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[Member #4587]

Obsolete imformation.

Moema Prime non-forista rates are.

1 hour 200.

1/2 hour 150.

Four hands hour 280.

It is open Sundays.

Original poster may have confused the original 4 hands price for a single hour? Who know? No one is perfect.

Those were the non-forista prices when the place was opened in May, though did not lasted long time. Forista price then was 300 per 1 HR. You should know from who to get a verification. But why to ask it before the reply, right?

[Member #4732]

I totally agree with this. I visited plenty of clinicas, and to be frank, I was mostly unimpressed with both the quality of the tutes and the state of the facilities. Did not visit one that I would deem to be "high-end". Everybody has different standards and expectations. But on this point, I agree with Traveller.

Fine, I will never use the word "high end" on this board again. All clinicas are equal. The smelly clinicas in 13 de maio, number 33 in Rio where they shove you in a room the size of a bathroom, with a rickety massage table, and a cold water shower down the hall is equivalent to Moema Prime and The Palms etc. OK, whatever. A clinica is clinica is a clinica.

Sorry I even tried to be of help on this forum.

[Member #4732]

I'm starting to get the impression you live in Moema and are an expert on Moema.

And other than that he's "doing great".

I don't know if he is intentionally trolling or lacks normal interpersonal skills. My whole interaction with him felt like a dentist visit. Every question he asks is just a set up for his next nitpick. Its like an extended Marx brothers "Why a Duck" routine.

[WyattEarp]

For me there is NOT such a thing as high end clinicas and would not be, because clinicas are clinicas, some with with better interior and lineup some with worst. If your job is not figure out the distances do not write a few block distances. Btw. circuit is not distance from point A(Shopping) to point B(Prime), it ends from where it started, so the circuit is 3,5km. Now you can offer a guided walking high end clinicas circuit tours :-). I have questions only when someone does not write correct information or declares something I do not agree with or do not quite get it, other than that I am doing great.

I'm starting to get the impression you live in Moema and are an expert on Moema.

[Member #4732]

New place open from today.

Av. Irai 511.

Mon-Fri 10-22.

Sat. 11-19.

Sunday: Closed.

1 h-380. No 1/2 h possibility.

Obsolete imformation.

Moema Prime non-forista rates are.

1 hour 200.

1/2 hour 150.

Four hands hour 280.

It is open Sundays.

Original poster may have confused the original 4 hands price for a single hour? Who know? No one is perfect.

[The Cane]

For me there is NOT such a thing as high end clinicas and would not be, because clinicas are clinicas, some with with better interior and lineup some with worst.

I totally agree with this. I visited plenty of clinicas, and to be frank, I was mostly unimpressed with both the quality of the tutes and the state of the facilities. Did not visit one that I would deem to be "high-end". Everybody has different standards and expectations. But on this point, I agree with Traveller.

[Member #4587]

Not sure I understood your entire reply as you intended it. Its not really my job to figure out all the distances for everyone else that can use google on their own. However, I used google maps to make a circuit from Shopping Ibirapuera to Chanes 57, Clinica Carinas, Enjoy, Abbobora, Mirunas, Kamna and Moema Prime is a total circuit of 2.7 km. 35 min of walking according to google maps, and you wind up 3 blocks from the starting point at shopping. I omitted Rua Apamas 45 even though it is directly on that route because it is tiny. I also left out Red because it really is an outlier in terms of distance and distorts the route. As per your experience about not finding anyone at Red. I often find no one fuckable at many places. But I know the lineups are always in flux so I don't necessarily rule a place out after any particular visit. I included Red be / see it often has 15-20 girls in their lineup and usually there are several good ones for everyone's different tastes.

Rather than just criticise my contribution, why don't you tell us what you consider to be the "high end" clinicas in SP. List them please. Also give us exact distances from a fixed point and the number of girls at each one. I am joking about the location and number of girls. Just give us your "list" of high end clinicas. You don't need to provide any details, I am sure I know all of them and just want to see the names.

FWIW I pointed out that I tried to contextualize things in terms of relationship to Rio clinicas or USA for the sake of visitors and you say you don't care. Yet, you reprimanded Wyatt for not providing exact information to visitors. I guess you have to tell us in each of your questions whether you want the SP "insider" response or the "for visitor" response.

For me there is NOT such a thing as high end clinicas and would not be, because clinicas are clinicas, some with with better interior and lineup some with worst. If your job is not figure out the distances do not write a few block distances. Btw. circuit is not distance from point A(Shopping) to point B(Prime), it ends from where it started, so the circuit is 3,5km. Now you can offer a guided walking high end clinicas circuit tours. I have questions only when someone does not write correct information or declares something I do not agree with or do not quite get it, other than that I am doing great.

