General Reports

[Phordphan]

I was thinking of going on a date and taking in a movie at Cineopolis on my next trip. Does anyone know if the movies are in espanol. And if they are do they have sub titles in english. And do they show the same first run movies that we would find in the US?

The movies are first run, sometimes just a few weeks behind the US, but sometimes at the same time.

The "big" movies are almost all in English, with Spanish subtitles. Sometimes they'll be dubbed in Spanish, but as that is much more expensive, it's rare.

You'll also occasionally find movies that don't make the theaters here, or are straight-to-video productions, etc.

And, you'll also find Spanish-language market movies, too. Those will usually have English subtitles.

The VIP theater is nice, has reclining love-seat type seating, a bar in the lobby, etc.

[Baxter Slade]

I was thinking of going on a date and taking in a movie at Cineopolis on my next trip. Does anyone know if the movies are in espanol. And if they are do they have sub titles in english. And do they show the same first run movies that we would find in the US?

[Atticusct]

These guys are just trying to catch criminals, if you let them do their job they will make it a lot easier on you.

'The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. '. Benjamin Franklin.

Madison, thanks for the tip! Next time I'm in Tijuana (maybe March or April) , I'll be sure to check it out!

Regarding giving the Border Patrol agent a hassle, I understand where you're coming from and respect your opinion. I even felt at the time,"Seriously, what's the big deal?" But after my friend and I talked about it, I saw his point of view as well. According to the law that they are enforcing, when someone is leaving the country there is not a policy requiring them to ask anything. There are two things they are allowed to do. Check your bags and ask you if you have more than $10k on you. If they find contraband during their cursory search, they are allowed to prosecute you for laws you are currently breaking on US soil. I do not disagree with this and think it's a very reasonable standard.

What I do not agree with is someone of authority asking me more than those two questions when I am EXITING the country. What they are asking are questions appropriate for the MEXICAN AUTHORITIES to ask, which they have every right request of me. When I return to the US, Border Patrol and Customs can then ask me where I live, what I was doing in Mexico, etc. The agent in the situation described below was out of hand and outside of even the procedures described in the pamphlet they gave us. In the future, when asked at the border about where I am going in Mexico, why and for how long, the answer will be,"It really isn't any of your business. That is for the Mexican authorities to worry about." The agent was wrong, he knew it and I hope EVERY SINGLE PERSON pulled aside gives these people a hard time. If I must stay within the guidelines of the law, so do they. I cannot take a check-point at a card table very seriously. You're going to ask me arbitrary questions and you don't even have a computer to record my answers? Seriously? What are you trying accomplish? If you want to make the borders safe, giving two American citizens who have nothing illegal on them a hard time is not the way to do it. You say my friend wasted his time? I say he made that decision when he decided to waste ours.

When the law requires me to answer what are meaningless questions at the border, I will comply. Until then, I expect them to play by the same rules I have to abide by. This is why we live in America. If I wanted to give the government carte blanche, then I would have changed my residency to Mexico or China.

[MadisonGuy]

So I haven't read about this one and it seems to be a local favorite. You like girls that are between 20-24 and clean? What about a nice massage?

Well, Luxor provides more of the former than the later. And it's FANTASTIC. Get a cab ride to Paseo Centenario #9211 Local 12 in Zona Rio. It's next to the Casino. It's your standard massage. They're looking for $65US@the Door and $100US inside the room. I was able to talk the guy down to $550MEX for the room and $1000MEX for the massagi.

Was it worth it? I would say it was fun but I wouldn't do it again. Not GFE and the table sucked. You can pull the girls out of there I hear for about $60US without much hassle. Bring them next door to the casino / hotel and work it out.

