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04-20-06 04:15 #215
San Jose - Night #1 Report
This was last night (Tuesday, April 18).
Marriott hotel was DEAD and very quiet/serious (as you'd probably expect). In the bar, only about 12-14 expats or old business guys, sitting around talking to the bored bartenders. Not exactly what I was hoping for.
A hotel taxi driver took me to Elite (eh-leet-ay), which I had read some mixed reviews about, so I thought, what the heck. But it was no good - just like a strip bar in the States! high cost ($20 USD for one small glass of champagne for the girl who sits down uninvited and starts talking to you ... I declined on the basis of price - I'm sure they thought I was Mr. Cheap, but so what? they'll never see me again) The place was too loud and too dark - couldn't even really tell what the girl sitting next to me looked like unless I studied very hard. $45 USD for 3 dances in a "private room" ?! No thanks.
Driver next took me to Blue Marlin, although he said it's too dangerous there. But I've been in so much worse settings! Blue Marlin was awesome. Plus, the driver (from the hotel) took me through to another building and I think the bar was called ... uh, hmmmm, dang, I forgot. "El something-or-other" (I think) Anyway, the girls there weren't as plentiful nor as astounding as the Blue Marlin, but upon entering that bar area, one girl sitting on a stool caught my eye, and she was smiling with a devilish smile at me, locked eyes on me and almost didn't look away once. From what I could tell, she had a nice body, but certainly had nice eyes & face & hair & smile. Her expression just felt like she was saying, "YES! I've been WAITING for someone like you to walk in here!" That goes a long way in my book ... better than the transactional business-curious eye contact you get from most of the girls.
The driver and I got a beverage, sat down, looked around, then finally he said he'd go ask the girl to come over to our table. That was it. I was done. No need to sit around the bar a moment longer! It was 1 AM local time then. She initially said $300 USD for the night, but she said for me she'd make it $200. I gracefully and politely countered with $100, explaining to her what a wonderful experience she would have with me compared to most guys, PLUS it was already late and I had to get up and work the next morning! We agreed on $150 because she kept insinuating how good that price is, considering "toda la noche" AND considering how worth it she would make it for me.
Back to the hotel. Can't go into all the details just now, but suffice to say, she was mostly awesome in many of the most important (to me) respects. She stayed until Noon. Very, very nice girl to be with. We got along very well. She's 31 and has one kid - she's from Dominican Republic. Body was pretty much killer, and her face would make you think "Roslyn Sanchez" (not THAT good, but you get the idea). She was surprisingly tight with a smooth, flat tummy (for a mom).
Called her tonight because I decided to just not venture out tonight, and she happily agreed to come over around 10 and stay as long as I want her to.
I agree with the vast majority of you guys out there, that the 9s and 10s typically have attitude/service issues. My date is a solid 8+ with a 9+ personality - maybe it's just because our chemistry seems so natural and strong.
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04-19-06 01:06 #214
Originally Posted by Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo, thanks for the posts. This one is informative and will come in handy some day I'm sure. I've only been to CR and Panama, and in Panama not to Panama City...
My only criticism is that you spent so little time in each country, so one has to take this into consideration. I have heard that Guatemala for example, has a lot of very cheap pussy and young and sexy too, but your post says it is expensive there. Well, sure at an expensive club, it is expensive; but I bet there are other places you can get 8's and 9's for $30-40. But then I haven't been there. But as I say, I have to take your report with a grain of salt since I've heard Guatemala has plenty of cheap good pussy. Maybe I heard wrong, too, so I'll have to wait and go there and see for myself some day...
Glad CR fared well in your report, it's good to know I'm not missing too much by not going to those other countries.
It's like my quick trip to David, Panama and inland: I cannot say my experience is representative of the scene there, but all I know is, my buddy and I saw very few hot girls in Panama (again, we did not go to Panama City), and we found almost NOTHING to do in David. In the Panama forum there is a guy there who claims you can meet up with a pimp who will call girls for you and they'll come into town from little pueblos outside of town and you'll have more hot sexy pussy then you know what to do with. So maybe that's true. But we were only there a few nights and I did not find any such scene. Sounds good in theory because he said he only had to use the pimp once, and after that the girls just give you their numbers and share you with their friends...
I have a feeling that ANY country where a monger resides, he will no doubt find some hot sexy chicks to have sex with, if he is at all resourceful, and thus will be offended at bad reports of his country. There probably are hot chicks available in ALL the above countries, or any country in the world for that matter. But you are right in discussing the ease of which it is available and the quality of those easily available girls. In this aspect, for me, I can't imagine a better country in Central America than Costa Rica.
I would like to go to Thailand and Brazil some day, but I hear so much about street crime and danger in Brazil and so much about AIDS in Thailand, for now, I am a happy to be able to easily go to Costa Rica.
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04-19-06 00:44 #213
I agree...
I also did not pay more than $50; okay, one girl I paid $60, but the other 4 I only paid $50, at the BM/Key Largo. I agree that it is just a matter of sticking to your guns, and if a girl knows that is all you are going to pay she can decide if she'd rather waste her time, and/or go with some old fat guy... Originally Posted by ChiliMike
I have had very good success with this method and will continue with it. That said, I know my wing man likes to go for the ones that everyone is drooling over, and he doesn't mind paying $100 for them. I think if they are the cream of the crop - in the top 5%, say - then I can see a guy like my buddy paying that price, especially if he negotiates what he wants them to do and gets some time and enthusiasm for his money.
