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  1. #20855
    "If you approach these stuck-up women in person, they may call in the sheriff for sexual harassment and sue you in civil court for destroying their chaste lives. ".

    Exactly what I'm scared of even before the Sex Felony Law. Sometimes I get questions from family or some friends why I'm still single but only protecting myself women have so many rights and men almost always wrong in USA. I scared these days to even try and arouse/get sensual a date. Fuck it I'd rather just go to TJ and pay for it, no issues no complications no legal risks.

    For now I have to stay and work in TX 1-3 more years then I could move wherever in the world. Would like Thailand or PI but feels so far away + I been all over Colombia and speak a decent Spanish so why not permanent base myself there for awhile? Or somewhere in Mexico. If I really itch to leave TX sooner would try to get a job in CA or back to FL. I loved some aspects of South Florida but women just as stuck up (not all if you go the local bars and night clubs). P4P in FL especially Ft. Lauderdale and Miami more overlooked by LE and certainly not a felony + if can travel freely CR and Colombia so close for long weekends!

    If woman in U.S. completely gets her way everything Ok however if make just 1 mis-step however trivial watch out!

  2. #20854
    Quote Originally Posted by ClownDays  [View Original Post]
    I don't want to presume anything about the girl, but I have plenty of family in Mexico, and the boyfriends were never expected to help the girlfriends family financially when things got bad. They are expected to provide for her once your marry her, and possibly help the family, but you're not there.

    I will say this, her family might not actually put 2-and-2 together about her work, because it's the idealized dream of every Mexican mother that her daughter finds herself a rich guy to look after her daughter, and that might be the line she feeds when about why she goes to work at the border, in hopes of finding a solid middle-to-upper-class Norteo. Her family might intentionally have blinders on.

    Some Mexican families do put pressure on their Children to help them with money, even if they're grown ass adults not living at home, and if she's been lying about where the money comes from, she may have worked herself into a bind. I have a buddy who's mom just paid $60 k cash for a piece of land in a gated Colonia, and when I asked him where the hell she (who doesn't work) got that kind of money, he said it was from her savings of the money each of the grown kids give her each month. Family financial situations that come up are expected to be solved, whenever possible within the family- like they all pull together to figure it out. That's the cultural part. Hitting up the boyfriends for money is outside of that, unless you've made her think you've got plenty of disposable cash, and are willing to help her out with whatever she needs.

    Sorry to hear the last night was rough, but the "I need to send money back home and I'm short, can you help me out?" conversations are probably not going to stop.
    I am waiting for that request to help family to drop, but we are going to Paris for New Years as it was her "dream. " I just did it since I don't have a significant other anymore and more of a gift for her graduation from university. I put a time limit on "support" as I told her to have a normal relationship, it shouldn't involve providing "support" money and I do the same with my kids. I only support for so long and then kick them out of the nest to fly or flop. You can only help people enough so they can help themselves. If she needs continual support, then sure other guys will be lining up. We went to Coco Bongo and they picked her twice to be in the show. Some guy from Germany was trying to hit on her and so was another Mexican dude, but I don't speak Spanish and plus we are just "friends.

    She was drunk the first night and was crying asking if she was pretty and I said sure and she should know from all of the attention she received. The guy working at the club gave his contact info if she wanted a job. I joked and said she should move to Cancun and I could visit. She admitted that she is insecure and I said only you can be satisfied with your looks and don't seek out confirmation from other people. She reminds me of some chick from the mid-west that grew up in the country and comes to LA or any large city and realizes their beauty once they get so much attention. I actually prefer to be low key and behind the scenes kind of guy, but they kept pointing the camera that displays on the big screens our direction while she was dancing. Fun times!

