San Jose General Reports

[Prolijo]

Real nice, 2964! You've managed to turn a mean (and not that funny) ethnic joke (insulting to jews as well as IRS agents) into a backhanded way of calling me a dick? If you're going to flame why don't you just come right out and say it. You'll note that I've refrained thus far from such name calling, sticking instead to fairly and consistently pointing out the many factual and logical errors in your statements. I'm sorry if the truth bothers you.

BTW, if you were a rabbi you'd know that it is priests who deal with wafers and moyels that deal with foreskins. Also, they save up all the foreskins and at the end of the year send it to a leathercraftsman not the IRS. All they get back is a wallet, which may not seem like much, but if you rub it a little it turns into a suitcase.

I have to agree with 2666. He mades valid statements and adds helpful insight into suck-cessful CR mongering.

Why am I not surprised? You guys are always agreeing with each other and slapping each other on the back when no one else will. You even practically share the same handle. What are you clones of each other or something else...?

[Member #2964]

I have to agree with 2666. He mades valid statements and adds helpful insight into suck-cessful CR mongering.

Before prolijo or kid brooklyn ever mention other peoples posting or not posting pics. POST SOME OF YOUR OWN. either here or CRT

You state that I have posted of taking a ZB girl to the beach. Show me or the post the quote. I never mentioned ZB in my post: only SL and DR.

You mentioned a ZB girl (empolyee getting fired). I am familiar with the story and was there in March; Vanessa still works there.

I think Eddie has the coldess beer to be had in SJ. But his prices are too high: even with the CRT discount.

As I have stated I spend 2 months +/- a year in CR, since 2003.

I have never stayed at the DR, Holiday Inn, Balmoral, Presidente, ZB, SL or Morrzon.

I HAVE NEVER PAID $100.00. NUNCA. NADA. NADA. NADA.

I learn more spanish every day. I bring regalo's for the special woman who have become amigas.

I sincerely have fun and treat the girls respectfuly and with consideration.

I have been invited to their homes and have met with their families.

In closing I am reminded of a joke: prolijo and kid brooklyn you can call me the Rabbi and you are the I.R.S.

"At the end of the tax year,the IRS Tax Office sent an inspector to
audit the books of a Synagogue. While he was checking the books the
turned
to
the Rabbi and said, "I notice you buy a lot of candles.
>
>"What do you do with the candle drippings?"
>
>"Good question," noted the Rabbi. "We save them up and send them back
to the candle makers, and every now and then they send us a free box of
candles."
>
>"Oh," replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual
question had a practical answer. But on he went, in his obnoxious way:
"What
about all these bread -wafer purchases? What do you do with the crumbs?"

>
>"Ah, yes," replied the Rabbi, realizing that the inspector was trying
to trap him with an unanswerable question. "We collect them and send
them
back to the manufacturers, and every now and then they send us a free
box of mahtzos."
>
>"I see," replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster
the know-it-all Rabbi. "Well, Rabbi," he went on, "what do you do with
all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?"
>
>"Here, too, we do not waste," answered the Rabbi. "What we do is save

all the foreskins and send them to the IRS office, and about once a year

they send us a complete dick."

[Member #2666]

One thing that seems to be overlooked in this string and many other discussions about pricing and chica experiences, is the amount of time one spends in midtown San Jose and the gulch.

If you're visiting for a long weekend or maybe a week or 10 days once or twice a year then you are going to have a completely different mindset on hooking up verses a guy who spends a month or two at a time a couple times a year.

The infrequent traveler hasn't the time to experiment very much and his experiences are mostly limited ....thus making my experiences and 2964 and others, RCB (possibly) ventures seem a bit unrealistic

Believe me, two straight weeks at ZB, SL, DR and Kl can get a little old.


Venturing out for a change, and taking the risk of no pussy for a day or two can be very threatening to the occasional visitor.

So maybe not to fast on critisizing of what you really don't know and keep an open mind that maybe someday it could be you if your willing to do the work and put in the time.

The change pace is how one goes about building relationships and getting the extraordinary chicas off the beaten track......well, off the gringo beaten track....again, some of the places have been around over 20 years (VIPs, and IDEM to name 2)...they must be doing something right...even if it's mostly for the pleasure of the ticos and nicos and a few venturesome gringos

[Kid Brooklyn]

I walk over there and I am approached by a guy that wants to "help" me. Ordinarily I would wave this guy off, but he was pretty mellow, not pushy. I struck up a conversation with him and he told me he was from Califorinia (1/2 Costa Rican) and he was avoiding a jail sentence for vehicular homocide. He killed somebody driving drunk. Well, he and I talked for about 1/2 hour. He was a wealth of information about places to visit, etc. He gave me the "walking tour" of massage parlors etc. He didn't ask for it, but I gave him 5000 Colones tip. He really spent a lot of time with me.