But personally I like the ones with the good attitude more than the ones with the six-pack ribs and gorgeous face and body. Especially since I have always found - with about 18 years of experience with this - that the hottest chicks are also usually the ones with the worst attitudes. Not always but usually.
I figure that if I can get a full hour at Zona Blue or Idem or New Fantasy, for $40-50, why should I pay some chick at the BM $80-100? The one time I paid $100 was when I spent 2 hours with the chick at KL, dancing and drinking, and then she went back and stayed the night with me. All I had was a $100 bill due to poor planning, so I just gave it to her and we both had a great time. But that is the exception to the rule. 95% of the time I spend under $50.
It helps if you speak Spanish and know how to sweet talk them and show them a good time.
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04-18-06 23:41 #212
while reading some posts....
Just wanted to pass this little bit of infomation on to the rest of the fellows...On my last trip , twice i had girls from the b.m. tell me " I WILL GIVE YOU THE PRICE OF $50.00 BUT YOU MUST PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANY OTHER GIRL" i kinda of proud myself of not going higher than 50.00 with any girl from the b.m. or key largo and on my last trip i never did ....i just keep finding better girls for alot less...so when i am in the b.m. i stick to my guns , well as i was saying twice i had girls make me promise not to tell...and this was no joke !! even after the deed they made sure it was clear to me not to tell...as there was some code for them not to go under 70..00 then it happen again and i said , they are trying to join forces to keep the price up, the way i roll now in san jose ...b.m. it a nice place to start the night off , a few drinks , meet up with your wing men, look at a few girls and then get the hell out of there....and as for me , i would hit it again about 3 to 4 in the a.m. ..as many have said before me ...the guys who stay that first nite in san jose then off to their fishing trip....are the ones that are giving in to the 100.00 if they were staying the rest of the week in san jose i think things would be much different...i would like to see them wear a hat "saying " in town for one nite only.........
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04-18-06 13:38 #211
Great post Lorenzo! My CA experience is limited primarily just to CR, but also a little with Guat and think you really hit the mark on at least those 2 countries and probably the others as well based on what I've heard elsewhere. I wouldn't have given Guat such a high mark relative to CR (though they do have some beauts, expensive as they are), but your Rio friends might question the rating you gave CR relative to their place, so I'm not going to quibble. Actually, it was not the low marks for Nicaragua, Belize and Honduras that surprised me (again based on what I've read by those countries own advocates in their respective ISG forums) but the relatively high marks for Guat (as I said before) and ES.
I was planning to visit ES on a similar tour through CA. I've heard that they get very few gringos visitors and that the people are among the friendliest in all of CA. Of course, the fact that they see so few of us may go hand in hand with why they're still so friendly (they haven't seen enough "ugly americans" yet). Because there are so few reports in that forum, I really didn't know much about the mongering. I was planning to visit a few tourist attractions but mostly pass through. I was also planning to take a side trip into Honduras up through the Copan ruins and on to Roatan for some diving with maybe a 1 night stopover in SPS for whatever mongering opportunities it had and bypass Teguc altogether. Now I'm thinking to maybe focus entirely on the tourist activities there and allot more time for ES mongering.
The other thing that sort of gratified me about your post was the reaction you got or should I say didn't get here. Some guys from other regional forums have criticized this group for being overly parochial in our appreciation of CR so it pleases me to hear that it wasn't the CR guys that gave you trouble. Of course, it helped that you had mostly positive things to say about CR but you didn't make us out as perfect. Based on what our detractors from other forums have posted one would have thought you would have gotten a rise out of us when you posted that CR was just a regional mongering spot but not a world class one, but you didn't. Now that I see you've given us a 9, I think that sounds pretty close to being world-class to me. Anyway, your experiences here show that we can take our lumps far better than some other places. I'm really surprised that some of the guys in the Nicaragua and Honduras forum reacted with such hostility to your reports. Granted you gave their countries very low marks, but have they tried reading any of their own posts lately? As near as I can tell, you didn't post anything that was much different from anything else you can read there. In fact, based on the other posts I've read in those forums they sound pretty dismal.
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04-18-06 04:50 #210
Central America Comparative Summary
This will be a summary of my recent month long mongering trip through all 7 Central American countries. I plan to post this report on the forums of all of these countries: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. As some of you know, I have alraedy posted several reports for each of the individual countries, some lengthy, some sketchy because there wasn't much to report. The responses to my reports were overwhelmingly positive, and I want to thank all the guys right now who posted positive responses on the threads and who sent me PMs. I got at least 10 PMs, all of them supportive, and I am grateful for these. A small number of negative responses were posted, all of them on the Honduras and Nicaragua forums. This was probably because I was less than enthusiastic about these countries, and some mongers apparently felt that I had insulted their favorite haunts. Now I am not an especially thin-skinned guy and can take my lumps, but I thought these few responses were surprisingly vicious. The posters seemed to feel the need to attack me personally. They seem to have no conception of the fact that reasonable people can have differing opinions on the same subject and still be civil to each other. I made it quite clear in each of my posts that it was my first time in CA and that I was taking this mongering trip largely out of curiosity to see how the mongering situation was in some countries I had never been to before. I made it clear, and want to make it clear now, that my reports are not intended for the veteran CA monger but for those, like myself, who are veteran mongers but who are new to this area, or at least some of the countries, and to this extent they may be helpful to some. If that isn't the case, well you can always ignore it and move on. But the negative posters just couldn't grasp this. They couldn't grasp why someone who is in a city for the first time might prefer to pay $55 to an escort service to have a chica come directly to his room for some excellent sex, rather than attempt to guide a brain dead taxi driver through the slums of Managua to find a hole in the wall massage parlor where he can get laid for $10. They seem to be unable to grasp that my time and my convenience are worth money too. These doofuses seem to exemplify Oscar Wilde's definition of a cynic as someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. But I guess some people will always be terminally stupid.