  3. #20853
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Well, I've got news for people. American culture is the same with respect to this. I know it from direct experience! You start dating a "civvie" girl and you're going out and you're fucking her, and then she starts feeling entitled and justified in asking for a little "help" every now and then because she's giving up the pussy. This kind of thing is hardly exclusive to either Mexico or the United States. Like a buddy of mine said, it's like the value of the dick she's getting isn't worth enough! That's not an even up trade in her mind, so the guy is expected to start throwing in some "help" (money) every now and then. But oh no she's not a tute! And what if the guy needs some help and asks her for some? Oh, now all of a sudden he's a freeloader and taking advantage! I for one can say I never asked a civvie girlfriend for one red cent, and got tired of some acting like I owed them some "help" just because we were fucking. That pussy isn't gold!
    I've had the opposite experience with American women as far back as my college days. Fiercely independent and were pay their own way kinda gals. Took a chic to Vegas during grad school and she insisted on splitting all travel expenses 50/50. American women that I've dated have also taken me out to eat and paid. Women I have spent time with in Mexico and Asia have never attempted to pay for anything. It's not even alligator arms. It's just so culturally ingrained. For example, American girls have given me genuine thank yours for taking them out and footing the bill. That never happened with Asian or Mexican chicas I've dated. Of course, the guy should pay for the date is the mentally that I've experienced.

  4. #20852
    Quote Originally Posted by KoolBeans  [View Original Post]
    I wish I would have known this before my conversation with a regular on the last night in Cancun. She said it is normal and her previous boyfriends helped when they could. I told her in all of my previous relationships they never asked for a dime and also weren't materialistic. She said she wasn't either, but her previous job only covered daily living basics and if emergency occurred, then a boyfriend would help out. She tells her family I'm her boyfriend in Tijuana and that justifies her money she received while working at HK.

    I told her they should be smart enough to figure out a gringo that she just met isn't going to give her enough cash for her to get them a car and take them on vacations. She said she needs to focus on helping herself since her family hasn't provided her support since she was 17. Fucked up reality, but sure most struggle. Also she told me a story of how she was raped by an older boyfriend and had to have an abortion at 17. Really fucked me up, but sure most have their challenges their dealing with. Fun Cancun trip and feels like a dream for the first 3 days. Things got back on course the next day, but at night it felt like a bad marriage where we both sleep with our backs to each other and she played a Bruno Mars song I havent heard of that hit me hard Talking to the moon.
    I don't want to presume anything about the girl, but I have plenty of family in Mexico, and the boyfriends were never expected to help the girlfriends family financially when things got bad. They are expected to provide for her once your marry her, and possibly help the family, but you're not there.

    I will say this, her family might not actually put 2-and-2 together about her work, because it's the idealized dream of every Mexican mother that her daughter finds herself a rich guy to look after her daughter, and that might be the line she feeds when about why she goes to work at the border, in hopes of finding a solid middle-to-upper-class Norteo. Her family might intentionally have blinders on.

    Some Mexican families do put pressure on their Children to help them with money, even if they're grown ass adults not living at home, and if she's been lying about where the money comes from, she may have worked herself into a bind. I have a buddy who's mom just paid $60 k cash for a piece of land in a gated Colonia, and when I asked him where the hell she (who doesn't work) got that kind of money, he said it was from her savings of the money each of the grown kids give her each month. Family financial situations that come up are expected to be solved, whenever possible within the family- like they all pull together to figure it out. That's the cultural part. Hitting up the boyfriends for money is outside of that, unless you've made her think you've got plenty of disposable cash, and are willing to help her out with whatever she needs.

    Sorry to hear the last night was rough, but the "I need to send money back home and I'm short, can you help me out?" conversations are probably not going to stop.