California boy really cashed in. Vehicular homocide? That's a new one, he usually has a more believeable story. A few times he lost his passport and was given a counterfeit 10K bill and wanted $2. 90 for a meal.

But this generous man gave him $10. He just made his weekly salary on one newbie. Shows that reading the boards prevents you from being taken like that or for the $47 chica fee.

[Kid Brooklyn]

Sorry to dismiss your opinion but factually you're wrong...Many girls work outside the MP,s night clubs etc for much less.

I never said that every single one wants $70/hr, but most do. But you must be talking about those "hot" babes from Tico MP's that make $6/hr. Yes, those will gladly come to your room for $35 for a couple of hours. But good luck getting an Idem or ZB girl to your room for under $50-60/hr.

[Prolijo]

Sorry to hit you heavy but you are wrong on many points! For example: maybe 2964 is a 9 or 10, speaks Spanish, dances, well mannered and the girls really like him versus a fat, hairy assed, sweaty old gringo slob smoking a stinking cigar, drinking rum and cokes, beer, vodka, not speaking any Spanish and pissing and farting throughout the day.

Maybe, I frankly doubt it, but then he shouldn't post what he has as if his results are the same everyone else can expect. I've seen this argument often and it is true to SOME degree, but the far more common reality is that few of us are actually at either of the two ridiculous extremes you just described

Second, when mentioning SL, KL, ZB, IDEM etc girls maybe he's referencing girls who once worked there and now don't...as you may know, the turnover is huge and should they choose to stay in the escort field hotel, apartment and beach excursions make a nice cash flow.

Actually, he didn't specify past ZB chicas and made it sound like he was talking about ones that are still working there such as Pamela. But even if he was talking about gals that have been canned or quit. On a straight cash basis, they're not going to work for less than they could have made just sticking around ZB or moving over to the HDR/BM, unless they are getting something else out of it (dinners, shopping, all-expense paid trips to the beach, or just the services of a handsome charming stud)

Also, keep in mind that your 9-10 may be someone elses 3-4. Me for example...if she looks anything like a milky white barbie blond American type...I'm not interested..Pamela Anderson, Jenna Jameson included....save the comments here ...just how it is.

Another overworked argument. That might work in the other direction to explain why some guys over pay for what we see as a 3-4, but it doesn't explain why a chica that even some guys might see as 9-10 would go for only 7K colones when there are those "some guys" out there who would probably pay much more. No, if she is going for only 7K, then she probably is futt bugly or there is some other special connection between her and the gringo involved.

Lastly, the prices quoted per hour at any of the places in and around San Jose doesn't mean the girl got paid that rate for eight hours...Talk to the girls...many sit there all day, many days for nothing...mostly in the ZB SL IDEM and New Fantasy where , granted there is plenty of business but not necessarily for everyone.

Again, the fact that girls don't get the full fee has already been pointed out but at ZB at least they still get more than 7K. Many get that just as their tip (on top of their share of the house fee) without ever having to go out with anyone. The fact that they sit around might be a good one, but if they sit around all day at a place as busy as ZB then there must be something pretty wrong with them that not even one guy walks in all day that decides to pick them. Also, to the extent they're not busy for the full 8 hours/day, having to sit around joking with your girlfriends is hardly the same level of work as having some old gringo guy humping away at you (you think these girls get enough sex to satisfy them and would want to give it a rest). Even with a "sure deal" outside the club with no sitting around, these girls know what gringos pay at the club and they know what some chicas get at places like the BM. They may go less than the usual MP session fee, but there's no way that they're going to go for much less let alone only 7K for 2-3 hours. About the only way that would happen is if its with a guy that they're been with many times at the MP and know and trust and perhaps really like, or one who has been tipping her heavily over the past few sessions. But then what does his average cost per hour really come out to?

As far as photo's go ...check my collection and you'll see a selection of girls who happily got well under $50 per session for numerous hours and were plenty satisfied

Photos, prove nothing. I'm not saying you've reposted anyone else's photos. Though that has definitely happened before with others. But even with a real and genuine photo, it proves nothing about how much was paid (or claimed to be paid) for that chica. We can only take the poster's word on that, And claims of only 7K for 2-3hours when so few other mongers back that up does not lend a lot of credence to it.

