Sao Paulo Reports

[Kcrl01]

In all the countries in which I have hobbied I have found it easiest to get the contact details of Rio GDPs. I can't recall ever having been refused. However, actually linking up with them has not been as easy.

Had the added advantage of being able to get to Rio 4-5 times a year due to my work and as a result was able to maintain contact. Upside, maybe it wasn't Rio, but Espiritu Santo, or MG, or Sao Paulo, got a chance to see a lot of the country!

[Turgid]

Why not on the first meeting, if she's down to fuck for $$ she's down to fuck for $$ When is irrelevant. I've got numbers going back to '03 and some of them are still good!

In all the countries in which I have hobbied I have found it easiest to get the contact details of Rio GDPs. I can't recall ever having been refused. However, actually linking up with them has not been as easy.

[Kcrl01]

Yes, but it's super duper easy to get telephone numbers (even if the girls aren't supposed to give them out), and then from that point forward arrange for "take out". I'm sure that all the Rio lovers here have lost count of how many GDPs have given up their personal contact info so that you can make arrangements to see them outside of the club. So maybe not on that first meeting at the club, but most certainly later on at another time.

Why not on the first meeting, if she's down to fuck for $$ she's down to fuck for $$ When is irrelevant. I've got numbers going back to '03 and some of them are still good!

[Member #4732]

Yes, but it's super duper easy to get telephone numbers (even if the girls aren't supposed to give them out), and then from that point forward arrange for "take out". I'm sure that all the Rio lovers here have lost count of how many GDPs have given up their personal contact info so that you can make arrangements to see them outside of the club. So maybe not on that first meeting at the club, but most certainly later on at another time.

Yes true. Its always nice to collect numbers. But that is a deferred pleasure. Its even better to have the option to consummate things that very evening, particularly if there is good chemistry.

[Kcrl01]

Anyone ever order from Sao Paulo Escort Guide (SPGE) ?

http://www.saopauloescortguide.com/

Expensive but the convenience seems nice. Thanks in advance.

Anna's real name is Marcela, she lives a 10 minute walk away from my flat. Completa GFE at are $300. Muito bom!

[The Cane]

Then there is "take out", another HUGE difference. When I first came to Brazil I almost always did take out, as it was so nice to spend the whole night with a girl. I had many girls willing to go back to hotel or apartment and do private video even. That was before social media, today girls In Rio none of the top clubs have take out, you have to do the program there in the club.

Yes, but it's super duper easy to get telephone numbers (even if the girls aren't supposed to give them out), and then from that point forward arrange for "take out". I'm sure that all the Rio lovers here have lost count of how many GDPs have given up their personal contact info so that you can make arrangements to see them outside of the club. So maybe not on that first meeting at the club, but most certainly later on at another time.

[Member #4732]

I am not into clinicas I am more into clubs or termas that's why I still prefer Rio De Janeiro over Sao Paulo, the clubs in Sao Paulo costs expensive, you have to pay the entrance that is not cheap, and the room separated unlike clubs in Rio de Janeiro always using uber from a place to another place is not cheap.

I am not trying to argue with you as much as present a different perspective.

Lets look at those points. Yes, the high end Sao Paulo clubs are expensive, but so are the Rio high end clubs. SP has low, mid and high clubs, as does Rio. So you choose your price range in both places.

Lets take the high end clubs: If you go to a high end club in either place you are looking to spend 600 or more, all in, in either place. Some of the SP clubs are marginally more expensive, but at that level it becomes marginal cost. You are paying the premium to mingle and have a lot of choice. The top SP clubs are at least twice the size of the Rio clubs and have twice as many girls to choose, so the odds are higher of finding a few more top girls to choose from, no matter what your taste. To your point about the separation of cost. Entrada, programa and room. Some Rio clubs also separate the costs that way. But the separation of cost is just bookkeeping difference. Its the all in cost that matters. When you look at the entrada cost, you have to consider whether it includes "consumacao" meaning your entrance includes a credit for some or all of the cost of the entrance to put toward food or drink. Of the Rio clubs only Cancun does this. The other Rio clubs may have lower entrance but they don't offer consumacao.

Lets look at the programa, the big difference is that Rio clubs have fixed cost programa and the SP clubs are almost all negotiated be / t the client and the GP. So this can work to your advantage or disadvantage. In particular, later in the night you can get a discount in SP. Speaking of late at night, the SP clubs are far more late night friendly. The Rio clubs either shut down at midnight (Centro) or wind down severely. The SP clubs go to 4 am, and new girls are still arriving as late as 10 pm. That is a big difference. Also, RJ clubs in centro are M-F only. SP clubs are M-Saturday and in at least 3 cases Sunday too. Then there is "take out", another HUGE difference. When I first came to Brazil I almost always did take out, as it was so nice to spend the whole night with a girl. I had many girls willing to go back to hotel or apartment and do private video even. That was before social media, today girls are justifiably much more reluctant to do photos or video, understandably so. In Rio none of the top clubs have take out, you have to do the program there in the club.