  5. #20851

    Culture

    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    Mexican culture is different from the USA. It's more of a "feudal" society (although it's changing rapidly) and the "richer" person is expected to "help" the poorer person. Noblesse oblige. You don't do something as crude as saying Hi, want to screw for $100? You talk and flirt and do what you'd normally do to pick up the girl. At some point she may mention help with the rent. Or, she may not. But you, at some point, would ask if they need assistance with bills, or whatever. They do not consider it prostitution, and offering them money for sex would piss off many of them. Maybe it's a rose by another name, but it pays big dividends to be culturally sensitive. I help all of my civvie GFs when I see them. The amount varies, NONE of them consider it P4 P, and all of them are very happy to have the help.
    Well, I've got news for people. American culture is the same with respect to this. I know it from direct experience! You start dating a "civvie" girl and you're going out and you're fucking her, and then she starts feeling entitled and justified in asking for a little "help" every now and then because she's giving up the pussy. This kind of thing is hardly exclusive to either Mexico or the United States. Like a buddy of mine said, it's like the value of the dick she's getting isn't worth enough! That's not an even up trade in her mind, so the guy is expected to start throwing in some "help" (money) every now and then. But oh no she's not a tute! And what if the guy needs some help and asks her for some? Oh, now all of a sudden he's a freeloader and taking advantage! I for one can say I never asked a civvie girlfriend for one red cent, and got tired of some acting like I owed them some "help" just because we were fucking. That pussy isn't gold!

  6. #20850
    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    Mexican culture is different from the USA. It's more of a "feudal" society (although it's changing rapidly) and the "richer" person is expected to "help" the poorer person. Noblesse oblige. You don't do something as crude as saying Hi, want to screw for $100? You talk and flirt and do what you'd normally do to pick up the girl. At some point she may mention help with the rent. Or, she may not. But you, at some point, would ask if they need assistance with bills, or whatever. They do not consider it prostitution, and offering them money for sex would piss off many of them. Maybe it's a rose by another name, but it pays big dividends to be culturally sensitive. I help all of my civvie GFs when I see them. The amount varies, NONE of them consider it P4 P, and all of them are very happy to have the help.
    I wish I would have known this before my conversation with a regular on the last night in Cancun. She said it is normal and her previous boyfriends helped when they could. I told her in all of my previous relationships they never asked for a dime and also weren't materialistic. She said she wasn't either, but her previous job only covered daily living basics and if emergency occurred, then a boyfriend would help out. She tells her family I'm her boyfriend in Tijuana and that justifies her money she received while working at HK.

    I told her they should be smart enough to figure out a gringo that she just met isn't going to give her enough cash for her to get them a car and take them on vacations. She said she needs to focus on helping herself since her family hasn't provided her support since she was 17. Fucked up reality, but sure most struggle. Also she told me a story of how she was raped by an older boyfriend and had to have an abortion at 17. Really fucked me up, but sure most have their challenges their dealing with. Fun Cancun trip and feels like a dream for the first 3 days. Things got back on course the next day, but at night it felt like a bad marriage where we both sleep with our backs to each other and she played a Bruno Mars song I haven’t heard of that hit me hard “Talking to the moon.”

  7. #20849
    These days the police sort of tolerate the SW's or until they become a nuisance or their superior's tell them to crack down. SDPD cut back vice to 1 officer at the sub-stations.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClownDays  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, it's going to take a while, if it ever happens. They've been trying in San Francisco since I can remember and the measure always loses by large margins.

  8. #20848
    Quote Originally Posted by Hargow20  [View Original Post]
    We have a moral hangup about prostitution and this why it is illegal. People don't like seeing girls out on streets. So many girls dress so scantily in bikni's or lingerie & standing in the middle of the streets only riles up the locals. It is only within the past 5 or 6 years that the girls started dressing like this. I can understand people that live in the neighborhoods get irritated when they act like this. My own belief is that eros centers like they have in Germany is the best solution. They are discreet & guys can still have fun at a reasonable price. The Eros centers have largely eliminated the pimps as well. As for Texas it is ridiculous that they have made prostitution a felony. Let's remember that a felony is defined as penalty that carries a sentence of 1 year or more. I seriously doubt prostitution will be legalized in the CA however.
    Yeah, it's going to take a while, if it ever happens. They've been trying in San Francisco since I can remember and the measure always loses by large margins.

