San Jose General Reports

[Prolijo]

while i think kid may have overstated his case (well except for that part about not fucking the calle 6 putas with your dick, which was my line), the general thrust of his case was not that far off. cr pricing is increasingly fucked up. and, while it might seem like a real bargain compared to what we're used to in the us, if you've been to other foreign mongering destinations you'd realize how much it is not really any great bargain compared to most of them.

i wouldn't disagree with my pal chilimike but i think david and my other pal tgom db mentioned some important caveats. you can certainly find daytime hdr chicas for $50 but, as db alluded, the pickings are a lot slimmer during the day and most of the really hot ones only come in at night when they can make the "big money". besides, during the day one can just as easily go to an mp like zb or nf or even a tico place like oasis and get them cheaper still. and as david pointed out by 3am nearly all the chicas are worn out and in a real rush to make their money and go home. i'd add to that observation that in large part the really hot ones have already made their money for the night and have gone home (or for a tln), so the quality and selection similarly dips. in other words, not only is there less demand during those non-peak hours but there is also much less supply and generally lower quality. so, off-hour bargains are to be had, lower daytime or late-night prices is not necessarily an indication of better values as much as a case of you get what you pay for.

obviously we all have our different standards and concepts of beauty. cm can say 25% of the calle 6 women are 7+, but i've been there and in my book that would be a real stretch. maybe that might be the case at some of the nearby tico mp's on calle 4 such as 747 and cha-chas, but not at the pensiones. and i wouldn't have any doubt that some of them could walk into the hdr/bm unnoticed because there are many fat ugly pigs (mixed in amongst the lovelies) at the bm that really have no business being there. otoh, for kid to say "no good-looking girl (7+) at del rey will take less than $70" i'd have to say that is an exaggeration in the other direction. it's true that nowadays many of the 9-10's don't go much below $80 if they even slip off that $100 mark, simply because they don't have to and that is fine with me because i think the 7-8's usually provide better service any way. but you can often get 7-8's for under $70 if you know at all how to negotiate (or else catch them during non-peak hours). $60 is not unheard of and $50 is even possible. however i'll agree with kid this much, most of those $50 gals are at best simply average looking and you really have to wonder about the chicas that some guys claim to get at the hdr for under $50. i'm sure some guys negotiate better than me, but i challenge anyone who claims $40 for a hdr chica who they haven't plied with mucho dinero for food and drinks or hefty propinas on past sessions who isn't plain at best. we've all seen some pretty scary pics that some guys incomprehensibly post proudly and i wonder if those ones are even worth that $40-50. when you get down to it, there's no escaping the basic economic rule that you get what you pay for.

lot of other good tips in those posts though about negotiation techniques about being discrete when lowballing a chica so she can agree without losing face amongst her peers and leaving room to come up from your initial offer so the chica can feel she is winning something. also liked the ones about trying to reason with them about sessioning during their non-prime-time to get a lower rate. unfortunately, i think the part about educating them why it is better to take a 1-3 "low" offers, go and get back than to wind up sitting around the bar for several hours holding out for the "big money" which never comes is much easier said than done for 90% of these chicas. some get it. most don't. and business sense is not their greatest skill.

another approach that i sometimes like to take is to respond to their cien offer with something ridiculuously low like $30 or 15k. btw, dollars are fine for the opeing bid but not for when you get down to amounts you think they'll accept (think about it, $30 is really a dollar more than 15k). invariably, they'll just shake their heads and start to walk away and before they do i'll say "i know my offer is estupido but they don't really believe i would pay cien either. why don't you tell me what you really will go for?" they'll either say cien to which i'll say goodbye, see ya later (why waste my time trying to work down a chica who is going to be so unreasonable?) or they'll make another slightly lower counter offer. in that case, i've gotten them to lower their price first and can come back with a more reasonable offer on my side which they might accept (usually 20-25k but maybe as high as 30k depending on how hot they are). if they don't take that then i'd use db's approach of throwing in another 5k to sweeten the pot.

