San Jose General Reports

[Rzoll77]

I have lived in SJ for 4 years and I also read La Nacion everyday and I think think archie is more correct in this matter.

When you read about the violent nasty killings and crime on a daily basis you get a feel for the danger level.

Sure a foolish gringo may not get hurt seriously in a mugging but no way do I want a jittery crackhead pointing a gun at my head.

Walking late at night from the DR to av 9 is foolish at best.

Or talk to some Ticos, they know the danger level more than any instant know it all gringo tourist. Why do you think the streets are deserted late at night? The Ticos know better.

It is very simple. Take a cab at night and walk virtually anywhere during the day.

[Prolijo]

How safe is it in the bars and MPs? Are some safer than others? I would assume its pretty safe at these places but there always exceptions.

MP's are fairly safe, but the neighborhoods they're sometimes in are not. Mitigating that is the fact that you normally go to such places only during the day. That said, I wouldn't bring any more cash to an MP than I was planning to spend. I don't think it is very common, but who knows who might slip into the room and go through your pockets while you are taking a shower or otherwise indisposed.

Bars are another story. Again, the real danger probably comes from where the bars are located. And the fact that we're probably talking more about night time activities doesn't exactly help. If you're cruising the tico bars of the zona roja, then you better be careful walking around outside the bar and take a cab home (and to get there depending on how early you start drinking). The gringo bars like the BM are only slightly different. The mere fact that there are many gringos there with money in their pockets will attract lots of ne'er do wells just outside its doors. Inside, security keeps it fairly safe. Again, there is always the possible danger of being pickpocketed anywhere so keep it secure no matter where you are, never flash your dough and try not to carry any more cash than you really need to (your bankroll should stay at home, that is what your hotel safe is for)

Be smart, be careful but don't become paranoid about it.

[Prolijo]

Archie,
I don't really have the energy or desire to rehash this old debate yet again. Everyone has their own view on this and will do whatever they think best. However, I will repeat or clarify a few key points.

1) I did not mean to encourage any unknowing newbies to blindly walk the streets at night. You should note that I couched what I said by saying such things as: not a walk in the park, not perfectly safe, sometimes makes sense, etc. I also tried to emphasize the vital importance of basic street sense which I'd now add many guys, particularly newbies, don't seem to have. One of the elements of that street sense that is perhaps the most important is knowing which areas we'd all agree should NOT be walked alone after dark under ANY circumstances. That knowledge only really comes from local experience. For example, Sir Real walked alone all the way from the Arcada neighborhood. That takes you through areas that even I wouldn't walk now. Even he reportedly sensed that the area was somewhat dodgey but ignored his gut. That is a newbie mistake. If you don't really know how dangerous an area might be, don't walk it.

2) As for the opinions on CRT, it is true that most guys share your views, but it is definitely NOT universal. There are other guys, including vets, who share my view and they also get roundly criticised whenever they state their opinion. Does that make the minority view wrong? Not necessarily. What I've been describing is a sort of mass hysteria or at least a mass over-reaction to an admittedly bad situation that has been getting worse. Are muggings a real and growing problem in SJ? Absolutely. Does that mean you'll probably get mugged every other time you dare to walk more than a few steps at night, as some of the warnings seem to suggest? IMHO,that is the over-reaction.

3) Your initial response also included the speculation about "getting seriously hurt with the potential for permanent damage". I'm sure you could cite numerous cases of guys getting mugged (more on that in a moment), but I challenge you to cite even one case where a gringo got seriously hurt (other than in his wallet) let alone suffered permanent damage from a mugging where he did not resist. It hasn't happened. Would I WANT possibly to get even just scuffed up or punched in the stomach or MAYBE something slightly worse? Of course not, but your post suggested risks far greater than anything like that.

4) Of course there are no real statistics on crime on Gringos in SJ, at least none that is reliable. The mass fear is based mostly on anecdotal reports of gringos that have been mugged, and there HAVE been many. Those stories grab our attention. However there are also many many more guys who have travelled down there without any incidents (or only an isolated incident after many many trips). No one writes a report like "I went to CR and did NOT get mugged".

5) The other problem with basing your reaction on such anecdotal reports is that you usually don't know all the contributing factors. If you go back over those reports you'll see that the majority of them reveal at least some critical contributing factor such as having had too much to drink, or that a gold chain or expensive watch "was stolen" (but less often the less obvious fact that they shouldn't have even been wearing that gold chain or watch to begin with). The rest of them don't state or admit what contributing factors might have been present, but I'm guessing that some were there. If you factor out all those cases and just look at the cases where guys cautiously walk short distances after dark, you'll see the odds of getting mugged really are much less than have been reported (though not non-existent).

