Sao Paulo Reports

[WyattEarp]

IMO, Sao Paulo is not my cup of tea. I know the Rio privs. I've been to So Paulo many times, but the city is just to big for my liking. No beaches, no morros etc. However I've done some sampling in So Paulo. Mainly trash privs in Centro, boates in Rua Augusta and regular girls. I've never tried all of your or AltoBomGostos recommendations.

Sperto, you always have a lot of good on the ground insight. What do you think of the general quality of girls at the better Rio privs versus the better Sao Paulo clinicas? Perhaps you have mentioned this, but I don't remember seeing this comparison. Thanks.

[Member #4732]

Rovnak, I consider your contributions to this forum very valuable. No need to to respond to Traveller44.

IMO, Sao Paulo is not my cup of tea. I know the Rio privs. I've been to So Paulo many times, but the city is just to big for my liking. No beaches, no morros etc. However I've done some sampling in So Paulo. Mainly trash privs in Centro, boates in Rua Augusta and regular girls. I've never tried all of your or AltoBomGostos recommendations.

Of course not all clinicas/casas de massagen are not igual, it doesn't matter which city in Brazil you visit. Some clinicias holds a higher standard. A higher standard on the girls, the rooms, the reception and the showers etc. What I find interesting with our hobby hobbby is to find the gems. The unspoiled newbies, the rare 9-10 points. These gems can be found just as well in a 2 girls casa as a 30 girls casa. You just have to do a lot of legwork to find them, and to be lucky.

Thanks Sperto, I value your posts on Rio and Salvador in particular. Part of the reason I wrote about civility is that IMO the Rio board devolved from a great board to a snarky board. I don't know if that is still the case but the level of snarkiness there turned me off to the point I stopped reading.

I did propose a categorization, based on infrastructure, such as Sao Paulo Standard rather than possibly contentious words like trash and high end. Leaving that aside, I agree 100% that gems are to be found everywhere. Case in point, the other day, when I did a "circuit" I found the most attractive 19 year old super slim all natural GFE in the least well known of the Moema joints, apamas 45. There were only 2 girls in attendance, because they function more as an outcall agency than a walk in clinica. But of the 2, 1 was this girl that got visibly hot just standing and kissing to the point where she was panting while still standing. In truth she was so inexperienced that she was not a great fuck LOL, but she was a gamer ans a looker.

Anyway, yes, the gems are spread out all over. I even found a true gem in a trash place in sp, a manuara bookkeeper who was there for one month to pay off a debt. It was the last place I expected to find such a talent. She was la freaking sexual priestess, but she is back to book keeping in manaus.

Cheers.

[Member #4732]

While there may not be five star Clnicas on par with scandaloo, there are definitely low end and high end Clnicas. The low end are sometimes referred to as trash. They tend to be a little cheaper, the selection is small and the shower is down the hall. For me, a higher end Clnica has a shower in the room, clean sheets, and a good sized lineup.

As for staying in Moema, be aware that most of the neighborhood is in the flight paths of the nearby airport. If you plan on working from home, you might want to consider another area. True, it is an easy walk to a number of Clnicas if you aren't disabled. And there are many food choices.

I have lived in Bela Vista, Vila Olimpia and am currently residing in Pinheiros. From here, I can catch the metro and get to the mall in Moema in a little under an hour. Today I caught an uber to tangara for 15 R, less than 5 $usd. I'the rather pay to commute than live under all of the airplanes. For your first trip, and for a short time without speaking Portuguese, I'the recommend you stay near Av Paulista. It's a tourist attraction, close to other attractions and easy distance to Clnicas and clubs.

Good points. Yes the airplane noise may be a deal breaker for visitors who are not accustomed to it. Very good point. The noise does vary significantly depending on how directly one is on the flight path and how well built is the dwelling. Noise is worse the nearer the airport. The clinicas I mentioned are clustered near the noisier section, probably to be convenient to the two arteries that pass by the airport. The airport is Comgonhas BTW, not GRU. Congonhas is a domestic airport which closes from midnight to 6 am, so there is no plane noise during the closed hours. There is usually a burst of activity in take offs and landings early morn and late afternoon, varying by day of week. But yes, this is a good factor. Residents are accustomed to the noise but visitors may not abide it. Yes, this is a huge point. Good thing you mentioned it.

