Sao Paulo Reports

[The Cane]

One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.

I have never experienced this in Brazil. I routinely am not approached by the few Afro-Brazilian girls that I see, and that's just fine with me because I'm not interested for the most part LOL! I go for the brancas and the morenas, and I did not have any problems in Rio or Sampa with either of those groups. The one rare time that I can recall being approached by an Afro-Brazilian girl was at Monte Carlo in Rio. I remember it because the situation was kind of funny to me. I was sitting in the boite and she came and sat next to me to make a move. Well, this really hot, bubble butt branca (my weakness) had the audacity to come and sit right in between us! Pissed the black girl off something good LOL! Oh, I remember a time at Termas 65 too. She asked me what I liked and I told her and no problems. She was cool and moved on to the next one. That's how it should be. Although, I did have a morena at 4 X 4 ask me why I was coming to Brazil "fucking all those white girls" LOL!

In Sao Paulo, of course at the clinicas it's not a matter of getting approached. The girls are presented to you one by one, and you choose. Now, in the night clubs it's another matter. At Bomboa, I was repeatedly approached by nothing but brancas and a few morenas. The place is mostly brancas, and I don't even recall seeing any negras in there. At Scandalo, I saw only one negra there. And, it was the kind of place where it wasn't so much about approaching as it was two people catching each other's eye and smiling, and sort of a mutual thing. You know? The place is so big. But when I did see somebody I had to have, I approached and no problem. Beautiful, tanned, dark-haired, caramel complected morenas. Milk white brancas with blue eyes and blonde hair. Got approached by a morena popozuda up in there LOL! I found Cafe Photo to be a place where a lot of girls did not approach. But, that just seemed to be more of the vibe of that place. But, I saw somebody I liked and approached her no problems. Squeezing and kneading on that big, phat, branca fanny in the club LOLOLOL! Yes sir! Went to another lesser known place and had a pretty, big booty white girl (the one in the clothed pic) straddle my lap face first in the club. We kissed so hard and so deep and so long that she literally gave me a hickey of the tongue hahaha! And that was before going to the room!

I don't know. I've just had zero problems getting what I want in Brazil, and have not had to work too hard at it with either the brancas or morenas. I'd say I'm an OK looking guy. Girls tend to find me "cute" and "smart-looking" LOL! That's what they tells me. And I look quite young for my age. One morena told me that I look Brazilian, whatever that means. Maybe that has something to do with it? I don't know. But not complaining. It is what it is! Hope it works better for you next time my man. I always get what I want in Brazil, including plenty of interracial anal! Hahaha! Yep, yep! LOLOLOL!

[WyattEarp]

Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.

I'm not exactly sure what happened to the infamous overnighter. In the 2000's, it was still very common. Sometimes the girls would sleep over / fuck you in the morning without whole lot of conversation. Call it a vibe thing that just occurred naturally with club girls or clinica/terma girls that you called after hours. The Brasileiras, while not being clockwatchers, are now more transactional.

I've traveled with buddies and witnessed the preferences. Being tall, blonde, handsome with light eyes made one a golden ticket (no pun) with the working girls. That's just the way it is.

[Member #4587]

I've been approached by very few black girls here. I'm thinking it's a status symbol / ego booster for them to be seen with a white dude. Plus, I'm short and look young for my age. My added side note is when I'm in these places there's no doubt in my mind that I'm in the top 5% - 15% percentile as far a disposable income / liquid assets / net worth, but these people only see black and fall back on their biased upbringing. And I'm not just talking about white chicks. I sense an enormous amount of self-hate within the Afro-Brazilians.

So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice-T told me (personally) once that US blacks use a "and" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.

Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.

[Kcrl01]

Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.

10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.

