San Jose General Reports

[Gringo Tico]

I havn't seem much info on the Tico MP lately. I was in San Jose a month ago and visited the "Purple House" aka Cha-Cha-Cha. I was there in the late mornings and usually 3-6 chicas were present. I chose a 19 yo named Tatiana. Wow, what a nice session. I went back in a couple of days and she was not there so I chose a late 20s named Windy. She was more professional but equally great. Prices there are 8,000 colonies or about $15. for half hour. Rooms are more or less clean and have hot water shower and girls will shower with you. The girls also said they will go for a 3 some. All in all a very good experience but I think it is better to pay for an hour.

[Prolijo]

Agreed also. (Glad you didn't take it all too seriously in the end).

As for photo chit-chat threads, they're not intended to make photo threads "photos-only". Members still make comments, but the idea is that long discussions or debates are shifted to the chit-chat thread.

I guess the youtube CRT guy will just have to sign up under a new name. BTW, when I first arrived in CR, I went to Zona Blue and asked for my card, but they couldn't find it. They still offered me the CRT member discount. (They found my card later).

All but the "psuedo" part. I realize not everyone cares for my style of writing. Most people don't realize that my handle means long-winded, overly detailed and tedious in spanish. So I'm not so serious that I can't poke a little fun at myself or take it when others do. But that's all part of who I am. I'm not trying to put on any airs. If you meet me in person, I think you'll find I'm just as intelligent as I "seem on TV", although, I'm told, not quite as long-winded.

Re photo chit-chat thread: that sounds a bit more sensible but it still begs the question of once it starts how do you get all guys participating to restrict their additional comments to a different thread and for that matter how do you know which discussions or debates are long until they've ALREADY gotten out of hand. Still the idea could work and, for my part anyway, I'll try harder to keep my long replies elsewhere.

Re YouTube CRT guy: True, he could just sign-up under another handle. However he'd have a few difficulties:
a) Tommy has his name because he was foolish enough to put an e-mail address containing most of it at the end of the video which he could match up with membership information,
b) He can easily register for the board under an assumed name and make posts in the general section but it wouldn't be so easy for him to pay on-line for a VIP membership without using his real name, and
c) even if he manages to somehow get another CRT VIP card and maybe use it at some places, (or even if he doesn't and just says he's a VIP member) if he tries that at ZB he better hope Eddie doesn't see him since Eddie knows what he looks like and is actually hoping he'll try to show his face.

BTW, I don't know about this aspect but the ZB chicas might very well be aware of this little episode too and not be very happy about it (having their photos copied over to a website with a MUCH wider audience than one carefully targeted at just potential customers). If so, Eddie may very well have told them who this guy is and to be on the lookout for him as well.

[Piper1]

Good enough, Piper. We'll agree to disagree and let it lie (well until the next time this flares up).

On a somewhat different subject, I'd like to add a couple of points.

I think that photo chit-chat is a good idea in theory and would be great if it actually worked. The only problem I see is, if we can't keep completely non-photo related subjects out of the current photo thread, how are we going to keep the reactions to the photos posted out of that thread even if there is another thread created for that purpose. And if the remarks are in reaction to a particular photo, placing those remarks in a seperate thread would make it a bit less clear what the poster was referring to. Still, I think your idea does warrant further consideration. Maybe someone else has some ideas for further refinements.

My other remark concerns the recent youtube video that kicked off this recent round of debate. Whether you guys felt it was right or wrong for him to post like he did, it has now been removed from the YouTube site for copyright infringement reasons. And the guy who posted it may be pursued for legal costs but at the very least has had his CRT membership revoked (banned for life actually), meaning no more CRT discount at his formerly favorite place, if he can even return there at all. I hope it was all worth it for him.

Agreed also. (Glad you didn't take it all too seriously in the end).

As for photo chit-chat threads, they're not intended to make photo threads "photos-only". Members still make comments, but the idea is that long discussions or debates are shifted to the chit-chat thread.

I guess the youtube CRT guy will just have to sign up under a new name. BTW, when I first arrived in CR, I went to Zona Blue and asked for my card, but they couldn't find it. They still offered me the CRT member discount. (They found my card later).

[Prolijo]

Good enough, Piper. We'll agree to disagree and let it lie (well until the next time this flares up).

On a somewhat different subject, I'd like to add a couple of points.

