Sao Paulo Reports

[Knowledge]

Avenida Bandeirantes sections near Moema and Campo Belo are pretty much lined with them.

Hey gents,

Anyone can rec some good love motels in Moema, Campo Belo or its surrounding areas (near metro stations). I am not looking for anything fancy, just clean and comfortable. Thanks.

[UniversalX]

The only way to avoid the take out / saida fee is if the girl is finished with her shift and meets you after. She can either meet you at your hotel, your Airbnb or a love motel. I had one girl meet me around the corner from Scandallo! She only worked there for 1 week and hated them making extra money that she felt they didn't deserve. And she was a smart cookie, as I ended up giving her more than our agreement, as I saved on Saida fee.

SNY,

Thanks for the detailed and very informative reply. I appreciate your knowledge and perspective. I agree with you on outcall, to me it far exceeded in-house experiences. In-house experiences to me always seem rushed.

[CCRider1008]

I do find that for extended dates, the price drops a lot. If a girl wants ask for R1,000 for an hour, she would do R1,200-1,500 for 2-4 hours. And R1,500 to R2,000 for overnight or even full 24-hours. And they will even give you additional discount if you do multiple days. Like R3,500 for a full 2 day weekend or R5,000 for 3 days. I've never tried to see a girl for more than 3 days so no experience there.

That is general Brazilian hooker math. The smart ones know that's probably what they will make at most anyway as they aren't going to be pulling clients hour after hour, and they get to have a more relaxing day working. The smart ones also know you are paying for the meals (and maybe taking them to fancy restaurants they normally don't get to experience) and taking them out around town and showing them a good time. One of their "gifts" you are also giving them is the experiences with you being their guide to a world or scene they are not normally accustomed or have access to.

Unless you are taking them to McDonald's and mad fucking them every 2 hours for 2+ hours marathon sessions at a time! Although, there are nymphomaniac girls that might want the latter. I've met a few including one from 3 nights ago in Rio who wanted to stay in and just fuck and fuck and fuck. She was amazing got a 2nd pop out of me within 30 min of the first. When she tried to get a 3rd, I had to fake it after 15 min. And I think she knew as I saw a slight disappointed expression!

I'm with you on hotel versus club. In regard to the pricing model, my goal would be a couple hours, multiple fucks. I assume she is giving you the tiered pricing upfront before you tell her how many hours you want. In Asia I would typically go one hour then ask her to stay and tell her what I'd give for another hour or two after we fucked for the first time (otherwise you just get response of double for two hours etc. If ask upfront). At that point she sees I've complemented and treated her well; and was more than willing to stay at much reduced rate.

Outside the boates, any scam free escort services or boards recommended for SP? Most of the threads here tout SP Love, but the girls look heavily photoshopped. Has anyone used PhotoAccomphantes verified profiles only with any luck in SP? These internet sites aren't my first or even second choices but it's good to have reasonably reliable backup.

[DonMoscow]

Does anyone know how a girl splits fee with the house? Say it cost 200 R an hour, how much the house keeps and how much she takes home?

[DonMoscow]

Hey gents,

Anyone can rec some good love motels in Moema, Campo Belo or its surrounding areas (near metro stations). I am not looking for anything fancy, just clean and comfortable. Thanks.

[RealShaun]

Your right. Depends how your feeling that night. If I do a viagra, then she is getting the full pipe for at least 4 hours, so an outcall is justified. Or sometimes, I just want to test ride that thang, so an incall would be justified. Either way, its good times.

For me, the positives of an outcall outweighs in-house by a mile. But that's based on my hobbying style. You could be like my friend who just want the convenience of quick session then and there. Even then you are paying more than vs. An outcall.

I do find that for extended dates, the price drops a lot. If a girl wants ask for R1,000 for an hour, she would do R1,200-1,500 for 2-4 hours. And R1,500 to R2,000 for overnight or even full 24-hours. And.

Thank you for a very interesting commentary / report. I agree 100% with you. But we all are different.