I take it you are black? So am I, but I speak Portuguese, my Portuguese is Carioca, so naturally the girls assume I'm a semi-literate Brasiliero. Until they ask where I'm from and I tell them EUA. Then I get compliments on my linguistic abilities. I'm somewhat of a cunnilinguist! My experiences have been some what the opposite in Sao Paulo. My company transferred me here almost 4 yrs ago. I've been approached by very few black girls here. I'm thinking it's a status symbol / ego booster for them to be seen with a white dude. Plus, I'm short and look young for my age. My added side note is when I'm in these places there's no doubt in my mind that I'm in the top 5% - 15% percentile as far a disposable income / liquid assets / net worth, but these people only see black and fall back on their biased upbringing. And I'm not just talking about white chicks. I sense an enormous amount of self-hate within the Afro-Brazilians. But then my preference is for those indigenous long dark haired types from the North with phat asses!

Smart move not buying the drinks, it's a scam. There are places that will charge BRL $ 30 - 100 for a Skol. In some low end establishments the girl can make almost as much off a drink as she can a program. What's up with these Nippo-Brasileiras? I had a regular in Rio from Sao Paulo a few years back who had breasts and ass like a sister. Just goes to show what happens when you substitute rice and beans for sushi. IMHO: Brasil had the widest pussy (pun intended) variety spectrum on Earth! I've been in so many different varieties and ethnic variations of pussy here I probably have the knowledge equivalent of a Doctorate in Philosophy in Genetics from MIT & for less the tuition costs!

Ten years ago USD $ 400 could get you a live-in babe in Rio for a week. Plus she'd cook, clean, fuck, suck, do your laundry, and still show you the nightlife. I concur on your assessment that Sao Paulo tops Rio. As far the girl pushing you away with her feet and the non negotiable ones, you need to factor in these women have no concept of customer service and client base building. IMHO; their objective is immediate gratification, their "marketing plan," is "smash and grab" as opposed to establishing a base of steady regulars. All they see is how much $$$ they can make off the guy they're talking to at the moment. Many travel from all over Brasil, they migrate between clubs in Rio & SP and points in between, and have no intentions of being back at that particular spot anytime soon. You've probably noticed that the turnover is very high.

I find that it's advantageous to try to determine if she's just a college girl trying to make her rent note or is she a dedicated pro. That in my opinion is the best barometer for good service. If she's a college girl I usually get the number and try to stay in touch. Dedicated pros are always around, takes minimal effort to find them.

Cheers!

[Kintaro18]

Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.

Kilt Shows.

There were a number of hot girls here. But pressure was on me as I was one of the first guys there early. After rejecting 2 dogs, I chose a short blonde. I booked a longer session with her. And I shouldn't have. Since the club is dark, I didn't see her nasty hairy legs. Also in 3 hours, she only gave me BBBJ once. And the session wasn't that great. She said she was 19. Maybe the inexperience was why she wasn't really that seductive. I wouldn't repeat. Although she did try to rip me off, and the guy at the front of the hotel part did refund me 100 reais after I showed him the google translate where we agreed on the price. It's of course no guarantee, but they do seem more fair towards men in Latin America than in the west. In the west (especially in places where it's illegal), girls will rip guys off and people will defend it, and the girls get away with it scott free.

Abbobora.

Massage parlor in Moema. It's OK. It's probably one of the better MP's there. They definitely had better looking women than any other MP I went to in Brazil. I chose a blonde, short tan girl. The action was good and she was nice. But I didn't like how she just awkwardly stared at me after the first pop. I would say we could've talked, but my Portuguese was a little weak, and she didn't speak English. Nice rooms, but the bed is low.

Cafe Photo.

Lots of hot girls here. Upscale looking place. I was unaware that the girls are not allowed to approach you here. But one approached me anyway and told me of this. Lots of white girls, and blondes. But I didn't like that they weren't allowed to approach, plus they laughed at me so I left.

Bahamas Club.

Went here on the first night. Some girls are hot, but most aren't. Staff is cool and one of the guys speaks English and will show you around. Facilities are top notch as they have a pool table, and a pool. I approached one girl for a game of pool. But she quit after I didn't buy her a drink. If she's going to be that rude, then I don't want her company anyway. At first only the dogs approached me. Not fair. It was like that for about 2 hours. Then finally a young white girl approached me for a session. 1 HR- 400 reais. She had a pretty open menu. But at one point I felt rushed during the session. One thing I hated was during mish, she used her feet to push me away! Strange. I have never had any woman use her feet to push me away during sex. I would've talked to her about it, but my Portuguese wasn't strong enough and I didn't want to use google translate for that. After it was over, we had at least 20 minutes left, but I was so mad about her pushing me away, I just left. I regret not complaining about it before I left. I don't know her name. She was a young, thin white girl with black hair.