and as long as we are discussing negotiating techniques lets not forget the non-cash issues: making sure they understand it is hora completo and/or mucho veces and not just until you come one shot and out the door, chuparando sin condon, mucho besos con lengua or whatever else floats your boat (such as fotos sin ropa). and if they won't come off the $100 making it for 2-3 hours or more.

finally, lets not forget the best tool for chica "business education" which is going back by that chica that had blown off your $60 offer and you've seen sitting around the bar for the last 2 hours and pointing out to her that she could have been with you and back by now. you could use that as a chance to try and get her to finally come down. but i like to do that as much to rub it in her face if you say it to her before you leave with another chica (of course that sort of works against your chica getting out of there without giving away how cheaply you got her for, but you don't have to actually tell the first chica how much you paid)

[Dodger Bulldog]

...if you want to only spend 50. 00 on a girl from delrey its really easy. pick your times. tell the girl. that is all you spend. don't let her friends hear you tell her "i only pay 50. 00" if you are trying to get girls at 8. 00 pm at the delrey you will have problems. but if you shop like i do. after 12:00 and even some times 3:00 am 50.00 will get more than 60% of the girls at that hour. maybe even higher.

that is pretty accurate advice.

not always easy, but it can certainly be done.

timing can be everything. the law of supply and demand is in effect, and there is less demand during
the day and after 3 am.

some of the chicas understand this and realize that their time is a perishable commodity. an hour on
a bar stool doesn't pay her bills.

but not many have an innate mind for business.

however, others can be educated if you take the time to work the situation right. many will never learn.

a lot of the hottest ones only work the peak hours, which can create a problem with pricing
issues. in this case it is best to learn what time they usually come to work and ask them to start
a little earlier by stopping by your room on the way to the del rey.

explain how they won't miss any opportunities during the evening, and will be in a good mood when
they arrive knowing that they already have $50 in their pocket before they even start for the night.

some will get it.

chilimike is correct in that it is important that none of the other chicas overhear your negotiations. the chica
you want is much more likely to turn your offer down if she believes that she will lose face with her peers.

always move her off to an isolated spot before the negotiations begin.

also allow her to save face by coming up 5000 colones, one time, over your initial offer, because you
"like her so much" (never negotiate in dollars). she needs to feel like somehow she won.


t-minus three weeks and counting before i return to san jose.

we'll have to see if i can liven up the photo thread a little bit!

db

[Davidb3069]

Kid. I just returned from a 8 day stay in san jose. And I never spent more than 50. 00 on any girl! Also. Have you ever been to 6th street? My guess is no, I was there on wed and found at least 5 girls that could leave 6th street and walk in to the delrey and no one would know it! I only share facts. I don't brag, it you want to only spend 50. 00 on a girl from delrey its really easy. Pick your times. Tell the girl. That is all you spend. Don't let her friends hear you tell her "I only pay 50. 00" if you are trying to get girls at 8. 00 pm at the delrey you will have problems. But if you shop like I do. After 12:00 and even some times 3:00 am 50.00 will get more than 60% of the girls at that hour. Maybe even higher. Stay at the morazan also there is a new mp on 6th street. The rooms are nicer and cleaner than zona blue and on both days I went there. Out of the 8 girls. 2 were at least 7's.

Last time I was there, $50 would get you nearly 100% of the girls during the day. Night is always more expensive. Why wait til 3am when the girls are tired, desperate and more likely to give you the "hurry up" routine once they get back to the room? Unless that's simply when you like to go out. I've never been a late night guy. Unless it's a vacation then I do more late-nighters. When I live in the countries, I keep pretty normal hours.