[AltoBomGosto]

Red Way, Rua Machado de Assis 449 is open again, I went there last Monday, pretty girls available.

ABG.

[Member #4732]

Fwiw. Interview this week with secretary of transportation for Sao Paulo.

"the secretary also spoke about the expectation of opening the four stations of Line 5-Lilac promised this month after several delays.

According to him, this Friday (17) there will be a technical visit to the four stations to decide on the delivery strategy "but I believe that in a maximum of one month we will have the four stations in operation," explained Pelissioni.

The main obstacle to inaugurate the four stations that will eventually augment Line 5 until it connects with two other lines of the Metro (1-Blue and 2-Green) is the Santa Cruz station, more complex project work."

Translation, "at least another year" . Actually, it may actually happen soon.

[Member #4732]

About bar description and smiley. That was direct reply to you and you already posted above in your high end clinicas list. Suspecting my knowledge about it? :-)
How many visitors would like or prefer to walk in Moema between 9 clinicas? I walk fast too and like it but do not expect it from others. 1,2 km or 2 km is not a few block away. If you write to visitors then add the actual distances or addresses, since they can choose therefore whatever method of transportation is suitable for them. About Red, have been there two times, not any fuckable girls in lineup (10-15), so I left and not bother anymore, although it is closest for me. I was debating with you about high end clinicas as SP insider and wanted to know from where it comes. Elite price clinicas (500-600 reais) does not mean you get elite girls, it is just about the price. Rio de Janiero, not interesting nor care, this is SP forum. But I am sure that your current reply to me is very useful for SP newcomers. Since I got the answer from you to my question, I am done with that subject. Cheers!

Not sure I understood your entire reply as you intended it. Its not really my job to figure out all the distances for everyone else that can use google on their own. However, I used google maps to make a circuit from Shopping Ibirapuera to Chanes 57, Clinica Carinas, Enjoy, Abbobora, Mirunas, Kamna and Moema Prime is a total circuit of 2.7 km. 35 min of walking according to google maps, and you wind up 3 blocks from the starting point at shopping. I omitted Rua Apamas 45 even though it is directly on that route because it is tiny. I also left out Red because it really is an outlier in terms of distance and distorts the route. As per your experience about not finding anyone at Red. I often find no one fuckable at many places. But I know the lineups are always in flux so I don't necessarily rule a place out after any particular visit. I included Red be / see it often has 15-20 girls in their lineup and usually there are several good ones for everyone's different tastes.

Rather than just criticise my contribution, why don't you tell us what you consider to be the "high end" clinicas in SP. List them please. Also give us exact distances from a fixed point and the number of girls at each one. I am joking about the location and number of girls. Just give us your "list" of high end clinicas. You don't need to provide any details, I am sure I know all of them and just want to see the names.

FWIW I pointed out that I tried to contextualize things in terms of relationship to Rio clinicas or USA for the sake of visitors and you say you don't care. Yet, you reprimanded Wyatt for not providing exact information to visitors. I guess you have to tell us in each of your questions whether you want the SP "insider" response or the "for visitor" response.

[Member #4587]

To your last point about posting or not, think about this, you have irritated both Wyatt and myself by your passive aggressive approach. Style matters on a forum. You asked us both questions as if you were genuinely interested and then reply with what come off as snarky responses. If you were truly writing for the "audience" as you suggest, why did you claim that Chanes is a bar and not a clinica. You say the "smiley" mitigated the snark? How so? Only after I rebutted your "zing" did you say "of course I know it is a clinica and a bar". Oh, of course. And a reader looking for accurate information would have intuited that from your smiley? I don't think so.

Remember, this thread started around the issue of where to base a stay. We all agree that traffic in SP at rush hour is horrible and avoiding it is desirable. To that end, my comments about Moema are directed at the visitor. You seem to disagree with me on what consitutes "walkable" and what constitutes "high end". Fine, lets discuss.

Walkable: depending on weather, I love walking. I have walked from Moema to Brooklin several times. Shopping Ibirapuera to Red is 2 km. 25 min walk for average person according to maps. I do it in less because I am a fast walker. I would much rather walk that than sit in traffic on 23 de Maio or pack into a metro at rush hour. Again that is the outler on the far edge of Moema. The others I mentioned are clustered nearer to shopping ibirapuera. Enjoy is 1.2 km, 15 min walk from Shopping. The other places are all closer to the Shopping. There are the distances, others can decide what is walkable for them depending on fitness and time available. I don't expect or recommend that one walk the entire 9 each day, but using Moema as a base, they are all walkable.