Lastly, for me I don't want to take a girl to the beach. I enjoy the few hours a day with the ladies but enjoy my own time alone at the beach, where I can talk to the guys, drink in the bars, smoke my cigars and fart as much as I want without embarrassing myself in the company of a chica

I can readily understand that, but then if that is the case one shouldn't be factoring in that "guy time" in coming up with absurd average hourly rate claims.

[Prolijo]

So, first day I spent $147 for basically nothing I couldn't have got in the USA for that amount.

Personally the best money I spent so far is for the drunk's advice and walking tour of the sex district.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

Funny stuff. Things can only get better. (Or can they?)

It would be funny if he were joking about the whole thing, but I'm afraid he was serious. Reports of Distinction? Maybe, but only if it was clearly labeled as a what not to do lesson. This is not the typical result of any newbie who has done his homework. Let's start from the top:

1) $27/day for a car is actually a pretty good rate except that a car is completely unnecessary while one is staying in the city of SJ as cabs and buses are cheaps and most forays outside of town by a newbie is done as part of a tour which provides the transportation. Subsequent travel further afield from the Central Valley region might be advisable with a rental car but it is not needed while in town mongering which is where (unfortunately) most mongers spend most of their time.

2) $34/day for insurance? What makes anyone think it would any better a deal in CR with its road conditions, etc. than it would be for rental insurance back in the US. Check your current personal auto insurance or your autmatic credit card coverage. One or the other normally covers whatever you reasonably have to be concerned with.

3) The "gringo: from California has also been written about many times. He's worse than the tico bums which is really saying something. The fact that rollover spent 5K and hours walking around with this guy says a lot about his judgement. There are any number of vets who you can meet at the BM, SL or ZB who will take you around with them when they're ready to hit the streets, that you won't have to worry about scamming you and will do it for free.

4) The HDR/BM reaction. Well I hate to say but I can understand this reaction. A lot of guys seem to describe the place as wall to wall 10's or something. Frankly I don't see it at all, though beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. There are definitely a LOTof woofers in there trying to cash in on the foolish gringo with a lot of cash money train (and one of them found it with roller). But there are also usually plenty of 8's and 9's if you scope out the place properly (and/or wait for them to arrive). Unfortunately, or as might be expected, the cream of the crop gets snapped up quick.

5) How many kids the girls have is not the best or even the only test. As Roller discovered, most of these chicas already have nino's. And who care's (unless you're looking for an overnight traveling companion or something). If you're real goal is screen for prune bellies and saggy tits, there are more effective ways to do it. LOOK THEM OVER BETTER. I try to go only for the ones with bare midriffs. Look over what they're wearing. It is fairly easy to spot the ones who have their tits pushed up to make artificial cleavage (shit, I can do that too) or have fake tits (I haven't done that). Less easy to spot are the ones whose ass keeps spilling out when they finally take off their jeans back at the room. But I usually go for spinners so don't often encounter that problem.

6)"So, since the first hottie had only one, I cave-in! I go full price $100 (54, 000 colones)." Damn, if this is the result on the guys that do RTFF and most of the guys that go to CR don't, then we are really in trouble. You should never ever have to pay that much and certainly not for the minimal criteria that she only has 1 kid.

7) "She follows me back to the hotel complaining that I didn't get a taxi. I argued 'Why?'." Why? Perhaps because of high heels and cracked sidewalks or perhaps because of fears of muggers in the Morazon Park which is well known for that. But if Roller really thought the complaints were so ridiculous or at least overblown, maybe that should have been his final clue that this chica was going to be trouble and he should have ditched her right there and walked her back to the bar without sessioning.

8) The "fees" at the Holiday Inn? I never heard of $47. At worst you can sign them in as a registered guest along with you instead of as a visitor and just pay the double rate instead of a single (usually about $10-20/night). The only drawback there is that you can only do that with 1 chica per day. If you only want to sign them in as a guest, you and the chica do have to sign a sign-in sheet. That is standard practice everywhere, even at places where they don't charge a fee. And the sign-in is for your protection as much as anything. Some guys try to get around the high chica fee at the HI and similar places by trying to sneak their chica in around the security. But if something later happens in your room, you actually have much less recourse if you were violating the hotel's policy. The HI is widely reported to charge $20 to bring chicas back. Again all this has been reported on this board. Any place with a rate that high (let alone "$47") can not IMHO be fairly described as chica friendly. Whatever the rate, Rollover should have known about that and been prepared for it or better yet chosen a different hotel.