David

[ChiliMike]

Kid. I just returned from a 8 day stay in san jose. And I never spent more than 50. 00 on any girl! Also. Have you ever been to 6th street? My guess is no, I was there on wed and found at least 5 girls that could leave 6th street and walk in to the delrey and no one would know it! I only share facts. I don't brag, it you want to only spend 50. 00 on a girl from delrey its really easy. Pick your times. Tell the girl. That is all you spend. Don't let her friends hear you tell her "I only pay 50. 00" if you are trying to get girls at 8. 00 pm at the delrey you will have problems. But if you shop like I do. After 12:00 and even some times 3:00 am 50.00 will get more than 60% of the girls at that hour. Maybe even higher. Stay at the morazan also there is a new mp on 6th street. The rooms are nicer and cleaner than zona blue and on both days I went there. Out of the 8 girls. 2 were at least 7's.

[Kid Brooklyn]

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I usually wouldnt consider someplace like costa rica but after looking over the lists and posts for calle 6 action etc. It got my attention.

How much are those outdoor activities from san jose ? I like to do things like that but usually they cost $70 and up and my daily expenses skyrocket.

I enjoyed my time in sosua this summer although I agree its going to the dogs.


I guess I need to put forth the effort into an el salvador expedition.


Thanks again for your response.

Artisttyp

Art,
I don't think CR would be for you. It is not a "budget" type of place. You mentioned calle 6. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MOST OF THE GIRLS WORKING CALLE 6? I wouldn't fuck them with your dick. And no good-looking girl (7+) at Del Rey will take less than $70. Those that go for $60... well you can keep those. There are guys who brag about how they NEVER pay more than $60 and they just visit the Tico MP's. Yet most of them would never post a pic of the hotties they tap at these places. And those that do, well, I think most of us will agree they are worth every penny of that $60. LOL

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I just want to give you a heads-up as to what the situation is REALLY like there, so you don't waste your time and money. If you have 25 days, I agree with Prolijo, you can go to Thailand or Rio where the flights are longer and more expensive, but the average cost will be lower.

If you don't want to be around gringos, try Guatemala. I doubt there are many there. CR has tons in every establishment, at least the good establishments.

[Kid Brooklyn]

Alexa ...... Cell phone number: 346-01-85 ...... see web page below from my other report.

Pura Vida Steve

Steve,
You may suggest that your "friend" lower her expectations a little. She is cute but nowhere near some of the hot chicas found at DR/BM at those prices. I suggest $75/hr. By mentioning protection, I assume it's gonna be cbj, not bbbj. That's another negative for her. Don't worry, I'm sure she'll find some unknowing newbies (reading the ad from the US) who will gladly cough up that kind of dough for a slightly above-average chica. Good luck.

Why did you write it in Spanish also? Who was that for? Ticos? LOL... No Tico would ever pay anywhere near those prices.

[Davidb3069]

Sorry, I should have provided more info. I don't read spanish. This murder was posted on CRT. On CRT, there was a big debate about security in SJ. During my visits there I haven't been mugged with a knife or gun. However, the advice I've been given is not to fight back with any mugger in SJ, because they will kill you.

I believe someone else said it...but gringos/tourists usually aren't the target of muggers in the street. Usually the hookers are more likely to get hit than you -- they are weaker and are likely to have cash late at night if returning from a job. Tourists bring down too much heat. And most are smart enough not to carry much cash. The only reason a tourist might be more attractive is because they probably won't be around long enough to cause any legel problems if someone is caught.

David

[Davidb3069]

Did they have even have the back entrance 5 years ago? I'm like you. I remember going out that front way many times when I first went to the KL and it always gave me a little case of the creeps. I'd either hover just inside the gate (ready to retreat back inside) until I saw a cab pass by that I could flag down or I'd make a very quick turn to the left and hightail it over towards the Morazon Hotel. And that was back in the day before things were even as bad as they are now. Of course, in some ways things have gotten a little bit better. They didn't have police patrols in the park in the evening back then and there seemed to be even more questionable characters hanging out on that corner of the park that 2964 was talking about between the Irish Rose/Morazon Cafe (or whatever it was back then) and the KL (in front of the then vacant building that is now the Del Mar Restaurant). But in most other ways I think things have gotten much worse. That front entrance is definitely still there and open but, unless they really do start shooting people in the parking lot, it makes a helluva lot more sense to play it safe and use the back entrance on the HDR side.

