San Jose General Reports

[Fantasy]

That's a good story, Fantasy. I wouldn't exactly call what I've been doing "questioning" someone's motives so much as simply saying I don't understand them. And I think our discussion, if everyone can remain civil, can help all sides better understand the other. Jazz mentioned the sheer joy of always being on the frontline's of SJ's biggest circus. Your drinking buddy mentioned the feeling of greater security. I think those are both very good points. I just don't think for me (and prehaps most other CR vets) they're sufficient to outweigh the disadvantages.

I think the HDR could be a really great place for a newbie down on his first trip to spend a few days (or at least one or two) IN SPITE of the excessive amount I feel they charge and EVEN IF he is not that ignorant and is aware of other places. The first time you see what goes on in the Blue Marlin Bar it is a real eye-opener that initially you just can't get enough of. You want to be around it all the time and really experience it. Eventually, though, the novelty starts to wear off, you still enjoy going there but you need to take your breaks from it and you also start to want to explore other things. Maybe it takes just a few nights on your first trip maybe it takes a few trips but eventually the BM is seen as just one piece of what draws you to CR, perhaps an important piece, but still one of many. I know many vets who are totally burned out on the BM and all its mercenary cien-demanding chicas. They may go yo enjoy the floor show or to chat with their buddies but the number of new chicas they pull out of there becomes less and less. That is why, for me, popping in an out of there once or twice a day or even skipping a night altogether brings me more than enough joy.

As for the security aspect, that story was very dramatic, but if things have really gotten so bad in SJ that one has to stay inside one building rather than taking a cab then maybe the time has come to seek other mongering venues altogether. Frankly, I don't think things really have gotten that bad. Its understandably why that guy feels so paranoid given what happened to him, but I think he was just very unlucky. Unless he got into a unregulated pirate taxi, I think what happened to him with that cab driver is still very unusual (ie does not make it necessary to avoid cabs by staying inside the HDR).

I like to complain about the chica fee at the HDR, but I rarely if ever bring more than one chica per day back to my room and if that $10 extra surcharge were all it was then the HDR wouldn't be so bad. Actually, one of the biggest problems I have with the HDR, doesn't even have anything to do with the nickel and diming they do, but is precisely the security. Sure, if I stayed inside the building all the time I'd feel very secure, but eventually almost everyone has to step out. And the area where I usually feel least secure is the area immediately outside the HDR's doors. You can not take one step outside of the HDR, even to step into one of the overpriced cabs that park by the curb, without getting accosted by all sorts of street riff-raff. Sometimes, they're just very persistent beggars who are probably harmless enough but are a distraction for the real threat of the potential muggers who trail behind only to jump you when you get far enough away. You get street riff-raff anywhere in SJ but nothing like the concentration of ones that prey on the drunk rich gringo traffic that goes through the doors of the HDR. If you stay elsewhere, you may be subjected to that 2-3 times day or whenever you visit the BM bar . If you stay at the HDR, you get subjected to it whenever you go ANYWHERE, which could mean dozens of times.

Anyway, that is my take, but I'd be interested to hear other perspectives.

Dramatic? No, just factual. I do not, and will never stay at HDR, Sportsmen, or the like, But the Point being: One should not call anothers decision crazy or Dramatic for any reason. But I did forget that you "Know it all", and find it impossible to believe anyone but yourself could make a valid point. Putting words into the mouth of others seems to be your hobby. No where did I say that San Jose is a shooting Gallery, or that everyone should avoid Taxis. Matter of fact, I stated that the target himself said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time............

[Prolijo]

That's a good story, Fantasy. I wouldn't exactly call what I've been doing "questioning" someone's motives so much as simply saying I don't understand them. And I think our discussion, if everyone can remain civil, can help all sides better understand the other. Jazz mentioned the sheer joy of always being on the frontline's of SJ's biggest circus. Your drinking buddy mentioned the feeling of greater security. I think those are both very good points. I just don't think for me (and prehaps most other CR vets) they're sufficient to outweigh the disadvantages.