Anyway, on to mongering. First I want to make a few observations about visiting CA, based on my trips through these 7 countries, that some might find helpful:
1) With the exception of Costa Rica, the taxi drivers in CA seem NEVER to have change--NEVER. So you will be well advised, early in your stay in a country, to stock up on the country's smallest paper currency unit.
2) The taxi drivers in Guatemala City and Managua are the dumbest in the world--and I've been all over the world. In GC, always have the address written down. In Managua you can't even do this, because there aren't any addresses! By contrast, the San Jose taxi drivers seem smart and helpful.
3) Even top of the line hotels may not have all the amenities you might expect. For example, I didn't once see an English langauage newspaper in the 6 Spanish speaking countries; I guess they've never heard of the International Herald Tribune. This is surprising, because it can be found all over South America. What is even more surprising is that it is often hard to find newspapers even in Spanish; the Holiday Inn in Guatemala City had no newspapers at all. Similarly, if you need toothpaste or deodorant, don't expect your hotel to have it; you'll probably have to go to a tienda.
4) You will need to have some knowledge of Spanish--period. This is especially true in El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua.
5) I found Central Americans to be exceptionally warm, friendly, and helpful during my trip. I even had the manager of a Guatemala City restaurant drive me back to my hotel when I couldn't find a taxi. I didn't meet a single nasty person. But read on.
6) In all of these countries, watch your back. Your physical safety comes first. If you don't know an area, don't assume it's safe. Take a taxi from door to door, even for short distances. Take only official taxis, and except in Managua, don't get in a taxi if another passenger is in it. (In Managua, taxis are routinely shared.)
Now on to my comparative country ratings. In evaluating the countries comparatively, I took the following factors into consideration: the ease of getting pussy; the quality of the girls, i.e., physical attractiveness, without considering their expertise; the quality of the sexual experience, which means the sexual skills of the girls, physical attractiveness aside; and price. For the record, I had sex in all 7 countries, 11 girls, 14 encounters (3 of them repeats, obviously). I'll make comments on each of these factors for each country, and then I'll give each country a rating from 1 through 10. What am I using as my paradigms? Well, I'm a veteran Rio de Janeiro monger, and to me Rio is the pussy capital of the world, so Rio would get a 10: easily available sex, beautiful girls who are highly skilled sexually, and reasonable prices (although Rio has gotten more expensive lately). Bangkok would get a 9.75, only because Thai girls are not always good kissers. As for a 1, I've never experienced a 1, but it would be something like what I imagine a conservative Moslem country to be: a place where getting laid is difficult or impossible, and might even be dangerous. So those are the parameters, and herewith the individual country summaries.
BELIZE: There is only one reliable place to get laid in Belize, which is Raul's Rose Garden near the Belize City airport. An hour with a bored chica or Belizean girl resulting in lackluster sex will cost about US$75. A few posters say they have gotten connections to girls from taxi drivers, but I had no luck with this. OVERALL RATING: 2.
GUATEMALA: Guatemala City has the highest concentration of quality chicas in all of CA, approaching but not equaling the termas in Rio. They are also very skilled sexually and I had them do everything I asked. However, it is also the most expensive. In the two best clubs, the rates are US$78 for 1/2 hour and US$156 for an hour, fixed by the club, not negotiable. There are cheaper places, but the quality of girls is nowhere near as high. Avoid the Club Elite; it's a ripoff for people on expense accounts and gullible tourists. OVERALL RATING: 8
EL SALVADOR: This country is CA's hidden gem. Pussy is readily available, All the girls I was with are quite skilled sexually, and DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS seem to be the norm. CIM was no problem. And it's incredibly cheap! There is a slight variation in the prices at the clubs, but the average is about US$25 for 1/2 hour and US$40 for an hour. So what's the drawback? Simple: the quality of the girls is not high. There are some attractive honeys available if you look, but the majority of the girls in the houses are skanks, and some are outright pigs. But as I said, the good ones are there if you look--really look. On the San Salvador thread, Cpteasy's posts are quite informative. OVERALL RATING: 8.5
HONDURAS: A wretched country; if Honduras has any redeeming qualities, I didn't see any. Don't come here for mongering. If you must come here, I suppose you can find something. You'll probably fare better in San Pedro Sula than Tegucigalpa. On the SPS thread, Ford's posts are pretty good. As for Tegucigalpa, forget it. It's easier to get laid in North Korea than Tegucigalpa. (If you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not: read my post from the North Korea forum: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...1&postcount=44.) All I could manage to get was a hand job. As far as I could tell from the Tegucigalpa thread, that's all that anyone got. I read every single post on this thread and didn't find a single person who got laid or even got a blow job. OVERALL RATING: 1.5