One quibble. You wrote "there may not be five star Clnicas on par with scandaloo" . I understand your intent but other readers might be confused by the comparison of clinicas with a boate. I assume you mean the clinicas don't have the massive selection of eye candy as Scandalo, and that is undoubtedly true. As mentioned there are a few clinicas that do "purport" to have staffs of between 10-20 girls all of scandalo level beauty. Those clinicas are what I referred to as elite, my term, for their high price, luxury rooms, and elite staff. The standouts in that class are the palms and lotus lounge and ouro. I do not visit them as their 500 real price is not worth it for me. But I do know some visitors that have splurged and loved it. When I was a visitor to SP years ago, I also paid the higher price and felt it was well spent given the great time I had. The palms definitely has its aficionados as the few times I have been back there there are always clients. Downside to those places is there is no lineup, just an iPad with photos. But one also has right of refusal in room within first 10 minutes.

[Sperto]

Fine, I will never use the word "high end" on this board again. All clinicas are equal. The smelly clinicas in 13 de maio, number 33 in Rio where they shove you in a room the size of a bathroom, with a rickety massage table, and a cold water shower down the hall is equivalent to Moema Prime and The Palms etc. OK, whatever. A clinica is clinica is a clinica..
Sorry I even tried to be of help on this forum.

Rovnak, I consider your contributions to this forum very valuable. No need to to respond to Traveller44.

IMO, Sao Paulo is not my cup of tea. I know the Rio privés. I've been to São Paulo many times, but the city is just to big for my liking. No beaches, no morros etc. However I've done some sampling in São Paulo. Mainly trash privés in Centro, boates in Rua Augusta and regular girls. I've never tried all of your or AltoBomGostos recommendations.

Of course not all clinicas/casas de massagen are not igual, it doesn't matter which city in Brazil you visit. Some clinicias holds a higher standard. A higher standard on the girls, the rooms, the reception and the showers etc. What I find interesting with our hobby hobbby is to find the gems. The unspoiled newbies, the rare 9-10 points. These gems can be found just as well in a 2 girls casa as a 30 girls casa. You just have to do a lot of legwork to find them, and to be lucky.

[Eszpresszo]

You still could not get over it? Must be hard case.

Well, you keep replying to him several posts after ending one by writing "I am done with that subject". Who is the hard case here?

[WyattEarp]

While there may not be five star Clnicas on par with scandaloo, there are definitely low end and high end Clnicas. The low end are sometimes referred to as trash. They tend to be a little cheaper, the selection is small and the shower is down the hall. For me, a higher end Clnica has a shower in the room, clean sheets, and a good sized lineup.

As for staying in Moema, be aware that most of the neighborhood is in the flight paths of the nearby airport. If you plan on working from home, you might want to consider another area. True, it is an easy walk to a number of Clnicas if you aren't disabled. And there are many food choices.

I have lived in Bela Vista, Vila Olimpia and am currently residing in Pinheiros. From here, I can catch the metro and get to the mall in Moema in a little under an hour. Today I caught an uber to tangara for 15 R, less than 5 $usd. I'the rather pay to commute than live under all of the airplanes. For your first trip, and for a short time without speaking Portuguese, I'the recommend you stay near Av Paulista. It's a tourist attraction, close to other attractions and easy distance to Clnicas and clubs.

This is a great example of how you post opinions that don't concur with other members' postings. Obrigado, Larry David.

If you follow Larry's opinions, they don't necessarily coincide with one of our experts. And that's okay. Everyone has different experiences and objectives when they travel and when they monger.

[Larry David]

While there may not be five star Clínicas on par with scandaloo, there are definitely low end and high end Clínicas. The low end are sometimes referred to as trash. They tend to be a little cheaper, the selection is small and the shower is down the hall. For me, a higher end Clínica has a shower in the room, clean sheets, and a good sized lineup.

As for staying in Moema, be aware that most of the neighborhood is in the flight paths of the nearby airport. If you plan on working from home, you might want to consider another area. True, it is an easy walk to a number of Clínicas if you aren't disabled. And there are many food choices.