[RealShaun]

Whats up Kazeu. Its about $40 to $55 US each person. They test for all the main STDs. I will spend a month in Jardins, so its worth it since I will be getting with my GFE's. In my longer trips, when I stay I don't have the energy to hit up Scandallo everynight. LOL some nights, I just want to chill with a nice GFE and BBFSCIP with Netflix, done, and take a nap. LOL.

Great information RealShaun. What kind of tests do you usually get and how much does it cost at these clinics?

[Explorer69]

For me, the positives of an outcall outweighs in-house by a mile. But that's based on my hobbying style. You could be like my friend who just want the convenience of quick session then and there. Even then you are paying more than vs. An outcall.

I do find that for extended dates, the price drops a lot. If a girl wants ask for R1,000 for an hour, she would do R1,200-1,500 for 2-4 hours. And R1,500 to R2,000 for overnight or even full 24-hours. And.

Thank you for a very interesting commentary / report. I agree 100% with you. But we all are different.

[SocratesNY]

Op's question not answered. Anyone know? Is there any way to get around the fee?

The only way to avoid the take out / saida fee is if the girl is finished with her shift and meets you after. She can either meet you at your hotel, your Airbnb or a love motel. I had one girl meet me around the corner from Scandallo! She only worked there for 1 week and hated them making extra money that she felt they didn't deserve. And she was a smart cookie, as I ended up giving her more than our agreement, as I saved on Saida fee.

If she tells the club she is leaving with a client, even though she is done with her shift, the club will still make you pay a saida fee. I had a newbie do that.

You aren't required to buy drinks or food for the girls. I see few guys buy drinks for girls at Casarso. Not buying a drink for a girl stands out more in Scandallo though. I think a drink is a small price to pay to take up her time to chat. A drink can get you 30-60 min with a girl. I usually don't offer to buy a drink right away. If I am interested in a girl, I would chat her up for about 5 minutes. If she passes the initial interview / chat, then I buy her a drink to talk more. If you have a bottle or a bucket of beers, you can also offer her from your "stash" I do find most girls drink gin with a mixer. Usually redbull tropical. So often times I have a bottle of gin for them and a bottle of single-malt for me.

There are a few low-class girls who will hit you up for a drink on introduction so I blow those off. One time a girl spilled her drink near my friend while walking by and asked him to get her a replacement! He doesn't even know her and hasn't spoken to her. And she almost spilled the wine on his pants! WTF!

I usually save offering food after I've spent awhile with a girl and have locked her down for the evening in terms of an overnight agreement. Other times I might offer food, if I am eating in the restaurant and a girl I am interested in chats with me a bit there.

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So, what you and others are saying is there is No Price Reduction (Discount/Lower Rate) from a Scandallo (or Boate girls in general) to meeting them outside of Boate (day / evening). So, if no discount why bother to meet outside? What advantage? [I]It would seem that a discount should be had but I understand if girls want to hold pricing the same whether inside or out.

It would now seem that your costs now increase since you're now providing for food / snacks / dinner / drinks / transportation and any other miscellaneous costs in addition to base rate. Not to mention upsell for more time or special x request. Again, why bother just do in Boate and forget outside since No advantage??

From my experience, there isn't much of a price reduction to seeing them outside. I prefer seeing girls for overnights or full 24 days, but do occasionally see them for 2-4 hour dates during the day.

Here are what I consider the pros and cons to seeing a girl outside:

1. I get to fuck in the comfort of my own room, with more space, better lighting, in a bed that some other guy hadn't fucked in 15-30 min ago. Depending on venue (hotel, Airbnb, love motel), there can be additional amenities that are positives (room service, amazing themed rooms, private pools, stripper poles, balconies to smoke at, etc.).

2. You save on the exit / saida fee (R300 at Scandallo) if you aren't taking them out right away and agree to meet up later. If are doing a short time meeting at your place, you also save on the in-house hotel fee, which can add up if you need more than 30 min to an hour (R250 per hour at Scandall). Even at 1 hour, you are saving money if you pay for the girl's Uber both ways.

In your example comparison where dinner, drinks snacks are considerations. It would seem to imply that it's going to be at least 24-hour date. So to do that in-house, that's a hefty in-house hotel bill, where they charge by the hour. The food, whether eating in the restaurant before going to the room or doing room service from their restaurant isn't cheap either.