[Member #2666]

I'd like to dismiss a myth that many guys have about MP girls who moonlight outside of the MP. They will not come to your room for the same amount that they make at the MP.

If you pay $40 at the MP for an hour, she'll ask for more to come to your room. Even though they only make $20/hr at the MP, I had an Idem girl ask for $70 to come to my room. I know that they hear about then $100/hr girls get at HDR. They probably figure, why shouldn't they get a piece of the pie.

Sorry to dismiss your opinion but factually you're wrong...Many girls work outside the MP,s night clubs etc for much less.

I don't doubt you have had problems making this happen, but you certainly don't represent the whole situation

[Member #2666]

2964,

I have asked you in the past for photos of your $35/day travel companions, but looks like you haven't posted any.

I wonder why.

Look, I'm sure you can find a working girl that would go away with you for $35/day, but it's not a 8, 7, or even a 6. You are talking about a 3 or 4, somebody most of us wouldn't even begin to think about hooking up with. When you say they are street-able, what does that mean? We know what types hang on the corners, don't we?

But I still can't figure out why you are embellishing (lying) so much. Does it make you feel good to think that newbies think of you as some kind of player or something? Those of us who have been to SJ more than a few times know that you are not being honest.

7k for 2-3 hours? Yeah, maybe in 1985.

Seriously, stop misleading newbies with your stories. This is a board for factual, helpful information. I know most of the SL girls, and none would go anywhere for $35/day + a bus ticket. Maybe the SL cleaning lady, that's about it. Cynthia, Melissa, and Co. Now ask for $100/hr, so that's the minimum daily rate they would travel for.

Either fess up or post pics of your hotties.

Sorry to hit you heavy but you are wrong on many points! For example: maybe 2964 is a 9 or 10, speaks Spanish, dances, well mannered and the girls really like him versus a fat, hairy assed, sweaty old gringo slob smoking a stinking cigar, drinking rum and cokes, beer, vodka, not speaking any Spanish and pissing and farting throughout the day.

Boy, sign me up for a weekend with this dude fast!

Second, when mentioning SL, KL, ZB, IDEM etc girls maybe he's referencing girls who once worked there and now don't...as you may know, the turnover is huge and should they choose to stay in the escort field hotel, apartment and beach excursions make a nice cash flow.

Also, keep in mind that your 9-10 may be someone elses 3-4. Me for example...if she looks anything like a milky white barbie blond American type...I'm not interested..Pamela Anderson, Jenna Jameson included....save the comments here ...just how it is..


Lastly, the prices quoted per hour at any of the places in and around San Jose doesn't mean the girl got paid that rate for eight hours...Talk to the girls...many sit there all day, many days for nothing...mostly in the ZB SL IDEM and New Fantasy where , granted there is plenty of business but not necessarily for everyone.

As far as photo's go ...check my collection and you'll see a selection of girls who happily got well under $50 per session for numerous hours and were plenty satisfied

Lastly, for me I don't want to take a girl to the beach. I enjoy the few hours a day with the ladies but enjoy my own time alone at the beach, where I can talk to the guys, drink in the bars, smoke my cigars and fart as much as I want without embarrassing myself in the company of a chica

[Piper1]

...So, first day I spent $147 for basically nothing I couldn't have got in the USA for that amount.

Personally the best money I spent so far is for the drunk's advice and walking tour of the sex district.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

Funny stuff. Things can only get better. (Or can they?)

[Kid Brooklyn]

I'd like to dismiss a myth that many guys have about MP girls who moonlight outside of the MP. They will not come to your room for the same amount that they make at the MP.

If you pay $40 at the MP for an hour, she'll ask for more to come to your room. Even though they only make $20/hr at the MP, I had an Idem girl ask for $70 to come to my room. I know that they hear about then $100/hr girls get at HDR. They probably figure, why shouldn't they get a piece of the pie.

[Rolleratnight]

Ok, this should be a sign of how my trip was going to start. I got a notice in the mail that said the electricity was going to be off at my house from 2:00am-4:00am. I had to get up at 3:30am to get to my flight so got ready in the dark. Oh, my alarm didn't go off either (cell phone)

So, I make it the airport and fly to Costa Rica. My rental car cost$27/day the insurance $34/day. What a deal! So, I drive over to Holiday Inn Aurola. You didn't tell me it was in the in the center of the sex district! So, I step out to get a taxi to go to Hotel Del Rey when I look over and see it across the street.