In summary, its not just a matter of marginal cost, its a complex set of differences, club size, number of girls, hours of operation, days of operation, options to stay in or take out, negotiation vs fixed price. Lots of variables.

Lets take mid range. Personally, I don't think Rio has anything to compare to Casarao in terms of size and price point. You can consider Rio clubs like MV30,502 and such as mid range, but Casarao blows them away in terms of size and atmosphere. As Casarao is negotiable you can wind up paying as little as 200 or as much as 600 depending on time and program negotiation. Maybe the new Help will compare to Casarao at some point, remains to be seen.

On the low end: I am not a low end club guy so I can't say too much. I went one time to Vila Mimosa and the stink was appalling so if that's what guys like about Rio, good luck to them. SP has its own trashy clubs on Paulista, I never enter them be / see if I am there Casarao is the better option by far.

Again, not trying to argue with you but just trying to counter the strange trend on this forum to consider SP "a clinica only place". There are many mongers who would never pay for a club girl considering the value in the clinicas. But if you like clubs then SP has a very compelling scene.

[InternationalX]

Anyone ever order from Sao Paulo Escort Guide (SPGE) ?

http://www.saopauloescortguide.com/

Expensive but the convenience seems nice. Thanks in advance.

[Hunter999]

I was staying in hotel Caesar Business, as was the 1st day in Belo, (I am new in Brazil) so wasn't knowing any places to have fun, Asked at the hotel reception for a nice place to hang out, and he suggested a pick up bar near to it, name I don't remember, so went to the club, the moment I entered I was light by 89 reals and I was to pay what I consume, I am just having a seat there and I am welcomed by 2 chicks, one is 22 , little chubby and second one little older about 30 to 36, we drank there and the party starts. There were few of the stunning strippers who were performing there, and I had my eye on a typical Brazilian dark skinned girl who was exactly my type, I was in no mood to take any one to hotel just went there for having some fun. I invited the Brazilian stripper to my table and we started having conversation. I ordered drinks for her and she was completely flat, she thought I was a millionaire, and did;'t explained about my financial status, just gave her 50 reals and she was impressed and she held my hammer in her hand and the stunning part is that all this was happening in the night club. She was gently stroking and invited me to the toilet area which I refused as I was enjoying her soft hand, movements in my pants, we were kissing each other DFK, I thought for 50 reals its a really good thing. I didn't wanted to fuck her, so continued the party and enjoyed the conversation.

[Komo753]

Yes, we all have opinions, just wanted to verify that you were basing yours on what you saw, not just what you read.

Cheers.

I agree Sao Paulo is good because there are more different girls, I found some white Brazilian with natural blond hair and blue eyes of European descent or Asian Brazilians, even in Rio it is really difficult to find one or even impossible.

I am not into clinicas I am more into clubs or termas that's why I still prefer Rio De Janeiro over Sao Paulo, the clubs in Sao Paulo costs expensive, you have to pay the entrance that is not cheap, and the room separated unlike clubs in Rio de Janeiro always using uber from a place to another place is not cheap.

Sao Paulo is good for short term and Rio is good for a long term.

If you like clinicas or you have much money to spend Sao Paulo is a good place to monger (This is my own opinion and experience) we are all different, I am not a Sao Paulo expert because I only stayed 10 days (over 1 week) maybe if I live in Sao Paulo someday I will find more tips.

[The Cane]

Whereas Casarao is a just show up and work joint. Such a simple concept but effective, surprising there are not more places like it.

I was just thinking this yesterday and absolutely agree. A Casarao-type club with more girls to my personal tastes to select from would be the perfect lower mid-market venue in Sampa for me I think.

[Member #4732]

I should self edit my post, where I said that Casaarao is the hottest club. Probably Scandalo is as much or more of a draw. The difference is that at Scandalo and Bomboa and such the girls have to commit to working a minimum of 4 (I thought it was 5 before) nights or they pay penalties, whereas Casarao is a just show up and work joint. Such a simple concept but effective, surprising there are not more places like it.

[Member #4732]

Casarao has more variety than 4 x 4, not hardly!