I have lived in Bela Vista, Vila Olimpia and am currently residing in Pinheiros. From here, I can catch the metro and get to the mall in Moema in a little under an hour. Today I caught an uber to tangara for 15 R, less than 5 $usd. I'the rather pay to commute than live under all of the airplanes. For your first trip, and for a short time without speaking Portuguese, I'the recommend you stay near Av Paulista. It's a tourist attraction, close to other attractions and easy distance to Clínicas and clubs.

[Member #4732]

You still could not get over it? Must be hard case. At least send PM if you have nothing (or anything) to say, I might or might not answer. This forum is for other purposes than evaluation of someones thoughts, reasons for a questions and behavior by his writing style or questions he asks. Really, I could not care less about you. So do not waste the time and forum space for writing your personal evaluation of writing style, rather write something useful instead.

Have a great day.

[Member #4587]

Of course you are entitled to you opinion, and you are entitled to disagree with me. What bothered me and still bothers me is that your style is offensive and you do not seem to be aware of why it comes off as offensive. I think you may have some idea that it is offensive because you suggested that maybe you should only send direct messages instead of posts. So clearly, I am not the first counter party that you irritated. Forums live and die by both the quality of the information sharing and the quality of the interactive style. You seem to be completely focused on the information aspect and totally indifferent to the interaction style. I am telling you whether you believe me or not that your style is abrasive. Our entire interaction could have been an enjoyable and informative one but you chose to make it more confrontational than it should have been. There was no need to make it confrontational. The same thing with your comments to Wyatt. In each of the exchanges you inject a little insult and you tease that you are not aware of something, when if fact you already know and you are trying to lay a trap so that you can pounce on the reply. This is just plain overly confrontational style and it is a forum killer. It turns forums into flame wars. Even in your last reply here you added a little insult about Brazilian public school which is an insult to Brazilians, not to me. I am not Brazilian. I would hazard that English is not your first language, so maybe you do not perceive how abrasive your style is.

And by being less confrontational I do not mean not having an opinion. I mean express your opinion in a way that conveys camaraderie and not disdain. We are supposed to be brothers here, not competitors. We can disagree but we should disagree respectfully. Not once in our exchange did I feel you were respecting me. Every interaction except the first one had overtones of disdain and superiority. You say you were not nitpicking? The entire thread was a text book case of nitpicking, right up to your last pedantic remark about circuits. And don't tell me your smileys are your way of being less confrontational. Your smileys come across as a way of being passive aggressive and then being able to say "oh but I smiled".

Lest you think I am overly sensitive, I have been posting on this forum since 2006. I have disagreed with other posters and they have disagreed with me and we have done so with mutual respect for the most part. We don't try to set logic traps for the other person. You say you only post to ask questions. That is another way of saying that you just leach information rather than contribute information. I looked back to see what you had "contributed" to this forum and I found one of your FEW legitimate contributions was that notice about the opening of Prime. That was probably correct information at the time, and it was a good contribution. But the information was out of date now. Sort of the way that Wyatt's information about the metro was once accurate and now partially out of date. You jumped all over him saying that he should not say anything if he is not 100% fully informed. You said it in an offensive and disdainful way. Well by logical extension of your own ridiculously harsh rules, one could argue that once you post something you should be responsible for maintaining that information like a gardener maintaining a garden. I could have imitated your style by writing:

"You should have reposted a correction to this information when you learned it was no longer accurate. And if you were not going to follow up on it, you should not have posted it in the first place. If you live in Moema and cannot even follow up on the pricing then do not bother to provide any pricing information, because anyone who lives here knows that prices vary. This is misleading information from only a few months ago and it has not been corrected by the author. It is certainly still being read by visitors because it is only a few months old and this is directly causing visitors to incorrectly avoid this venue. So rather than help members you have actually hurt them. And if you knew it was obsolete information and intentionally did not post a correction, that suggests that you are not just a nitpicker but a hypocrite. ".