6) There certainly are plenty of situations that call for taking a cab after dark. Going to or from the Arcada area is one of them if for no other reason than it is a fairly decent walk distance-wise and if you add that to the security aspect and it definitely tips the scales. Even walking the short distance between the HDR and the Prez might make some sense on occasion if you had been drinking, had gambling winnings, had a chica with you, etc. but that area is a particularly bad area for muggings because it is so target rich for muggers. However walking the 2-3 blocks along deserted Avenida 9 like you describe is not the risky proposition that you portrayed of you have any sense about you.

Finally, I want to re-emphasize that I'm in the unenviable role of playing the devil's advocate here. Nowhere did I state or even mean to suggest that walking SJ after dark is perfectly safe. What I've been saying is that the dangers are often way overstated. And rarely have I seen it more overstated than in your post when you compared it to some of the other things that you've done and seemed to blow off in comparison. Compare it to the safe residential neighborhoods that most of us come from if you want, in which case SJ is very dangerous. But don't compare it to those other places and make it seem like SJ is the most dangerous place on the planet, because it is not.

[Superman06]

How safe is it in the bars and MPs? Are some safer than others? I would assume its pretty safe at these places but there always exceptions.

You might have problems going to MP's on Calle 6 or 7 at night. Most NA mongers avoid these areas on foot at night, some even in the daytime. But I personally ever had a problem in the daytime. Inside the MP's shouldn't be a problem. Bars might be another matter but I never had a problem. I went to a few Tico bars with experienced SJ mongers and never had a problem. I was told to avoid some local places by the same mongers. If your going there meet up with some of the experienced mongers or CRT members at the usual Gringo hangouts, like the HDR, New York Bar and all the rest. But if you RTFF you'll see all the "safe" places to hang out.

[Pure Power]

I have been to SJ a few times and am returning in late May. Many parts of SJ are very safe during the day time, but after dark things and people change. I always get this eerie feeling walking from the SL to the Castillo. Hell I have even thought about taking a cab. I wouldn't even THINK about walking from the Del Rey to the Castillo at night, thats just asking for trouble. Things are just not safe around SJ at night. If you see a group of 3 or more people walking at night, just walk the other way or opposite side of the street.

A taxi driver even showed me a few places where it would not be safe to walk during the day. I think he said it was a Barrio where the Panamanians hang out?

[Junky11]

How safe is it in the bars and MPs? Are some safer than others? I would assume its pretty safe at these places but there always exceptions.

[ArchieLeach]

Prolijo, you're an experienced monger so you can call your own shots. I respect that.

But it seems to me that it's irresponsible (not saying you're doing this) to encourage any newbie to walk around at night in SJ. It's just simply not safe. Is everywhere in the US safe? Hell no. I wouldn't walk plenty of places here where I live. Hell, I wouldn't even go into some neighborhoods even in a car if I didn't have to.

But SJ in particular is not safe for street walking at night. Point Blank. That's not my opinion, that's the opinion of virtually every experienced traveler I've ever heard (present company excepted) on CRT.

On CRT just a month or so ago another guy got beat up pretty bad. He was a friend of Phoenix's.

Within the last few months a lot of the guys have been talking about things that have happened and talking about what to do about it (some suggestions more reasonable than others), but the point is that it's generally considered to be unsafe. I heard that from every experienced monger in SJ. You're the first to disagree. That's cool. I respect your opinion. But you are the first I've heard blow it off.

If you wish to run the statistics, that's fine. I'm not lecturing you. You know what you're doing. But let's not sugar coat it and blow it off. This is serious stuff. We can hypothesize from the comfort of our keyboards, but I wouldn't want to be a contributing factor of some kid getting his head kicked in by 5 Ticos for his $100 because we told him Morazon was a good place to walk through at night on his way from SL to the DR.

I don't want to sound too fear-mongering either (perhaps I came across that way). But I just don't think it's worth it. It didn't take me any more than the ride from the airport to the SL to realize "I don't think we're in Kansas any more Toto". SJ is different than Bangkok. I wouldn't walk Klong Toey at night either, but that's the exception. But don't misunderstand that I'm suggesting that all of those things I listed were "less" dangerous than SJ. That's not what I'm saying. What I was showing is that I've been there and done that, so it's not like I've lived my life in a bubble. I wouldn't do many of the things I've done in my past again now. That's the point of being older and wiser.