High End Clinica: I am writing this for the visitor who knows "massage parlor" in USA or elsewhere, and "clinicas" in Rio. By those standards the places I listed are factually high end. They all have nice reception with couches and coffee. They have presentations of live girls or books. They have showers in room, as opposed to hallway shower as is norm in Rio. They have air conditioning. The rooms are spacious, have decent beds, not massage tables. Again "high end" compared to Rio standard. They often have mirrors and sex chairs. They have 5-15 (or 20 in case of Red) girls to choose from, most from 18-30 and in good condition and providing good service. They have no pretense of manual only massage. Client is free to avoid massage entirely and just have pure sex, unlike "massage parlors" in many parts of world and even clinicas in Sao Paulo that charge the same for a hand job as these places charge for full service. The management in all of these places monitor performance. The girls rotate from place to place so there is no "best lineup". By comparison to an american massage parlor these places are all luxurious. By comparison to Rio clinicas these are all high end. I think that is factually true. I lived in Rio, I know Rio well. There are a few places in Rio that have similar standards but they are the exception there..

About bar description and smiley. That was direct reply to you and you already posted above in your high end clinicas list. Suspecting my knowledge about it?
How many visitors would like or prefer to walk in Moema between 9 clinicas? I walk fast too and like it but do not expect it from others. 1,2 km or 2 km is not a few block away. If you write to visitors then add the actual distances or addresses, since they can choose therefore whatever method of transportation is suitable for them. About Red, have been there two times, not any fuckable girls in lineup (10-15), so I left and not bother anymore, although it is closest for me. I was debating with you about high end clinicas as SP insider and wanted to know from where it comes. Elite price clinicas (500-600 reais) does not mean you get elite girls, it is just about the price. Rio de Janiero, not interesting nor care, this is SP forum. But I am sure that your current reply to me is very useful for SP newcomers. Since I got the answer from you to my question, I am done with that subject. Cheers!

[KashMoney]

Wasn't very impressed when I went to Casarão on Sunday but decided to stop back in tonight a little later. Showed up at 1 am and it was like a totally different place! Packed with people, lots of garotas. Still in the 6-8 range, don't think I saw any 9's or 10's but lots of options. They opened up a space in the back and downstairs and had a few pretty boring stage shows. But more action on the dance floor and it was hard to get a drink. Met a beauty with a great natural body. Danced for a bit and she was fun. She asked for Rs 250 and we went upstairs. But there was a line of at least 30 couples waiting to get into a room. So we went to a nearby hotel instead that had the same owners so the price was the same. Nice room, clean and mirrors on the ceiling which I absolutely love and my girl did not disappoint. A great night! She said Fri and Sat are so busy you can't even walk around. Might have to stop by to see how good it can get.

Thinking of going to one of the higher end clubs tonight though. Either Bomboa or Scandallos. Bomboa is a lot closer and more convenient but I really do want to see the best of the best. Is it worth making the trip to Scandallos? Is it that much better. Sounds like the cost is about the same.

[WyattEarp]

Suppose I want to go to Scandallo every night for 5-6 nights. Aren't there decent hotels in Jardim Gloria. Or nearby?

Short answer No.

You would have to stay at a neighborhood AirBnB or an extremely budget hotel where you will still be dealing with taxis. A gringo doesn't want to walk around Gloria late at night. Scandallo is a big club in the middle of a relatively quiet and residential neighborhood.

If you tell us exactly what you want to do with your time besides Scandallo, we can give you better advise.

Your question reminded me of the days when guys would stay at a hotel near the old Help Disco in Rio and wouldn't leave a one block radius from the club. Of course, there was a beach full of thong-clad bunnies across the street. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you would get bored in Gloria.

[Steve 9696]

Steve, I'm worried you're going to knock yourself out running around Sao Paulo and Brazil trying to visit every venue you possibly can. Try to take it easy and enjoy the experience. It only takes one beautiful girl who connects with you. Sometimes you have a big itinerary planned and that one girl shows up early. Don't overthink it. Don't pass on her.

Good advice thanks. I mega plan, but often adjust. But good reminder to be flexible. I do tend to become attached when I find that gem.

[WyattEarp]

It appears both Tangara and Mirunas are open Sunday. What about Moema Prime? Can't tell from the web. Also and compare and contrast welcome. Thanks.

Steve, I'm worried you're going to knock yourself out running around Sao Paulo and Brazil trying to visit every venue you possibly can. Try to take it easy and enjoy the experience. It only takes one beautiful girl who connects with you. Sometimes you have a big itinerary planned and that one girl shows up early. Don't overthink it. Don't pass on her.