Black Bull was a mixed bag. It's across from the Hotel Ticuan and has some ok girls in there. You can get a massage in the place for $45 and work out the difference with the girl in the room. OR you can bring them to your room at the Ticuan for $60 or so and work out the difference with the girl. My friend said he did bareback everything with this 18 year-old spinner for $1000MEX on her first two weeks on the job. The next time he saw her, she wanted the same but covered. Which was probably for the better. I don't really trust these girls (and no one should). The night shift was ok. The Black Bull has a bar next door where the drinks are $5 / ea and the music is ok. They dance and chill until their boss calls them next door for a lineup. I hear it's a lot of fun and may do it next time. The girls probably will tumble around with you for between $60-80US. If you want anything special, you're paying more.

I think Black Bull is called Maria Bonita, they may have changed the name recently though. That is what the cab drivers and locals know it as. I've done like 5 sessions there never really been all that satisfied but it's a nice way to finish or start a day if you're staying at Ticuan. I've tried the bar next door a few times but it's a walk in and walk out situation it's always dead and it's not really all that great a place. If you walk up the street from there to New Body I think you will be a lot happier! They've had some smoking hot girls there and it has a very US cigar bar vibe to it. If you walk out Ticuan front door you take a right and follow the street for about 4 blocks it curves to the right and is right at a Y in the road. You also will walk by a Mermaids on the way there, I did 2 line ups there and they're even worse than the one across from HK. Last time I was at New Body there was a girl there that spoke almost perfect english, like you would think she went to high school in the states. Fichas are water an New Body though, or soda I don't buy them unless they have a beer in a bottle. I wasn't paying attention one night and this girl slammed down a ton of friggin drinks and when I got the bill I was like there's no way a girl could drink that much liquor and still be standing (think it was around 20 in 2 hours). My fault as it's not a normal occurrence at this place. It's also $2 for a beer at New Body and $3 for dos equis amber which is what usually draws me back because I need a buzz before I start drinking that junk at HK. Next time check it out I think you will be quite pleased. They have a pool table too so you and your buddy can play doubles against the girls there. Something about a girl shooting pool is just hot to me.

[MadisonGuy]

so here's the general report of my travels. i'll point you guys to adelitas, the message page or hk when i discuss them. overall, excellent trip. i went with my friend who goes at least once a month or so for the past 26 years, so i was able to get around very easily.

arrival at the border (10/27) :

so we arrive at the otay mesa border crossing around 6pm after kicking it in san diego. parking there is $7 / day and it's 10 minutes to the border on foot. so my buddy and i are crossing and reach the border patrol agents at the card table before we hit the mexican side. they pull us aside, seeing how we're carrying a suitcase each. they search our bags and start playing 20 questions with my friend.

basically, my friend retorts,"under usc 19, you can ask me if i have $10k or more on me and search my bags. that's all you can do."

the agent responds,"we can ask you where you're coming from, where you're going and what business you have in mexico."

it sounds like your buddy was a bit of a prick. imagine you have a job as an authority figure, some of these people probably got into the job because they were picked on when they were kids and that's what drove them into that job. if you try to show authority to someone like that they are going to try to put you in your place. i think it's always better to make them chuckle than give them a hard time. i've had some of the border people say really stupid shit to me, i tell them 100% truth if i'm bringing anything back i let them know. i even brought something back illegally a couple times but they let me go and didn't confirep001e it (cubans and knock of purses). when i cross at tijuana border i tell them i went to see a girl, and not the kind you bring home to mom. i've been surprised with how cool everyone i've came into contact with at that border crossing is. the one time i had my bag searched i literally unzipped it they saw inside and sad ok, didn't even look underneath my clothes. these guys are just trying to catch criminals, if you let them do their job they will make it a lot easier on you.

[Atticusct]

So I haven't read about this one and it seems to be a local favorite. You like girls that are between 20-24 and clean? What about a nice massage?

Well, Luxor provides more of the former than the later. And it's FANTASTIC. Get a cab ride to Paseo Centenario #9211 Local 12 in Zona Rio. It's next to the Casino. It's your standard massage. They're looking for $65US@the door and $100US inside the room. I was able to talk the guy down to $550MEX for the room and $1000MEX for the massagi.