I guess YMMV. But I'm sticking to what I've been told, and what I've seen. And I would second the common saying on CRT "Rule #1, put your butt in a taxi, Rule #2 ???"

[Prolijo]

archie,
if you've really done all those things you say you have then i'm really surprised you think sj is so bad. i'm not saying walking everywhere in sj after dark is a like a walk in the park, but i would say walking most of those routes that you mentioned are certainly no more dangerous than some of the other things you have done. we all need to put things in perspective and not blow things out of proportion. there are many things we all do that if you could look at it statistically are much more dangerous than those walks that you described.

i've walked back from idem to the hdr/bm after it closed (around midnight) and walked back from the hdr/bm to my hotel on avenida 9 many times after dark and never had any problem. i've even done those things solo (more times than not). i'm not saying that it is perfectly safe (what is?), but it is a calculated risk that at least sometimes makes sense.

sure a cab only costs a buck or two, but that is a buck or two every time. what are the real odds of getting mugged and what are the likely consequences?

like i said, i've done short walks dozens of times and have never been mugged. have i just been lucky? perhaps. or maybe there is something else about how i go about it? like i said before i usually walk alone. that certainly is not a factor in my favor and yet based on my experience the odds have been less than 1 in dozens of walks for me. a couple more caveats. if it were a matter of walking through a really dangerous area like parque central or the zona roja, or some great distance, then i'd spring for a cab. but i could sprint from the hdr all the way to the sl before the trannies even knew what was happening if i had to. btw, i'd also never cheap out and undertake such a walk with a chica because a) she probably couldn't run so easily if we needed to (particularly if she were in high heels) and b) i'm not a cad who would run and leave her to fend for herself. i'd also never walk it if i were drunk, which from what i've seen is a common factor in many of the robberies that i've seen reported. i'm 6'1" 205lbs, in pretty good shape, and walk very purposefully and alertly, which might discourage some would-be muggers, but i realize i'm no match for a guy (or group of guys) with a gun if i were to let them get close enough to pull one. which is another thing. i try not to let anyone get that close. i watch where i'm going and glance back frequently behind me. i'll cross the street or even walk a block or 2 out of my way to avoid any questionable character(s) and i'll even run if i think i have to. but, if i ever was cornered, i'd give up my money without a fight. these are all fairly common sensical things to do if you're going to walk at night (or even, sometimes and in some places around the world, during the day), but you'd be surprised how many guys make stupid mistakes and those are the ones who make the odds seem so much worse than they really are. so the chances of any walker who takes those basic precautions of getting mugged are much less than the certainty of the cabfare no matter how small that amount might be.

and what would these walkers lose? physically speaking, i haven't heard of any gringos getting killed by muggers and the only ones i have heard of getting at all seriously injured are the ones that resist. chances of anything that bad happening if you cooperate are remote in the extreme (you might as well worry about your chances of getting hit by a car crossing avenida 2 or 5 during the day as being murdered by a mugger after dark). much more possibly and at worst you might get a few gratuitous punches or scrapes from being shoved down but probably not even that. you'll probably be more nerved up by the experience than anything else, but that is nothing a stiff drink can't cure and what a good tale you'd have to tell your buddies about over those drinks. what about potential financial losses? the other key is to never be so stupid as to carrying more than you'd be prepared to lose. some of these guys who have been mugged report losing such things as gold chains, watches, or the money that they probably flashed around back at the bar. what did they think might happen? maybe the mugger just got lucky or maybe these guys did something beyond just being a gringo to advertise their value as target. i never wear jewelry (who am i trying to impress? the chicas so she'll think she can get more money from me?). at most i have a cheap watch and usually not even that. and i never go out at night with more cash than i need to pay for a few drinks. usually, by the time i go home i have less than $5 remaining. the chica money stays back at my hotel in the safe and even then only comes out at the end of any session.