  9. #20847
    We have a moral hangup about prostitution and this why it is illegal. People don't like seeing girls out on streets. So many girls dress so scantily in bikni's or lingerie & standing in the middle of the streets only riles up the locals. It is only within the past 5 or 6 years that the girls started dressing like this. I can understand people that live in the neighborhoods get irritated when they act like this. My own belief is that eros centers like they have in Germany is the best solution. They are discreet & guys can still have fun at a reasonable price. The Eros centers have largely eliminated the pimps as well. As for Texas it is ridiculous that they have made prostitution a felony. Let's remember that a felony is defined as penalty that carries a sentence of 1 year or more. I seriously doubt prostitution will be legalized in the CA however.

    Quote Originally Posted by StRobert  [View Original Post]
    Prostitution was legal in the US (Texas, California, New York, Louisiana etc before 1914.) Now politicians cannot regulate even such a simple thing as legal prostitution. (I'm not a mathematician) but I figured out how much the state of California is losing money because it has illegal prostitution and money is spent by US citizens 10 minutes from the border in Tijuana's Zona Norte. For example, in one week, 1000 US guys spend $ US 250 / person in Zona Norte = $ US 250,000 / week. That's $ US 1 million per month. And now for a year, $ US 1 million x 52 weeks is $ US 52 million. The total is about $ US 52 million is spent in Mexico 10 minutes from the border in Zona Norte but not in California.

  10. #20846

    Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    A law pushed by haters and deviants.
    That's not even close to being the end of the story. I remember when I first started my mongering life. I was sitting there in a bar located in a well-known Central American puta palace tossing one back. So, I'm looking up at the wall, and what do I see? Patches from police departments all over the United States! I'm like well I'll be damned! Will you look at this shit? So, these guys are back there arresting people for doing the same damn thing they're traveling abroad to do! It's not that I was particularly "surprised" by what I was seeing (people are going to be people). It was just having the hypocrisy so openly flaunted in my face. Well, it only gave me more encouragement to take more steps towards living my life the way I wanted to. I liked flying in and slam fucking all those pretty Ticas and Colombianas, and I wasn't going to stop it. Anybody else's morals (real or feigned) be damned!

  11. #20845
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    Texas' recent felony prostitution and antiabortion laws, allowing any party to rat on and sue providers for bounties, are way too extreme. Soon they may have stricter laws against fornication and adultery if they are not already in the book. Texas' lawmakers prefer the citizens to praise the Lord while screwing their own children and cousins hehe.

    OTOH Texas is not serious about prosecuting human traffickers and horny teachers screwing their young students, which seem to happen a lot in Texas.

    Elon Musk and company are moving to Texas. These guys are highly stressed and wild. I figure they will have lots of run ins with redneck laws. Or Elon may just buy all those Bible-thumping pols and legislate Texas into a Philistine state just to keep his workers happy pumping out cars.
    Prostitution was legal in the US (Texas, California, New York, Louisiana etc before 1914.) Now politicians cannot regulate even such a simple thing as legal prostitution. (I'm not a mathematician) but I figured out how much the state of California is losing money because it has illegal prostitution and money is spent by US citizens 10 minutes from the border in Tijuana's Zona Norte. For example, in one week, 1000 US guys spend $ US 250 / person in Zona Norte = $ US 250,000 / week. That's $ US 1 million per month. And now for a year, $ US 1 million x 52 weeks is $ US 52 million. The total is about $ US 52 million is spent in Mexico 10 minutes from the border in Zona Norte but not in California.