NICARAGUA: Not quite as wretched as Honduras, but close. At least Leon is interesting as a tourist attraction, and I have heard Granada is too. Managua is a chaotic city where the streets don't even have names. Your best bet for mongering is to call an escort service in the Yellow Pages and hope for the best. I had good results from Bellamaris; cost US$55. OVERALL RATING: 4
COSTA RICA: Costa Rica, especially San Jose, is one of the best documented forums on this website, so I don't need to say a lot. Pussy is readily available, all over the place actually. The girls are uniformly good in bed, DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS the norm. Prices are reasonable; I never paid more than US$60 for an hour. Quality of girls overall is so so. There are some very attractive ones available, but a large number of skanks as well. Your best bet for finding quality chicas is the Sportsmens Lodge. What keeps me from giving CR a 10 is the fact that San Jose just isn't a very interesting city, so there's not much to do but monger. The tourist attractions lie elsewhere in the country. OVERALL RATING: 9
PANAMA: I didn't give Panama the attention it deserves, largely because I was doing tourist things like a canal boat ride, and I was recovering from being sick. I only mongered at one place, River Club, where I got a beautiful chica who was lousy in bed. Cost $US80 cash, $85 credit card. But pussy seems readily available, and I assume that what I paid was representative. But my rating will have to be tentative because of my limited mongering there, so I am basing it largely on other mongers reports as well as my own experience. OVERALL RATING: 7
So there it is. I hope some mongers will find this helpful. If you have experiences to add, please share them. Let's help maintain what should be the fraternal nature of this forum.
Lorenzo
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04-17-06 20:57 #209I've done this sometimes with mixed results. If they're really bitches, I will just shut it down right then, and then kick them out or leave. I've had this happen at some cheap places (Molino Rojo), where I just left after they failed to deliver (BBBJ). I don't ask for my money back, but do tell the condom desk that they were bad. Probably didn't make a difference. Originally Posted by Johnny Sax
I'm always really strict, if they break the prefuck agreement. If they promise/agree to something, and then refuse when they get in the room, then it's over. Either no money, or some taxi money or something. Doing otherwise only encourages them to rip others off.
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04-17-06 20:12 #208
Tipping
One technique I use is, after I have spent some time with them back at the bar and determined that they are not going to rush me or be bitches, is to also let them know there will be an undetermined tip after we're done, if they treat me right. Usually that will be $5-$10, but if they are bitches in any way, it may be zero, and I'll tell them why if they ask about it. Originally Posted by Chase Star
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04-15-06 16:12 #207
I think there were very astute observations all around by EACH of us in the last 3 posts. Members with less mongering experience would do well to study all of those posts carefully. I'd like to add a few comments though that Lorenzo's post brought to mind:
1) Spending time talking to the chica first is really the best screening tool. You don't even really have to spend that time "interviewing" her per se for the possible session ahead. One thing that I like to do is invite them over to the KL for a little dancing. If they're willing to take that short walk, which means they're going to HAVE to spend a little extra time with you, its a good sign. If they balk and just keep trying to get you to commit to taking them back to your room, then that may be a warning sign. Originally Posted by Lorenzo
2) While the various prescreening methods can improve your odds they're still FAR from perfect. Guys often use the fishing metaphor to describe what we do in the "pink snapper" palace of the Blue Marlin, but who is REALLY doing the fishing is an open question. Sometimes I think they're really reeling US in rather than the other way around. They know (or at least the craftier ones do) what we look for INCLUDING the "non-rush" factor. To them its like reeling in a fish. You don't rush it or the fish may break the line. On the other hand once you get them in the boat, you just quickly put them on ice and toss in the line again. A girl may say AND DO all the right things in the bar and yet even then when you get them back to your room turn into an entirely different creature.
3) Which brings us to why Lorenzo's last comments are SO important. Vets already know this but it should be repeated in big bold letters "NEVER EVER PAY UP FRONT, at least not in CR for an indie girl (some fixed price MP's are a somewhat different story). There is an oft quoted saying that many of you have heard but others might not have which is "WE NEVER PAY FOR SEX, WE PAY THEM TO LEAVE". Think about that. It is true on several levels, which I could really go off and philosophize about, but the one that is relevant here is the literal one. We shouldn't pay at the beginning for sex. We should pay at the end, ostensibly for the sex we've just had, but in many other ways just to get them to leave.
Lorenzo's estimate is pretty good. The majority probably won't even ask for the money up front, though that balance is shifting unfavorably among BM girls as they find increasing numbers of suckers who don't know any better. But even if they do at least 9 in 10 will EASILY back down once you reveal you know how its normally done and insist (hey you can't blame a girl for trying).