the favorite rationale you guys use is that "the cab only costs a buck". i'm sorry, but that is faulty logic. if you're going to reduce your argument to the cost of just one trip to make it seem more minor, then you also have to reduce your analysis to just the odds for that same one trip. over time there may be a lot of gringos getting mugged, but the odds for just one trip are even more minor then the cabfare. just do the math. if you walk the short distance back to your hotel 100 times instead of taking the $1 cab and the chances of being mugged on any walk is only 1 in 100 (i think it is even less than that) and you only carry at most $20 at any one time, that means you'll be spending at least $100 to save at most $20. it doesn't seem like such a minor cost savings when you look at it that way.

once again, i am not saying walking sj after dark is perfectly safe and i am not recommending it if one does not at least take the precautions i've described. what i am saying is what risks there are are often greatly exaggerated based usually on hearsay and anecdotal thirdhand reports where all the contributing details are left out or not known. you hear frequently about those but you don't think how many more guys leave cr without anything like that happening to them. and the guys who have been mugged, how many trips had they taken before it happened to them? frankly, if you want to talk about relative risk, in terms of frequency if not also cost, then i think you should worry more about getting tricked or hustled by the chicas and various ticos that hang out by the hdr. probably far more has been lost due to rfm's to guys after they've gone home than has ever been lost to muggers while they were in cr.

[ArchieLeach]

Sir Real,

I'm glad you made it back safely. But PLEASE listen to the guys who tell you it's not safe to walk at night in SJ. It's REALLY not. The girls know better than any of us, they're in it all the time and you heard and saw the fear in her when you even suggested such a thing.

You can probably walk from SL to Castillo, but not as far as ZB or NF (of course, you wouldn't really be doing that at night anyway, but it's an example.

You can walk from SL to Cafe Mundo for example, but NOT to the DR.

You can walk from the DR to Avenida Central, but no farther (like Idem).

The only time we did any walking was when there were 6 of us, and even then it's dodgy (we had four guys over 250lbs). And I'm probably bigger than you are, so that's not the issue.

Taxis don't cost squat. Seriously. Please use them. Even when you get ripped off and pay 1-2K it's still more than worth it. Add up all the money you'd ever spend on Taxis at night and it's negligible compared to getting seriously hurt with the potential for permanent damage (even if unintended, and a fluke).

I've walked all over the world at all hours of the night, from the former Soviet States to back-alley Bangkok. I've slept on a ship in the Baltic with bikers who were on the run, and on park benches in New York. I've stumbled half conscious through Asia at 3AM and had no problems. But I wouldn't walk in SJ at night if you paid me.

[Superman06]

Well, I finally made my newbie trip to San Jose Feb. 29 to March 6. I had a both relaxing and busy time. I didn’t get in to my room until about 6pm at the Vista Linda. After a very long day of travel I crashed around 9pm.

I took the bus downtown the next morning with one of the regular visitors at the VL. We arrived at the Del Rey around 10:00am. Though it was a bit slow because of the early hour I felt as though I had arrived in the promise land. All that I had read before was true; women of all shapes, sizes, looks and personalities were working on getting in this middle-aged fat boy’s pants for the right price. For the price of a regular drink a lady will hang with you and allow full access to her merchandise while trying to close the deal. After a few drinks my friend from the VL had to leave but I hung out for another hour taking in the scenery and enjoying the slice of life that is the Blue Marlin. I didn’t field any of the offers being it was early in the day. But I do now regret turning one in particular down. Oh well, a newbie mistake.

I spent a few hours walking around town and having lunch at a soda. It was odd for me to see rice, pasta and mashed potatoes on the same plate. Starchy! I later returned to the Del Rey and met up with some CRT members. All seemed to be nice guys who were helpful to this newbie. Someone mentioned the talent was good that day at New Fantasy. I got a cab for NF but was taken to Zona Blue. My guess is the cabbie gets some money to take gringos there. I didn’t care, ZB was fine by me.

What a fun but somewhat pricey place to drink. The bartenders there really know how to deal with us crazy and drunk gringos in what is essentially a wild frat party for middle-aged guys. The talent varied in looks and a few of the better known ZB girls were there. I finally picked a pretty and petite Nica girl to pop my newbie cherry. Sorry but I’m bad with names. It was pretty good for my first session, though I doubt I would repeat with her, She had a few too many restrictions; no deep kissing, bbbj or dining at the Y.

The next day being Sunday I just relaxed, caught up on emails and did some grocery shopping. The perfect weather made relaxing all the better.

On Monday I met with a retired monger at the HDR to take a walking tour of low end Massage Parlors. I finally ended up at La Mansion. I took the hour session for a total cost of about $24. (See photo section). Though the girl was young and inexperienced it was a pretty good session. I had sessions at two other low end MP’s during my trip. One was a soapy massage (unique for San Jose) and a place somewhere on Calle 6. Both were exceptionally good sessions.