I think that photo chit-chat is a good idea in theory and would be great if it actually worked. The only problem I see is, if we can't keep completely non-photo related subjects out of the current photo thread, how are we going to keep the reactions to the photos posted out of that thread even if there is another thread created for that purpose. And if the remarks are in reaction to a particular photo, placing those remarks in a seperate thread would make it a bit less clear what the poster was referring to. Still, I think your idea does warrant further consideration. Maybe someone else has some ideas for further refinements.

My other remark concerns the recent youtube video that kicked off this recent round of debate. Whether you guys felt it was right or wrong for him to post like he did, it has now been removed from the YouTube site for copyright infringement reasons. And the guy who posted it may be pursued for legal costs but at the very least has had his CRT membership revoked (banned for life actually), meaning no more CRT discount at his formerly favorite place, if he can even return there at all. I hope it was all worth it for him.

[Piper1]

From photo gallery ...

I have thought about it. This sex-photo thread is a place to post and discuss photos, which is what I and others were doing. However, I was ready to turn the stage back to the photo posters and YOU chose to continue this worn out discussion with an inflammatory post that, btw didn't have any photos in it either.

I'm sorry if hearing opinions that differ from yours upsets you so much (not!). Personally, I don't think engaging in the P4P hobby has to mean you can't do it in a classy manner, although it very well might be true that YOU can't. You'll find many many posts, even on this board, by vets advising treating the girls with respect (at least to their face) and how that leads to getting better sessions from them. And posting photos of them against their wishes is a form of disrespect that can lead to bad sessions (or the refusal to pose for any more) IF it gets back to them, particularly for the original poster but to a lesser extent for everyone else as well due the general reduction in trust.

As far as my being "psuedo-intelligent", that's pseudo and there's nothing pseudo about it. I'd be more than happy to match wits with you anytime in real life.

Pro - true, I didn't post any pics with my previous post. Read the first part of my previous post again and you'll see why. Besides, following your lead, I thought it was a discussion thread, not a photo thread.

A face-to-face challenge huh? How very macho. I surrender to your intellectual superiority. I don't intend to visit the US in the forseeable future, so you'll have to fly to Dubai.

As for respecting the girls, my posts over the years speak for themselves.

I welcome differences of opinion and useful criticism. Most of your posts are useful and informative. I'm simply saying that endless, multiple (and overly-repetitive) posts in the photo gallery criticizing photo-posters gets more than a little tedious. As I said before, you've made the same point many many times - enough already. (PS, apologies for my speling mistake. I'm just an illiterate girl-disrespecting monger).

That's the end of the matter for me. Once the photo thread becomes a photo thread again, I'll again contribute there accordingly.

As Jackson suggests:

Hi Guys,

It's okay with me if you want to change this thread into a General Discussion instead of the Photo Gallery, but at least let me know so I can start a new Photo Gallery.

It's either that, or you can move your discussion to another thread and we can keep this thread as the Photo Gallery.

Thank You!

Jackson

Good idea Jackson - how about a photo chit-chat thread, ala Thailand, Phillipines etc.

[Paesano63]

As a frequent visitor to San jose for 5 years, I have noticed a general increase in the number of persons looking for handouts, leeches pushing phony cuban cigars and $20 viagra pills, but also more dangerously increased numbers of tranvestites and thugs in general all arounf the Del Rey.

Many old time visitors would say it was more safe to walk around at night for several blocks around the del Rey, not so any more.

Also, having been to Panama and noticing the police presence in the street around the hotels and casinos I realized that I never saw any police patrolling the area around the Del Rey.

Final word monger: with caution, the costa rican authorities know what we do and allow it, but won't go out of their way to offer protection. You're on your own.

[Prolijo]

San Jose is the chief metropolitan area of a lesser developed country and like any such city it has its more decrepit and dangerous parts. The reason for that is that, being a struggling developing country, they don't have nearly the same level of resources available to maintain the urban infrastructure that we take for granted here in the US. In that respect, it is no different from any other similar country and despite that it is not much worse than many cities in the US and is actually much NICER than many other cities I've been to in other countries. So rather than look down our noses at SJ and ignore our own shortcomings at home, we should appreciate SJ for what it is and what it has to offer. We should also understand that most western tourists, except for us twisted monger types, don't come to CR for its urban landscape but for what they can find out in the country. It makes some sense for them to poo-poo the city and head elsewhere. As for the mongers, if you hang out primarily in areas known for its bars, gambling and prostitution what do you really expect to find?