As for the ones that are more insistant themselves. Watchout! Its easy to let your little head do the thinking once you've gone through the whole process of leaving the BM, going back to your room checking in (and sometimes paying a chica fee) and possibly getting yourself partially worked up along the way. BTW, sometimes they'll start to strip and/or do a little rubbing to get you worked up before they drop the payment bomb but sometimes they do it first thing before they start to disrobe which might be because they fear you might change your mind once you see what pops out of their clothes once they start to disrobe. If you're tempted to give in don't. If you have to argue with them for more than a minute forget it. Once you've paid you've lost control over the situation and they'll feel less compelled to give it their all or even possibly deliver on all the services that they so assuredly promised you back at the bar. Even if you're able to get them to back down, if you had to really work to get them to do it, it is a bad sign. For one thing, you've changed the tone of the session from one that is a possible GFFE to one that is clearly commercial. That is a tone that is very hard to get back. More importantly, the girl has revealed something about herself. Maybe her hidden agenda was to get you off and get back to the bar as quickly as possible. That will not have changed. Or maybe she is just going along but will be harboring some sort of resentment over losing that point that will impact her performance. Either way its not a situation worth risking.
The other possibility is that you have to show them you have the money or put it out on top of your bureau or even offer a partial payment with a promise of the balance or even a tip at the end. Some guys will do this. Heck, I'll even admit I have done that on a couple of desperate occasions, but I don't think it is really that good an idea for many of the same reasons outlined above. If it has to come to that, the level of trust and chemistry is not there and the quality of the upcoming session becomes more iffy.
Of course the flip side to this whole discussion is that, by resisting their insistance that we pay them first and trust that they'll deliver as promised, we're essentially insisting ourselves that they trust US to live up to our own word at the end. Given that they're basically *****s (okay, some guys insist that they're people too and don't like that term, but its still basically what they are), IMHO, WE have more reason not to trust THEM. Of course, a lot of them are basically honest business people who follow some sort of code of behavior, but a lot of them would do just about anything they could to part you from your money whether it be in an honest way or not. For their part, I'm sure the chicas encounter more than their share of scumbag mongers that wouldn't have any qualms about shortchanging them. I'd like to believe those guys are a small minority, but I'm sure it happens often enough to explain why some of the chicas are so reluctant to trust the rest of us to live up to our word to pay them at the end.
The moral is to NEVER pay up front, but ALWAYS pay at the end as promised for services delivered as promised (another reason for clarifying what will and won't be done ahead of time). Guys who rip off working girls in this way, make it harder for the rest of us who try to practice this hobby in an honorable way.
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04-15-06 09:54 #206
you said it!
Right. I met a guy last time I was at the BM, who loved fat chicks! I don't mean girls with what I call the "Latina tummy", I mean downright FAT chicks. I was shocked at the girls he went for, and I don't think it was because they were cheap, it was just his thing. Weird. To each his own! As to the aggresion factor, that too is true. I have sat in Key Largo late at night, not really looking for sex, just hanging out, when this older, not so great looking woman came and worked on me... Over time, I began to find her sexy, and she started really turning me on, and I thought, "What the hell? For $50, I might have a really good time with this woman!" ... and it turned out that I did. She wasn't butt ugly, but she certainly wasn't someone I'd have seen in the bar and said "Wow! I gotta have some of that!" But sometimes it pays off, and you end up having great sex! Originally Posted by Chase Star
I totally agree. Sometimes it is way better to go with a very friendly and nice 7-8 than it is to go with a 10 who is just going to give you a "wham, bang, thank you, man!" and get right back for another $100. Fortunately although I can appreciate a 10 as much as the next guy, I also have my own "type" and they are more the "cute" type who are 7's, 8's and 9's, and I usually see a 10 and automatically think, "Yeah, but she's going to be a b*tch!" Originally Posted by Chase Star
I agree 100%. I wasn't implying that I go for those 9's and 10's, only that they are there to behold, that the selection is good. My mongering buddy and I have opposite approaches. He goes only for the 9's and 10's and puts up with the fact that they often don't provide great service. For him, it's just the idea of being with someone who looks so hot and sexy. I've been there, done that, but I find it much more satisfying to be with a 7 or 8 who gives me a GFE or at least is fun to be with and isn't in a hurry. Originally Posted by Chase Star
I think it is a combination of pride, plus not needing to make that much money. On the other hand, how proud can they be, standing there for hours, and knowing that all night no one was willing to pay them $100? It is STILL a mystery to me, because I just can't see why they wouldn't rather make $70 or so, and get the money in their pocket with the opportunity to MAYBE come back and make another $70 or so, and avoid the embarrassment of being "passed over" all night. Originally Posted by Chase Star
Exactly. This is what often happens to those who play that game: their girl ends up finding someone else and they lose out, feel bummed that they didn't get her. I say if you want one particular girl THAT bad, then you should just go to her, negotiate as best you can, and head back with her. I usually am more flexible and I find enough girls I'm interested in, that if one holds out for $80 or more, I'll move on to the next girl. I usually prefer not to pay more than $70 or so, which is why I prefer Zona Blue, New Fantasy (at least, before when there were some hot babes there), and Idem. But I HAVE paid $100, but only for the whole night, and with a girl who I really enjoyed hanging out with for a couple hours before we headed to my room Originally Posted by Chase Star
Again, I agree 100%. I also like to do repeat business with girls I know are good. If I know someone is great, and we had a great time together, I'll usually go with her at least one more time. Originally Posted by Chase Star
But I also like variety, and that's where the risk comes in. I always buy them a drink or two, talk to them awhile, and see how they act. If they don't want to hang out and talk for at least half an hour, then the hell with them. There was this one Asian girl (1/2 Asian) in the BM and I went over to talk with her. After about 2 minutes, she asked me if I wanted to go to my room, and I said "Maybe, in a while..." and she said, "Well, I'm working right now, so I don't want to talk," and brushed me off. I feel sorry for the suckers who get stuck with girls like this! But it's "live and learn"; I guess after you've had a girl like that - no matter how hot she looks - you soon learn to try harder to "read" a girl before choosing her.