A note to all newbies: Though San Jose is a large city, with the exception of downtown there are no street names and very few street signs. Places are found by landmarks for directions and by the names of barrios. Now I understand why people here and on CRT debate the locations of bars and other places.

I know some are not keen on staying at the Vista Linda because it’s not in the middle of the action and some see the location as a bad neighborhood. It was easy enough to get the bus downtown a block away though I always took a cab back at night. A cab cost about $2 and the bus $0.34. I had no problem walking anywhere in the area in the daytime. Night was different but that’s the way it is all over San Jose. The Vista Linda is a very cost effective way to stay in San Jose and away from the noise of downtown at night. My room had a full kitchen and private bath. The place is very clean and well run by Carlos the owner, who is a heck of a nice guy. The regular and long time residents at Vista Linda gave me invaluable information on how to make the best of my all too short week in SJ. When I come back to visit SJ, Vista Linda will again be my residence.

Like Jerry Springer, here are some final thoughts: Costa Rica is a great place to visit and I really enjoyed just being there. Most Ticos and North Americans I met were very friendly and helpful. This was my first mongering trip to a Latin American locale and I hope to return soon. I never got out of the city to do any tours or visit other towns, just bad scheduling on my part but certainly will next time. I highly recommend TACA Airlines. They have newer planes, my flights and connections were always on time and the airfare (IAD to SJO $270.44 RT w/ all fees and taxes) was fantastic. Even though I RTFF several times over I made a few rookie mistakes (probably could have got laid more) but all-in-all a great trip!

PURA VIDA!

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[Purple Porkchop]

Had a crazy time in SJO. Hooked up at the Sportsmen’s Lodge with fellow mongers. Went strip club hoping one night and learned a new term, ‘HIGH SCHOOL’ hard on—the marvels of medical science. Everyone got the TICA club discount at most places. I will get a card for my next trip. AVOID KABAR. They would not honor card and tried to hit us for $20.00 cover each—nine of us

The Lodge is a great place and a good value. Cuba Libra 1,500 CR ($3.00) and full American breakfast was 2,500 CR. A good continental breakfast is include and sleep over TICAs can eat free.

Another monger had one tica from the Del Ray asked $200/hr and when asked if there was s discount for two hours, she laughed. He kept looking. The Chop was able to get an all nighter for $50. Had to tell her I’d be back in May to marry her. It will be my fault if she never trust another man for the rest of her life.

New Fantasy was not has good as others said. The one I was with said she was breast feeding and did not want me to touch her breast. Five minutes working on my back, the flip, two minutes, lube and then she started a HJ. Asked for more and she put on rain gear and started a lame BJ. It would seem you have to be very specific what you want including breast touching. To much BS for me.

On a different night had a good tome with a Columbian also from the Del Ray. Negotiated to 70. Got back to the room and tipped an extra 30 great service

[Sir Real]

Rzoll and dear concerned friends, I am writing these reports from the safety of my home in California. Although I did walk all over SJ in my week there, I never encountered any problems. I have RTFF and did not recall any of our fellow hobbyists having any trouble with crime in the streets, so that is why I thought I could walk all over the city with no fear. I guess it also helps that I am a pretty big guy. I don't know, maybe I was just lucky. At the end of today's report, there was an interesting incident relating to this very issue but one has to read on for that story.

My last full day in CR and friends back home told me I had to go to Arenal Volcano and the Tabacon hot springs resort before I leave C. R. I was hesitant to go because it seems more like a couples place; but, I figured this maybe the only time in my life I will be visiting CR so I had better go while I had the chance. Who knows, I may meet some single women. After a long bus ride, we never even got to see Arenal because clouds and rain obscured the view of the volcano. The resort was full of bickering couples (old and young) and the single women were uninteresting, to say the least. I have enjoyed hot springs in other countries (NZ, Japan) and this was just more of the same, but more catered for tourists. The only saving grace was the dinner buffet and some American guys I befriended.