3. As for transportation, Uber is super cheap in Brazil. Not all girls ask for Uber fee. Some ask for both ways, some just for return, and some none at all. And she is wasting time to travel to you and back home. She is also spending additional time getting ready JUST FOR YOU! She could be spending upwards or 2-3 hours extra time on top of your "fun time" just to see you! Finally, you get the convenience of the girl coming to you so YOU save time!

A lot of these benefits might not be useful for you or other guys. One of my friends would find very little value in almost all of the above.

He usually only does 30 min sessions and only do 1-hour sessions if it's the minimum time. He doesn't care much about socializing with the girl or chatting them up. He doesn't care much for foreplay or fooling around before. He doesn't care about taking a girl out for a meal. He doesn't care about taking a girl out to a dance club, swing club, or have her be his tour guide around town. You can't do any of the above "in-house". He just want a convenient fast fuck and then to get back to the boys to hang and drink until he wants another.

There are lots of other benefits not tied to economics of seeing a girl outside of the boate.

1) They usually are in a more relaxed mood, especially if you are staying in a nice hotel / Airbnb, such as a hotel suite or a penthouse Airbnb. Some love hotels are also amazing in this way. You are also their first and possible only client of the day depending on the time and duration of meeting so you aren't getting sloppy seconds or thirds for the day. If it's an overnight or full day date, they aren't stressed about trying to make whatever their daily quota is and can just relax with you. It's also easier for them (and you too) to pretend it's just a GF or friend with benefits you are hanging out with.

2) As you control the venue, there is less chance of a scam. They can't cry to the club that you broke the agreement and have the club security force you to pay, etc. There is no way hotel security would take her side, especially if you are a frequent loyal customer.

I had one girl try that with me by insisting I pay her first. I told her I don't do that she can leave if that's her rule. She said I wasted her evening and that if I didn't pay her full overnight full rate, she'would call hotel security and the police. I called her bluff and picked up the phone and told her to hit 0 for reception. She quickly tried to take that back and salvage the date by first asking if I can pay half now and the rest later. I still refused and she finally said she would be okay with me paying after, but my mood was gone by then so told her to just leave and I will pay her for her time for dinner and at the club based on a prorated amount for our overnight date. She had been doing a lot of other drama queen BS before us going back to the hotel so this was the last straw for me. Pulling the security and police card.

She was among the hottest girl at Scandallo with some English skills so very popular. She also can be quite charming and elegant when she wants to be. She probably gets away with a lot of shit due to her beauty, but I was at my limit with her. Her name is Maria, although there are other Maria's at Scandallo. She looks like a hot sexy Tiffany Amber Thiessen with a great smile, dimples and a rocking body. I don't mind saying her name as she ended up being one of the few bad experiences I had in Brazil. A shame she was also top 3 or 5 in looks too. She might be a good in-house girl and it's always YMMV in this game. I did test drive her in-house first due to her very high rate and she performed well there.

3) You get to fuck at the venue and environment you choose. You get to fuck in a cleaner room, a room where a stranger hasn't fucked in just earlier. You might have a nicer, bigger, higher, more study bed, with more pillows and better linens. You might have a nice suite with a tub, jacuzzi or big rainfall shower to fool around and even fuck in.

I had a room in Lush with its own private pool, private tanning area and stripper pole. We started with her dancing on the pole, then some lap dances, then fooled around in the pool, then relaxing on lounge chairs smoking a joint she rolled, and then fucked there under the retractable ceiling. We then fucked in the big super large comfortable bed with disco lights providing ambiance. And then fucked again under the rainfall shower.

Another time, I was in a big hotel suite with a balcony, full kitchen, living room, a jacuzzi and the largest rainfall shower I've ever seen in a hotel, all with a view of the bridge they call the Postcard of Sao Paulo. Suffice to say, we fucked all over the suite, from the balcony outside to the living room sofa to the dining room table, with her up against the floor to ceiling windows, in the jacuzzi, the humongous shower. The most boring place we did it was on the bed!