Yes. It was around 2002 they put it in. That's roughly when it reopened again if I recall correctly. That site has always been difficult for Del Rey to do much with because it's protected as a historic landmark. You had to enter on the far side of the parking lot opposite Del Rey's restaurant. They were still constructing it back then but you could go in that way. They had a security guy at that door all the time. The inside at that entrance was a mess too. I'm sure it's all spiffy by now.

I rarely went in/out the front way. I can only think of maybe 2-3 times. I was living there at the time for more than a year. I jumped around from staying at Del Rey/Morazon/3 different apartments in SJ, etc. If I wasn't lucky, I ended up with a room opposite KL. Boy was that noisy at night.

David

[Prolijo]

Did they have even have the back entrance 5 years ago? I'm like you. I remember going out that front way many times when I first went to the KL and it always gave me a little case of the creeps. I'd either hover just inside the gate (ready to retreat back inside) until I saw a cab pass by that I could flag down or I'd make a very quick turn to the left and hightail it over towards the Morazon Hotel. And that was back in the day before things were even as bad as they are now. Of course, in some ways things have gotten a little bit better. They didn't have police patrols in the park in the evening back then and there seemed to be even more questionable characters hanging out on that corner of the park that 2964 was talking about between the Irish Rose/Morazon Cafe (or whatever it was back then) and the KL (in front of the then vacant building that is now the Del Mar Restaurant). But in most other ways I think things have gotten much worse. That front entrance is definitely still there and open but, unless they really do start shooting people in the parking lot, it makes a helluva lot more sense to play it safe and use the back entrance on the HDR side.

[DR Monger II]

Sorry, I should have provided more info. I don't read spanish. This murder was posted on CRT. On CRT, there was a big debate about security in SJ. During my visits there I haven't been mugged with a knife or gun. However, the advice I've been given is not to fight back with any mugger in SJ, because they will kill you.

[Davidb3069]

As for my own initial "speculation", it seems it wasn't so far off the mark. The victim apparently was not a KL working girl, as was suggested later, but rather a regular street denizen. First of all, judging by the photo, she didn't have on typical working girl attire. Also, she went by the nickname "Macha", which is the feminine version of macho, so I'm guessing she was probably one tough and street-hardened chica. And finally, the article stated "se apostaba todas las noches en las afueras del Bar Key Largo en las inmediaciones del Parque Morazán". She spent every night gambling outside the Key Largo in Morazon Park. If that is not being involved in "some sort of business that she shouldn't have been", I don't know what is. One shouldn't hang out outside in that area at that time of night and one certainly shouldn't mix with the people that do.

As said, if you go anywhere near Morazon park at night (other than Key Largo) you're asking for trouble. The front entrance (by the park) always made me uneasy. I liked to enter through the back way (the parking lot of Del Rey) when I was there. Not sure if they still have that entrance today though as I haven't been there in 5+ years.

David

[Prolijo]

DRMonger initial report though spotty on details apparently was essentially correct. This latest report certainly adds more details. Though the translation is very hard to follow at points, apparently it didn't happen at all in the KL parking lot nor exactly in the park itself, but rather on the sidewalk out in front of the KL on the Park Morazon side. Evidently, 2964, who so smugly told us guys to "get it stright", should have gotten it more strAight himself before he cast any stones, since he was way off with his own facts.

BTW, it wasn't on a line going towards the Irish Rose or 100-150 feet from the HDR parking lot. It was practically right on the corner directly in front of the original front entrance to the KL diametrically opposite to where 2964 said it happened. And that makes a world of difference being on totally opposite sides of the KL and DelMar, one being towards a darkened park and exit that we'd rarely if ever use and the other being a relatively well lit highly public, highly trafficked path that most of us take to get between there and the BM.