Some of what SweetLemon posted has some merit, but a lot of it misses the mark and seems to be based just on some superficial and abbreviated visit, where he spent most of his time in the highly non-representative area between the Presidente and the HDR (before prematurely fleeing the country altogether). I haven't been "everywhere in Latin America" like he has but I have been to every Central American capital city except Panama's, and many of its other larger cities as well, not to mention all the major cities of Colombia and Rio de Janeiro. Sure, Rio's embarcadero is nice, but there are plenty of hustlers in front of Helpe and go a few blocks back and up towards the favelas and tell me how nice and safe that city is. Rio is world renowned for its pickpockets. And Colombia, not CR, is on the US State department warning lists. And even for just Central America, as "bad" as it is in many ways, I'd put SJ ahead of just about any other major city I've been to there. The only corner where I ever see "at least half a dozen street rats loitering" is right outside the HDR. To say it is like that on every corner is a gross exaggeration.

Unlike most other latin american cities I've been, SJ is one of the only ones where being able to walk from venue to venue was even a possibility. Walking around by day in SJ is perfectly safe, unless you're totally oblivious to your surroundings. At night it is more hit or miss. I don't get drunk, know how to carry myself and know where not to go, and have walked around at night a lot of times with never an incident. However if you want to play it safe nowhere is more than a $2 cab ride apart.

And despite its reputation for being ugly, a charge no one else seems willing to retort, I would have to disagree. Okay, it is no Rio or BA, but they have their ugly parts too. It still beats places like Managua or Guatemala City or San Pedro Sula. The rooftops of Medellin or Teguciagalpa look pretty nice from the surrounding hills, but get down to street level and its a different story. SJ definitely has it share of ugly parts (like pretty much all of Avenida 2, the Zona Rosa, Coca Cola, etc.), but it also has its nice parks and plazas (like Sabana or Espana) neighborhoods (like Los Yoses or Amon). Your choice is whether to focus on the crime and pollution or on the positives that ARE there.

Finally, there are the chicas. I'll leave it to others to defend the chicas of CR more thoroughly. I'll just say this. While I know you can find better looking, more accomodating, and less expensive women in other places, the equation is not as simple as that. Chicas in CR are not as hopeless as SL made out. Sure, you'll find your mercenary bitches that stick to cien at the HDR as SL stated. But far more will come down from that rate than will stick to it and it is misleading to suggest that the ASKING rate is anything like the GOING MARKET rate. Sure special requests like anal may be standard fare in places like Rio and much less so in CR, but BBBJ's and FK at least are not at all rare in SJ as SL suggests and are actually the norm.

But what about the other parts of the equation. Can you fly to those other places, that SL finds so much better than CR, in less than 3 hours from Miami? Do those places have the wealth of other things to do and see that CR has? Are those other places as user-friendly for guys who are new to international mongering and who don't speak much spanish? Are those other places a center for sex tourism which draws in chicas from other countries and thus often has the cream of the crop as well as the variety?

[Mrmrmr]

Just like any major city, there are many parts of San Jose that are not safe to travel at night. Dark streets, parks, etc. Stay aware of your surroundings, move fast, take a taxi at night and stay with a group of people etc. and you should be alright.

I too have noticed some very aggressive undesirables around the Del Rey area.

[Professor 1]

I agree the city outside of the pedestrian mall is pretty ugly. The park is passable and the museum up the hill is nice, but most of the area has no esthetic at all. Even the university grounds (of UCR) didn't seem very well landscaped.

I must disagree. I found San Jose to be no worse than any major USA City, including those where I lived. I did spend a day at UCR, and the place looked nice and clean, like any urban USA University.

San Jose is no Indonesia, but I found it better than some USA Cities.

[George90]

First and foremost are the droves of thugs, bums, hustlers and lunatics hanging out in the area. They are not your typical annoying touts or low-key panhandlers one finds all over Latin America, and I’ve been everywhere in Latin America. No, it seems to be populated with the dodgier sort of riff raff one finds on skid row in a major US city. It’s advisable if you’re alone or not in a good sized group to take a taxi even for a few blocks. There seems to be no police presence in the area whatever and one gets the feeling that if you get into it with one of these guys, you’ll have a small army to contend with. There seemed to be at least half a dozen street rats loitering on every single corner and in front of every business making them totally unavoidable. I don’t like feeling that I’m not free to walk around and explore at night and here you definitely can’t. Or better put, definitely shouldn’t. Not that there is much to see in San Jose anyhow.

I haven't been to San Jose for 3 or 4 years. What you describe, SL, is very different from what I saw when I made 4 or 5 trips there.