4) You have more control over the time and duration of your meeting, so you can schedule a meeting right after work, during lunch or before / after meeting friends for dinner. I've had friends had girls come over when they were working for a Zoom call BJ fetish they wanted to satisfy. I am too chicken shit to do that, but it's on my bucket list too!

5) You get more time to develop chemistry and click and for her to be comfortable and for you to make your moves. It also gives more time to put the Japanese dating technique that Steve 9696 refers to in the SA thread. This can yield substantially better service from the girl as she feels she is with a new BF. I've had a girl who my friend saw previously and said was super dry, but was super wet for me. I've had BBFS from a girl who didn't do BBBJ to a friend on a previous visit. I've had girls who offer anal when she doesn't generally offer it to others, I've had girls who provided above average service in house turning into a tigeress in bed on our outcall pernoite date. You just get more time to get your game on.

The only benefits I see about doing it in-house is if you want the following:

1) Convenience of doing it then and there.

2) Wanting to just do a test drive of a girl before considering seeing her outside.

3) You want the option of going back down to chill with friends or by yourself and get a 2nd girl. Or a 3rd girl later.

4) You want to charge the girl's "donation'present'value" on your credit card, as the boate can do that for you with a 10% markup.

5) You don't like having a girl in your room or sleep in your bed or fuck in the bed you sleep in.

6) You don't want to take the time to "ho-proof" your room.

7) You want to be more discrete, as it can be easier for her to find out your idenity. As some hotels leave welcome gifts with your name or the hotel staff might address you by name, etc. But the reverse can be true as the boate can give up your info. Too. If you make an arrangement for a meeting outside of the club and you take precautions, you get the best of both in terms of discretion.

8) You are staying in a hotel with non-hobbying friends, family or colleagues and don't want them to see you with the girl.

9) You are shy and concerned about the awkwardness of potentially having to register the girl as your "guest". But that's a positive for me, as she knows her identity is recorded so she will be on her best behavior and won't try to drug you and steal your shit. But that's mostly for Colombia, as it's not really a thing in Brazil.

10) You are staying in an Airbnb or hotel that isn't girl friendly, but Sao Paolo hotels are like 99% girl friendly. Can't comment much on Airbnb, but for hotels, you won't have issues as long as your reservation is for 2+ guests and you guys aren't coming back wasted, causing a scene and she is dressed a super skank.

I've personally found the following Sao Paolo hotels to be girl friendly: Fasano (both), Emiliano, Tivoli, Rosewood, Hotel Unique, Renaissance, JW Marriott, Grand Hyatt. My friends have said the following are also girl friendly: Hilton, Sheraton, Pullman, Grand Mecure, Bourbon.

For me, the positives of an outcall outweighs in-house by a mile. But that's based on my hobbying style. You could be like my friend who just want the convenience of quick session then and there. Even then you are paying more than vs. An outcall.

I do find that for extended dates, the price drops a lot. If a girl wants ask for R1,000 for an hour, she would do R1,200-1,500 for 2-4 hours. And R1,500 to R2,000 for overnight or even full 24-hours. And they will even give you additional discount if you do multiple days. Like R3,500 for a full 2 day weekend or R5,000 for 3 days. I've never tried to see a girl for more than 3 days so no experience there.

That is general Brazilian hooker math. The smart ones know that's probably what they will make at most anyway as they aren't going to be pulling clients hour after hour, and they get to have a more relaxing day working. The smart ones also know you are paying for the meals (and maybe taking them to fancy restaurants they normally don't get to experience) and taking them out around town and showing them a good time. One of their "gifts" you are also giving them is the experiences with you being their guide to a world or scene they are not normally accustomed or have access to.

Unless you are taking them to McDonald's and mad fucking them every 2 hours for 2+ hours marathon sessions at a time! Although, there are nymphomaniac girls that might want the latter. I've met a few including one from 3 nights ago in Rio who wanted to stay in and just fuck and fuck and fuck. She was amazing got a 2nd pop out of me within 30 min of the first. When she tried to get a 3rd, I had to fake it after 15 min. And I think she knew as I saw a slight disappointed expression!

[Kazeu]

Great information RealShaun. What kind of tests do you usually get and how much does it cost at these clinics?

