey. But I also really enjoy the flirting and drinking part, so yeah, why would I change something if I like it and it works really well?

Because, I also enjoy an occasional afternoon romp in one of my favorite clinicas with friendly girls that I probably would not see anywhere else. It is a different experience, more utilitarian, yes, but it can still be very good and even a GFE too. Some of these Clinca girls are truly amazing in this respect.

Anyway, the entire set up at a clinica is totally different from that of a boate. The girls work for the house. They are not independent contractors. There is no time or place for flirting and getting to know a girl in these kinds of venues, but places like Abboboro and Prime survive and make money on their reputations for having reasonably attractive girls, doing what they are supposed to do, satisfying customers, at a reasonable price. And because there is an implied level of service it boils down to, you are going to have a good time here with one of our girls. This different relationship between the clinica and it's employees replaces the need for the punter to establish a vibe with a girl before hand or even discuss prices and kinds of servce.

And let's face it, another key incentive to spend some afternoon time in Moema is that it ain't a bad thing to save a few bucks once in a while either. KKK. I have done a couple of SP trips in the past where I spent all my recreational time in the boates or with boate girls. It is a good way to go, I had a lot of fun, and spent a hell of a lot of money doing it, but I have also found that a little variety in the afternoon clincas breaks up my time and makes my trip even better. It is good to do both venues.

[WonderWhy]

Wow what a whirlwind trip. Unfortunately I do not have any new girls to tell you about. I had dates (and it felt more like dates) with three girls that I met on previous trips. One from Photoacompanhantes, One from Casaro, and one from a clinic. All came to my hotel and stayed all night and most of the next day with me.

Part of the reason I am reporting this is to let everyone know that you can strike gold in many different ways. Sure there are some bait and switch on photo but I did two nights with my previously met one from there. She is not advertising now so I will not offer her. She was so excited to see me. She initiated love making 3 times the first night and twice the next day. I would not have believed I could do that! I met the Casaro one on New Years night this year. We met at the club, drank one drink and I told her I wanted her to come to my hotel. She said she was hungry and that she would buy her own sandwich. After I bought her out of the club she actually did buy her own sandwich and a soda for me. I was very impressed! Then she stayed all night even though the agreement was for 1 1/2 hours at the hotel. She was obviously excited to see me again and went out of her way to come to me and make my night wonderful. She revealed to me that the night we met was only her 4th night in SP. The one from the clinic appears to truly think she is in love with me. LOL but she does view me as a money tree.

I hope to be able to go for Christmas and New Years again this year. I will make a special point to visit the clubs and Clinics and give reports.

I met with two other ISGers and we had a wonderful sushi lunch. Hopefully we will be able to meet again.

[Sperto]

Hi Sperto, that's a wonderful question.

They are videos where you can see how the streets really look like (cars, bikes, buses running, garbage trucks, street vendors or people who look like, etc) and how it sounds like (loud airplanes at certain points). Google Street view gives you a muted frozen good approach yes. But video killed the radio stars, as the 80's song says.

No matter if I go to a hotel, restaurant, shop or puteiro I don't care about how the street look like. Many guys would go by taxi or Uber, others would go by metro or buses. When visiting a puteiro isn't like you enter a favela, you're just going to a specific address. Using Google Maps it's impossible to miss. If you really wants to attract clients you propably should have some videos from the inside of the puteiros. If not the girls at least the reception, lounge area and the rooms.

[Axel Heyst]

Thanks for your reply. My type is mostly a pretty face + big fat ass. Did it seem most of them had huge asses?

You think so? My guess is it's simply a way to make more money. Think about it, if you see the lineup in person and aren't interested in anyone, you leave (I would do that). If you don't see the lineup, you're essentially "tricked" into picking the best one off of photoshopped pics. A lot of guys end up banging the girl anyway, even if they're not THAT into her when she shows up in the room. You did it, I did it, most of us already did it. Also, those girls are not "seperate" when they're behind the scenes, they're probably all in one room on their phones / talking to each other.

I don't know about most of them having "huge" asses, KKK, but girls with pretty faces, large breasts, and large butts are a well-represented type in the Palms. I think you will find plenty of girls there in your target group to choose from.

Your theory that the house earns a net profit from its use of digital photos because some guys are more reluctant to walk after a girl enters his room, does not consider all the guys who are turned off by digital photo selection in the first place and do not go to these kinds of clinicas. Plus, there are a lot of guys who would walk if the girl was a letdown. So, I am not convinced this is a long-term money making strategy. We shall see.

[HiddenEye]

Hi Sperto, that's a wonderful question.

They are videos where you can see how the streets really look like (cars, bikes, buses running, garbage trucks, street vendors or people who look like, etc) and how it sounds like (loud airplanes at certain points). Google Street view gives you a muted frozen good approach yes. But video killed the radio stars, as the 80's song says.

And for those who want to see the streets that have been walked, it can be a nostalgic experience.

And most important, all our videos include chat time so you can ask specific questions to us, online, not only about clubs and clinicas also transportation, meals, local politics a seasoned traveler in Brazil can answer in four languages.

What's the difference from looking at Google street view?

[Axel Heyst]

Regardless of live or choosing from a tablet, the thing I hate about choosing from a lineup is that you can't talk to the girl first to see if there's any chemistry number 1. And then number 2, and maybe even more importantly, you have to choose before you know if the girl offers the services you want. It's just not the most customer-friendly approach, and I don't like it. I will always prefer those establishments where I can mix and mingle with the girls first before choosing rather than picking from a "cold" lineup.

You make very good point. I generally prefer Boates, Termas, Go Go's, Nightclub's and pick up bars over clinicas, prives, and Thai oily massage parlors for the very reasons you point out. Right or wrong, I believe that spending a little time flirting and getting to know a working girl before deciding to take her somewhere improves the overall quality of the session. A lot of guys think that is hooey. But I also really enjoy the flirting and drinking part, so yeah, why would I change something if I like it and it works really well?

Because, I also enjoy an occasional afternoon romp in one of my favorite clinicas with friendly girls that I probably would not see anywhere else. It is a different experience, more utilitarian, yes, but it can still be very good and even a GFE too. Some of these Clinca girls are truly amazing in this respect.

Anyway, the entire set up at a clinica is totally different from that of a boate. The girls work for the house. They are not independent contractors. There is no time or place for flirting and getting to know a girl in these kinds of venues, but places like Abboboro and Prime survive and make money on their reputations for having reasonably attractive girls, doing what they are supposed to do, satisfying customers, at a reasonable price. And because there is an implied level of service it boils down to, you are going to have a good time here with one of our girls. This different relationship between the clinica and it's employees replaces the need for the punter to establish a vibe with a girl before hand or even discuss prices and kinds of servce.

And let's face it, another key incentive to spend some afternoon time in Moema is that it ain't a bad thing to save a few bucks once in a while either. KKK. I have done a couple of SP trips in the past where I spent all my recreational time in the boates or with boate girls. It is a good way to go, I had a lot of fun, and spent a hell of a lot of money doing it, but I have also found that a little variety in the afternoon clincas breaks up my time and makes my trip even better. It is good to do both venues.