I think the HDR could be a really great place for a newbie down on his first trip to spend a few days (or at least one or two) IN SPITE of the excessive amount I feel they charge and EVEN IF he is not that ignorant and is aware of other places. The first time you see what goes on in the Blue Marlin Bar it is a real eye-opener that initially you just can't get enough of. You want to be around it all the time and really experience it. Eventually, though, the novelty starts to wear off, you still enjoy going there but you need to take your breaks from it and you also start to want to explore other things. Maybe it takes just a few nights on your first trip maybe it takes a few trips but eventually the BM is seen as just one piece of what draws you to CR, perhaps an important piece, but still one of many. I know many vets who are totally burned out on the BM and all its mercenary cien-demanding chicas. They may go yo enjoy the floor show or to chat with their buddies but the number of new chicas they pull out of there becomes less and less. That is why, for me, popping in an out of there once or twice a day or even skipping a night altogether brings me more than enough joy.

As for the security aspect, that story was very dramatic, but if things have really gotten so bad in SJ that one has to stay inside one building rather than taking a cab then maybe the time has come to seek other mongering venues altogether. Frankly, I don't think things really have gotten that bad. Its understandably why that guy feels so paranoid given what happened to him, but I think he was just very unlucky. Unless he got into a unregulated pirate taxi, I think what happened to him with that cab driver is still very unusual (ie does not make it necessary to avoid cabs by staying inside the HDR).

I like to complain about the chica fee at the HDR, but I rarely if ever bring more than one chica per day back to my room and if that $10 extra surcharge were all it was then the HDR wouldn't be so bad. Actually, one of the biggest problems I have with the HDR, doesn't even have anything to do with the nickel and diming they do, but is precisely the security. Sure, if I stayed inside the building all the time I'd feel very secure, but eventually almost everyone has to step out. And the area where I usually feel least secure is the area immediately outside the HDR's doors. You can not take one step outside of the HDR, even to step into one of the overpriced cabs that park by the curb, without getting accosted by all sorts of street riff-raff. Sometimes, they're just very persistent beggars who are probably harmless enough but are a distraction for the real threat of the potential muggers who trail behind only to jump you when you get far enough away. You get street riff-raff anywhere in SJ but nothing like the concentration of ones that prey on the drunk rich gringo traffic that goes through the doors of the HDR. If you stay elsewhere, you may be subjected to that 2-3 times day or whenever you visit the BM bar . If you stay at the HDR, you get subjected to it whenever you go ANYWHERE, which could mean dozens of times.

Anyway, that is my take, but I'd be interested to hear other perspectives.

[Fantasy]

Glad to see you got your dental work done! I had a bunch of work done in Cartagena and also some done in Lima.


I haven't been to Sosuer in about 2 years with no plans on returning.


Why don't you shag yourself down to St. Maarten this thursday and we will hang out old school style?

When I saw you had booked, I was shocked. I know that you and I have a different style than most here who like the w-b-thank you maam.... Both St. Maarten and Curacao are geared more toward "in house" fucking. I like the confines of my own temporary fuck palace(aka my room).
Because of the wealth on these two islands, hooking up with regulars is quite difficult, even for a seasoned veteran like yourself. I never really was thrilled about doing house girls exclusively. Once in awhile in between 'the chase' is fine, but not every night!
St. Maarten is full of specialty houses. Seamans for the Colombiana lover, But why not go to Colombia? The White House (Casa Blanca, located almost on top of the Dutch/French border), full of Dominicans. Why not go to the DR? And more........ You can grab some of these girls during the day, but to me, its just not the same.
But I do know you, and you sat there and said, "I want to go somewhere new!" I hope you have a good time, and I am ready to "Old School" with you. Maybe somewhere in November. I look forward to hearing whether I was right, For your sake, I hope not. Have a safe flight Tomm. I enjoyed the little bar directly under the main runway of the airport. It sits directly under the flight path and right on the ocean. Pretty cool. You will find it. It is next to the Maho Beach Resort.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME VISITING THE NUDE BEACHES ON THE FRENCH SIDE. DISGUSTING!!!