I HAVE had girls I consider 10's, and I've gotten them for $80 or so. However, usually it isn't worth it to me, and 9 out of 10 of them are not that good at what they do and are in a hurry to get back. I've only ever had a couple of 10's who I felt were worth the money, whereas I've had many 7's and 8's who were worth double or triple what I paid. Priceless, actually!
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04-15-06 02:01 #205
Chase Star,
Very astute observations. We're all different and have different wants and needs, but for me the GFE is the most important thing. I'd rather have a GFE with a 6 than go with a 10 who acts bored, rushed, cold, and bitchy. There's much more to sexual arousal than physical appearance. There has to be some chemistry. That's why it's a good idea to spend some time talking with a chica before committing to anything. If you have good chemistry during the preliminary talking session, you're likely to have it in the bedroom, too. Of course, there are always exceptions. I've had chicas who underwent a complete personality change once we get to the bedroom, or to be more precise, once I've paid her. This is why I've learned from bitter experience never to pay up front. Once you've gotten to the bedroom, 9 out of 10 chicas will agree to being paid when you've finished, if they even bring it up at all. If a girl insists on being paid up front, don't hesitate to show her the door. If you don't, you will almost certainly have a lousy experience.
You're also absolutely right about the importance of negotiating for services rather than price. This is just good common sense. You want to know what you're paying for before you discuss price. I always tell a chica what I want; if she doesn't agree, I move on and we never get to price. I've never had a chica not do what she said she was going to do, primarily because I think she knows that if she doesn't perform she won't get paid, at least not the full amount we agreed on.
Lorenzo
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04-15-06 00:10 #204
Great report, Lorenzo! Though I can't speak on how CR compares to other CA countries (except for Guatemala), I would have to agree with you on most of the rest of your commentary. I agree that CR may not be a world class mongering destination on the level of BKK or Rio, but IS a first class regional spot. The KEY though is that it is in a region that is much more easily accessible to the North American monger than those other places. Allow me to add a few other observations in relation to some of the other points you just made.
First, regarding the SL. The noise factor is one that has been commonly mentioned. I've never stayed there myself but I have visited there and can definitely see what everybody is talking about. The problem is not all that unique to the SL, though it might be a little worse there than it is at some of the other offenders. Besides the raucousness at the bar or the possibly "paper thin" walls, I think the problem is really mostly due to the predominance of hard surfaces throughout the building. Frankly, I think the Prez has a very similar problem for exactly the same reason. The only real difference is that the News Cafe is shut off from the rest of the building and is not really a major noise producer anyway. But you still get the noise from drunken mongers and moaning chicas everywhere else in the building. Some of the other hotels have carpeted rooms and common areas which keeps the noise down much more but also makes for a more rundown, dirty and threadbare appearance over time as carpeting is harder to keep clean and maintain. This may be a deal stopper for a lot of guys, but I think its no big deal and a fairly simple solution to just bring a pair of earplugs if you're a light sleeper and expect this might be a problem.
Next (enough about hotels), what about the chicas at the BM? Again, I can readily see what Lorenzo is talking about. A big part of the reason for the paucity of talent was certainly the time of day but I think the place is also vastly over-rated even later in the evening (more on that in a moment). What it does have going for it is volume. Quality is another question. Lorenzo's DAY-time scouting report of over 30 women, some attractive but no real headturners and quite a few skanks jibes with my own DAYtime experiences there (except perhaps that it was probably busier than usual for that time of day).
As Lorenzo realized the prime talent comes out at prime time. The corrolary is that the skanks come out when the competition is less. The answer to the question of who goes with these chicas is at the same time quite simple and also an age-old mystery. First of all, few guys do go for them BUT it only takes ONE desperate fool per week for those skanks to hit their target. But how do they even get that one? There's the mystery. There's someone for everyone and there's no accounting for taste. Some guys like gordas. Some guys like skanks. Some guys like to REALLY bargain shop. Some guys are just plain blind. Another explanation is that aggressiveness that Lorenzo alluded to. Because they're so fugly, they HAVE to be aggressive and because they're so aggressive it sometimes pays off.
Despite all that, I still think it is sometimes worthwhile to do a little early fishing. Along with fewer chicas, you also have fewer mongers and many of the mongers you do have there during the day are just chilling out. So there's also less competition from fellow mongers and if there is a fairly decent looking chica that pops in you can just swoop in on her (something that is not always so easy to do later at night). Another thing is that there is a lot to be said for going with just decent looking 7's & 8's as opposed to waiting until later at night for the 9's & 10's as they often provide much better service. And some additional factors is that they may be less rushed, less drunk and/or less in a hurry to get back to the BM for another score during the day when there isn't so much going on back there than they'd be once the sun goes down.