I went back again and didn't have a session this time. There was a hot brunette who I tried to make a deal with for a longer session. I was going to take her back to my hotel. But the deal breaker was she would not negotiate at all. I thought this was Brazil? She said 1200 reais. I said 1000. No. Then I said 1100. No. Since she wouldn't budge at all, I gave it a miss. The hot voluptuous blonde was stuck up and made no effort with me. Aside from that only ugly girls wanted me.

Zeus Bar.

Very close to Bahamas club in Moema, and the mall. English speaking host greeted me at the door and showed me the place. Not too many hotties there that night. Initially had my eye on an athletic Latina, but when she saw me, she gave me no play. I ended up doing a 3 some with a mixed Brazilian / Italian and a hot, young, Japanese woman with a nice body. The Italian girl spoke English too so she translated. The Japanese lady was darker and she was way hotter than the Italian / Brazilian girl. I regret not just doing the session with the Japanese girl. Also since I got 2 girls, they charged me double the hotel rate. I mentioned it later to management, and he said to call him. But when I called, there was no answer. So of course most of the action was with the Japanese lady, and it was good with her. But the downside was these girls only offered CBJ, so I skipped it. Also the Italian girl had a bad attitude. She was combative and liked to argue. I think she might ironically hate men a little bit too. I told her I'm from the USA Where this is illegal. And she said "hey maybe I should move there, because I won't have to have sex with the guy". She then bragged about how back in Italy, guys would pay just to talk to her. That trip was a fantasy for me. I'm from somewhere where it's illegal. And it's hard to get girls. That was cold and a little mean, and inconsiderate of her to say that to me. She also said that if you don't buy a drink for a girl, that means you don't appreciate her time. That's not true at all. So hundreds of dollars for just 1 hour isn't appreciative of your time? I hated her after that. She's blonde, spent time in Italy. If you run into this girl, dismiss her or run!

Connection.

This is a cool place. The driveway to their parking lot looks like something futuristic you'd only see in the movies. Big place too. They have a restaurant, 2 stages, and a place where you can gamble and play cards. After I rejected a few unattractive ones, a hot one finally talked to me. She spoke English too. A cute black girl with a nice body. I don't usually go for black girls, but she looked real good. You can tell she goes to the gym. The room is plain looking compared to the rest of the place. The session was good. Afterwards I wanted to see another girl, but to no avail. They didn't seem to want it as much as the first one. Plus 2 of the girls had hairy legs. They charged me 2 entry fees even though they weren't supposed to. I called and the manager said he will give me free entry next time. If I go back. I was actually planning to go back, but it didn't pan out.

Caster Club.

Big club atmosphere. No one here speaks english BTW. For the most part, the girls here don't look too good. I only saw a few I was interested in. And they left before I could talk to them. So I ended up leaving without a session.

With the quality of the mongering scene decreasing drastically in the west over the past 5 years or so, Brazil is probably now one of the better places in the world to do this. Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.

[Kcrl01]

Maybe I'm an idiot but I walked Sampa at night, late at night. I would notice if anybody was following me. I walked to one of the true hip-hop / rap clubs in Sampa, about 2 mile walk from Pinheiros district which was where I was staying.

You flew all the way to Brasil to listen to hippie hoppy / rap music? Next you're going to tell us you've never missed a Rock and' Rio! LMBAO!

[AltoBomGosto]

I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.

Clinica Tangara, rua Tangara 200 is a good option. Also Vani's Way, Red Way and clinica Yankin are good options. PM me for details.

ABG.

[WyattEarp]

The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna.

And whatever you do, don't get a massage at a termas no matter the price. What you will likely get is an older woman wiping warm oil and then warm water on your back. It's not really a massage, but rather a warm cleansing.