Sorry guys for posting this on the Costa Rica Board!

[Fantasy]

I'll just add these quick "off-topic" comments before we go back to discussing chicas and other CR travel issues:

Thanks a lot guys! Its gratifying to know that both of you (and probably many more) don't share the hostility of the few. I'd also like to add that I'm glad that Jazz didn't take my comments about the HDR personally and I'm sure he really isn't a lifetime "ignorant" monger . While I still can't really understand why he and some other CR vets like to stay at the HDR, I'm sure they have their reasons even if they just call it personal preference. Heck, some guys like BBW's too and I can't see that either, but different strokes for different folks. Personally, I get more than enough "sheer joy" just VISITING the BM and don't feel the need to live in an overpriced shabby room just because it happens to be located right above it. Obviously YMMV.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

Last week while sitting at the Del Rey, I was talking with a long time Monger. He said he was staying upstairs for six nights. I, of course, replied:"why in the world would a Spanish speaking, experienced monger stay upstairs? Why? it is stupid? Only a newbie would do it?" He took a sip of his beer, and turned to me and lifted his shirt. their was a huge scar up his left side. He went on to tell me that during a regular mongering trip he jumped into a cab to return to his hotel one night. The cab took him about 6 blocks and turned into an alley. The cab driver told him to get out, he was going home. He was jumped, stabbed and robbed by two young guys. They got $30.00. He was experienced and had no cash, no jewelry, no watch, no camera, nothing. He stated he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
His dilemma was: do I give up mongering, or do I change the way I monger. He chose to greatly increase his level of safety. He is a light drinking, 48 year old fit and trim spanish speaking monger.

Fantasy: Open mouth, Insert foot.

I will never, ever question why anyone does what they do ever again.

[Prolijo]

I'll just add these quick "off-topic" comments before we go back to discussing chicas and other CR travel issues:

Thanks a lot guys! Its gratifying to know that both of you (and probably many more) don't share the hostility of the few. I'd also like to add that I'm glad that Jazz didn't take my comments about the HDR personally and I'm sure he really isn't a lifetime "ignorant" monger . While I still can't really understand why he and some other CR vets like to stay at the HDR, I'm sure they have their reasons even if they just call it personal preference. Heck, some guys like BBW's too and I can't see that either, but different strokes for different folks. Personally, I get more than enough "sheer joy" just VISITING the BM and don't feel the need to live in an overpriced shabby room just because it happens to be located right above it. Obviously YMMV.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

[World Travel 69]

Check my Posts, on the ISG sites and AP.
A lot of the info comes from Prolijo.

He has added so much info to the Lists.
YOU have not!
So what are you going to say about where we can find Chicas?
Come on Where is your Info?
I have so many Blanks on the List.
Are you just peaking Johns?

[JazzPlayer]

Please stop trying to respond to prolijo. He ruined a former website with a few others by constantly making personal attacks and trolling. It appears he is up to the same here.

I don't see it that way. I've read his stuff for a long time including on another board. He knows a lot about CR.

On another note, I'll be in CR this Friday night enjoying the scene, Oh staying in the DR too.

Regards,

lifetime ignorant monger

[JazzPlayer]

Jazz,

You conveniently deleted this part of my "rant":Apparently, you fall into one of those OTHER groups. I NEVER said that there weren't ANY vets that stayed there TOO. All I was suggesting was that the HDR gets a huge portion (probably the vast bulk) of their business from first-time/one-time visitors who are much less familiar with the various alternatives AND that was the main reason that they are able to charge the (IMHV) ridiculous premiums that they do (such as $10 chica fees that would make any other place be considered not exactly chica friendly if they charged it).