Typical night at Casarao is usually pretty lilly white. An occasional mulata or two or three or four or five or six, on a busy night. Next you'll find an occasional Nippon-Brasiliera mixed in with a few indigenous Brasilieras. If you find a straight up Black chick she'll be from Rio, Bahia, Nordeste or Espiritu Santo. Never seen more than 10 straight up Black chicks there at the same time. Lots of southern Brasilieras from Florianopolis, Porto Alegre, (sexy smoking hot German & Italian stock) and from the interior of Brasil (if this is what you mean by more variety, yes then maybe). Additionally, Casarao is becoming the spot for college girls and single moms who need to pull together their rent money and school tuition. Typically these are one trick ponies who you'll never see on the regular. But has been my experience that they are the ones to go after as they are not as jaded, desperate, and gold digging as the seasoned pros. If you're lucky you can get there their number and actually have a "real" date with them sometime. Been there, done that (Note: this would require at least an intermediate working knowledge of Portuguese). Also, unlike like the good ole' days in Rio, these chicks will not pose for fotos. Makes it difficult to supplement your data with hard evidence or identify the duds.

One night I counted 123 girls and 200+ guys. Keep reminding myself to swing by the Judicial Federal Registro and look in the fire codes for what the total capacity is for Casarao. Figure does not include the smoker's lounge as I hate cigarette smoke, only time I go in there is if I want to fire up a joint. Both bars were open upstairs and the stairs in the back to downstairs was open allowing lots of room to circulate. Found my regular Rebekka (pronounced: he-Bekka). Got upstairs waited approx. 10-15 minutes for a room, there were maybe 20 couples in queue as the entire lobby was full to standing room only. Which made me think room assignment was based on if you had a quarenta minutos ou uma hora as we leapfrogged others who were there before us (did a uma hora GFE / completa are $290)..

Good details on Casarao. I agree in general with your description, though we might disagree on whether that constitutes more variety than 4 x 4, which is a minor point. The larger point is Casarao is really banging these days. It is the probably the hottest club for putaria in Brasil. Girls are coming from all over to work there. At Christmas, I saw a long time Rio GP, that I knew from free lance, Cancun, 4 x 4 and MC. I always run into her. Sure enough first night back at Casaarao, I see this hot mulata, from behind. She turns around its the RJ girl, still built like a shit house, passista and exercise freak. She is coming to SP B/ C that is where the action is now. The word is out amongst GPS, that Casarao is it. Its almost too successful at this point. You need to go upstairs before 1:00 or you wait to long for a room. I also worry about the fire hazard, fortunately it looks like there are not flammable materials. But is there even an emergency exit downstairs or upstairs? I was there during a power outage, and I went immediately to the front, and left soon after, not wanting to risk a stampede.

Just to carry the variety discussion a bit, it seems you agree that Casarao draws girls from all over Brasil. Your gripe is not as many mulatas / negras as you want. I am in the same boat, I prefer mulatas and negras. But to be honest, even the RJ clubs are not full of these girls, or at least not full of what I would consider good ones. Last time I went to 4 x 4 there were about 40 girls, and only 2 good mulatas imo. So if Casarao has 6 on a good night, that's pretty good.

The thing that separates Casarao from the rest IMO is that girls work when they please, so the turnover is large, in a good way. I am not a guy that repeats often even with the best, so high turnover is a plus in my book. Nothing is worse than going to a place and seeing the same girls over and over.

I am not sure from your report that you have a particular dislike for Tangara or just a dislike of clinicas in general. The girl who did anal once and then not the next time, I can see where that would be an aggravation. I don't see anal so this is never a problem for me. However, the girls at clinicas often see many clients per day so they may be sore, etc. I try to factor that into my evaluation and expectation.

[Member #4732]

I wrote this report before going to Sao Paulo, I was in Sao Paulo for one weeks now I can say I prefer Rio over Sao Paulo (that's my experience) we are all different maybe because I don't know Sao Paulo as well as Rio de Janeiro I am back in Rio.

Yes, we all have opinions, just wanted to verify that you were basing yours on what you saw, not just what you read.

Cheers.

[The Cane]

I think that all of the current activity and discussion in the Sao Paulo thread is great! For far too many years, it was all the postings and opinions of pretty much just one guy. It's invaluable to have the benefit of a diverse set of views from many different people. And then, you decide for yourself. I think that Sampa is a great destination for mongering with many options to choose from in multiple market segments. I didn't find exactly what I was looking for in Sampa (a venue with really good-looking girls like at Scandallo and Bomboa, but at mid-market prices), but I would most definitely go to Sao Paulo again. Hot Brazilian girls, good food and drink, plus way easier to get around than I thought it would be. So why not? Rio termas number 1, German FKKs number 2, and Sao Paulo on the whole number 3. IMHO! And, except for The DR and The PI, I've been to all the major mongering destinations in the world. Based on what I know, I seriously doubt that going to The DR or The PI would change my top 3 rankings.