[Exuma Stealth]

Scandalo, Bomboa, Casarao for Boates. Just google it. Key it right into Uber. Not challenging.

Steve 9696 thanks for the respond but what the fuck am I using right now *******! How would I know what to look for if I don't at least have a name, I can use Google map from there so I can have a visual of the surrounding area I great memory that way. Again thanks for your help.

[Steve 9696]

I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.

Scandalo, Bomboa, Casarao for Boates. Just google it. Key it right into Uber. Not challenging.

[FRobertson]

So, I will be in SP on Dec 30 and then for a week or two after that.

What's a good way to get a girl for the New Year's eve + day? Maybe a non-pro, or a date, or something similar? What are the dating sites that a fat, old, ugly foreigner could peruse?

[Exuma Stealth]

I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.

[AltoBomGosto]

I have lived in both Rio and SP. The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna. Otherwise, the only real difference is that in the termas the men change into a bathrobe and then hang out in the "bar" in their bathrobe. I cannot recall if the girls in the termas in Rio are still allowed to wear bikinis or not. Once upon a time the girls in the SP boates could wear bikinis but then they were forced to wear evening dress. I honestly don't recall if Rio termas still wear bikinis. I stopped noticing the differences be / t the termas and the boates after about the 2nd visit. The first time its a bit of a rush to wear a robe, it feels like a throwback to ancient Rome. But its really not a big deal. The termas in Rio are much smaller than the big boates in SP, the biggest termas 4 x 4 is probably 1/5 the size of scandalo or less. Scandalo is just huge. The termas are a bit cheaper though.

In summary, I would not go to Rio just to experience the "termas". I would go to Rio for other reasons, like wanting to see Rio, the beach, or because I wanted to see more mulatas, Rio tends to have more women of color.

Rovnak, you are absolutely right, I also lived in Rio and SP, the Termas in Rio de Janeiro lost a lot as regarded to garotas.

But I have to admite that there are more and better mulatas in Rio.

I like more the CLínicas like Tangara in SP and BEL PRAZER In Rio.

[Member #4732]

OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.

As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.

I have lived in both Rio and SP. The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna. Otherwise, the only real difference is that in the termas the men change into a bathrobe and then hang out in the "bar" in their bathrobe. I cannot recall if the girls in the termas in Rio are still allowed to wear bikinis or not. Once upon a time the girls in the SP boates could wear bikinis but then they were forced to wear evening dress. I honestly don't recall if Rio termas still wear bikinis. I stopped noticing the differences be / t the termas and the boates after about the 2nd visit. The first time its a bit of a rush to wear a robe, it feels like a throwback to ancient Rome. But its really not a big deal. The termas in Rio are much smaller than the big boates in SP, the biggest termas 4 x 4 is probably 1/5 the size of scandalo or less. Scandalo is just huge. The termas are a bit cheaper though.

In summary, I would not go to Rio just to experience the "termas". I would go to Rio for other reasons, like wanting to see Rio, the beach, or because I wanted to see more mulatas, Rio tends to have more women of color.

[Member #4732]

Paraiso is okay, but if it's not mentioned it's likely not a ideal location. Read the comment string I cited first. It was a very good (sometimes heated LOL) exchange that covers the things to think about when choosing a SP location.

While Jardim Paulista (in Jardins) might be hotel-centric with higher rates and Moema (many clinicas) has few hotel options, AirBnB makes all these neighborhoods available at reasonable rates. Uber and the subways bring these places closer so you can stay in one and easily visit another. A member recently discussed Itaim Bibi which is an area with plenty of restaurants and nightlife.

Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.

A forum member recently stayed at the Moema Times Square in Moema and I am pretty sure he was fine with it. There is no shortage of Hotels in Moema, I know of at least 5 clustered around the Moema Metro station. Some visitors have complained about airplane noise. That may be a showstopper for some. But if that is not a concern then there are multiple hotel options. I personally stayed at the Mercure Times Square for over a month 10 years ago and I never noticed any plane noise at all while I was in the building.