Are you suggesting that the HDR ISN'T famous to the point that there are many guys who know little else about the CR mongering scene other than HDR and its Blue Marlin Bar? Do you normally find such newbies frequenting other venues in SJ once they get to SJ to the same extent you find more regular and knowledgeable visitors? I think most people would say no and agree with me on those last 2 points whether they agreed with me that the HDR is over-rated or over-priced or not. As for the rest of my "rant", its normally called "stating an opinion". I never said you or any one else had to agree with all of it.

Every single thing you wrote is correct. Including the original post. I've followed your posts for several years and learned a ton from you and other CTRers' as well as this great ISG.

The $10 chica fee is a drag but I just overlook it for the sheer joy of being in the DR.

Regards from a fellow monger,

Jazz/

[Member #3437]

i just spent 3 weeks in san jose while getting major dental work done. i have a good spot for you at 53 bucks a night with tax and a great breakfast. five minute walk to gulch or one minute by cab (at night of course). also if you have not been to the "saint" before, i can fill you in. Email me if interested. I am making a return to the sewer in mid to late November for a couple weeks (have not been in a year and a half!!!!), and somewhere else in Central A in mid to late december.

Glad to see you got your dental work done! I had a bunch of work done in Cartagena and also some done in Lima.


I haven't been to Sosuer in about 2 years with no plans on returning.


Why don't you shag yourself down to St. Maarten this thursday and we will hang out old school style?

[Prolijo]

I think the problem here is that I somehow went through a web link that directed booking through a travel agent.

I think the website you used was www.1-costaricalink.com and that explains a LOT.

There is an interesting story behind that website, which you can get a glimpse of if you click on their link "Illegal webmasters" at the bottom of their home page. According to them their former webmaster "hijacked" their site and domain name which was www.1costaricalink.com (ie withOUT a dash). So they set up another site using almost the exact same domain name and the exact same layout right down to the graphics (who hijacked whom?). Of course, their former webmaster, Forrest Geiger, had a radically different story, which you can find at http://www.1costaricalink.com/eng/we...redit-card.htm. Its hard to tell what the exact truth was but I've had private e-mail exchanges with the Forrest (some of which you can read at that link) and, IMHO, his version sounded much more credible. As further evidence of that, the Maleks, who own the site with the dash, have since at least changed the logo to DTW for Discovery Travel World, which I doubt they'd have done unless they lost in court. Even more noteworthy than the particulars of those private business disputes, because they might have impacted you, are the MANY MANY complaints against the site WITH the dash that have been reported on various travel forums, which further weakens their credibility.

Forget about the outrageous price they were trying to fool you into paying for the moment, you were really fortunate you didn't pay it for other reasons. They have a reputation of not paying all their bills, of taking money from customers in exchange for worthless "vouchers" and of not transferring that money to the hotels or other businesses involved. You might have showed up at the Del Rey only to find that they did not know anything about your reservation.

[Fantasy]

i just spent 3 weeks in san jose while getting major dental work done. i have a good spot for you at 53 bucks a night with tax and a great breakfast. five minute walk to gulch or one minute by cab (at night of course). also if you have not been to the "saint" before, i can fill you in. Email me if interested. I am making a return to the sewer in mid to late November for a couple weeks (have not been in a year and a half!!!!), and somewhere else in Central A in mid to late december.

[Prolijo]

Please stop trying to respond to prolijo. He ruined a former website with a few others by constantly making personal attacks and trolling. It appears he is up to the same here.

Excuse me, Katouey, you seem badly confused.