I walk over there and I am approached by a guy that wants to "help" me. Ordinarily I would wave this guy off, but he was pretty mellow, not pushy. I struck up a conversation with him and he told me he was from Califorinia (1/2 Costa Rican) and he was avoiding a jail sentence for vehicular homocide. He killed somebody driving drunk. Well, he and I talked for about 1/2 hour. He was a wealth of information about places to visit, etc. He gave me the "walking tour" of massage parlors etc. He didn't ask for it, but I gave him 5000 Colones tip. He really spent a lot of time with me.

So now I have the lay of the land (pun alert) and I am off to Hotel Del Rey. Maybe because it was Sunday, but I felt most of the girls in there were of AKC quality. Finally I see a really cute girl, big breasts. I strike up a conversation with her and she fails my test: Cuantos ninos tiene? She has "uno". Ok, so we dicker on price and I "pull up" and leave. I walk the joint talking to this ho and that ho and GODAMMIT THEY ALL HAVE "NINOS"!

If they have ninos, that means several things 1) Prune belly 2)loose pussy 3) Saggy tits. So, since the first hottie had only one, I cave-in! I go full price $100 (54, 000 colones). S

She follows me back to the hotel complaining that I didn't get a taxi. I argued "Why? So they can turn the corner? We enter the hotel and that's when I get hit with the "I got to check in" at the desk, they want $47 for the "guest" and I have to sign a huge contract of liability. Needless to say, I am doubly screwed. I pay it because I am now participating in the folly. Up to the room, quick sex, smelly pussy, fake tits, prune belly. Yuck. I am done. I walk her back to Hotel Del Rey because after all I am "liable" for any destruction that happens in the hotel.

So, first day I spent $147 for basically nothing I couldn't have got in the USA for that amount.

Personally the best money I spent so far is for the drunk's advice and walking tour of the sex district.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[Member #2666]

If you really feel seeing a ZB girl outside of work it so "perfectly acceptable and honest it's their right to do as they choose" why don't you go up to Eddie next time you're there and ask him if he will give you his employees numbers so you can call them up to see outside his club? Then let us know what his reaction is.

That would be the kiss of death for me..he would probably throw my ass out for good and I'd have a tough time getting any more numbers from the ZB gals....but then again they'll probably eventually be working at New Fantasy or IDEM and I could get their numbers there or just settle on the numbers I have which I couldn't possible use up anyway


BTW.... anyone know what IDEM stands for

[Prolijo]

I definitely agree that there is a lot of incentive for many of these MP chicas to do a little moonlighting. They typically only get to keep about half of the MP session fee (I have no idea what Pamela's split might be) and with MP sessions (even at an expensive MP like ZB) being so much less than what many gringos will pay to bring home chicas from even more expensive places like the Del Rey, there is obviously lots of negotiating room to try and make it worth their while.

I also agree that there isn't a lot that MP or strip club owners can do to stop guys from trying to entice their girls away. When Newman was running Kamur he actually posted that he'd really prefer his girls would take their business outside the club and stick to just lap dances and pushing "dobles" while under his roof. If you can believe any of that. However, when you get down to it, there really isn't much that owners can do to stop guys from trying to entice his employees whether they want to allow it or not IF the gringo and his girl do it with any minimal level of discretion (to the best of my knowledge there are no hidden microphones hidden under the mattress in these places). And if they catch us what are they going to do to us? Ban us from the club or MP? In the case of ZB, that might seem like the ultimate tragedy, but then they'd lose whatever business we did bring into the club and besides none of us really depend on these places for our livelihood. We could even more easily than the chicas just go somewhere else.

OTOH, what is an owner to do with the chica when he is confronted by obvious "poaching" of his clientele, when a gringo asks his chica out right in front of the owner or comes stepping out of their room shouting "Does anybody have a pen?" (and what other reason could any guy have for needing a pen at an MP?) If he has good reason to believe he is losing business that he thinks should be his, he'll probably want to do something. After all he is running an on-premises entertainment club and not a matchmaking service. Without him, how would we have met these girls and been able to try them out? What do you think it costs to put together a club like ZB or the other places, secure the licenses (and pay off the officials)? Do you think he is going to settle for his $20 cut on one session and then be happy to never see another dime of any future sessions with that chica again? It doesn't matter what YOU think is "perfectly acceptable and honest" or the chica's "right to do as they choose after they have fulfilled their commitment to their job" (which as you will see can be argued isn't the case here). Its also the owners "right" to fire any employee as he sees fit. The mere fact that it is something that occurs after regular work hours is not enough to excuse it unless she met you originally somewhere else or is performing a different type of service for you than what she was hired to do at the club. Such labor commitments beyond working hours are not at all unusual. They are called "non-compete clauses" and though there may not be any formal written contract with these girls, there are definitely "house rules" that they agree to when they come on board.