Was it worth it? I would say it was fun but I wouldn't do it again. Not GFE and the table sucked. You can pull the girls out of there I hear for about $60US without much hassle. Bring them next door to the casino / hotel and work it out.

Black Bull was a mixed bag. It's across from the Hotel Ticuan and has some ok girls in there. You can get a massage in the place for $45 and work out the difference with the girl in the room. OR you can bring them to your room at the Ticuan for $60 or so and work out the difference with the girl. My friend said he did bareback everything with this 18 year-old spinner for $1000MEX on her first two weeks on the job. The next time he saw her, she wanted the same but covered. Which was probably for the better. I don't really trust these girls (and no one should). The night shift was ok. The Black Bull has a bar next door where the drinks are $5 / ea and the music is ok. They dance and chill until their boss calls them next door for a lineup. I hear it's a lot of fun and may do it next time. The girls probably will tumble around with you for between $60-80US. If you want anything special, you're paying more.

[Grandma]

On 102. 7, most popular radio station in LA. NBC4 is showing a documentary on "Tijuana Sex Trafficking" at 11.

Highlights:

Girl from Riverside caught up in the sex trade.

Little boys and girls.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...133094943.html

My guess is this is going to bring a shit load of people over to Tijuana this weekend.

[Atticusct]

So here's the general report of my travels. I'll point you guys to Adelitas, the message page or HK when I discuss them. Overall, EXCELLENT TRIP. I went with my friend who goes at least once a month or so for the past 26 years, so I was able to get around very easily.

Arrival at the border (10/27) :

So we arrive at the Otay Mesa border crossing around 6pm after kicking it in San Diego. Parking there is $7 / day and it's 10 minutes to the border on foot. So my buddy and I are crossing and reach the Border Patrol Agents at the card table before we hit the Mexican side. They pull us aside, seeing how we're carrying a suitcase each. They search our bags and start playing 20 questions with my friend.

Basically, my friend retorts,"Under USC 19, you can ask me if I have $10k or more on me and search my bags. That's all you can do."

The agent responds,"We can ask you where you're coming from, where you're going and what business you have in Mexico."

My friend,"Yes, you can ask. But I am not required to answer."

BPA,"Do you know you have 4 condoms in your bag?"

Friend,"Yes. So what."

BPA,"Just making sure you're not going over there to have sex with children. There is sex trafficking in Mexico of women."

At this point, it's a big WHOAAA."Are you accusing us of something? And I didn't realize you had jurisdiction in Mexico to enforce ANY laws with out a joint task force?"

BPA,"If you just answered our questions, this would have gone easier. Consider yourself delayed."

So here we are being delayed. After 10 minutes, we get our passports back and off we go. The Mexicans just look at us and smile like,"Whatever muchachos". We hop in a cab and go to the Hotel Ticuan. Cab ride was $18. WHEN YOU RETURN: Be sure that you are there NO LATER than 11PM. That border crossing closes at midnight. The best time to cross is around 8pm. On Saturday, there was NO LINE at that time and crossing was very easy.

The Hotel Ticuan is right off Revolution (Zona Centro). Las Pulgas is the club right on the corner that is next to the hotel and is one of the best clubs in Tijuana for locals. The hotel is $650MEX / night online. If you go in person, it's $700-$750MEX / night. Basically, ensure you do your reservation online. Across the street is the Black Bull (more on that in the Massage Parlor section). The rooms are clean, the restaurant and bar very good (and inexpensive) and the front desk speaks English. There is a drug store across the street that sells an assortment of things that you may need. Unfortunately, you better speak Spanish or it'll be a game of charades. The hotel was perfect and I wouldn't stay anywhere else. When I see locals there, you know it's good spot. It also has free WiFi.

Taxi cabs were $50-$60MEX wherever we went locally. Rosarito would have been about $300MEX there and back.