  12. #20844
    Quote Originally Posted by TjBrazil  [View Original Post]
    I saw this video on you tube from this dating coach about how once you go down the escort hooker route it's almost impossible to go back to normal girls. It's a real good video I thought you guys would like watching, but there is a mention in the video about these famous identical twin sisters in Brazil that were escorts. He talks about his friend and other guys flying from around the world to sleep with these identical twins. Did I miss this. I don't remember twins at Help or on the escort site. Anyone care to comment and know anything about these twins and did you hook up with them. Thanks.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONtl6xjdk3s
    Given this video was from a "dating coach" that's trying to sell you his services I watched this video with a skeptical eye. While I agree if you only use escorts and give up on regular dating you will have some cost to pay for that but the vast majority of guys aren't doing that. Most guys are still involved in the dating scene (if they are single or cheating) or with their significant other if they have a wife / girlfriend already so this decline he speaks of can easily be avoided by simply not going escort only which probably very few here will advise. I'd also so some of us may even see being able to pull women in our regular dating life that look like some of the best escorts we've bang as a challenge to aspire to which means we know there are things we need to work on to accomplish that.

    I don't know about the so call famous identical twins though. No idea if that was a true story or just a made up story to demonstrate a point.

  13. #20843
    Quote Originally Posted by CocrBrotheler  [View Original Post]
    Maybe a game changer in the "transactional" dating scene here in TX?

    I went out a couple weekends ago here in TX to see a Kiss cover band and most of the women in there were 30ish-50ish typical stuck up bitches.

    Not that I was trying to hit on any of them however the only ones smiling at me and making eye contact were a couple of younger hotties. Makes me wonder if before the new law they could of possibly been on SA or SB web-sites but now with new law must go out and physically interact for clients versus being tracked on-line? I don't know and not interested in trying to find out. New law even makes me scared to try and regular date again.

    Housing no longer cheap in TX either unless move to BFE. Use to be able to get on the fringes of the major cities a nice new 3 or 4 bedroom for low 200's. Now is $350 K-$500 K easily.
    Considering it's a felony, I don't even think it's worth trying, especially since the law just kicked in and the politicians are going to be pushing Law Enforcement to show results for it to make the people feel like they are rooting the immoral degenerates out of their state, and stopping it from turning into Los Angeles or San Francisco.

  14. #20842

    Texas' Draconian laws

    If you approach these stuck-up women in person, they may call in the sheriff for sexual harassment and sue you in civil court for destroying their chaste lives.

    It would be easy to sting Sugar Babies in TX. Once there are agreements to exchange sex for money and the Sugar Babies show up to further the exchange, they can be arrested for prostitution and thrown in state prison 1 year to honeymoon with beefy butches.

    Remember how FBI arrested the owners of Back Page in Texas? Potentially TX already has secret indictments for guys like the owner of SA. If he ever sets foot on Texas LE may be waiting. In fact FBI can use sugar babies as witness to charge SA owners with human trafficking, mail fraud, wire fraud, abusing interstate infrastructure, pimping and pandering. They can send out Red Notice to Interpol and the first time the guy crosses a border out of Singapore, they can arrest his ass and extradite to the US for prosecution.

    Texas just loooooves to throw the big law book and the Bible at the evil, devil-possessed perverts who enable and facilitate sex, except the kinky and incestuous kinds practiced by their Bible thumping state officials.

  15. #20841

    Texas' Draconian laws

    Maybe a game changer in the "transactional" dating scene here in TX?

    I went out a couple weekends ago here in TX to see a Kiss cover band and most of the women in there were 30ish-50ish typical stuck up bitches.

    Not that I was trying to hit on any of them however the only ones smiling at me and making eye contact were a couple of younger hotties. Makes me wonder if before the new law they could of possibly been on SA or SB web-sites but now with new law must go out and physically interact for clients versus being tracked on-line? I don't know and not interested in trying to find out. New law even makes me scared to try and regular date again.

    Housing no longer cheap in TX either unless move to BFE. Use to be able to get on the fringes of the major cities a nice new 3 or 4 bedroom for low 200's. Now is $350 K-$500 K easily.

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