I agree the city outside of the pedestrian mall is pretty ugly. The park is passable and the museum up the hill is nice, but most of the area has no esthetic at all. Even the university grounds (of UCR) didn't seem very well landscaped.

I walked around from one club to another; from Casablancas to Del Rey to Pantera Rosa at night and didn't have any difficulties. I didn't any roving gangs of anybody. I did see some homeless people collecting garbage. I did see drunken guys staggering about. I did see bouncers checking out the street in front of the club or restaurant they were working in.

I did see an occasional police car at night, but not often. I saw patrol officers much more often during the day time in the pedestrian mall area. The ATM area of a bank I use has a guard posted there 24/7. I didn't feel any real danger walking around at night though I don't recommend it to anyone who drinks a lot. I heard that 1 or 2 years ago that crime (muggings, pickpockets) in the Gringo Gulch area started rising.

[Member #2964]

Jet set and sweet leamon.

I had a DR girl total la noache for 15K last night.

I have just retuned from a drink at the DR and had a triple belly offer of 25K.

I knew her 2 years ago and she has added 2 bellies. I said no and offered 15K where= as she said her friend a Nica with fine natural titas and single belly would go for 15K.

All the girls WANT cien. but I am too cheap and spoiled to pay. Heading down to 6th street and out too Pasao Colon tommorw.

I enjoy the troll through the MPs. each day, week, month brings new choices.

Out to La Grillion tonight to see if Tracy from Palufos is indeed working a new venue.

What ever you do Have fun.

[Professor 1]

The standard quote is $100 USD for an "hour" (meaning they’ll do their level best to get you off in 10 minutes and then split), payment often expected in advance. Of course special arrangements can be made and there are outliers in every group, but the general terms and conditions seem to be no kissing, no BBBJ, no back door, routine indifference. The homely second stringers, though, seem a bit more amenable.

The quoted US$100 is the gringo rate, not the rate that people like me, and CRT members, pay. When I hear cien, I simply start laughing, and pat the girl on the back like I got the joke. You have to bargain as though you were in the market. I do not pay sticker price for a car, so I am certainly not going to pay sticker for P4P.

I had a great GFE that involved more than vanilla sex. It included BBBJ, for example. It helps to be able to ask for it in Spanish. My limited experience tells me that if you treat the transaction like it's a mechanical action, then the girl will follow.

[Professor 1]

The standard quote is $100 USD for an "hour" (meaning they’ll do their level best to get you off in 10 minutes and then split), payment often expected in advance. Of course special arrangements can be made and there are outliers in every group, but the general terms and conditions seem to be no kissing, no BBBJ, no back door, routine indifference. The homely second stringers, though, seem a bit more amenable.

The quoted US$100 is the gringo rate, not the rate that people like me, and CRT members, pay. When I hear cien, I simply start laughing, and pat the girl on the back like I got the joke. You have to bargain as though you were in the market. I do not pay sticker price for a car, so I am certainly not going to pay sticker for P4P.

I had a great GFE that involved more than vanilla sex. It included BBBJ, for example. It helps to be able to ask for it in Spanish. My limited experience tells me that if you treat the transaction like it's a mechanical action, then the girl will follow.

[Professor 1]

I did not sample the wares of HDR girls, because I was a cheapskate. However, I think most of the girls would easily take 80.

Some HDR girls will take less than US$80, particularly if you communication with them in Spanish. I told one "nice girl," who started with the US$100 scheme, that I am NOT a tourist, and do not pay cien. She quickly retort, "Of course, of course, and you're a nice guy."

I told her that I was not looking for ANYTHING, but just wanted a beer. I added that I would consider US$50, since she was a nice girl. She asked for US$60, and got it.

[DR Monger II]

SweetLemon, you are right about San Jose as a city. However, I didn't see thugs or street rats at every corner. I guess San Jose feels like NYC in the 1970s. I did see police, but they weren't going after TVs at night or walking the beat that much. I saw one of them stop a Dominos pizza delivery guy While some pros are mechanical at some massage places you can offer a 20 dollar tip and most likely get bbbj or 2 shots at sex. However, kissing is very rare. I found some places like Bar IDem to be too mechanical. It's kind of sad because they charge the highest rates out of all the incall places in San Jose. I did not sample the wares of HDR girls, because I was a cheapskate. However, I think most of the girls would easily take 80. Most massage parlors charge from 20-45 for an hour. For about 60 dollars, you can almost get GFE.