For a nice mall to chill at, check out la Plaza Rio in Zona Rio. It's right off the highway and has a telemex, cinema and tons of shops. There's also a lot to see. If you speak the language, it's easy to make acquaintance at the Starbucks (which also has free internet). I saw NO TOURISTS here. I blended because I look latino. My friend is pretty white, so everyone was looking at him like,"You lost?"

For restaurants, these are excellent spots and two of the best restaurants in Tijuana. You'll have some of the freshest seafood and beef compared to ANYWHERE. Los Archos (Blvd. Salinas No. 1000) is a seafood place. I had the trout and it was magnificent and the margaritas perfect. All said and done, it was $320 MEX for me. Between the drinks, appetizers and entree, well worth it. Don Diego (Francisco Javier Mina 1611) is excellent for beef. The rib eye was exquisite and perfectly marbled. Just be ready to have a map with directions there ready because the cabbies had NO IDEA where this place was. After appetizers and drinks, I was looking at about $260MEX. Aside from that, I ate at the restaurant at Hotel Ticuan ($30-40MEX / meal) and the taco stands at night.

I'll get into my experiences in Zona Roja in the appropriate sections. Basically, HK is the BEST PLACE TO GO. Adelitas is a close second. Also went to Luxor for a massagi and checked out the casino next store (a big digital bingo / slot machine arcade). Overall, it was fantastic to experience (which I'll get into shortly).

Cambios: I would exchange my cash to pesos. You get a better rate EVERYWHERE. Do it at the cambio around the corner from HK. They have the best rate and no commission. You are going to get the shaft with dollars. They're only good when you're tipping on stage, since you aren't going to tip $10MEX.

This is meant for information on where to stay and places to go. Check out my articles in the other sections for more specifics on my experiences at the clubs. Understand that when I go, I'm not the bargain tourist but I'm frugal. If you see it here, it's worth checking out and is worth the money laid out.

[MadisonGuy]

Hi guys, have been out of the hobby for a few years since hooking up with a lady from Toronto full-time (long story) and ending up where you would expect (international divorces are a pain in the ass, let me tell you!). Anyway, am heading to Tijuana after about 5 years off and have been looking on the boards for info, but thought I would ask directly:

1. There are a lot of websites with girls advertised; are these any better than just tooling around Zona Norte and negotiating (I don't have much spanish)

2. In the past, the girls would have a room or would direct you to hotel; is it better just to have a room (e. G, Ticuan) prior to trolling.

3. Is it better to find girls in the clubs (and will they leave with you) , use the websites, or off the street?

Thanks for any help. Will post when I return.

Until then, I remain,

Your obedient servant,

Winston

Just like anywhere else money talks and you can almost always get what you want for a price. I think it's around 20 fichas to pull a girl out of the club, I did it once and it was well worth it but it's rare that I find a girl that I want to do that with. Also sometimes locals can get girls that normally wouldn't go, but be careful you don't want the douche bag that's going to ruin it and jack the price up. If you want a street girl to come to your hotel find the girl first don't go following some guy around looking at fat ugly women.

[MadisonGuy]

Wow! If you are hanging with recent deportees that have killed or attempted to kill, then you better watch your back! If they are trying to be your friend and chat with you a lot, they are setting you up! They are trying to earn or steal enough money to pay a coyote to get them back to their gangs. Don't be fooled by their niceness. Please please please be careful! Leopards don't change their spots!

I disagree man, if I grew up differently I don't know that I wouldn't have done the same things they have. I'm not talking about the guys that come up to you and say I can show you around do you have a dollar to spare. These guys are working in hotels, bars, really cool guys that you wonder what the hell are they doing working here when they speak such good english. But if you're up front with them and don't judge they will tell you the truth. I hung out with one guy like 4 nights and he had a small like grocery store size plastic bag carrying everything he owned and worked as a masero. I'm a very good judge of who I can and can't trust. There's bad people that do bad things and good people that do bad things, I'd rather have a good person that does bad things on my side. I will say though it is funny being a preppy white guy sitting next to these guys talking about yeah I was in that jail too man you know this guy and that guy. It's like there gangs stretch so far they all know each other some how. Although there is another type of deportee I met a few times also, guys who crossed illegally and married women have to come back for 1-2 years before they can get their residency. It's kind of dumb, treating them like a kid that didn't play by the rules going to the corner with a dunce cap. I still stand by Tijuana, Rosarito and Ensanada being very safe places. I'd feel way more comfortable walking the streets at 2am there then in the ghetto in the US at 2am.