Typically, I stay in Jardins. Inside the Jardins Hospital there is clinic that conducts these rapid tests. You can do the same if you are Moema, or wherever else. First go to the hospital, ask for the service, and if they do not provide it they will give you the address close by to do so. However, Jardins and Moema hospital has a clinic inside. Go early!! Since this is a not an emergency, which it is an emergency for us because we want to fuck ASAP LOL, but for them they will make you wait. So go early, 8 am or so. Otherwise, if you go in the afternoon you will wait a few hours. You get results on the spot. Either you will both be leaving together in a taxi, or you will be sending her home. Either way, its a win win for you. Good luck.

Hospital Jardins, are. Artur de Azevedo, 1659 - Pinheiros, So Paulo. SP, 05404-013, Brazil.

[RealShaun]

Typically, I stay in Jardins. Inside the Jardins Hospital there is clinic that conducts these rapid tests. You can do the same if you are Moema, or wherever else. First go to the hospital, ask for the service, and if they do not provide it they will give you the address close by to do so. However, Jardins and Moema hospital has a clinic inside. Go early!! Since this is a not an emergency, which it is an emergency for us because we want to fuck ASAP LOL, but for them they will make you wait. So go early, 8 am or so. Otherwise, if you go in the afternoon you will wait a few hours. You get results on the spot. Either you will both be leaving together in a taxi, or you will be sending her home. Either way, its a win win for you. Good luck.

Hospital Jardins, are. Artur de Azevedo, 1659 - Pinheiros, So Paulo. SP, 05404-013, Brazil.

What clinic do you use in SP for STD testing? How long does it take to get the results?

[HiddenEye]

Every city, big or small, industry, beach front, has the moteis zone, so you can find love moteis for every budget, with big signs on the roads. From obscure basic ones, fetiche themed, till entire bungalows with every imaginable pool, cascade, showers, jacuzzi, pool bar, steam and dry saunas, etc.

This is because midclass brazilians live mostly in small apartments, and making s*x can be uncomfortable for the rest of the family. Lovers need a place to love, of course. And this country has thousands of interesting cities in the interior. Thousands.

It's simply another stuff f*cking outdoors in those moteis, next to a pool, cold beer, palm trees, sunset and those gorgeous women, helicopters flying by. Maybe something you can experience in Hawai or Miami for thousands of bucks. And the moteis in Brasilia, the city of the government, the talent walking on those bars, let me tell you! Politics and power bring lots of them. Expensive in brazilian terms.

Most pics 1500 Km inside Brasil. Very hot places indeed, expect 90-100 F in hot days.

Awesome resource. Thanks, HiddenEye. Will be looking through this all weekend. Picking my next fave spot!! BBFSCIP baby!

[NoBuglyFitches]

go to clinic (which I pay) for her to get tested.

What clinic do you use in SP for STD testing? How long does it take to get the results?

[RealShaun]

How does what work exactly? Will answer, hopefully my assumptions are correct that you are asking how do I get her to agree to BBFS and BBFSCIP = bareback-full-service-cum-in-pussy. Well, besides my great looks and charm LOL just kidding; First I treat her like a lady, like fine wine, then we agree to go to clinic (which I pay) for her to get tested. At the clinic or pharmacy they also provide one-day pills birth control if she is not already on BC. If you want extra caution, you can take PrEM. If all is good, tests are good, then its BBFSCIP. I do this for the ones I think I want to make my GFE's. I normally keep 2 to 3 on BBFS GFE status. Some don't agree, all good, then I just blow their back out with a condom on, then move on to the next stunner. But the one's that agree, love it, because I take them out to dinner, we go shopping, true GFE experience, and they'll BBBJ on the taxi drive to the mall, as an example. Its great when you find a good one.

Hold up. Bare back full service? For my own curiosity, how does that work? Do you have to show exams or?

[RealShaun]

Its like that sometimes. I don't even whatsapp these places anymore. I just show up. Some of them are close enough that you can just hop to the next one if there arent any you like at that location you started with.

When I go to tangara's website and try to WhatsApp them, WhatsApp is saying they are not on the app and I can send them an invite. Is there a hidden number or something?