So the motivation to do something about it is definitely there, but what? If the chica is a real money maker for the club, maybe not a lot. Maybe Eddie would never fire Pamela, though even that I'm not so sure if the circumstances warranted it, but I happen to know that he has at least suspended her in the past for other violations (e.g. getting into a fight last summer). I also happen to know of at least one chica who did get fired (and the gringo involved banned from ZB) when Eddie found out about it. I don't remember the exact particulars but as I recall there was photo evidence involved and less than discreet posting about it on-line. How many other chicas have left the employ over the last few years for reasons we don't fully know about?

These other girls who you say don't do any "business or a lot of business everyday" could very easily be canned or at least suspended if the little business they bring in goes right out and never comes back (or comes back much less because he's getting a better deal going direct). And while they might make much more than they do at the MP for that hour or two you spend with her outside the club, how much more will she lose if she's suspended for 2 weeks without any other regular clients lined up?

Of course, these girls are not "owned or indentured" to work anywhere. They are free to quit just as much as the owners are free to fire them. In the case, of the lower end MP's they very well might be able to simply go to work somewhere else and make just as much. Then again I don't know how tight a business community it is, but if the word gets out that she "steals" customers maybe she won't so easily get a job at another place and then she is back to working at Hipermas or some such place for $20/day. And what about the ZB girls? With the amount of traffic there and the rates they get (even if they split the fee in half), they're not likely to make that type of money if they go back to working at Oasis, particularly if they weren't doing so well at ZB. And the better ones could turn their moonlighting to a full time endeavor (and some have) and make more money, but there is often a reason they didn't go the Del Rey route to begin with. I know of at least one top-tier NF chica that could be making a fortune at the HDR or moonlighting but she doesn't do it I guess because she prefers the security of only doing it on-premises to going out with guys and because she prefers the set hours.

Now some of this is devil's advocate. I'm NOT saying that we should never try to meet MP chicas after work. And I'm NOT saying that a lot of chicas don't moonlight. AND I'm not saying there is really anything the MP owners can do about if they don't find out and not a lot more than that they can do even if they do find out. I guess what I'm saying is that I think if you're going to pursue these things, you need to be as discrete as possible. The risk to you may be non-existent but there may be some financial risk to the chica if the owners find out. Maybe not outright firing, but certainly a suspension that could wind up costing her a lot more than she would make off of you. If you really feel seeing a ZB girl outside of work it so "perfectly acceptable and honest it's their right to do as they choose" why don't you go up to Eddie next time you're there and ask him if he will give you his employees numbers so you can call them up to see outside his club? Then let us know what his reaction is.

[Member #2666]

Don't want to bicker here either.

How did you meet her in the first place if not by at some point going to ZB and paying that $44? And as long as you're counting every minute of your TLN as "session time" to bring down your perceived rate per hour of sexo shouldn't you also factor in the cost of the sessions (plus tips) you had with her inside ZB to come up with your average rates? Exactly how many was that before you saw her outside the club?

Like member 2964 I also spend a fair amount of time in CR and don't have the wherewithall to be spending the $1400 for two weeks of mongering.

Since Wanda was working ZB I have been accumulating names and numbers from the so called protected girls who work there and they willingly give them out to make a lot of extra money working outside the ZB and other MP's the likes of Europa 2000, Monaco, Vips, New Fantasy, Las Marguritias, Sobeney, and the 6th street crowd.

To think for one minute that these girls a owned or endentured by the places the work is nieve at best.

Let's face it, the turnover is huge in these places and not every girl does business or a lot of business everyday. They have bills to pay and we have to pay to play. To ask a girl for her number to come to your apartment or hotel is not only perfectly acceptable and honest it's their right to do as they choose after they have fulfilled their commitment to their job..

I would find it hard to believe that any productive girl (ie. making money for the club) working any of the aformentioned bars/MP's got fired for working on the side...

Doesn't make good business sense, although I can see where the threat may be effective...Does anyone think Eddie would ever fire Pamela...he should be giving the whole $44 if he isn't already!