[Joe Arturo]

Hi guys, have been out of the hobby for a few years since hooking up with a lady from Toronto full-time (long story) and ending up where you would expect (international divorces are a pain in the ass, let me tell you!). Anyway, am heading to Tijuana after about 5 years off and have been looking on the boards for info, but thought I would ask directly:

1. There are a lot of websites with girls advertised; are these any better than just tooling around Zona Norte and negotiating (I don't have much spanish)

2. In the past, the girls would have a room or would direct you to hotel; is it better just to have a room (e. G, Ticuan) prior to trolling.

3. Is it better to find girls in the clubs (and will they leave with you) , use the websites, or off the street?

Thanks for any help. Will post when I return.

Until then, I remain,

Your obedient servant,

Winston

If you plan to use your hotel room for short term play then stay in a hotel in the zona. Leyva, Cascadas or Hacienda Del Santiago.

Most of the bar girls will do a half hour "upstairs" for $60 or an hour for $100. I have been paying $200 for all night in my hotel room after their shift (or on their night off). If you want to do this, it is better to hit the afternoon girls. At Chicago Club they get off at 10 PM, at Adelitas and Hong Kong they get off between 8 and 10 PM depending what time they arrived.

Be sure to negotiate everything on the street with the street girls or they will up price you once you get in the hotel room.

And I know about those international divorces. I got married in Mexico and have been working on my Mexican divorce since July of 2009.

[Joe Arturo]

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141571...fuels-violence

This is an interesting article I saw. It's so true but at the same time the US is finally doing the right thing instead of footing the bill. I met some very serious criminals deported from the US in Tijuana, they weren't bad guys they just grew up in bad neighborhoods. What's funny is these guys were good people that killed or attempted to kill people because that's what they were raised to think was necessary, but in Tijuana it doesn't take being in a gang to survive it takes money so they work their asses off for way less then minimum wage. I don't think the problem is as bad as they make it out to be, for the % of guys I met that were deported vs the crime I saw the numbers don't add up. Mexico is their prison.

Wow! If you are hanging with recent deportees that have killed or attempted to kill, then you better watch your back! If they are trying to be your friend and chat with you a lot, they are setting you up! They are trying to earn or steal enough money to pay a coyote to get them back to their gangs. Don't be fooled by their niceness. Please please please be careful! Leopards don't change their spots!

[Artisttyp]

Hi guys, have been out of the hobby for a few years since hooking up with a lady from Toronto full-time (long story) and ending up where you would expect (international divorces are a pain in the ass, let me tell you!). Anyway, am heading to Tijuana after about 5 years off and have been looking on the boards for info, but thought I would ask directly:

1. There are a lot of websites with girls advertised; are these any better than just tooling around Zona Norte and negotiating (I don't have much spanish)

2. In the past, the girls would have a room or would direct you to hotel; is it better just to have a room (e. G, Ticuan) prior to trolling.

3. Is it better to find girls in the clubs (and will they leave with you) , use the websites, or off the street?

Thanks for any help. Will post when I return.

Until then, I remain,

Your obedient servant,

Winston

Winston,

Ill break it down for you.

Bargirls $80.

Street Girls $ 20.

Escorts $150 and above.

Hotels.

$3 $5 $6 in the zona for 20/30 minutes.

$25/35 all day room in the Zona. Ask about extra fees for guests. There shouldn't be. Try Hotel Leyva or Cascadas. These could be your play house for the day or for the week. You choose.