Back in SJ after a real long ride in the fog on narrow country roads in a gigantic behemoth of a bus, I took my last half tab of generic V, turning my tongue blue because I grounded it up and let it dissolve under my tongue for quicker absorption. A short, safe walk through the Amon district led me to VIP's Taberna. The first babe to catch my eye sat by the door, displaying the most cavernous cleavage I have ever seen. She was talking to her friend so I just walked by and sat at the bar, waiting for an opening (literally). When I had my attention diverted, some other jerk on the prowl took her. Damn! After a while, I focused my attention on a young, skinny, and very pretty blond with nice jugs, but not as impressive as the door girl's. When I spoke with Melissa, I felt like I was in high school again. She was that young looking. Luckily, when Melissa escorted me to our room in the back, I got to see the chesty door girl walk around naked in the hallway after leaving the shower room. To my great relief, those ample bosoms that so impressed me turned out to be fake. Now, for the time being, I was glad I chose Melissa. Once inside our standard SJ grungy fun room, we got down to business and thanks to the English generic V pill I took earlier, for me this business would be good. The session started off on a sour note as she would not do BBBJ. Oh well, I could look past that since she was so attractive. Her technique though left much to be desired. The second strike was that she would not take off her top. WTF? She explained that she recently had a baby (which I could not believe because she was so skinny) and that she was still lactating. I told her I didn't care, so she whipped out her tits and promptly squirted mother's milk all over my stomach. At this, I started to think about Monica Belluci's lactating prostitute character in the movie "Shoot them' Up. " When we were finally in intercourse, I can confirm that she just had a baby. She was definitely loose alright. When I politely asked for culito, she vehemently denied. The third strike occurred when I asked her about her age. An innocent question, so I had thought. Melissa became all defensive and would not say. I knew she looked young but how young? I assumed she had to be over 18 to work there. Since she was not going to tell me, I had had enough. I was still polite and courteous but I was adamant that this session was over. I left VIP's and walked to the Del Rey hotel.

This was my last night in SJ after one week and I still had not taken a girl back to the Castillo. What kind of a mongerer am I? Against my better judgment, I went back to the world famous Blue Marlin. I have already struck out twice here but I figured any girl I pick up would be a better experience than with Melissa at VIP's. Fortunately, the first chica I spoke to was Raquel, a 30-something Tica. She was attractive and had a friendly smile, which was all that I needed. She did not seem as cold and money-hungry as the Colombianas I had encountered earlier in the week. Since it was getting late, I did not want to waste any time so I proposed we walk back to the Castillo and get to know each other a bit along the way. She promptly refused to do that, saying it was too dangerous to walk through the park. She actually did have a look of fear in her eyes. I relented and we both got in to a cab. Once back in my room, Raquel turned out to be an all-star, a real GFE. For the longest time, we were doing it so hard and heavy (thanks generic V! ), my neighbors objected by banging on the walls. I wanted to give a pearl necklace since her breasts were so nice. She obliged and I squirted one out so wildly that one big chunk actually made a loud noise when it landed on the floor several feet away. I accidentally got a little in her hair and she reacted like she was just doused with acidic blood from one of those "Aliens" movie creatures. Why do so many women have problems with our natural hair conditioner? It certainly helped Cameron Diaz in "There's Something about Mary. " Aside from this minor incident, Raquel was a fantastic way to spend my last night in Costa Rica.

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[Professor 1]

I suppose they could all work, at least when spoken in context, but I think I'll still stick with my first choice. These are uneducated hookers we're dealing with here, not MD's. And I'm hoping to have sex with them, not conduct a medical exam. What would you say next?

¿copulemos vaginalmente? = Shall we copulate vaginally?

I don't think so.

Pro, you are funny. Actually, I used the last phrase with a date in San Jose. The girl smiled and asked me, "Are you a professor or something?" So much for my textbook Spanish.

[ChiliMike]

Sir real,

That girl you hit back door (42 year old) I have did many times and she loves the back door. I have bar fined her a few times and she aways is sure to please. And is very sweet to me.

Even if I take a girl right in front of her she never gets pissed or acts mad. Those rooms are bad so the 20. 00 to bar fine a girl you know will be a good time is money well spent.

[A John]

That's no joke last year 3 trannies took a friend of mine to the ground, punching and kicking him in the park next to DR. mind you he's a much smaller with a docile type of personality. So I understand why they took advantage of him we were all well-informed.

I guess he didn't believe it. He does now $875. It cost and the rest of the trip with a black eye and bruises.

AJ

real threat but you still don't want to let them get too close because they've been known to swarm a guy, feeling him up under the pretense of trying to hustle a date while the other TV's pick the poor sucker's pockets.