That is how you would criticize what you consider to be incorrect information. Yes, I have exaggerated for effect. I have parodied your pedantic style to show you how unnecessarily pedantic it is. Instead I wrote "nobody's perfect" because that is my message. I am not perfect, you are not perfect. No one is perfect. So why not be civil when possible rather than pedantic. If you had said right up front to me, "I don't believe that that categorization of high end is meaningful but I would like to hear your reasoning" that would have been better than the way you did it. Instead you took 3 posts to get to that statement after provoking me repeatedly as if you were disagreeing over what was high end and what was not. So when I finally asked you to SHARE, to actually contribute some information, you fall back to "I don't believe in the categorization at all" . Well, naturally, I would be irritated because you were not expressing your opinion in a good faith manner from the beginning of the dialogue. You were simply goading me into providing more information that you could then disagree with. That IS your interrogative style, in the entire thread with me and with Wyatt, your style is to ask for information, pretending to be interested, and then disparage the reply. Yes, disparage is the correct word. That is not the same as disagreeing. You do not disagree, you disparage. If you don't know the difference look it up and learn the difference. You do not express your opinion in a comradely fashion, you express your disdain by only focusing on the part of the thread that you disagree with. A true comrade would leaven the exchange by giving credit to the poster for trying to contribute helpful information and then add the points on which you disagree. In the entire exchange with me you did not once say "this is good information for a visitor but I disagree on some points". You purposely twisted the discussion to misrepresent my original intent rather than acknowledge my original general point as being valid and correct. I did not start out by focusing on a circuit walk. I merely mentioned that the clinicas were walkable from a base in Moema. That was and is 100% true. There was nothing in that statement that deserved ridicule. I repeatedly said my point was not that this was a walking tour, but that on any given day you could walk to these from a base. But you pedantically hyper focused on the straw man scenario of walking them all in sequence. That was not the purpose of the original post but I indulged the question in good faith because it was a legitimate question and I was trying to interact with you in a civil manner. But instead of taking each of my replies and saying "OK, now this makes more sense", you ridiculed each reply in a passive aggressive manner culminating in the obnoxious barb about walking tours. And no, the smiley does not mitigate that it was a rude comment. And if you do not know why it was rude then you are clearly socially tone deaf.

I write this because I value information sharing on boards like this. I also value and respect civil discourse in any forum. I don't believe that people should be more rude online than they are off line just because online they have anonymity and they can be disrespectful without consequence.

Good day.

You still could not get over it? Must be hard case. At least send PM if you have nothing (or anything) to say, I may or may not answer. This forum is for other purposes than evaluation of someones thoughts, reasons for a questions and behavior by his writing style or questions he asks and recommending how someone should answer to him. Really, I could not care less about you. So do not waste the time and forum space for writing your personal evaluation of writing style, rather write something useful instead.

[Member #4732]

I do not understand too why he continuing to respond after I wrote that I am done with that subject. Must be that Brazilian public school education to try convince other readers about my incompetence(posting current rates of Prime knowing that they were opening prices there) instead of accepting other point of views. Good luck with tune me out! LOL.

Of course you are entitled to you opinion, and you are entitled to disagree with me. What bothered me and still bothers me is that your style is offensive and you do not seem to be aware of why it comes off as offensive. I think you may have some idea that it is offensive because you suggested that maybe you should only send direct messages instead of posts. So clearly, I am not the first counter party that you irritated. Forums live and die by both the quality of the information sharing and the quality of the interactive style. You seem to be completely focused on the information aspect and totally indifferent to the interaction style. I am telling you whether you believe me or not that your style is abrasive. Our entire interaction could have been an enjoyable and informative one but you chose to make it more confrontational than it should have been. There was no need to make it confrontational. The same thing with your comments to Wyatt. In each of the exchanges you inject a little insult and you tease that you are not aware of something, when if fact you already know and you are trying to lay a trap so that you can pounce on the reply. This is just plain overly confrontational style and it is a forum killer. It turns forums into flame wars. Even in your last reply here you added a little insult about Brazilian public school which is an insult to Brazilians, not to me. I am not Brazilian. I would hazard that English is not your first language, so maybe you do not perceive how abrasive your style is.

And by being less confrontational I do not mean not having an opinion. I mean express your opinion in a way that conveys camaraderie and not disdain. We are supposed to be brothers here, not competitors. We can disagree but we should disagree respectfully. Not once in our exchange did I feel you were respecting me. Every interaction except the first one had overtones of disdain and superiority. You say you were not nitpicking? The entire thread was a text book case of nitpicking, right up to your last pedantic remark about circuits. And don't tell me your smileys are your way of being less confrontational. Your smileys come across as a way of being passive aggressive and then being able to say "oh but I smiled".