Sometimes you can get a BG to your room at a hotel outside the zona but it may be too much of a hassle than its worth. Pick an option in your price range and focus on that. If you are only here for a few days don't waste your time negotiating for odd requests. Pick a price option research the services you get for it and let it flow. Tijuana is one monger destination where things happen on the fly. If you plan too much you might get really frustrated.

Good Luck

[Locombo]

Hello, Winston. Welcome back.

1. There are a lot of websites with girls advertised; are these any better than just tooling around Zona Norte and negotiating (I don't have much spanish)

The benefit of the escort sites, in my opinion, is simplicity. This is especially true if you don't speak Spanish and if you're looking for something other than "the usual", such as several hours or an overnight. These things can be arranged with most girls from the ZN bars on repeat visits, but that requires more negotiation and planning. If you want an overnight, on your first (recent) visit, and on a weekend, the escort sites would be pretty much the only way to arrange this. Some would say that the escort girls also tend to be "lower mileage"; I would agree with that in general, but there are plenty of exceptions in both directions.

On the other hand, the advantage of hunting in the ZN is variety. There are many girls, including plenty who are better looking than you will find on the escort sites. Their business is normally short-time encounters. For a half-hour encounter, they are, of course, cheaper than girls on the escort sites. For longer engagements, you will need to negotiate and your results will vary dramatically with the day of the week. If you want to spend a night with someone from a ZN bar, you will want to get her phone number and arrange a subsequent night with her. Then she can just not show up the bar that night, hence circumventing the contract with the neighboring hotel.

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2. In the past, the girls would have a room or would direct you to hotel; is it better just to have a room (e. G, Ticuan) prior to trolling.

The girls in the ZN (or at least at Adelita's and Hong Kong, which are the only places I consider worth a visit these days) will direct you to the associated hotel whether you like it or not. They are obliged to do so by their "contract". Again, it is possible to get around this with advanced notice and negotiation or at the end of shifts. (Most guys prefer to do this by arriving in the early evening to get girls coming off of a day shift, but it is also possible to get a girl coming off night shift at 5am!)

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3. Is it better to find girls in the clubs (and will they leave with you) , use the websites, or off the street?

As far as the street versus clubs, your eyes and wallet will answer that question for you quickly. The better looking girls are in the clubs, so if $60 for a short time is not out of your price range then that's most likely where you'll want to be.

The girls on the street are also less regulated. In theory, this should make it easier to arrange a long time with one away from the Zona. In practice, this is usually so unfamiliar to them that they are even more reluctant to stray from their usual hotel than the club girls are. Be aware that the street girls are also subjected to less stringent health and age controls than the club girls; then again, you should probably not be relying on the Mexican government to ensure the safety of your encounter.

On that note, be safe-and have a blast.

[Keg]

1. There are a lot of websites with girls advertised; are these any better than just tooling around Zona Norte and negotiating (I don't have much spanish)

2. In the past, the girls would have a room or would direct you to hotel; is it better just to have a room (e. G, Ticuan) prior to trolling.

3. Is it better to find girls in the clubs (and will they leave with you) , use the websites, or off the street?

Winston,

IMHO you'll find it much nicer seeing a chica in person, as opposed to looking at a website. While you may not speak spanish, many chicas certainly know the english words for money and amounts, trust me. Nothing has changed since your last visit regarding a chica working in a specific club taking you upstairs to a designated hotel, it remains the same convenience (for the chica/club/hotel). You didn't mention how long is your trip, so staying at a hotel like Ticuan may be a good option for your comfort, but not necessarily the best option for the short-time chica experience. If you want to take a chica from a club to your hotel, just ask them, but it's not likely they'll leave a club to go with you if they don't know you (security) , and if they still have several hours remaining on their shift (money). Of course many things are possible in the Zona, you may just find a chica to go back with you, but it's not the standard, you should expect to pay more for your convenience.

Have fun.

Keg