First of all, who was I personally attacking here? I was stating my opinion about a hotel and perhaps its GENERAL client base and not any particular individual. And what was I saying that was so bad about those clients that my generalization might apply to? That they weren't fully aware of other hotel options that, IMHO, are much better than the HDR? Or, if they did, that they'd prefer to spend most of their time in the "belly of the beast" despite there being much better values for their money (again IMHO)? What is so horrible about that? The "ignorance" I referred to I thought was pretty clearly the newbie monger masses who DON'T have the benefit of boards like this one (ie no one here). Did I actually call VETS like Jazz who stayed there some sort of idiot or did I just say I WONDERED why anyone else stayed there?

Secondly, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages to get attention, to disrupt discussion, and to make trouble. I'm not trying to make trouble or get attention. And I'm not trying to be controversial just for controversy's sake. I'm just stating my views. I'm sorry if some of those views seem controversial to you but they are completely on-topic and valid subjects for this DISCUSSION forum (and the few that do go off topic are still only in direct response to posts like yours which IS a personal attack).

Thirdly, your vague reference to some former website that I personally ruined is misleading at best and libelous at worst (you seem to pop up once a year here only to make the same baseless charge). The former website that you're obviously referring to was CRS and that was not brought down by me. Just ask anyone else. Everyone but apparently you knows it was brought down by a troll named Badabing (and several other of his personas) along with the failure of the moderator, Rico, to do anything about him. Sure, I helped feed the troll in the beginning (by sticking up for a friend who he personally attacked) but not any more so than many other members. LATER, AFTER that site was for all intents and purposes ALREADY DEAD because a) virtually all of the site's members had already abandoned it and moved to CRT and b) the ONLY posts being made were flames by Bada's crew, I RETURNED to respond back. I suppose you could say I helped bury the corpse but if that is so it is only because no one else was posting anything else there at that point any way. And that is nothing at all like what you suggested with your comment, so if you're going to make such charges get it right.

Anyway, all of that is ancient history and completely irrelevant to what is going on here. Unlike Badabing, I'm not shilling for any business, deliberately flaming any members, going off-topic (except when drawn off-topic to defend myself against personal attacks like yours), or trying to bring down this board. And I have every faith that Jackson will do the right thing to maintain civility while preserving the free flow of ideas.

[Katokay]

Please stop trying to respond to prolijo. He ruined a former website with a few others by constantly making personal attacks and trolling. It appears he is up to the same here.

[Prolijo]

Jazz,
You conveniently deleted this part of my "rant":

...Besides such newbies, there are also a few vets who feel they absolutely always have to be in the heart of the action that the Blue Marlin represents or even those who go to CR and never venture out of the pink palace. ....

Apparently, you fall into one of those OTHER groups. I NEVER said that there weren't ANY vets that stayed there TOO. All I was suggesting was that the HDR gets a huge portion (probably the vast bulk) of their business from first-time/one-time visitors who are much less familiar with the various alternatives AND that was the main reason that they are able to charge the (IMHV) ridiculous premiums that they do (such as $10 chica fees that would make any other place be considered not exactly chica friendly if they charged it).

Are you suggesting that the HDR ISN'T famous to the point that there are many guys who know little else about the CR mongering scene other than HDR and its Blue Marlin Bar? Do you normally find such newbies frequenting other venues in SJ once they get to SJ to the same extent you find more regular and knowledgeable visitors? I think most people would say no and agree with me on those last 2 points whether they agreed with me that the HDR is over-rated or over-priced or not. As for the rest of my "rant", its normally called "stating an opinion". I never said you or any one else had to agree with all of it.

[JazzPlayer]

[QUOTE=Prolijo]The problem that you and others are having is that you seem to think there are only 3 hotels in all of San Jose.

...more rant deleted...

If it weren't for its excessive fame amongst (relatively) ignorant mongers who don't know any better, I'd have to wonder why anyone stays there.

Sheesh, The Del Rey isn't all that bad. I like staying there when I come for a three-day weekend. I can go up and down so easy, no cab, no nothing. And in the day out to all my fave tico masseje's.

Also, the sixth floor is $130 a night, seems reasonable to me.

Just my $.02.

Regards,

Ignorant monger ;-)