Lest you think I am overly sensitive, I have been posting on this forum since 2006. I have disagreed with other posters and they have disagreed with me and we have done so with mutual respect for the most part. We don't try to set logic traps for the other person. You say you only post to ask questions. That is another way of saying that you just leach information rather than contribute information. I looked back to see what you had "contributed" to this forum and I found one of your FEW legitimate contributions was that notice about the opening of Prime. That was probably correct information at the time, and it was a good contribution. But the information was out of date now. Sort of the way that Wyatt's information about the metro was once accurate and now partially out of date. You jumped all over him saying that he should not say anything if he is not 100% fully informed. You said it in an offensive and disdainful way. Well by logical extension of your own ridiculously harsh rules, one could argue that once you post something you should be responsible for maintaining that information like a gardener maintaining a garden. I could have imitated your style by writing:

"You should have reposted a correction to this information when you learned it was no longer accurate. And if you were not going to follow up on it, you should not have posted it in the first place. If you live in Moema and cannot even follow up on the pricing then do not bother to provide any pricing information, because anyone who lives here knows that prices vary. This is misleading information from only a few months ago and it has not been corrected by the author. It is certainly still being read by visitors because it is only a few months old and this is directly causing visitors to incorrectly avoid this venue. So rather than help members you have actually hurt them. And if you knew it was obsolete information and intentionally did not post a correction, that suggests that you are not just a nitpicker but a hypocrite. ".

That is how you would criticize what you consider to be incorrect information. Yes, I have exaggerated for effect. I have parodied your pedantic style to show you how unnecessarily pedantic it is. Instead I wrote "nobody's perfect" because that is my message. I am not perfect, you are not perfect. No one is perfect. So why not be civil when possible rather than pedantic. If you had said right up front to me, "I don't believe that that categorization of high end is meaningful but I would like to hear your reasoning" that would have been better than the way you did it. Instead you took 3 posts to get to that statement after provoking me repeatedly as if you were disagreeing over what was high end and what was not. So when I finally asked you to SHARE, to actually contribute some information, you fall back to "I don't believe in the categorization at all" . Well, naturally, I would be irritated because you were not expressing your opinion in a good faith manner from the beginning of the dialogue. You were simply goading me into providing more information that you could then disagree with. That IS your interrogative style, in the entire thread with me and with Wyatt, your style is to ask for information, pretending to be interested, and then disparage the reply. Yes, disparage is the correct word. That is not the same as disagreeing. You do not disagree, you disparage. If you don't know the difference look it up and learn the difference. You do not express your opinion in a comradely fashion, you express your disdain by only focusing on the part of the thread that you disagree with. A true comrade would leaven the exchange by giving credit to the poster for trying to contribute helpful information and then add the points on which you disagree. In the entire exchange with me you did not once say "this is good information for a visitor but I disagree on some points". You purposely twisted the discussion to misrepresent my original intent rather than acknowledge my original general point as being valid and correct. I did not start out by focusing on a circuit walk. I merely mentioned that the clinicas were walkable from a base in Moema. That was and is 100% true. There was nothing in that statement that deserved ridicule. I repeatedly said my point was not that this was a walking tour, but that on any given day you could walk to these from a base. But you pedantically hyper focused on the straw man scenario of walking them all in sequence. That was not the purpose of the original post but I indulged the question in good faith because it was a legitimate question and I was trying to interact with you in a civil manner. But instead of taking each of my replies and saying "OK, now this makes more sense", you ridiculed each reply in a passive aggressive manner culminating in the obnoxious barb about walking tours. And no, the smiley does not mitigate that it was a rude comment. And if you do not know why it was rude then you are clearly socially tone deaf.

I write this because I value information sharing on boards like this. I also value and respect civil discourse in any forum. I don't believe that people should be more rude online than they are off line just because online they have anonymity and they can be disrespectful without consequence.

Good day.