Which brings me to my statement about the place being over-rated at night as well. I know this will get me some flak from other members, but I think its true. Johnnysax said:This may well be completely true. The question though should really be what you'll have to pay for those 9's & 10's and what sort of service you'll get from them in most cases. Now I'm not talking about comparing them to their equivalent in the US. Of course you won't even get a 7 in the US for $100/hour but that's not a fair or even relevant comparison. You've spent all this money to fly down there and to stay and you EXPECT to get more. The comparison you should be making is to what you could get for your money elsewhere in SJ or even elsewhere in the world for a similar investment of money and time.If you can't find at least half a dozen you would want to take to your room, after 9pm, or 10pm, then you must be WAY too picky. I can never walk in there in the evening without seeing at least a dozen or so I'd love to try out, and if I were rich, all I can say is, my dick would be sore after a couple days.
By and large the BEST looking talent at the BM (that top half dozen or so tha JS referred to) are very hard if not impossible to bargain down much below their $100 (or recently sometimes even higher) initial asking price. In other words, you WOULD have to be rich to get a sore dick with them. And the reason is very simple. They don't have to discount their rates because they can wait it out and will soon find some other sucker who is more than happy to pay that top dollar. Even for me it might be worth paying that much IF I KNEW she was REALLY as good as she looks. However, often it is those chicas who don't deliver up what their looks or demeanor at the bar promises: a) because they're simply so hot they feel they don't have to and b) because they know the sooner they finish up with you they can get back to the bar and find some other guy to pay them another $100 within minutes of getting back there. For some guys that doesn't matter. Just being with a 10 is worth the extra dough even if she doesn't provide GFE. I realize these generalizations are not true of all the hottest chicas but, unless you've been with that chica before or one of your friends have and therefore you KNOW what you're getting, its true with a large enough percentage that it isn't generally worth taking the chance.
The chicas that I don't understand are the 2nd tier looking chicas (the 7's and 8's) who hold to the $100 price all night hour after hour. I guess they'd rather go once per night for an hour at $100 than 2-3 times or more during the course of an evening for $60 per throw. Maybe its simple pride or maybe they're making so much more (sitting around having guys buy them drinks all night and then making that $100 for an hour's work) than they would working hard all day in some shop that the $100 is all they need or want.
Fortunately for us, not all of these 7's and 8's are so stuck on the $100 mark and the deeper in the barrel you fish or the later in the evening you wait the more flexibility in pricing you are likely to find them. The trick is to find the right balance. Do you hold out on the hot chica you have your eye on until later in the evening when she'll be more flexible hoping no one else will go for her $100 price either or do you risk she'll find her mark for the evening and it won't be you? Generally, I've found that can be a very dangerous game not worth playing since you'll probably find the selection not quite as good at 2AM. Do you go with the 6 who readily dropped her rate to $50/hr and will probably go GFE all over your ass for that and/or stay well beyond the hour or do you go with an 8 that you had to work down to $80/hr and may or may not be so wild in bed? It should also be pointed that the relationships between what you pay, what she looks like and how good she is back at your room do not always correlate. I've had $50 6's who were rip-off artists. I've had 8's that were total GFE's worth well more than what I paid. I've had 7's that I had to work to get down to $70 and later regretted not just walking away. You can negotiate and interview but you never really know what you're getting. That's why I like to repeat with chicas I've been with before and KNOW are good or at least go with chicas that were recommended by guys I trust. My last observation is that in my experience it is usually better to negotiate the services than to overly negotiate the price. I'd rather pay $80 or $100 for a couple of hours than work a girl down to $50 for an hour. She may agree to $50 but she'll be thinking of getting back to the bar to make the rest of her nightly target. But for $100, its not unlikely that she'll feel like she's made her goal for the night and if you treat her right she'll give you even more than you asked for in terms of service and/or time.
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04-14-06 17:21 #203I don't see why not, as long as you spend some money on food or booze. There's an armed security guard at the front entrance, but he'll probably let any gringo in. Originally Posted by Johnny Sax
I did pick up someone at the Del Rey a few days earlier who was very good. I didn't mean to imply that it isn't a good place to find women. I was just surprised at the high percentage of skanks. But you can always pass on the skanks and go straight to the babes. I was just puzzled as to who would go with them and how they survived.
I did get to Panama City, and I posted a report. However, as my report indicates, I didn't do it justice. If I had to do this trip over, I would do it in reverse, i.e., start in Panama and work my way north, ending in Belize. That way I would have more energy for Panama and Costa Rica.
Lorenzo
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04-14-06 08:46 #202
Thanks for the report
Originally Posted by Lorenzo
Thanks for the report, this is very helpful.
I have been thinking of staying at the SL now that the Prez is turning away chicas due to some half-baked dress code. But I will now look elsewhere if it's that noisy. Can one go hang out at the SL without staying there? That might be more my style. When I call it a night, I want to be able to sleep, not hear drunks at a bar, etc.
As to the Del Rey, I can see how it might be full of skanks at 1pm, although the few times I've gone in there in the afternoon, I've always found at least a few girls who would have been worthy of a $50 afternoon delight. But I hope you realize that at night it's another story. If you can't find at least half a dozen you would want to take to your room, after 9pm, or 10pm, then you must be WAY too picky. I can never walk in there in the evening without seeing at least a dozen or so I'd love to try out, and if I were rich, all I can say is, my dick would be sore after a couple days... But to each his own, and maybe Ticas and Nicas just aren't your style, overall. Glad you found a suitable one at the SL though. Are you going to Panama? I'll be curious to see how you find Panama compares with Costa Rica. I did not make it to Panama City, only David, so I can't really say. But I thought David was sorely lacking both in mongering destinations and in good looking women.