As for my own initial "speculation", it seems it wasn't so far off the mark. The victim apparently was not a KL working girl, as was suggested later, but rather a regular street denizen. First of all, judging by the photo, she didn't have on typical working girl attire. Also, she went by the nickname "Macha", which is the feminine version of macho, so I'm guessing she was probably one tough and street-hardened chica. And finally, the article stated "se apostaba todas las noches en las afueras del Bar Key Largo en las inmediaciones del Parque Morazán". She spent every night gambling outside the Key Largo in Morazon Park. If that is not being involved in "some sort of business that she shouldn't have been", I don't know what is. One shouldn't hang out outside in that area at that time of night and one certainly shouldn't mix with the people that do. Apparently her novio Luis "Red" Garcia 19 was assasinated a month and a half ago for having killed a Colombian in fight last April. The Colombians, being as thorough as they are, were just doing some mop-up work.

My later speculation was based in part on the erroneous information provided by 2964, but most of it appears equally valid.

Also 6 shots "mostly connecting" seems like a pretty extreme and purposeful reaction to someone just resisting a simple robbery. Of course I could be wrong, but this sounds like something a LOT more personal and intentional than just some random robbery. A lot of these chicas have a lot of drama going on their lives. Some are involved in drugs. Some have jealous and/or violent tico novios or esposos. And a few can be pretty violent themselves. This is not the type of violence that is probably going to be directed at any of us.

Whether the victim turned out to be a KL working chica or a street character, the sort of violence that occurred here is NOT the type of violence that applies to most of us. Our only real concern if something like this goes down is if we're anywhere near it and if there are any stray bullets.

And throughout that has been exactly my point. This whole thing arose out of our discussion of how safe is it for us to walk around that area at that hour. Our real concern should be the random muggings not targeted violence related to events that we don't typically involve ourselves in. And so this event while interesting and alarming doesn't really have any direct relevance to most of us. It doesn't mean that we risk being similarly targeted and killed. What it does say is what sort of people are out in that area at that time of night and why we should give them as wide a berth as possible.

[Member #2964]

Nortolx. Thanks for the correction.After speaking with my amigo his information was off by a 100 - 150 feet.

If you draw aline between the front door of the new Irish Res. and the unused front door of the KL Res. you have the app. location.

Shit happens. here in the US or in CR.

[Stevewxly]

Alexa ...... Cell phone number: 346-01-85 ...... see web page below from my other report.

Pura Vida Steve

[Nortelx]

End the speculation, do some research.

She was hit by four shots on the street NEXT to Morazan Park out front of Key Largo. This was a vendetta from a prior altercation.

La nacion
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Received 4 shots

Murderer asked by women and shot him

Otto M. Vargas | Ovargas@nacion.com

A woman of 25 years died yesterday morning in the park Morazan (San Jose) to receive four shots of a subject who came to look at a well-known nightclub in the area.

Although Jovana Maria Martinez Maldonado denied his identity, the murderer shot him at point-blank range.

The victim, who was born in Nicaragua and mother of a 2-year-old child, had wounds to his abdomen, back and chin. The murdered in a sidewalk.

The crime occurred last 1 AM. The murderer, described as a young person of small stature and who wore a hat and dark colored shirt, came to the site in a black car, according to witnesses told police.

The authorities estimate that the murderer and the person who was driving Martinez waited to leave the local shoot.

The sought. According to the Criminal Investigation Authority (OIJ), the homicidal asked specifically by "Jovana."

Almost immediately fired. Martinez died at the site. The subject was not the belongings of the young. Officers from the Metropolitan Police conducted a search but did not give the attacker.

Jovana Martinez lived in a time Vazquez de Coronado, but, apparently, a few months ago he moved to Los tables Goicoechea.

His son was born in Costa Rica on August 8, 2005.

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