[The Cane]

I have been following this thread for some time. Waiting for airfare prices to become more reasonable for my next visit. Still waiting, LOL. All the posts I read I take little nuggets from. Everyone has opinions and what is bad, good, pretty, ugly, value, overpriced, etc. Don't ever be discouraged to contribute your opinions or experiences. We have all been exposed to the opposite view, so what, we know more than most the variety that is out there. Posts are to point us in the right direction, then we as mongers have to take the initiative and find what places / service / girls we value and like.

Hope to read more posts from all of you.

GF.

My man you have nailed it! We're all different with different likes, standards, expectations and so on. Everybody ought to feel free to state how they feel about a subject. And others ought to be able to respectfully disagree without somebody else getting all defensive and saying they aren't going to post anymore. It's called knowing how to share this space and make it useful and enjoyable to as many as possible. And then at the end of the day, after you've read all of those nuggets of advice, you then need to go out and discover for yourself and find what works for you. For a long time only one person was posting anything in this thread. I think it's a much, much, much better thread now because we are garnering a larger collection of opinions. Nobody should be threatened or offended by that. Take those opinions, learn from them, experience and learn from first-hand encounters, then draw your own conclusions about what to do the next time. Guys, we need to know how to share this space.

[Member #4587]

Are you serious? There are no high end clinicas, OK. Who are you trying to help?

I feel sorry for those who are taking you seriously, they are up for a world of pain in the end of the day. You are a destructive poster.

I am serious, because I do have my opinion and I stand behind it. That does not mean that I am not allowed to ask what makes clinicas high end and say my opinion.

Destructive because someones could not stand that my opinion is opposite? Or because someone posts not correct information (metro line,9 clinicas in few blocks distance) and I am not agree with that? I am helping readers who now might take a metro knowing that they can ride to Brooklin and through Moema with one connection (from CPTM) from Pinheiros, Vila Olimpia or Brooklin Novo. Then I help people who now can read that there are only 4-5 clinicas in a few block distance and the other are further away, to make their preferences for of the transportation mode and select most convienient clinicas. If poster was irritated about it, that is his problem, not mine.

[Member #4587]

Totally disagree, there are are all sorts of clinicas in SP, from "low end" to "high end".

I've been running around SP for many years now, and have visited many.

It's really all a matter of one's own interpretation.

I agree with Rovnak on this matter, however.

Appreciate your posts amigo!

Keep up the good work.

Don't let difficult posters get you down.

Not sure why you continue to respond to the one guy.

I tune him out, LOL.

I do not understand too why he continuing to respond after I wrote that I am done with that subject. Must be that Brazilian public school education to try convince other readers about my incompetence(posting current rates of Prime knowing that they were opening prices there) instead of accepting other point of views. Good luck with tune me out! LOL.

[GoneFishin]

I have been following this thread for some time. Waiting for airfare prices to become more reasonable for my next visit. Still waiting, LOL. All the posts I read I take little nuggets from. Everyone has opinions and what is bad, good, pretty, ugly, value, overpriced, etc. Don't ever be discouraged to contribute your opinions or experiences. We have all been exposed to the opposite view, so what, we know more than most the variety that is out there. Posts are to point us in the right direction, then we as mongers have to take the initiative and find what places / service / girls we value and like.

Hope to read more posts from all of you.

GF.

[Balboa]

I totally agree with this. I visited plenty of clinicas, and to be frank, I was mostly unimpressed with both the quality of the tutes and the state of the facilities. Did not visit one that I would deem to be "high-end". Everybody has different standards and expectations. But on this point, I agree with Traveller.

Totally disagree, there are are all sorts of clinicas in SP, from "low end" to "high end".

I've been running around SP for many years now, and have visited many.

It's really all a matter of one's own interpretation.

I agree with Rovnak on this matter, however.

Fine, I will never use the word "high end" on this board again. All clinicas are equal. The smelly clinicas in 13 de maio, number 33 in Rio where they shove you in a room the size of a bathroom, with a rickety massage table, and a cold water shower down the hall is equivalent to Moema Prime and The Palms etc. OK, whatever. A clinica is clinica is a clinica.

Sorry I even tried to be of help on this forum.

Appreciate your posts amigo!

Keep up the good work.

Don't let difficult posters get you down.

Not sure why you continue to respond to the one guy.

I tune him out, LOL.