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04-14-06 06:08 #201
This will be my second and last report from Costa Rica on my ongoing series of reports on my mongering tour through Central America. Actually I'm now back in the US, but I need to finish my reports for Costa Rica and Panama, after which I plan to issue a comparative rating of all 7 CA countries. Unfortunately I lost some time from mongering in CR that I never got back, due to some wildlife excursions and then an unexpected attack of the stomach flu that laid me up for a day and a half. Consequently, I was never able to sample any of the 'houses' in San Jose and see how they compare to those in other countries. I had especially wanted to go to Zona Blue, but the gods of mongering didn't let it happen.
On my last full day in San Jose, I made another walk through the Blue Marlin, hoping I wouldn't be as turned off as I was the first time. I walked through about 1:00 PM, and even at that time there were over 30 women there. Many were quite young and a handful were attractive and doable, but no head turners. But this is understandable considering the time of day. I'm sure the 9s and 10s wait until prime time to come out. But what struck me about the Blue Marlin was the incredible number of skanks. Again, maybe it was the time of day. But I found it hard to believe that some of these women would have the nerve to offer themselves for sale. There was one woman who was at least 50 years old, and ugly. There were several other women who appeared to be middle aged, and they were the most aggressive. Several of them accosted me, saying they wanted me. How they stood a chance competing with the younger girls, I don't know. Somebody must be desperate enough to go with them, or they wouldn't come back. But I decided that this scene wasn't for me and went back to the Sportsmen's Lodge and took a brief nap.
By this time it was later in the afternoon and I was ready for action. There were several fine looking girls sitting at the Sportsmen's bar, and one of them caught my eye so we sat down to talk. Her name was Raquel, she was 26, and she was ready to bargain. We negotiated what sex acts we would perform and agreed on a price of US$60, then went back to my room. What a way to spend the afternoon! It was a first rate sexual experience. Raquel has a beautiful body, as attractive as her face, and she was great in bed. She was totally unhurried, and it was a true GFE. We did DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS in the reverse cowgirl position, which has now become my favorite position. Like a true pro, she kept pumping me even after I came to make sure I got it all out. I would recommend Raquel most highly. Caution: there is another girl named Raquel who is nowhere near as attractive. The Raquel I was with has deep set eyes, brown hair, and is 26. I'll post a photo separately. A true gem. BTW, Raquel confirmed, when I asked her, that all the girls who hang around Sportsmen's are prescreened by management, which I was glad to hear. They don't want just anyone hanging around there. This explains the high percentage of attractive girls.
I think I need to elaborate a bit more on the Sportsmen's, because none of the previous posts I have read give an accurate sense of what staying there is like, including both the pros and cons. First, the pros. I don't think I realized before I stayed there that Sportsmen's is strictly a mongering hotel. I don't think anyone else stays there but mongers, or if they do they don't stay long. Early in my stay there I did see an elderly couple one night, but they weren't there the next night. In my previous report I stated that the clientele seemed to be mostly older mongers, but later I did see some younger mongers there. This hotel is totally centered around mongering; mongering is it's focus, it's raison d'etre. And toward this end they even supply the girls, although there is no pressure to go with the girls, and you are perfectly free not to and to go elsewhere. I am not exaggerating when I make the following statement: if you come to Costa Rica for the primary purpose of mongering, you can, if you want to, stay at the Sportsmen's and never leave during the entire stay. They have a restaurant, a bar, cable, and girls. You probably would want to get out after a few days, but you don't have to if you don't want to.
So what's the downside? Very simple: the noise level. I don't know if this is true of the rooms in the back, but I stayed in the Presidential Suite, in the very front, so I'm sure what I'm saying is true of all the rooms around the central atrium. The walls are like paper; you can hear every footstep, every cough, every conversation in the vicinity of the room. In fact, I was a little self-conscious when fucking because all three of my partners moaned during sex, and I let out a moan myself when I came. Since all of these encounters occurred during the day, I'm sure this could be heard outside, although I really didn't give a shit.
At night, Sportsmen's is especially noisy. There are a bunch of drunken, raucous mongers talking, whooping, and guffawing in the bar until nearly midnight, when management brings it to an abrupt halt. One night around 10pm I was working on the computer when I heard an unusual amount of noise coming from the bar. I went in to see what was going on. There were two chicas standing on the bar, in effect doing a strip tease. Guys were yelling at them to take it off, take it off, and stuffing bills into their panties. I didn't stick around long enough to see if they actually got naked. But the noise continued. So you'll have to decide for yourself if this high noise level is worth it. If I were to come to San Jose again, I would probably stay there, put up with the noise, and go out just to eat, maybe taking a chica with me.
Overall, Costa Rica is probably the best mongering spot in CA, with El Salvador a close second. ES has the advantage of being unspoiled and having very few gringo tourists, but this will probably change eventually. CR falls short of being a world class mongering spot like Rio or Bangkok, but it is a first class regional mongering site. Since I am one of the few mongers on this forum--maybe the only one--who has mongered in all 7 CA countries, I plan to put together a comparative rating of all 7 countries and post it on each country's threads.
Lorenzo
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